Sunday Ticket Negotiations

[nucci]

1 hour ago, Mike in Horseheads said:

Do they have right to match any bids?

Haven't read that but doubtful they would....will be too expensive for them

[Mike in Horseheads]

36 minutes ago, nucci said:

Haven't read that but doubtful they would....will be too expensive for them

Thanks. I guess they have to look at how many people have it and figure what the cost of losing at least 50% (my estimate) vs paying more. I doubt I will leave as long as I can keep my 60$ a month credit. I seem to live in the perfect spot for sports. I get The Sabres, Indians, Cavs, Yanks, Nets, Mets, Knicks , Rangers, Islanders and Devils as my local sports. I refuse to go back to Spectrum and my ISP is Empire Access and their sports are limited.

... If it goes to Amazon I wonder if the $300 will be in play if your a prime member.

[nucci]

55 minutes ago, Mike in Horseheads said:

Thanks. I guess they have to look at how many people have it and figure what the cost of losing at least 50% (my estimate) vs paying more. I doubt I will leave as long as I can keep my 60$ a month credit. I seem to live in the perfect spot for sports. I get The Sabres, Indians, Cavs, Yanks, Nets, Mets, Knicks , Rangers, Islanders and Devils as my local sports. I refuse to go back to Spectrum and my ISP is Empire Access and their sports are limited.

... If it goes to Amazon I wonder if the $300 will be in play if your a prime member.

I'm looking at Hulu + live TV...it includes Disney+ which I watch a lot and ESPN+ which will get all Sabre games

[BobbyC81]

On 6/24/2022 at 3:57 PM, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

Can see why DTV would want to continue to broadcast just so they don't lose the rest of their subscribers.  If Roger called me up and asked me my preference for which one to go with I'd go with Amazon, Disney, Apple.  I am around this evening if he wants to call.

 

If the NFL package is anything like MLB, the price difference between the full package and one team hardly makes it worthwhile

 

Thought it was kind of funny talking about buffering with streaming as to why many would want to stick with DTV.  Try watching DTV during a bad thunderstorm!

Here’s my issue with streaming.  One of my favorite inventions was the DVR.  Record and Watch a game whenever you want and not miss a thing.  Start watching a game maybe a half hour after it started and you can fast forward thru the damn commercials.  
 

This past NBA season, I subscribed to NBA League Pass to watch my Golden State Warriors games.  It went thru the TV and  the NBA App.   When I watched the game, even though there were Pause, Rewind and Fast Forward functions, they ended up being for only 15 seconds.  I paused the game and left the room for a couple minutes expecting to be able to continue from where I was paused but the broadcast had continued.  When I tried to rewind, I found out about the 15 sec limit.

 

You couldn’t watch the game from the start if in progress.

 

 I’m on the West Coast so I thought a work around for East Coast games was to start watching after the game ended, when you can fast forward, etc.  Well, I clicked on the icon for the game and it went to another screen where plastered in large font across the top of the screen was something like “Warriors Win Led by 30 Points From Curry.

 

If this is how NFL ST and Amazon’s streaming of Thursday games is going to work, they’re taking a step back in technology and I’ll be pissed.

[Buffalo Boy]

3 hours ago, BobbyC81 said:

Here’s my issue with streaming.  One of my favorite inventions was the DVR.  Record and Watch a game whenever you want and not miss a thing.  Start watching a game maybe a half hour after it started and you can fast forward thru the damn commercials.  
 

This past NBA season, I subscribed to NBA League Pass to watch my Golden State Warriors games.  It went thru the TV and  the NBA App.   When I watched the game, even though there were Pause, Rewind and Fast Forward functions, they ended up being for only 15 seconds.  I paused the game and left the room for a couple minutes expecting to be able to continue from where I was paused but the broadcast had continued.  When I tried to rewind, I found out about the 15 sec limit.

 

You couldn’t watch the game from the start if in progress.

 

 I’m on the West Coast so I thought a work around for East Coast games was to start watching after the game ended, when you can fast forward, etc.  Well, I clicked on the icon for the game and it went to another screen where plastered in large font across the top of the screen was something like “Warriors Win Led by 30 Points From Curry.

 

If this is how NFL ST and Amazon’s streaming of Thursday games is going to work, they’re taking a step back in technology and I’ll be pissed.

    Skipping commercials is the BOMB!!!! I hope you are not correct about this.

