2018 Top 5 team draft classes - Bills come in 2nd in Beanes 1st year drafting 😎

[JerseyBills]

https://www.nfl.com/news/baker-mayfield-first-pick-of-2018-nfl-draft-traded-ranking-the-top-five-classes-

 

Pretty amazing that he basically hit on his first 6 picks. Siran Neal is the only non starter out of the draft picks but he's still valuable in the big nickel and on ST. I consider Phillips as a starter based on his play and contract he got. Very impressive draft. That Taron pick really stands out to me. Also picked up Levi as an Undrafted rookie. 

What a draft! Wish we stuck with Teller but it is what it is.

What a blessing he has been to this franchise 

Edited July 7, 2022 by JerseyBills

[Royale with Cheese]

Yeah but he traded Dareus, Darby and Watkins the year before…curse him!

[JerseyBills]

14 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Yeah but he traded Dareus, Darby and Watkins the year before…curse him!

Lol.

Great moves . He completely gutted the roster , minus Kyle and Wood and built a powerhouse 

Edited July 7, 2022 by JerseyBills

[NewEra]

The difference between Josh and Lamar + the fact that Baltimore completely botched their 1st pick in the draft should earn us the #1 spot imo.  

[Mr. WEO]

Only 4 of them on the roster.  One of them has a million threads debating whether he's worth the money to keep on the roster.. Another is a decent CB3 filling in and another is a ST guy.

 

The other is Josh. 

[Richard Noggin]

I love the reliable ebb and flow of the bulls and bears on this board. Set my serotonin clock to it. 

[Mr. WEO]

2 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said:

I love the reliable ebb and flow of the bulls and bears on this board. Set my serotonin clock to it. 

 

nite nite

[Richard Noggin]

3 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

nite nite

 

Goodnight, moon

[NewEra]

7 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

Only 4 of them on the roster.  One of them has a million threads debating whether he's worth the money to keep on the roster.. Another is a decent CB3 filling in and another is a ST guy.

 

The other is Josh. 

Taron Johnson is one of the best slot corners in the league.  But find the words best to minimize his selection.  He’s a stud for a 4th round pick.  
 

Edmunds is a good Lb and will make a boatload of cash during his career.  He likely won’t live up to his draft position, but he’s not a bust.  
 

Phillips just signed a 3 year 19M contract as a 1T.   Good player who’s career has been stifled by injuries. 
 

Teller is an all pro guard that was drafted with our 2nd selection in rd 5.  Trading him was a major mistake….but he was a tremendous selection.

 

Neal has been a very good ST player and decent depth that has earned a 2nd contract as a 5th round pick.  
 

Mccloud is still in the league and get snaps.

 

oh yeah, and Josh Allen is the best player in the league. 
 

It was a GREAT draft.  

 

 

11 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

This… Edmunds is an above average LB… certainly a legitimate starter but not living up to the pick, Phillips was inconsistent at best, Taron is a good nickel CB, Josh is the ultimate jackpot pick and makes this draft look a lot better than it was.

It’s a great draft.

7 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said:

I love the reliable ebb and flow of the bulls and bears on this board. Set my serotonin clock to it. 

Can’t stop won’t stop

[Mr. WEO]

Just now, NewEra said:

Taron Johnson is one of the best slot corners in the league.  But find the words best to minimize his selection.  He’s a stud for a 4th round pick.  
 

Edmunds is a good Lb and will make a boatload of cash during his career.  He likely won’t live up to his draft position, but he’s not a bust.  
 

Phillips just signed a 3 year 19M contract as a 1T.   Good player who’s career has been stifled by injuries. 
 

Teller is an all pro guard that was drafted with our 2nd selection in rd 5.  Trading him was a major mistake….but he was a tremendous selection.

 

Neal has been a very good ST player and decent depth that has earned a 2nd contract as a 5th round pick.  
 

Mccloud is still in the league and get snaps.

