Tua impressing in Miami

[Big Turk]

3 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

I mean he did just pass for 470 and 6 tuddies. I get it, Fitzy has too. No one can sit here and say Dolphins haven’t looked VERY good the first two weeks. 

 

I hope the Bills destroy them next week, but  damn.

 

Yes you can. They looked blah last week. Tua looked unimpressive at best. Made several bad plays against NE that could have turned out badly for him but didn't.

 

Against Baltimore he looked bad in the first half. It wasn't until McDaniel realized Baltimore's secondary was a trainwreck and started taking advantage of blown coverages and poor play by them that he looked good.

 

Sadly that won't happen too often.

 

Did you watch both games in full? Because if you did I am unsure how you could have that opinion or I just assume you have a casual understanding of football.

 

 

 

1 minute ago, TBBills said:

Hard to panic when you have Josh Allen

 

 

Pretty much. Does anyone truly believe we are going to have an entire half of blown coverages against Tua?

[TheyCallMeAndy]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

I think they have looked good but with some obvious flaws too.

Every team has obvious flaws and Dolphins are loaded on Offense. Is Tua benefiting from a few WRs and a TE who are elite at RAC? Hell yes. But he’s still making correct reads and putting the ball in the correct spot for that insane RAC to happen. Tua gets some credit for how dangerous that passing game looks right now.

[TH3]

Tua literally has to put everything he has and sky arc passes 30 plus yards

[Big Turk]

1 minute ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Every team has obvious flaws and Dolphins are loaded on Offense. Is Tua benefiting from a few WRs and a TE who are elite at RAC? Hell yes. But he’s still making correct reads and putting the ball in the correct spot for that insane RAC to happen. Tua gets some credit for how dangerous that passing game looks right now.

 

Really? Did you also see him force his head coach to go for it twice on 4th down on his own side of the field(they converted both times luckily) because of terrible ball placement on short throws that required his WRs to make great one hand catches but also pulled them away from the first down marker? Should have been easy conversions.

 

Those type of things matter and will come back to bite you more times than not.

 

If you think blown coverages and terrible defensive back play is the norm against them and that is more important than basic fundamentals I'm not sure what to tell you.

 

You saw a once in a career performance from him today. Take a bow Tua.

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Every team has obvious flaws and Dolphins are loaded on Offense. Is Tua benefiting from a few WRs and a TE who are elite at RAC? Hell yes. But he’s still making correct reads and putting the ball in the correct spot for that insane RAC to happen. Tua gets some credit for how dangerous that passing game looks right now.

 

They still struggle to pass protect when you get them in obvious dropback situations on offense and their defensive backfield is vulnerable. That isn't to say they don't look dangerous on offense. Their receivers have so much speed, and Tua had some really good plays today. Especially second half. 

 

But I don't think they are in the elite category in the AFC yet.

[DanInUticaTampa]

2 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Every team has obvious flaws and Dolphins are loaded on Offense. Is Tua benefiting from a few WRs and a TE who are elite at RAC? Hell yes. But he’s still making correct reads and putting the ball in the correct spot for that insane RAC to happen. Tua gets some credit for how dangerous that passing game looks right now.

 

 

It looked good for only 2 quarters of football against a team with a poor secondary.  That is a really small sample size. Especially when tua looked average at best for 6 quarters this season.

 

If tua lights it up against the bills for 4 quarters against the bills next week, then I might start to have concern. Not a lot of concern, but some concern.

[BuffaloBills1998]

4 minutes ago, TH3 said:

Tua literally has to put everything he has and sky arc passes 30 plus yards

You gotta hand it to him though, he helped his offense make a nice comeback. I thought the game was over in the first half

[Cheektowaga Chad]

The dolphins game today reminds me a lot of when the bills would start hot and win a crazy game or 2

 

Everyone would say they want New England - and promptly be beaten back to reality

 

Hoping the bills do to the dolphins what the pats would do to the bills for the last decade or two

[Big Turk]

2 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

You gotta hand it to him though, he helped his offense make a nice comeback. I thought the game was over in the first half

 

He did, but Baltimore's defensive play did even more. Just brutal. One of the worst halves of defensive back play you'll ever see. McD and Frazier would be vomiting for hours after the game if they had that happen to them with how they coach up DBs.

Edited September 18, 2022 by Big Turk

[BuffaloBills1998]

Just now, Big Turk said:

 

He did, but Baltimore's defensive play did even more. Just brutal.