    The article talks about DTV still being an outlet regardless of who gets the rights. We shall see.

[Matt_In_NH]

17 hours ago, Mike in Horseheads said:

Do they have right to match any bids?

So you want to know if they put the transition tag on the Sunday ticket?

[eball]

3 hours ago, BobbyC81 said:

Here’s my issue with streaming.  One of my favorite inventions was the DVR.  Record and Watch a game whenever you want and not miss a thing.  Start watching a game maybe a half hour after it started and you can fast forward thru the damn commercials.  
 

This past NBA season, I subscribed to NBA League Pass to watch my Golden State Warriors games.  It went thru the TV and  the NBA App.   When I watched the game, even though there were Pause, Rewind and Fast Forward functions, they ended up being for only 15 seconds.  I paused the game and left the room for a couple minutes expecting to be able to continue from where I was paused but the broadcast had continued.  When I tried to rewind, I found out about the 15 sec limit.

 

You couldn’t watch the game from the start if in progress.

 

 I’m on the West Coast so I thought a work around for East Coast games was to start watching after the game ended, when you can fast forward, etc.  Well, I clicked on the icon for the game and it went to another screen where plastered in large font across the top of the screen was something like “Warriors Win Led by 30 Points From Curry.

 

If this is how NFL ST and Amazon’s streaming of Thursday games is going to work, they’re taking a step back in technology and I’ll be pissed.

 

YouTubeTV has an unlimited storage virtual DVR, and if you have marked a sporting event for recording but then want to start watching in the middle you get a prompt to “view live” or “start from beginning.”  I think there’s also a setting to hide scores.

 

[nucci]

31 minutes ago, Buffalo Boy said:

    Skipping commercials is the BOMB!!!! I hope you are not correct about this.

    The article talks about DTV still being an outlet regardless of who gets the rights. We shall see.

I think they mean for bars and restaurants. 

[Ned Flanders]

2 hours ago, nucci said:

I think they mean for bars and restaurants. 

Saw an article last week that said that DTV may be an "outlet" for ST for who wins the contract, i.e. Apple, with the proceeds funneled to the rights holder.  Would apply to homes, bars, restaurants.

 

But who the hell really knows at this point, it's pure speculation.  One sad irony is that I think the days of calling for a discount will be over.  Try calling Apple or Amazon or ESPN to get a "discount" starting next season.  And with the $300-400 price point, aimed at discouraging middle-class fans and keeping the local networks happy, I hope we can pay on a per-game basis...but again, who knows right now.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

7 hours ago, BobbyC81 said:

Here’s my issue with streaming.  One of my favorite inventions was the DVR.  Record and Watch a game whenever you want and not miss a thing.  Start watching a game maybe a half hour after it started and you can fast forward thru the damn commercials.  
 

This past NBA season, I subscribed to NBA League Pass to watch my Golden State Warriors games.  It went thru the TV and  the NBA App.   When I watched the game, even though there were Pause, Rewind and Fast Forward functions, they ended up being for only 15 seconds.  I paused the game and left the room for a couple minutes expecting to be able to continue from where I was paused but the broadcast had continued.  When I tried to rewind, I found out about the 15 sec limit.

 

You couldn’t watch the game from the start if in progress.

 

 I’m on the West Coast so I thought a work around for East Coast games was to start watching after the game ended, when you can fast forward, etc.  Well, I clicked on the icon for the game and it went to another screen where plastered in large font across the top of the screen was something like “Warriors Win Led by 30 Points From Curry.

 

If this is how NFL ST and Amazon’s streaming of Thursday games is going to work, they’re taking a step back in technology and I’ll be pissed.

 

Agree with you about streaming in general.  I also prefer the DVR.  I have two houses, one with an antenna and a TIVO for local channels.  2nd house mainly use You-Tube TV and have same limitations about watching something 10 minutes after it starts.  It does have full rewind, pause functions though, but not as easy to use as TIVO.

 

For football don't think I'd care much as with sports in general, if I don't watch live, I tend to not watch as usually know the outcome.  But in general welcome the ability to subscribe to ST without spending another $1200 a year or more for DTV.

[TSNBDSC]

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/24/disney-apple-and-amazon-keep-waiting-as-nfl-considers-sunday-ticket-offers.html  DirecTV would also consider acting as a residential pass-through. Under such an agreement, it could transfer all revenue for Sunday Ticket to the rights owner but still offer it to customers. This would allow DirecTV to mitigate churn while reducing switching costs for consumers. It would also backstop any potential streaming latency or reliability issues that may come with broadcasting live football over broadband.