 

oh yeah, and Josh Allen is the best player in the league. 
 

It was a GREAT draft.  

 

 

 

I didn't even hint that Edmunds is a bust.

 

Johnson is a decent slot yes (not top 5 per the same crew that listed Poyer #1 safety).  He gets a lot of passes thrown his way.  Rating 80 vs him.  Other better slots also came in 3rd or 4th round and from small school background.  Good pick.   

 

Neal is a ST player as I said.  Plays 2/3 snaps.

 

The guys Beane got rid of/let go don't count--why would they?  None of them offered a second contract.  Teller can't be both a great addition and a poor choice as a subtraction.  Not for the Bills anyway.  McCloud is a JAG.  

 

If the Bills drafted the "other Josh", no one would be looking back and saying "yeah but they got Edmunds, T Johnson, Neal and a bunch of guys for other teams' rosters."

[Richard Noggin]

9 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

If the Bills drafted the "other Josh", no one would be looking back and saying "yeah but they got Edmunds, T Johnson, Neal and a bunch of guys for other teams' rosters."

 

 

Okay, Mr. Weo. Mr. Weo, okay.

 

 

But hitting on Josh Allen at #7 DOES have us looking back and saying "yeah [and] they got Edmunds, T Johnson, Neal and (you lump together/dismiss the SOLID picks that moved on or were moved to) other teams' rosters." 

[NewEra]

22 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

I didn't even hint that Edmunds is a bust.

 

Johnson is a decent slot yes (not top 5 per the same crew that listed Poyer #1 safety).  He gets a lot of passes thrown his way.  Rating 80 vs him.  Other better slots also came in 3rd or 4th round and from small school background.  Good pick.   

 

Neal is a ST player as I said.  Plays 2/3 snaps.

 

The guys Beane got rid of/let go don't count--why would they?  None of them offered a second contract.  Teller can't be both a great addition and a poor choice as a subtraction.  Not for the Bills anyway.  McCloud is a JAG.  

 

If the Bills drafted the "other Josh", no one would be looking back and saying "yeah but they got Edmunds, T Johnson, Neal and a bunch of guys for other teams' rosters."

I didn’t mean to insinuate that edmunds was a bust, sorry if you read it that way.  You didn’t say anything good about him….. or anyone else.  
 

Taron is better than a decent slot. You’re downplaying his selection.  Not surprised. Do you. 
 

Neal was a 5th round pick and is on his second contract. He was a good pick.  But do you.  
 

The guys count because they were drafted by him.  We’re discussing the draft.  They were part of it. You don’t include it because you must put your magic touch on it.  Again.  Do you.  

 

They didn’t draft the other Josh…..but do you 

[BADOLBILZ]

 

@GunnerBill disagrees........but to me that was the better draft than "McDermott's" also very productive 2017 draft.

 

Had Beane not traded Wyatt Teller  it wouldn't be debatable IMO but some people dock the 2018 draft for that summer 2019 trade..............but the 2018 draft itself was better.

 

 

 

[Doc Brown]

29 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

@GunnerBill disagrees........but to me that was the better draft than "McDermott's" also very productive 2017 draft.

 

Had Beane not traded Wyatt Teller  it wouldn't be debatable IMO but some people dock the 2018 draft for that summer 2019 trade..............but the 2018 draft itself was better.

It's close even if you just look at it on who's on the team now.  The 2017 draft gave us quality starters at three positions with White, Dawkins, and Milano as key pieces despite moving back 17 spots in the first round.  The 2018 draft gave us two quality starters (Allen and T. Johnson) and one TBD in Edmunds.  Neal was a solid pick in the 6th round too.  It's difficult to separate the two but getting the franchise QB gives 2018 the edge.  

[MJS]

3 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

Only 4 of them on the roster.  One of them has a million threads debating whether he's worth the money to keep on the roster.. Another is a decent CB3 filling in and another is a ST guy.

 

The other is Josh. 