I agree, Baltimores defense looks like *****. Hard to believe the media talks them up as still being a contender

[TheyCallMeAndy]

6 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Yes you can. They looked blah last week. Tua looked unimpressive at best. Made several bad plays against NE that could have turned out badly for him but didn't.

 

Against Baltimore he looked bad in the first half. It wasn't until McDaniel realized Baltimore's secondary was a trainwreck and started taking advantage of blown coverages and poor play by them that he looked good.

 

Sadly that won't happen too often.

 

Did you watch both games in full? Because if you did I am unsure how you could have that opinion or I just assume you have a casual understanding of football.

 

 

 

 

Pretty much. Does anyone truly believe we are going to have an entire half of blown coverages against Tua?

Again, my opinion is ‘Dolphins might be good’ and ‘some Bills fans sound like huge hypocrites right now,’ but thanks for that subtle demeaning comment to establish superiority on this topic, which I have no doubt will be played off as a misinterpretation on my end. 
 

Anyways, Dolphins being good and providing a challenge is actually a very good thing. Iron sharpens iron. I hope they’re as good as they look so far so beating them is that much sweeter. 

[TH3]

11 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

You gotta hand it to him though, he helped his offense make a nice comeback. I thought the game was over in the first half

Hill is actually the perfect reciever for him

[PrimeTime101]

Tua had an amazing have/ 1/3rd of a game. I give Tua props for it!

 

Thats where the props end. Tua had 2 horrible INT against bottom level defense. 

 

Miami will make the wildcard with what they have... but this business of talking about us splitting game with Miami?  Like KC, Miami has yet to play a good defense.

 

We will have plenty of film on how to stop Miami and I am not worried at all. 

[Big Turk]

4 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Again, my opinion is ‘Dolphins might be good’ and ‘some Bills fans sound like huge hypocrites right now,’ but thanks for that subtle demeaning comment to establish superiority on this topic, which I have no doubt will be played off as a misinterpretation on my end. 
 

Anyways, Dolphins being good and providing a challenge is actually a very good thing. Iron sharpens iron. I hope they’re as good as they look so far so beating them is that much sweeter. 

 

That's the only thing I could assume. Because if you watched the first game and a half of Tua I have no earthly idea how you could come away from that thinking he played well.

 

I mean great for him, he took advantage of terrible DB play by Baltimore...perhaps some of the worst I've ever seen for an entire half, but I guess we will see next week.

[BigDingus]

25 minutes ago, TBBills said:

Hard to panic when you have Josh Allen

 

 

That's my sentiment.

 

Confident Allen (and this team in general) is superior to the Dolphins, but that doesn't mean the Dolphins aren't a much better team this year.

 

And is anyone really that confident in our starting CBs being a 2020 7th rounder in Dane Jackson & a rookie 6th rounder in Benford, matching up against Waddle & Hill? Elam will improve, but it's clear the reports of his offseason struggles were legit, so that leaves us with our most senior CB being Taron Johnson to help. 

 

I still think the Bills win, but the Ravens were up 28-7 at half, then the next 2 quarters the Dolphins dropped 35 points on them. If anything, they've proven their offense has WAY more potential than they did the last couple years.

[CoudyBills]

31 minutes ago, TBBills said:

Hard to panic when you have Josh Allen

 

Yeah but do you think Miami would trade us Tua for Josh if we throw in a 1st round pick next year?

[PrimeTime101]

32 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Yes you can. They looked blah last week. Tua looked unimpressive at best. Made several bad plays against NE that could have turned out badly for him but didn't.

 

Against Baltimore he looked bad in the first half. It wasn't until McDaniel realized Baltimore's secondary was a trainwreck and started taking advantage of blown coverages and poor play by them that he looked good.

 

Sadly that won't happen too often.

 

Did you watch both games in full? Because if you did I am unsure how you could have that opinion or I just assume you have a casual understanding of football.

 

 

Pretty much. Does anyone truly believe we are going to have an entire half of blown coverages against Tua?

 

Turk, you are spot on again.

 

Dont get me wrong, Tua should be given props for having a great quarter but what about the other 6 quarters?

 

Tua's newfound confidence is going to be his demise~

[FilthyBeast]

Told ya'all this was going to happen.

