Climate Change And Heat Waves

[Tiberius]

As if we don't have enough problems with GOP coups and Putin's wars, climate change is still going forward 

 

 

https://www.axios.com/2022/06/21/heat-wave-records-europe-north-america-summer

 

Two extraordinary heat waves sent temperatures soaring into uncharted territory in Europe and the U.S. prior to the summer solstice, setting new benchmarks for the month of June in several European countries.

Why it matters: The early season extreme heat is a development meteorologists are calling "unsettling" and "unprecedented." These events are a clear warning sign of global warming's growing influence on day-to-day weather.

Heat waves are deceptively deadly, with heat illnesses striking the most vulnerable among us, from the homeless to the elderly, along with poorer residents who cannot afford air conditioning.

Such events are particularly dangerous when they occur in late spring or early in the summer, before people are accustomed to the high temperatures.

[T master]

Okay but i wonder why here in Tenn. our spring was unseasonably colder longer this year it stayed in the 30's & 40's much longer this season .

 

But you don't have to worry i read a short thing sent to me that Joe the wing nut is on top of it he said that because of the high rate of increasing fuel prices it is a opportune time to change to alternative clean energy .

 

Which was the agenda all along stop domestic oil production which will raise the price of all fossil fuels say that it's the energy companies raising prices then Putin pulls his BS which just plays into the agenda & eventually the American people are spending so much more cash to fill their vehicles they have no other choice than to but than to buy electric vehicles .

 

Which hey that will save a ton of money the Chevy Silverado EV RST is only $105,000 that is would be the equivalent make of the Silverado gas or diesel  version that sells for $80k so with the savings on the electric truck & the monies that will have to be put into upgrading the grid in order to handle all these new electric vehicles it should be a total money saver .

 

Oh and they will still need to have fossil fuels to produce the amount of electric needed for this wind mills & solar will not be able to do it on there own .

 

Then another problem with that going forward is last week here when the temps got higher the gov't & electric company's were asking all of their customers to turn their AC up as to not use more electricity & over burden the grid so refer to the 4th paragraph about upgrading the grid .

 

If this is what they are asking just because of a bit higher than usual out door temp - HOW THE HELL WILL THE GRID HANDLE ANOTHER 200K PLUS ELECTRIC CARS ???

 

There Old Wing Nut Joe goes implementing his agenda with out a plan with any common sense or reason of how to get there this dude loves to put the cart before the horse all the time .

 

But it's all to save the planet so he'll run with it ...

[LeGOATski]

I'm entertained by our futile attempts to stop climate change. This is a cyclacle planet process that's been going on for millions of years, but sure ... let's try to control it. 🙄

[unbillievable]

I usually wait until we get into the 90's to open my pool.

It's June 21 and my pool is still closed.

 

The climate changed.

 

 

[LeGOATski]

1 hour ago, T master said:

Okay but i wonder why here in Tenn. our spring was unseasonably colder longer this year it stayed in the 30's & 40's much longer this season .

 

But you don't have to worry i read a short thing sent to me that Joe the wing nut is on top of it he said that because of the high rate of increasing fuel prices it is a opportune time to change to alternative clean energy .

 

Which was the agenda all along stop domestic oil production which will raise the price of all fossil fuels say that it's the energy companies raising prices then Putin pulls his BS which just plays into the agenda & eventually the American people are spending so much more cash to fill their vehicles they have no other choice than to but than to buy electric vehicles .

 

Which hey that will save a ton of money the Chevy Silverado EV RST is only $105,000 that is would be the equivalent make of the Silverado gas or diesel  version that sells for $80k so with the savings on the electric truck & the monies that will have to be put into upgrading the grid in order to handle all these new electric vehicles it should be a total money saver .

 

Oh and they will still need to have fossil fuels to produce the amount of electric needed for this wind mills & solar will not be able to do it on there own .

 

Then another problem with that going forward is last week here when the temps got higher the gov't & electric company's were asking all of their customers to turn their AC up as to not use more electricity & over burden the grid so refer to the 4th paragraph about upgrading the grid .

 

If this is what they are asking just because of a bit higher than usual out door temp - HOW THE HELL WILL THE GRID HANDLE ANOTHER 200K PLUS ELECTRIC CARS ???

 

There Old Wing Nut Joe goes implementing his agenda with out a plan with any common sense or reason of how to get there this dude loves to put the cart before the horse all the time .

 

But it's all to save the planet so he'll run with it ...