 

3 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

This… Edmunds is an above average LB… certainly a legitimate starter but not living up to the pick, Phillips was inconsistent at best, Taron is a good nickel CB, Josh is the ultimate jackpot pick and makes this draft look a lot better than it was.

 

So consistently predictable (but at least you have come around on Josh Allen. It would be pretty brutal if you were still bashing him).

[Kirby Jackson]

4 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

I didn't even hint that Edmunds is a bust.

 

Johnson is a decent slot yes (not top 5 per the same crew that listed Poyer #1 safety).  He gets a lot of passes thrown his way.  Rating 80 vs him.  Other better slots also came in 3rd or 4th round and from small school background.  Good pick.   

 

Neal is a ST player as I said.  Plays 2/3 snaps.

 

The guys Beane got rid of/let go don't count--why would they?  None of them offered a second contract.  Teller can't be both a great addition and a poor choice as a subtraction.  Not for the Bills anyway.  McCloud is a JAG.  

 

If the Bills drafted the "other Josh", no one would be looking back and saying "yeah but they got Edmunds, T Johnson, Neal and a bunch of guys for other teams' rosters."

PFF has Johnson as the 4th best slot corner in the NFL. https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-slot-cornerback-rankings-tiers-2022 There are 32 teams. That’s well beyond “decent.” The 4th best QB in the league is Mahomes, Rodgers, Brady, Allen, Herbert or Burrow depending on who you ask. No one is describing them as “decent.”

 

Siran Neal played 153 defensive snaps (14.2%) and 287 ST snaps (66.1%). That amounts to 26 snaps a game, not 2 or 3. That’s solid for a 5th round pick that just got a second contract.

 

Allen is obviously Allen.

 

McCloud is still kicking around which is good for a 6th. 73% of 6th rounders don’t make it to year 6. He just signed a 2 year deal that will take him through year 6. Obviously, that’s success.

 

Teller is an all-pro but I’m okay with them not getting credit there. That line had holes and the identified other guys to try to plug them. 
 

Phillips signed a nice FA deal and would be considered very good value for where he was selected. 
 

Edmunds is a quality LB but probably no better than an average mid 1st selection. 
 

No need to use hyperbole (like Neal at 2 to 3 snaps a game) to downplay the success of the draft. Obviously Allen is the reason that it is considered great. The Bills players have almost all exceeded to success rate of those picked in similar positions. Part of it was a function of opportunity but more of it was a function of ability.

[machine gun kelly]

5 hours ago, Richard Noggin said:

 

Okay, Mr. Weo. Mr. Weo, okay.

 

 

But hitting on Josh Allen at #7 DOES have us looking back and saying "yeah [and] they got Edmunds, T Johnson, Neal and (you lump together/dismiss the SOLID picks that moved on or were moved to) other teams' rosters." 

But, but in another thread we’re questioning Beane’s decisions (or should I say dissecting every decision in the last four years).

 

The silliness if hyper questioning every little thing a man who was named GM of the year by the people in the know must

minimizes anyones position.

 

Thats my POV, but it’s a total position considering drafting, yes players we drafted on another team doing well, free agent acquisitions, and trades.

 

If Beane is sooo bad, how is it that the Bills are on top of the power rankings and Vegas has them poised to be most likely to win the SB?

 

OP, thanks for sharing the story.  Baltimore seems to draft ether than most teams over the last decade and more.  BTW- they also have a bunch of misses, but it’s looking at a GM in totality.  For an example, Baltimore is also predicted with a big comeback year moving back to what they did well in a steady dose of 13 personnel.

 

Im assuming John Harbaugh has been second guessed by a bunch of Baltimorons on their board even though next to BB he’s one of a select group of winning more than most coaches like Tomlin who’s never had a losing season. That may change this year, but doesn’t mean he’s not an overall winning coach and many here if they were being honest with themselves would swap the Bills record with the Steelers over a 15 year period with two SB rings.