[agilen]

14 hours ago, BobbyC81 said:

Here’s my issue with streaming.  One of my favorite inventions was the DVR.  Record and Watch a game whenever you want and not miss a thing.  Start watching a game maybe a half hour after it started and you can fast forward thru the damn commercials.  
 

This past NBA season, I subscribed to NBA League Pass to watch my Golden State Warriors games.  It went thru the TV and  the NBA App.   When I watched the game, even though there were Pause, Rewind and Fast Forward functions, they ended up being for only 15 seconds.  I paused the game and left the room for a couple minutes expecting to be able to continue from where I was paused but the broadcast had continued.  When I tried to rewind, I found out about the 15 sec limit.

 

You couldn’t watch the game from the start if in progress.

 

 I’m on the West Coast so I thought a work around for East Coast games was to start watching after the game ended, when you can fast forward, etc.  Well, I clicked on the icon for the game and it went to another screen where plastered in large font across the top of the screen was something like “Warriors Win Led by 30 Points From Curry.

 

If this is how NFL ST and Amazon’s streaming of Thursday games is going to work, they’re taking a step back in technology and I’ll be pissed.

 

Thursday Night games will have start-over (ie start from beginning, FF/RW) this year. This isn't really a technology problem with streaming; rights are generally either sold with or without start-over. Hopefully Sunday Ticket comes with those rights as well.

[Mr Info]

1 hour ago, TSNBDSC said:

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/24/disney-apple-and-amazon-keep-waiting-as-nfl-considers-sunday-ticket-offers.html  DirecTV would also consider acting as a residential pass-through. Under such an agreement, it could transfer all revenue for Sunday Ticket to the rights owner but still offer it to customers. This would allow DirecTV to mitigate churn while reducing switching costs for consumers. It would also backstop any potential streaming latency or reliability issues that may come with broadcasting live football over broadband.

Thx for posting this. This is outstanding if DTV can pull it off! Sure, I can stream but Sunday Ticket on DTV always works easily & reliably. Occasionally, but only rarely, I DVR the game like others have mentioned and start watching 30-45 mins after the game has started. Have to remember to temporarily turn off messaging on my phone, too. We primarily use Apple TV and just keep whatever is necessary on DTV to get Sunday Ticket.

Edited June 27, 2022 by Mr Info

[chongli]

On 6/25/2022 at 2:47 AM, SoMAn said:

I’ve had DIRECTV for 24 years. Weather-related outages are infrequent. 

 

In my year with them in Pennsylvania in 2005 or so I had numerous outages, included almost the entire game 7 of the NBA Eastern Conference Finals between NY and Miami. I was sitting down ready to enjoy my evening, super excited for the game, and then it happened. It came back on in the final minute when the game was already over. That was the last straw for me, especially when they refused to re-air it in our area. This was for a game 7. Imagine if it was for the SB. And they tell me I'm out of luck? I've had very few outages with cable TV.

Edited June 28, 2022 by chongli

[SoMAn]

11 hours ago, chongli said:

 

In my year with them in Pennsylvania in 2005 or so I had numerous outages, included almost the entire game 7 of the NBA Eastern Conference Finals between NY and Miami. I was sitting down ready to enjoy my evening, super excited for the game, and then it happened. It came back on in the final minute when the game was already over. That was the last straw for me, especially when they refused to re-air it in our area. This was for a game 7. Imagine if it was for the SB. And they tell me I'm out of luck? I've had very few outages with cable TV.

Do you know why you've experienced outages? Most problems can be resolved. I realize you've gone back to cable, but for others:

Start with having maximum signal strength. Have you called DTV about the outages?  Has your dish been 'peaked' recently? It may be as simple as getting a technician to re-point the dish to receive max signal.

Do you have trees or other obstructions blocking the site line? If so, move the dish or the trees. Also, depending on the thickness of the foliage, you may get an ok signal in winter when trees are bare, but find the signal compromised in summer and more susceptible to weather-related outages when you're just barely locked in.

If you're in an area that experiences frequent, slow moving violent storms, satellite TV may not be your best option. I haven't had an issue with it.