I wish car companies would have kept investing in small combustion engine technology. And clean diesel. You can pump plenty of horsepower out of a 3- or 4-cylinder engine, more than enough for anyone's driving needs, and still get amazing gas mileage. Maybe I'm just old fashioned now.

[T master]

3 hours ago, LeGOATski said:

I wish car companies would have kept investing in small combustion engine technology. And clean diesel. You can pump plenty of horsepower out of a 3- or 4-cylinder engine, more than enough for anyone's driving needs, and still get amazing gas mileage. Maybe I'm just old fashioned now.

 

No i don't believe so meaning you are not that old fashion . I can remember back in some where around 1979  - 2 guys in NYC had a had a Mercury Capri that had a V-8 in it i assume it was a 302, these guys had been working on a carburetor for quite some time & this was the test run NYC to Miami was the route .

 

When they got to Miami they figured out how many MPG they got it worked out to be 50 MPG in 1974 from a V-8 after that you never heard another word about those guys or the carburetor they had built .

 

The new 4 cylinder engines make as much HP as V-8's do and are much cleaner and more efficient than ever before but that's still not good enough & never will be because it's not part of the agenda .

 

I said that to say this . I drive a Prevost bus on a tour & the new buses & semi's that carry people  & equipment are amoung the cleanest burning engines they have ever built they have a regeneration system that reburns the carbon and they have DEF (Diesel Exhaust Fluid) that also helps to burn off any left overs to be just about as efficient as a motor can be .

 

Coal on the other hand could be a different story but as far as our use of fossil fuels here in the US the politicians are blowing the left over diesel smoke from the 70's up our asses because the cars, trucks & gas home furnaces, along with anything else that burns fossil fuels are all at about 98% efficiency so there's more to the story than clean air .

 

China, India, & other countries are the biggest abusers of polluting the air & they don't care anything about it but the US is always the one that has to bear the brunt of making it better instead of holding those other countries feet to the fire why you ask ? Because they own the US and if we start to push in any way they could make life 10 times worse than it is now .

 

Someone (and it wouldn't surprise me if it was a bunch of politicians) stand to make a S**T ton of cash off of pushing this electric thing not to mention the control they would have over us all ! There would be no mad max running around stealing gas if the world went that way alls they have to do is shut off the power & we would all be screwed !!

 

So just as it has always been with the US gov't there is a alternative motive but you & i will never know that is ! Then there are those that follow this fool we have in the White House (and this agenda) right now will never have balls enough to question him & will believe & follow what ever he says .

 

So i don't believe you are old fashion you just see things through a clearer pair of glasses than some & you along with myself won't have to worry a lot about it i know i'll be long gone it's our grand children that will have to live through all of that . 

Edited June 21, 2022 by T master

[reddogblitz]

Seattle is had a cold and wet spring.  Now that summer is officially here, they are expecting 80 this weekend for the first time this year.

 

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This spring has been bad.

 

How bad? The worst in a decade, according to Seattle Weather Blog. Since March 1, the mean average temperature at Sea-Tac is a hair north of 48 degrees, the coldest since 2011 and the 13th lowest since the airport started keeping track in 1945. Halfway through this soggy May, we’re already threatening record rain tallies for the entire month, per the National Weather Service.

 

https://www.seattlemet.com/news-and-city-life/2022/05/bad-spring-weather-seattle-2022-forecast-la-nina

[LeGOATski]

11 hours ago, T master said:

 

No i don't believe so meaning you are not that old fashion . I can remember back in some where around 1979  - 2 guys in NYC had a had a Mercury Capri that had a V-8 in it i assume it was a 302, these guys had been working on a carburetor for quite some time & this was the test run NYC to Miami was the route .

 

When they got to Miami they figured out how many MPG they got it worked out to be 50 MPG in 1974 from a V-8 after that you never heard another word about those guys or the carburetor they had built .

 

The new 4 cylinder engines make as much HP as V-8's do and are much cleaner and more efficient than ever before but that's still not good enough & never will be because it's not part of the agenda .

 

I said that to say this . I drive a Prevost bus on a tour & the new buses & semi's that carry people  & equipment are amoung the cleanest burning engines they have ever built they have a regeneration system that reburns the carbon and they have DEF (Diesel Exhaust Fluid) that also helps to burn off any left overs to be just about as efficient as a motor can be .

 

Coal on the other hand could be a different story but as far as our use of fossil fuels here in the US the politicians are blowing the left over diesel smoke from the 70's up our asses because the cars, trucks & gas home furnaces, along with anything else that burns fossil fuels are all at about 98% efficiency so there's more to the story than clean air .