 

You Guy get my rant.  Anyone can dissect one or even a few decisions over a period of time and deduce whatever fits an agenda.  The guys on this board who look at the big picture see the good and bad and don’t focus on one side vs. the other.

 

I know Beane and McD are not perfect,  it they have done more right than wrong and it shows by 4 out of playoff appearances and the wins are increasing in the playoffs the longer that we look at this regimes record.  I expect we will make a deep run this year, but it’s impossible to see the future.  13 seconds or the Cardinals fluke Hail Mary prove those points.

 

Have a wonderful day gentlemen.

[Thurman#1]

8 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

Only 4 of them on the roster.  One of them has a million threads debating whether he's worth the money to keep on the roster.. Another is a decent CB3 filling in and another is a ST guy.

 

The other is Josh. 

 

 

Nonsense.

 

Yeah, there are indeed a ton of threads debating this, but that says more about the judgement of the fans who don't quite get it and the consistent need for people to designate a whipping boy and bellyache about him, sensible or not. And more about the fact that he's been so good that if he goes for his full market value that he'll get an awful lot of money, and that the Bills have several guys on the roster they desperately want to keep who may prove too expensive in total to keep all of.

 

Taron Johnson, "a decent CB3"? Ridiculous. Good grief, he's one of the best slot corners in the league if not the single best.

 

EDIT: I took out the stuff about Neal, as Kirby's math above addressed it far better and more simply that I had. "Plays 2/3 snaps" you say? Good lord! For a 5th, Neal was good value.

 

This was a terrific draft class, terrific.

 

 

Edited July 7, 2022 by Thurman#1

[Thurman#1]

7 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

The guys Beane got rid of/let go don't count--why would they?  None of them offered a second contract.  Teller can't be both a great addition and a poor choice as a subtraction.  Not for the Bills anyway.  McCloud is a JAG.  

 

 

 

Why would they? Um, no, wrong question. Actually, it's the opposite of the right question, which is why wouldn't they consider a draftee when you're evaluating a draft class? Duh. That's the whole point. Evaluating a draft class is precisely evaluating who was drafted.

 

As mentioned by other above, that trading Teller was a bad move is very arguable. But that's an entirely different event than drafting him. Which showed excellent judgment.

 

 

Edited July 7, 2022 by Thurman#1

[Mr. WEO]

5 hours ago, MJS said:

 

 

So consistently predictable (but at least you have come around on Josh Allen. It would be pretty brutal if you were still bashing him).

 

I've been a supporter of JA for years now. Wake up!

 

3 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

PFF has Johnson as the 4th best slot corner in the NFL. https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-slot-cornerback-rankings-tiers-2022 There are 32 teams. That’s well beyond “decent.” The 4th best QB in the league is Mahomes, Rodgers, Brady, Allen, Herbert or Burrow depending on who you ask. No one is describing them as “decent.”

 

Siran Neal played 153 defensive snaps (14.2%) and 287 ST snaps (66.1%). That amounts to 26 snaps a game, not 2 or 3. That’s solid for a 5th round pick that just got a second contract.

 

Allen is obviously Allen.

 

McCloud is still kicking around which is good for a 6th. 73% of 6th rounders don’t make it to year 6. He just signed a 2 year deal that will take him through year 6. Obviously, that’s success.

 

Teller is an all-pro but I’m okay with them not getting credit there. That line had holes and the identified other guys to try to plug them. 
 

Phillips signed a nice FA deal and would be considered very good value for where he was selected. 
 

Edmunds is a quality LB but probably no better than an average mid 1st selection. 
 

No need to use hyperbole (like Neal at 2 to 3 snaps a game) to downplay the success of the draft. Obviously Allen is the reason that it is considered great. The Bills players have almost all exceeded to success rate of those picked in similar positions. Part of it was a function of opportunity but more of it was a function of ability.