 

Game managers and fringe starters don't put up 6 TD's (something JA17 has never done) and nearly 500 yards. Congrats to Tua for taking the year 3 leap like Allen did.

 

Bigger question is how on earth is the Bills secondary going to have any chance against slowing down Waddle/Hill next week? Even with White healthy and in the lineup it's a bad proposition.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

[DanInUticaTampa]

3 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

Told ya'all this was going to happen.

 

Game managers and fringe starters don't put up 6 TD's (something JA17 has never done) and nearly 500 yards. Congrats to Tua for taking the year 3 leap like Allen did.

 

Bigger question is how on earth is the Bills secondary going to have any chance against slowing down Waddle/Hill next week? Even with White healthy and in the lineup it's a bad proposition.

 

White wont be playing next week.

 

Our CBs will get a lot of help from our safeties and linebackers, and hopefully a strong pass rush

[FilthyBeast]

1 minute ago, DanInUticaTampa said:

 

White wont be playing next week.

 

Our CBs will get a lot of help from our safeties and linebackers, and hopefully a strong pass rush

 

It's a terrible matchup even with white which was my point.

 

Dane Jackson and 2 rookies against Hill/Waddle = not a good thing trust me. If the Bills win it will be one of those 42-40 type of scores.

[GunnerBill]

30 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

He did, but Baltimore's defensive play did even more. Just brutal. One of the worst halves of defensive back play you'll ever see. McD and Frazier would be vomiting for hours after the game if they had that happen to them with how they coach up DBs.

 

I think you can safely assume Frazier and McDermott won't be running much cover 0.

[TBBills]

8 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

Told ya'all this was going to happen.

 

Game managers and fringe starters don't put up 6 TD's (something JA17 has never done) and nearly 500 yards. Congrats to Tua for taking the year 3 leap like Allen did.

 

Bigger question is how on earth is the Bills secondary going to have any chance against slowing down Waddle/Hill next week? Even with White healthy and in the lineup it's a bad proposition.

You didn't tell us Tua would be average, we told you he would be.

2 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

It's a terrible matchup even with white which was my point.

 

Dane Jackson and 2 rookies against Hill/Waddle = not a good thing trust me. If the Bills win it will be one of those 42-40 type of scores.

Yea the Bills shouldn't have a problem putting up 40-42 but Tua definitely won't be able to do that

 

[FilthyBeast]

1 minute ago, TBBills said:

You didn't tell us Tua would be average, we told you he would be.

Yea the Bills shouldn't have a problem putting up 40-42 but Tua definitely won't be able to do that

 

 

Um did you not watch what Tua just did on the road against a SB contender? What makes you think the Bills defense is better than the Ravens especially with 2 rookie DB's and Dane Jackson in the secondary?

[DanInUticaTampa]

Just now, FilthyBeast said:

 

It's a terrible matchup even with white which was my point.

 

Dane Jackson and 2 rookies against Hill/Waddle = not a good thing trust me. If the Bills win it will be one of those 42-40 type of scores.

 

Dane Jackson is good. Even with the CBs being a weak link on our defense, they aren't going to be covering waddle and hill 1 on 1. Poyer and Hyde are going to cover them as well. They are going to double hill and waddle and then they will probably single cover gesicki, who is probably the one we should worry more about. 

 

Miami has a weak oline and with our strong dline, we should be able to out pressure on tua forcing his throws off time.

 

This is a team sport. it isn't like our CBs are going to be single covering these guys by themselvers. They will have a lot of help from the safeties and a lot of help from the pass rush. And probably a lot of help from Milano and Edmunds who are also good in coverage. And the strong pass rush is another bonus. You are giving miami too much credit for only 2 quarters of good football against a bad defense.

[TBBills]

1 minute ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

Um did you not watch what Tua just did on the road against a SB contender? What makes you think the Bills defense is better than the Ravens especially with 2 rookie DB's and Dane Jackson in the secondary?

I watched the game, he didn't play that well at all. Ravens aren't a SB contender... they didn't even make the playoffs last year. 

 

That Miami defense looks horrible how they supposed to keep Josh under his normal 40 points he puts up on them?

Edited September 18, 2022 by TBBills

[What a Tuel]

The told you so! I wouldve thought he would wait for more than one game that was a clear defensive failure by the ravens to say it though. 😂

[Big Turk]

5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think you can safely assume Frazier and McDermott won't be running much cover 0.