[zow2]

I've had DTV for 22 years.  I last got it free in 2020. In 2021 they wouldn't give in to my wishes but they did give me a bunch of large credits..  I'm hoping this year i can get ST for free but i don't usually make the call until later July.  I have no major complaints against DTV but if they did not provide ST i would have cancelled a while ago and used FIOS.

 

 

[chongli]

On 6/28/2022 at 8:31 AM, SoMAn said:

Do you know why you've experienced outages? Most problems can be resolved. I realize you've gone back to cable, but for others:

Start with having maximum signal strength. Have you called DTV about the outages?  Has your dish been 'peaked' recently? It may be as simple as getting a technician to re-point the dish to receive max signal.

Do you have trees or other obstructions blocking the site line? If so, move the dish or the trees. Also, depending on the thickness of the foliage, you may get an ok signal in winter when trees are bare, but find the signal compromised in summer and more susceptible to weather-related outages when you're just barely locked in.

If you're in an area that experiences frequent, slow moving violent storms, satellite TV may not be your best option. I haven't had an issue with it.

 

Hey SoMAn, thanks for all the good advice! When I had DTV, that was years ago when I live in Pennsylvania, by Philadelphia. We had our share of rain and windstorms. The outage I referred to was during a storm. It's good that you live in a good area for satellite. I've long since moved (multiple times) and don't even have cable TV anymore. It's all computer now. But your post was much appreciated.

[eball]

According to PFT, Goodell has confirmed Sunday Ticket is headed to a streaming service in 2023.  A decision on which one will come this fall.

 

[Ned Flanders]

44 minutes ago, eball said:

According to PFT, Goodell has confirmed Sunday Ticket is headed to a streaming service in 2023.  A decision on which one will come this fall.

 

Yup, as predicted, but how they fix the lag...sometimes more than 10 seconds...is going to be key.

[eball]

4 minutes ago, Ned Flanders said:

Yup, as predicted, but how they fix the lag...sometimes more than 10 seconds...is going to be key.

 

Why?  NHL games are on ESPN+ streaming...other professional leagues are on streaming services...

[Wayne Cubed]

I have been stream only since late 2015. I would never go back to a cable or dish service, I just don't see the beneift at all. A few thoughts/comments on going full streaming:

 

- Live sports are on a delay. It ranges anywhere from 15-30 seconds If you follow on social channels like Twitter as well, you can tell. So live isn't really live.

- You have to put your money into a good Internet Service Provider and ideally you need Fibre. I get speeds of up to 2gb but then if your house is fully connected that speed is split between all your devices.

- A lot of these streaming services, besides maybe Netflix, are still learning how to make a good app that provides video content. Lots of the controls can be clunky.

1 minute ago, eball said:

 

Why?  NHL games are on ESPN+ streaming...other professional leagues are on streaming services...

 

As I posted above, if you like to follow along on twitter, while you are watching these games... you can tell there's a delay/lag. If you can stay off social media, it's not really an issue.

[eball]

2 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said:

I have been stream only since late 2015. I would never go back to a cable or dish service, I just don't see the beneift at all. A few thoughts/comments on going full streaming:

 

- Live sports are on a delay. It ranges anywhere from 15-30 seconds If you follow on social channels like Twitter as well, you can tell. So live isn't really live.

- You have to put your money into a good Internet Service Provider and ideally you need Fibre. I get speeds of up to 2gb but then if your house is fully connected that speed is split between all your devices.

- A lot of these streaming services, besides maybe Netflix, are still learning how to make a good app that provides video content. Lots of the controls can be clunky.

 

As I posted above, if you like to follow along on twitter, while you are watching these games... you can tell there's a delay/lag. If you can stay off social media, it's not really an issue.

 

Gotcha, but I've been watching the NFL on the Sunday Ticket App (which is streaming) for several years now.  it hasn't been a problem.

 

[Ned Flanders]

7 minutes ago, eball said:

 

Why?  NHL games are on ESPN+ streaming...other professional leagues are on streaming services...

I get that, but there's considerable lag time between streamed live sports and sports being broadcast by satellite, cable or over-the-air.

[eball]

26 minutes ago, Ned Flanders said:

I get that, but there's considerable lag time between streamed live sports and sports being broadcast by satellite, cable or over-the-air.

 

See my post above.  The NFL Sunday Ticket App has been streaming live games for years.

[The Dean]

On 6/24/2022 at 11:54 PM, T&C said:

I had DTV for 17 years and dumped it like 8 years ago. Haven't missed a Bills game since except for one but it was a preseason game and I absolutely had to be at work. 