 

I just don't see how a FO can get credit for scouting a draft pick correctly then letting him go (to star somewhere else) before his second contract. 

 

"2/3 snaps" is a fraction: it means "two thirds".  As you confirmed, he played 66% of ST snaps, or "2/3" or "two thirds".

 

 

 

55 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Nonsense.

 

Yeah, there are indeed a ton of threads debating this, but that says more about the judgement of the fans who don't quite get it and the consistent need for people to designate a whipping boy and bellyache about him, sensible or not. And more about the fact that he's been so good that if he goes for his full market value that he'll get an awful lot of money, and that the Bills have several guys on the roster they desperately want to keep who may prove too expensive in total to keep all of.

 

Taron Johnson, "a decent CB3"? Ridiculous. Good grief, he's one of the best slot corners in the league if not the single best.

 

EDIT: I took out the stuff about Neal, as Kirby's math above addressed it far better and more simply that I had. "Plays 2/3 snaps" you say? Good lord! For a 5th, Neal was good value.

 

This was a terrific draft class, terrific.

 

 

 

That escalated quickly!  The best? 

[ProcessAccepted]

10 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

Only 4 of them on the roster.  One of them has a million threads debating whether he's worth the money to keep on the roster.. Another is a decent CB3 filling in and another is a ST guy.

 

The other is Josh. 

I agree there should be a stat on how many threads a player has about him. It doesn't matter if its the same people rehashing the same the same arguments every single time. Oh and lets just forget that these are the same people that were so angry we picked the wrong Josh.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

Allen makes it an all-time draft. If the Jets had taken Allen and Buffalo took Rosen or Darnold, Beane and McD would likely be out of jobs.  We will never know how Beane ranked all the QBs.  But give credit for Beane going up to get Allen after the Jets passed on him and criticize him for giving up picks to go up and get Edmunds.

Taron is a great player. Far far better than many on this board give him credit.

Edmunds is (fill in the blank)

Phillips probably is an unknown.  He had maybe 6 quality games in Buffalo.  Had he been healthy who knows. 

I don't care much about special teams players, but to get a guy that plays 20+ plays a game late in the draft is a good pick.  Many teams play multiple safety looks and Neal is decent in that role.  

[mannc]

13 hours ago, JerseyBills said:

https://www.nfl.com/news/baker-mayfield-first-pick-of-2018-nfl-draft-traded-ranking-the-top-five-classes-

 

Pretty amazing that he basically hit on his first 6 picks. Siran Neal is the only non starter out of the draft picks but he's still valuable in the big nickel and on ST. I consider Phillips as a starter based on his play and contract he got. Very impressive draft. That Taron pick really stands out to me. 

What a draft! Wish we stuck with Teller but it is what it is.

What a blessing he has been to this franchise 

Any ranking of the 2018 NFL draft that doesn’t put the Bills in the top slot is the product of a moron. 

[Paup 1995MVP]

13 hours ago, NewEra said:

Taron Johnson is one of the best slot corners in the league.  But find the words best to minimize his selection.  He’s a stud for a 4th round pick.  
 

Edmunds is a good Lb and will make a boatload of cash during his career.  He likely won’t live up to his draft position, but he’s not a bust.  
 

Phillips just signed a 3 year 19M contract as a 1T.   Good player who’s career has been stifled by injuries. 
 

Teller is an all pro guard that was drafted with our 2nd selection in rd 5.  Trading him was a major mistake….but he was a tremendous selection.

 

Neal has been a very good ST player and decent depth that has earned a 2nd contract as a 5th round pick.  
 

Mccloud is still in the league and get snaps.

 

oh yeah, and Josh Allen is the best player in the league. 
 

It was a GREAT draft.  

 

 

It’s a great draft.