 

China, India, & other countries are the biggest abusers of polluting the air & they don't care anything about it but the US is always the one that has to bear the brunt of making it better instead of holding those other countries feet to the fire why you ask ? Because they own the US and if we start to push in any way they could make life 10 times worse than it is now .

 

Someone (and it wouldn't surprise me if it was a bunch of politicians) stand to make a S**T ton of cash off of pushing this electric thing not to mention the control they would have over us all ! There would be no mad max running around stealing gas if the world went that way alls they have to do is shut off the power & we would all be screwed !!

 

So just as it has always been with the US gov't there is a alternative motive but you & i will never know that is ! Then there are those that follow this fool we have in the White House (and this agenda) right now will never have balls enough to question him & will believe & follow what ever he says .

 

So i don't believe you are old fashion you just see things through a clearer pair of glasses than some & you along with myself won't have to worry a lot about it i know i'll be long gone it's our grand children that will have to live through all of that . 

There's another aspect that I know ties into the push for EVs: automation.

 

Electric vehicles can be integrated so easily into their plans for a national, and eventually global, automated system. Automated vehicles can easily charge themselves with electricity and if there is a malfunction, then the consequences aren't as dangerous.

[ALF]

Saw a TV news story of turning windows into see thru solar panels , homes , skyscrapers , vehicles can charge themselves.

 

https://www.solarwindow.com/

 

https://news.energysage.com/solar-panel-windows-solar-blinds/

 

https://www.fastcompany.com/90712278/these-windows-are-see-through-solar-panels

 

Now we are getting somewhere, I hope

[Tiberius]

17 hours ago, LeGOATski said:

I'm entertained by our futile attempts to stop climate change. This is a cyclacle planet process that's been going on for millions of years, but sure ... let's try to control it. 🙄

More carbon in air traps more heat. It’s that simple. Yes, other factors are invading lived and the climate changes on its own, also. If you leave an ice cube on a table, it will melt. If you pour salt on it it will melt faster. 

[T master]

2 hours ago, Tiberius said:

More carbon in air traps more heat. It’s that simple. Yes, other factors are invading lived and the climate changes on its own, also. If you leave an ice cube on a table, it will melt. If you pour salt on it it will melt faster. 

 

Yah that may be true but they being the people pushing for this stuff only tell you what they want us to here to make their point they don't include the fact that they are cutting down trees at a record pace & they take the carbon out of the air & there are other components that contribute but they leave that out & it's only about the cars & fossil fuels .

 

[Tiberius]

10 minutes ago, T master said:

 

Yah that may be true but they being the people pushing for this stuff only tell you what they want us to here to make their point they don't include the fact that they are cutting down trees at a record pace & they take the carbon out of the air & there are other components that contribute but they leave that out & it's only about the cars & fossil fuels .

 

we still have lots of trees man 

[ChiGoose]

I find this chart from The Economist to be helpful when trying to gauge some of the macro trends of climate change.

 

It's not that all places will always be warmer all of the time; it's that, on average, places will generally be warmer. Additionally, our current extreme heat events will become more common and we will begin to experience even worse heat events.

 

Sure, there will still be snow in the winter (though there may be less) and we will still have some nice weather in the spring and fall, but overall we are going to see more droughts, wildfires, heatwaves and other events that will negatively impact our crops, wildlife, and our lives.

[T master]

https://www.theworldcounts.com/challenges/planet-earth/forests-and-deserts/rate-of-deforestation

 

Sure there may be but they have been & will continue to cut them down & it's all relevant unless certain people refuse to see what's right in front of their face for their agenda .

Edited June 22, 2022 by T master

[Tiberius]

17 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

I find this chart from The Economist to be helpful when trying to gauge some of the macro trends of climate change.

 

It's not that all places will always be warmer all of the time; it's that, on average, places will generally be warmer. Additionally, our current extreme heat events will become more common and we will begin to experience even worse heat events.

 

Sure, there will still be snow in the winter (though there may be less) and we will still have some nice weather in the spring and fall, but overall we are going to see more droughts, wildfires, heatwaves and other events that will negatively impact our crops, wildlife, and our lives.

Seems like more rain in some areas, also. Warmer air holds more moisture and that means larger rain and snow events 

[ChiGoose]

3 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Seems like more rain in some areas, also. Warmer air holds more moisture and that means larger rain and snow events 

 

From what I've seen, the Great Lakes basin will be least affected while the west will have more frequent wildfires and the south will have reduced crop yields.