 

It's out there for free and reliable, and legal. 

 

 

100% NOT legal.  You almost certainly won't be caught/charged/prosecuted,  but that doesn't make it legal.

[T&C]

9 minutes ago, The Dean said:

 

 

100% NOT legal.  You almost certainly won't be caught/charged/prosecuted,  but that doesn't make it legal.

https://www.techtimes.com/articles/271617/20220209/superbox-s3-is-the-best-iptv-box-to-stream-movies-tv-shows-and-more.htm

[The Dean]

1 hour ago, T&C said:

https://www.techtimes.com/articles/271617/20220209/superbox-s3-is-the-best-iptv-box-to-stream-movies-tv-shows-and-more.htm

 

DirecTV has the EXCLUSIVE rights to streaming the NFL on Sunday afternoon, in the USA.  Period.  Where in that article do you see that watching NFL game on that platform is legal in the USA?  I didn't see it.

In fact, since you pay for that service (and they don't pay any rights to the NFL or the networks who also have rights to the game) it's VERY illegal. 

[T&C]

4 minutes ago, The Dean said:

 

DirecTV has the EXCLUSIVE rights to streaming the NFL on Sunday afternoon, in the USA.  Period.  Where in that article do you see that watching NFL game on that platform is legal in the USA?  I didn't see it.

In fact, since you pay for that service (and they don't pay any rights to the NFL or the networks who also have rights to the game) it's VERY illegal. 

It allows you to watch local television in different markets... so, if the game is on WGR for example, you tune in to WGR... not directv.

[WhoTom]

1 hour ago, The Dean said:

100% NOT legal.  You almost certainly won't be caught/charged/prosecuted,  but that doesn't make it legal.

 

Correct.

 

 

1 hour ago, T&C said:

https://www.techtimes.com/articles/271617/20220209/superbox-s3-is-the-best-iptv-box-to-stream-movies-tv-shows-and-more.htm

 

https://www.makeuseof.com/is-iptv-legal/

Quote

If you're wondering whether IPTV is legal or not, the short answer is yes. However, the long answer is that it can be quite complex. IPTV itself is legal, but not all IPTV services are.

 

For example, legal IPTV services like Hulu, YouTube, and Sling abide by the correct copyright laws. With this, if a service provider doesn't hold the correct licenses for the content it provides, then it is considered illegal.

 

Since Sunday Ticket is exclusive to DTV, nobody else holds the correct licenses to provide it. Therefore it is illegal.

 

 

[The Dean]

Just now, T&C said:

It allows you to watch local television in different markets... so, if the game is on WGR for example, you tune in to WGR... not directv.

 

You are streaming the game, outside of the home market. That's illegal. No way around that. You can pretend it is legal, but it is not

1 minute ago, WhoTom said:

 

Correct.

 

 

 

https://www.makeuseof.com/is-iptv-legal/

 

Since Sunday Ticket is exclusive to DTV, nobody else holds the correct licenses to provide it. Therefore it is illegal.

 

 

 

 

Precisely

[T&C]

8 minutes ago, The Dean said:

 

You are streaming the game, outside of the home market. That's illegal. No way around that. You can pretend it is legal, but it is not

Technically its not streaming a game, its merely watching a local television station in a different market. I could watch the farmers show on a local Nebraska television station or Jeopardy on a local Arizona station. 

[eball]

1 hour ago, The Dean said:

 

You are streaming the game, outside of the home market. That's illegal. No way around that. You can pretend it is legal, but it is not

 

 

Precisely

 

52 minutes ago, T&C said:

Technically its not streaming a game, its merely watching a local television station in a different market. I could watch the farmers show on a local Nebraska television station or Jeopardy on a local Arizona station. 

 

Yeah, so this one has been discussed upstream and is a little fuzzy.

 

If you are using a GPS spoofer you are not necessarily watching any licensed content illegally, you're simply telling your device you are in one location while you are actually in another.  You're watching free programming in a local market, only you're not actually in that market.  Is that "technically" illegal?  Yeah, sure, but who exactly is going to come after you for doing it?

 

[The Dean]

2 hours ago, eball said:

 

 

Yeah, so this one has been discussed upstream and is a little fuzzy.

 

If you are using a GPS spoofer you are not necessarily watching any licensed content illegally, you're simply telling your device you are in one location while you are actually in another.  You're watching free programming in a local market, only you're not actually in that market.  Is that "technically" illegal?  Yeah, sure, but who exactly is going to come after you for doing it?