Can’t stop won’t stop

Its a great draft because we got Josh Allen, who will hopefully go down as one of the best QB's to ever play the game.  At least one of the most exciting.  Taron Johnson is an excellent football player.  Not a big guy.  But gets the most out of his game week in and week out.  Edmunds has not been a bust, but has a low ceiling.  And will never be a star in the NFL.  Just doesn't have the instincts that very good to great players have.  And was overdrafted.  Phillips can be a force in the middle if he stays healthy.  Teller is a brawler and a beast.  I remember watching him in person at Va Tech when my son went on a recruiting visit there.  Guy is a force.  But GM's aren't perfect.  I think Bates can be pretty dam good going forward.  Time will tell on that.  Neal is a solid player.  Not overly athletic.  But a solid contributor with an occasional big play.  

[eball]

11 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

Only 4 of them on the roster.  One of them has a million threads debating whether he's worth the money to keep on the roster.. Another is a decent CB3 filling in and another is a ST guy.

 

The other is Josh. 

 

I think you grade a draft based upon whether the players are still in the league and in what capacity, not necessarily whether they are still on the same team.  Phillips earned starter's money for his 2nd contract so he counts as a "hit" for Beane.  JMO

 

[Alphadawg7]

15 hours ago, JerseyBills said:

https://www.nfl.com/news/baker-mayfield-first-pick-of-2018-nfl-draft-traded-ranking-the-top-five-classes-

 

Pretty amazing that he basically hit on his first 6 picks. Siran Neal is the only non starter out of the draft picks but he's still valuable in the big nickel and on ST. I consider Phillips as a starter based on his play and contract he got. Very impressive draft. That Taron pick really stands out to me. 

What a draft! Wish we stuck with Teller but it is what it is.

What a blessing he has been to this franchise 

 

I would argue he also hit technically on the Ray Ray pick given at where he was drafted, you really are often looking for ST contributions at that point in the draft and he is a starting ST player still in the league for the Steelers.  

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, eball said:

 

I think you grade a draft based upon whether the players are still in the league and in what capacity, not necessarily whether they are still on the same team.  Phillips earned starter's money for his 2nd contract so he counts as a "hit" for Beane.  JMO

 

 

 

My thinking is that if the FO is tossing away it's draft picks before their rookie contract is up, they didn't feel they were picks good enough to keep.  Articles quoting GMs seem to have a consensus that getting 3 starters out of the 7 allotted picks (before trades) is a "good draft".  2018 is a "good draft". 

 

Drafting other teams' starters to me doesn't make one a greater draft.  If you have no use on the roster for rookie contract picks, then for your team, they were misses.  Unless you trade them for a better player, that weren't of significant or lasting value.

 

Taken to its extreme, if 6 of a teams picks end up starters on other teams before signing a second contract with the Bills is that a "great draft?  What if they are all All Pros?  If the 7th pick is Josh Allen than, yeah, maybe, lol. Otherwise  of course not

[eball]

4 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

My thinking is that if the FO is tossing away it's draft picks before their rookie contract is up, they didn't feel they were picks good enough to keep.  Articles quoting GMs seem to have a consensus that getting 3 starters out of the 7 allotted picks (before trades) is a "good draft".  2018 is a "good draft". 

 

Drafting other teams' starters to me doesn't make one a greater draft.  If you have no use on the roster for rookie contract picks, then for your team, they were misses.  Unless you trade them for a better player, that weren't of significant or lasting value.

 

Taken to its extreme, if 6 of a teams picks end up starters on other teams before signing a second contract with the Bills is that a "great draft?  What if they are all All Pros?  If the 7th pick is Josh Allen than, yeah, maybe, lol. Otherwise  of course not

 

Beane didn't "toss away" Phillips...he played out his contract and got a starter's deal in free agency from another team.  It happens.  it was still a good draft pick and the Bills got "full" value out of the rookie deal.

 

Once a guy hits free agency anything can happen.  If the player is earning starter's money on a 2nd team I still think the original draft pick was "good" unless you're talking about a 1st or 2nd rounder who is a marginal starter.