 

There are some informative maps here: https://projects.propublica.org/climate-migration/

[B-Man]

 

 

 

Remembering the deadly US heat wave of 1980 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2020/07/11/heat-wave-1980/

 

 

[LeGOATski]

4 hours ago, Tiberius said:

More carbon in air traps more heat. It’s that simple. Yes, other factors are invading lived and the climate changes on its own, also. If you leave an ice cube on a table, it will melt. If you pour salt on it it will melt faster. 

Humans are the salt, my man. 8 billion grains of salt all over this cube and rising.

 

The only thing we can do to help the Earth now is to leave it. That's why we're trying to find other habitable planets. Time to spread out again.

[ChiGoose]

2 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

Humans are the salt, my man. 8 billion grains of salt all over this cube and rising.

 

The only thing we can do to help the Earth now is to leave it. That's why we're trying to find other habitable planets. Time to spread out again.

 

Again?

[LeGOATski]

Just now, ChiGoose said:

 

Again?

Yep. Except this time we're going to space!

[Tiberius]

57 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

Humans are the salt, my man. 8 billion grains of salt all over this cube and rising.

 

The only thing we can do to help the Earth now is to leave it. That's why we're trying to find other habitable planets. Time to spread out again.

No, we can just take better care of our environment 

[LeviF]

[reddogblitz]

12 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

Remembering the deadly US heat wave of 1980 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2020/07/11/heat-wave-1980/

 

 

 

I remember it very well.  I lived in Dallas. We had 42 days in a row over 100 degrees and 69 days over 100 degrees that summer.  It was one hot mother trucker.

 

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/2010/08/06/dallas-fort-worth-heat-wave-of-1980-still-seared-into-memories/

 

Couldn't read your article so I added my own. 🙂

[Buffarukus]

been watching this guy for a bit. not sure if hes a huckster or what but he certainly seems to pull up alot of very old news articles and scientific studies/graphs. i live in buffalo and see a diff in the winters from when i was a kid but also know that gov seem a more concerned with human behavior which is relatively small contributor and less involved in changing the fundamental of industrial contributions. simply buying and selling carbon coupons like baseball cards while allowing foreign powers to ignore it all which everyone agrees will negate ANYTHING we do.

 

in the end covid really destroyed  any confidence the scientific consensus narrative has. of coarse leftists that went full steam authoritarian don't blink a eye at the economic damage they authorized. not sure where they can say anything on these types of topics and expect credibility. makes you wonder if opposition has been silenced for a long time. i think we should stop our economy from collapsing first any means necessary. its kind of important too.

 

check him out and see what you think. has a library of vids full of "misinformation"

 

 

 

Edited June 23, 2022 by Buffarukus

[\GoBillsInDallas/]

On 6/22/2022 at 5:51 AM, ALF said:

Saw a TV news story of turning windows into see thru solar panels , homes , skyscrapers , vehicles can charge themselves.

 

https://www.solarwindow.com/

 

https://news.energysage.com/solar-panel-windows-solar-blinds/

 

https://www.fastcompany.com/90712278/these-windows-are-see-through-solar-panels

 

Now we are getting somewhere, I hope

 

https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2022-07-14/california-rooftop-solar-pv-panels-recycling-danger

 

[Wacka]

The Kanemids (sp?) have the perfect plan to fight this. It is in the form of a book called "To Serve Man."

[aristocrat]

Why don't we have a national recycling program?  A worldwide one?  Why don't we force companies to make more high quality products instead of ***** ones that last short periods? Especially wood furniture.  Nuclear power as well. Instead we just talk about ev's. 

[SoCal Deek]

31 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

Why don't we have a national recycling program?  A worldwide one?  Why don't we force companies to make more high quality products instead of ***** ones that last short periods? Especially wood furniture.  Nuclear power as well. Instead we just talk about ev's. 

Funny you mention recycling. The latest stories are that we've recycled TOO MUCH, not too little. Some waste management companies have nowhere to put the stuff, so they're just collecting it and then dumping it in with everything else. 

[aristocrat]

5 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Funny you mention recycling. The latest stories are that we've recycled TOO MUCH, not too little. Some waste management companies have nowhere to put the stuff, so they're just collecting it and then dumping it in with everything else. 

 

We should also have waste to energy incineration plants. They do cause pollution but it's less than if the stuff just decomposes.  Less pollution than coal. 

[Brandon]

33 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

Why don't we have a national recycling program?  A worldwide one?  Why don't we force companies to make more high quality products instead of ***** ones that last short periods? Especially wood furniture.  Nuclear power as well. Instead we just talk about ev's. 