 

 

Precisely. It is illegal. But it isn't like you will go to jail. But those are different things. You may want to read all of the user agreement on any of the tools you use to see if there is a disclaimer that it should not be used for any illegal purpose/bypass any legal agreement. 

[BaaadThingsMan]

***** DTV

[T&C]

1 hour ago, The Dean said:

 

Precisely. It is illegal. But it isn't like you will go to jail. But those are different things. You may want to read all of the user agreement on any of the tools you use to see if there is a disclaimer that it should not be used for any illegal purpose/bypass any legal agreement. 

Why has this been around for over a decade then? If it was illegal the folks who say it is illegal would have done something about it. No? Or is there some kind of morals involved here. Me personally... I'm not missing Bills/Sabres games. The superboxes are readily available on Amazon, walmart, and a shift ton of other venues. It's perfectly fine to use... as are the sites you can use on the internet. Trust me man, I'm not missing out on a Bills game no matter what. Isn't that what this mafia crap is about lol.

[BillnutinHouston]

Just stepping to say that DTV is complete trash.  They literally made me a ST offer 2 seasons ago, then weeks later contacted me to say I needed to purchase a more expensive package to get the deal they had already given me.  

 

That and their joke of a customer service program chased me into the sports bars after being a customer for 15 years.  

 

DTV is dead to me.  Hey that rhymes!

Edited July 9, 2022 by BillnutinHouston

[The Dean]

1 hour ago, T&C said:

Why has this been around for over a decade then? If it was illegal the folks who say it is illegal would have done something about it. No? Or is there some kind of morals involved here. Me personally... I'm not missing Bills/Sabres games. The superboxes are readily available on Amazon, walmart, and a shift ton of other venues. It's perfectly fine to use... as are the sites you can use on the internet. Trust me man, I'm not missing out on a Bills game no matter what. Isn't that what this mafia crap is about lol.

 

No morals involved here at all, from my end. I'm NOT suggesting you and others shouldn't use it. Not sure where you are getting that. I'm simply saying it is NOT 100% legal, so you should at least know that. In a pinch, I'll jump on a stream to watch a Bills game. For the past 5 or so years I have always been able to see it. But I'm not going to tell myself, or others, that it is legal.  That was my only point.

 

[newcam2012]

6 hours ago, eball said:

 

 

Yeah, so this one has been discussed upstream and is a little fuzzy.

 

If you are using a GPS spoofer you are not necessarily watching any licensed content illegally, you're simply telling your device you are in one location while you are actually in another.  You're watching free programming in a local market, only you're not actually in that market.  Is that "technically" illegal?  Yeah, sure, but who exactly is going to come after you for doing it?

 

Exactly. No way it's legal. People have been streaming all kinds of events and movies for years. A little bit of protection like a paid VPN and you are good to go. I don't do it because I'm older and its a pain in the butt for my old non tech self. Several tech savory guys I work with say it's super easy.  I could careless if it's technically illegal. These companies have been robbing its customers for years. So F them. 

[Colorado Mike]

On 6/25/2022 at 9:40 AM, SoMAn said:

When Sunday ticket goes to one of the other services, I’ll look into those options. DIRECTV gets expensive, though they’re usually willing (or desperate enough) to negotiate better rates. I do like the recording options. A lot of the shows are now available on demand, but the fly in the ointment is the inability to fast-forward through ads. 

During negotiations they’re always pushing the movie channels. Don’t have much interest in todays movie offerings.  Mostly Kids fare, low brow comedies, superhero retreads, sci-Fi fantasy-just not my thing. 
 

Eball- are you still in Atlanta area? I’m in northern ‘burbs. 

also in the northern ‘burbs

[PetermansRedemption]

On 7/8/2022 at 10:35 PM, BillnutinHouston said:

Just stepping to say that DTV is complete trash.  They literally made me a ST offer 2 seasons ago, then weeks later contacted me to say I needed to purchase a more expensive package to get the deal they had already given me.  

 

That and their joke of a customer service program chased me into the sports bars after being a customer for 15 years.  

 

DTV is dead to me.  Hey that rhymes!

My favorite (which was also the last straw for me) was when they told me I’d get Sunday ticket for free and then charged me for it and wouldn’t credit it or give it for free. At that point, I was done.