 

Evaluating a "good" draft is assessing the GM's ability to select players who have proven they belong in the NFL in some significant capacity.

 

Again, just my opinion.

 

[Mr. WEO]

13 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

It's close even if you just look at it on who's on the team now.  The 2017 draft gave us quality starters at three positions with White, Dawkins, and Milano as key pieces despite moving back 17 spots in the first round.  The 2018 draft gave us two quality starters (Allen and T. Johnson) and one TBD in Edmunds.  Neal was a solid pick in the 6th round too.  It's difficult to separate the two but getting the franchise QB gives 2018 the edge.  

 

 

You forgot Zay Jones.  

[mannc]

17 hours ago, NewEra said:

Taron Johnson is one of the best slot corners in the league.  But find the words best to minimize his selection.  He’s a stud for a 4th round pick.  
 

Edmunds is a good Lb and will make a boatload of cash during his career.  He likely won’t live up to his draft position, but he’s not a bust.  
 

Phillips just signed a 3 year 19M contract as a 1T.   Good player who’s career has been stifled by injuries. 
 

Teller is an all pro guard that was drafted with our 2nd selection in rd 5.  Trading him was a major mistake….but he was a tremendous selection.

 

Neal has been a very good ST player and decent depth that has earned a 2nd contract as a 5th round pick.  
 

Mccloud is still in the league and get snaps.

 

oh yeah, and Josh Allen is the best player in the league. 
 

It was a GREAT draft.  

 

 

It’s a great draft.

Can’t stop won’t stop

If Josh Allen were the team's only selection in the 2018 draft, it would probably still go down as the best draft in Bills history.  Everything else is gravy.

[JerseyBills]

3 hours ago, Paup 1995MVP said:

Its a great draft because we got Josh Allen, who will hopefully go down as one of the best QB's to ever play the game.  At least one of the most exciting.  Taron Johnson is an excellent football player.  Not a big guy.  But gets the most out of his game week in and week out.  Edmunds has not been a bust, but has a low ceiling.  And will never be a star in the NFL.  Just doesn't have the instincts that very good to great players have.  And was overdrafted.  Phillips can be a force in the middle if he stays healthy.  Teller is a brawler and a beast.  I remember watching him in person at Va Tech when my son went on a recruiting visit there.  Guy is a force.  But GM's aren't perfect.  I think Bates can be pretty dam good going forward.  Time will tell on that.  Neal is a solid player.  Not overly athletic.  But a solid contributor with an occasional big play.  

Edmunds has been discussed so much , the one thing I noticed is he's consistently praised by teammates , other teams fanbases and majority of NFL media. 

 

A quick, recent example is Chad Reuter of nfl.com doing a 7 rd 'win now' mock draft of current NFL players for just the year 2022. Edmunds comes in at no 167 , drafted in the 6th rd. And a top 5 MLB.

 

 

 

https://www.nfl.com/news/seven-round-win-now-nfl-mock-draft-for-2022-season-every-teams-picks

[machine gun kelly]

4 hours ago, eball said:

 

Beane didn't "toss away" Phillips...he played out his contract and got a starter's deal in free agency from another team.  It happens.  it was still a good draft pick and the Bills got "full" value out of the rookie deal.

 

Once a guy hits free agency anything can happen.  If the player is earning starter's money on a 2nd team I still think the original draft pick was "good" unless you're talking about a 1st or 2nd rounder who is a marginal starter.

 

Evaluating a "good" draft is assessing the GM's ability to select players who have proven they belong in the NFL in some significant capacity.

 

Again, just my opinion.

 

Are we talking about Jordan Phillips as we didn’t draft him, but we placed a value on him and he received more from AZ, just like we needed him from Miami and we outbid Miami.  If another Phillips, it escapes me.

 

The point Eball is making on we place a value on these guys, let them prove themselves in their rookie contract, we place a value on a guy and if outbid, it’s why GM’s make $, because they have to make hard decisions.