 

It's almost like the Ravens just checked out at the half on D thinking the game was over and then they couldn't get their minds back in the game.

[TheyCallMeAndy]

9 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

Told ya'all this was going to happen.

 

Game managers and fringe starters don't put up 6 TD's (something JA17 has never done) and nearly 500 yards. Congrats to Tua for taking the year 3 leap like Allen did.

 

Bigger question is how on earth is the Bills secondary going to have any chance against slowing down Waddle/Hill next week? Even with White healthy and in the lineup it's a bad proposition.

Tua is not in the same League as Allen. I may question weather or not these first 2 weeks have been flukes (very well may have been), but his limitations put his best case scenario at about Alex Smith. 
 

Allen’s best case scenario is basically Godzilla. Like pissed off full nuke Godzilla. 

[What a Tuel]

2 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

Um did you not watch what Tua just did on the road against a SB contender? What makes you think the Bills defense is better than the Ravens especially with 2 rookie DB's and Dane Jackson in the secondary?

 

We watched the whole game, including the part where Tua threw 2 picks and went down 21 pts.

[GunnerBill]

Just now, Big Turk said:

 

It's almost like the Ravens just checked out at the half on D thinking the game was over and then they couldn't get their minds back in the game.

 

I think it was more the Dolphins saw the way they were playing and so rather than all the quick hit and lateral game they called for Hill and Waddle first half they said "if they are gonna go 1v1 then let's go right at the corners down the field."

 

And the Ravens DBs were outmatched and put in a position to fail.

[NewEra]

7 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

Um did you not watch what Tua just did on the road against a SB contender? What makes you think the Bills defense is better than the Ravens especially with 2 rookie DB's and Dane Jackson in the secondary?

What makes you think they’re not?  

[FilthyBeast]

4 minutes ago, TBBills said:

I watched the game, he didn't play that well at all. Ravens aren't a SB contender... they didn't even make the playoffs last year. 

 

That Miami defense looks horrible how they supposed to keep Josh under his normal 40 points he puts up on them?

 

Ravens are certainly a legit SB contender and it's not wise to minimize what happened today IMO.

 

We barely beat Miami last year in the 2nd game and their defense was a big part of that.

 

Going to be a lot of pressure now on the Bills tomorrow night to keep pace against a team that has had their number and need to think about that first.

[Freak-O]

Can we please also remember week 1 and the awful game between Miami and the Pats? 

[CaliBills]

This is what happens when you play Man vs speedy WR's and playing Zone vs Speedy WR's.

Ravens game plan in the second half should have been more zone and help with waddle/hill. 

[Big Turk]

9 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

Um did you not watch what Tua just did on the road against a SB contender? What makes you think the Bills defense is better than the Ravens especially with 2 rookie DB's and Dane Jackson in the secondary?

 

Who said the Ravens are a SB contender? Did you watch the Bills performance last week against the SB Champs?

 

Do you think the Bills are going to have blown coverages for an entire half with 2 all pro safeties back there?

[PrimeTime101]

8 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

Um did you not watch what Tua just did on the road against a SB contender? What makes you think the Bills defense is better than the Ravens especially with 2 rookie DB's and Dane Jackson in the secondary?

SB contender? what are you smoking? just cause odds have them in 4th does not make them a true "contender"

 

Ravens defense was horrible... expect those odds to get a ton worse for the Ravens. 

[TBBills]

Just now, FilthyBeast said:

 

Ravens are certainly a legit SB contender and it's not wise to minimize what happened today IMO.

 

We barely beat Miami last year in the 2nd game and their defense was a big part of that.

 

Going to be a lot of pressure now on the Bills tomorrow night to keep pace against a team that has had their number and need to think about that first.

Miami cannot even stop Lamar, they have no chance at stopping Josh. 

 

Bills have a proven history at stopping Tua.

[boater]

Just now, FilthyBeast said:

 

Ravens are certainly a legit SB contender and it's not wise to minimize what happened today IMO.

 

We barely beat Miami last year in the 2nd game and their defense was a big part of that.

 

Going to be a lot of pressure now on the Bills tomorrow night to keep pace against a team that has had their number and need to think about that first.

Aren't you abusing the word "we" since you're a Dolphins troll.

[jimmy10]

Esiason just said Tua has “arrived among the top QBs in the league.” 😂 Almost enough to make one think the shield wants to distract from the Fish tampering to pick up Brady in the offseason.