 

Like anything else, I'd assume it ultimately comes down to money.  Cheap junk needs to be replaced more often,  so the consumers buy more.  Nuclear has been regulated to the point where its almost impossible to build a new plant.  But electric vehicles are new on the mass market.  There's still large amounts of financial gain to be made,  especially at twice the cost or more of a conventional vehicle.  You just need to convince the public that the enviro-apocalypse will occur if they don't make the switch. 

 

Thats not to say there arent some real environmental issues underpinning it, but most of the nuts leading the charge at the policy and business level stand to make a fortune off it. 

[SoCal Deek]

24 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

 

We should also have waste to energy incineration plants. They do cause pollution but it's less than if the stuff just decomposes.  Less pollution than coal. 

I’m actually a LEED accredited professional. (Look it up) There are any number of things we ‘should have’. The challenge is viability of these should have ideas. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

By the time Musk, one web and Amazon get all their satellites in orbit, won’t it block enough sun to cool things off a bit? 

[ChiGoose]

2 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

I’m actually a LEED accredited professional. (Look it up) There are any number of things we ‘should have’. The challenge is viability of these should have ideas. 

 

My understanding is that a lot of the solutions around things like recycling simply aren't profitable, limiting their scale. Though, I will certainly defer to someone with LEED accreditation. 

[JDHillFan]

3 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

Funny you mention recycling. The latest stories are that we've recycled TOO MUCH, not too little. Some waste management companies have nowhere to put the stuff, so they're just collecting it and then dumping it in with everything else. 

This is the case in Baltimore County but the powers that be still want people to separate the recyclables. Reason not given. 

Edited July 14, 2022 by JDHillFan

[SoCal Deek]

2 hours ago, ChiGoose said:

 

My understanding is that a lot of the solutions around things like recycling simply aren't profitable, limiting their scale. Though, I will certainly defer to someone with LEED accreditation. 

That’s correct. We’ve gotten so used to First World convenience that people don’t realize that convenience comes at a huge cost. 

[Andy1]

The lack of water in the southwest will be a major issue soon. 
 

https://www.latimes.com/environment/story/2022-06-14/big-water-cutbacks-ordered-amid-colorado-river-shortage

 

“We are 150 feet from 25 million Americans losing access to the Colorado River, and the rate of decline is accelerating,” Entsminger told the senators. Avoiding “potentially catastrophic conditions,” Entsminger said, will require reductions that many water managers previously considered unattainable.”

 

The Colorado River is running out of water and 40 million people depend upon it. Water usage reductions in the range of the allotment for the State of Arizona will be required, split among states of CO, NM, NV, AZ and CA.

Edited July 15, 2022 by Andy1

[Westside]

48 minutes ago, Andy1 said:

The lack of water in the southwest will be a major issue soon. 
 

https://www.latimes.com/environment/story/2022-06-14/big-water-cutbacks-ordered-amid-colorado-river-shortage

 

“We are 150 feet from 25 million Americans losing access to the Colorado River, and the rate of decline is accelerating,” Entsminger told the senators. Avoiding “potentially catastrophic conditions,” Entsminger said, will require reductions that many water managers previously considered unattainable.”

 

The Colorado River is running out of water and 40 million people depend upon it. Water usage reductions in the range of the allotment for the State of Arizona will be required, split among states of CO, NM, NV, AZ and CA.

Thanks biden! What a mess

[Irv]

7 hours ago, Westside said:

Thanks biden! What a mess

Another problem caused by Demented Biden.  What a mess.  

[All_Pro_Bills]

8 hours ago, Andy1 said:

The lack of water in the southwest will be a major issue soon. 
 

https://www.latimes.com/environment/story/2022-06-14/big-water-cutbacks-ordered-amid-colorado-river-shortage

 

“We are 150 feet from 25 million Americans losing access to the Colorado River, and the rate of decline is accelerating,” Entsminger told the senators. Avoiding “potentially catastrophic conditions,” Entsminger said, will require reductions that many water managers previously considered unattainable.”

 

The Colorado River is running out of water and 40 million people depend upon it. Water usage reductions in the range of the allotment for the State of Arizona will be required, split among states of CO, NM, NV, AZ and CA.

The core problem is the Colorado River system does not have the capacity to support 40 million humans along with the surrounding environment.  So eventually either somebody identifies another source of water to restore a balance with nature or people move out.   

[ChiGoose]

1 hour ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

The core problem is the Colorado River system does not have the capacity to support 40 million humans along with the surrounding environment.  So eventually either somebody identifies another source of water to restore a balance with nature or people move out.   

Or they keep their heads in the sand and do nothing while the problem gets worse.