 

Wyatt Teller is a good example of a miss, I’m sure Beane would’ve liked a do over, but hindsight is 20/20.

 

We’ve also had it right more than enough times.  During the last cycle, we’ve extended Hyde, Poyer (1st and 2nd team All pros after their last extensions, Tre, and on and on.  Again it’s a judgment call and armchair AB’s always think they are the smartest guys in the room when they don’t have the consequences on the line.

[US Egg]

Ten years from now Josh Allen will be talked about as the greatest player in his draft.

[Don Otreply]

21 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

I didn't even hint that Edmunds is a bust.

 

Johnson is a decent slot yes (not top 5 per the same crew that listed Poyer #1 safety).  He gets a lot of passes thrown his way.  Rating 80 vs him.  Other better slots also came in 3rd or 4th round and from small school background.  Good pick.   

 

Neal is a ST player as I said.  Plays 2/3 snaps.

 

The guys Beane got rid of/let go don't count--why would they?  None of them offered a second contract.  Teller can't be both a great addition and a poor choice as a subtraction.  Not for the Bills anyway.  McCloud is a JAG.  

 

If the Bills drafted the "other Josh", no one would be looking back and saying "yeah but they got Edmunds, T Johnson, Neal and a bunch of guys for other teams' rosters."

You always hint that Edmunds is a bust, 😂, You, Bado and Scottlaw, its become a running joke at this point,  nuthin but luv Weo, but it is what it is, 😁👍

 

Go Bills!!!

[Putin]

21 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

Only 4 of them on the roster.  One of them has a million threads debating whether he's worth the money to keep on the roster.. Another is a decent CB3 filling in and another is a ST guy.

 

The other is Josh. 

Complete bust !! 

[Kirby Jackson]

12 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

I've been a supporter of JA for years now. Wake up!

 

 

I just don't see how a FO can get credit for scouting a draft pick correctly then letting him go (to star somewhere else) before his second contract. 

 

"2/3 snaps" is a fraction: it means "two thirds".  As you confirmed, he played 66% of ST snaps, or "2/3" or "two thirds".

 

 

 

 

That escalated quickly!  The best? 

Lol, my bad on the 2/3 🤦🏻‍♂️. 
 

In terms of the 1st point, Phillips they get credit for. They developed a 3rd rounder that was in demand and got a substantial 2nd deal. I’d even say the same with McCloud to a lesser degree. They had to make tough roster decisions because they have had a ton of talent for the last handful of years. However, they DID identify players that have outperformed their draft slots. They just can’t keep them all. I’m a little less forgiving on Teller. They didn’t see just how good he was. They thought of him as a decent option on the OL. He was a star. 

1 hour ago, I am the egg man said:

Ten years from now Josh Allen will be talked about as the greatest player in his draft.

He isn’t now?

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, I am the egg man said:

Ten years from now Josh Allen will be talked about as the greatest player in his draft.

I think that’s already the consensus

[Dopey]

I've looked at the 5 drafts presented in the article by the OP and other than Indy, it's not even close as to which draft is the best. Josh definitely tips the scale, but you can't say the draft would suck if not for Josh. It doesn't work that way. He's part of that draft class. As to not having Teller on the team still? IMO, that's not what the article was about. It was about the draft itself.

The author's premise was that our draft class was the best. He's not wrong. Unless you want to move the goal post.

 

[Doc Brown]

7 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

You forgot Zay Jones.  

The world needs ditch diggers too.

[Mr. WEO]

11 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

The world needs ditch diggers too.

 

He had quality starts on another team to which he was traded 2 years into his rookie contract....Am I doing this right?

13 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

You always hint that Edmunds is a bust, 😂, You, Bado and Scottlaw, its become a running joke at this point,  nuthin but luv Weo, but it is what it is, 😁👍

 

Go Bills!!!

 

link?

 

Yeah, it's me who every seasons starts multiple threads about "is Edmunds worth keeping".  

 

nice try!