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1 hour ago, newcam2012 said:

You are correct about not taking it to the house. I should have clarified they picked Duke up to be the Bills third down passing RB. I don't think the Bills need a home run passing running back. That would be a luxury and a bonus. Motor has proved to be very good with good Oline play. The offense will be fine as long as Allen stays healthy and the Oline blocks well. 

I think Motor is a fully capable runner. He’ll never instill fear into the defense, but that’s okay. My post was in regards to what Beane covets - an offensive player who can take a 5 yard pass and turn it into a 60 yard TD. He said we don’t have that player on our roster and I said if he were added, I’d prefer it was to the RB room rather than at the glut of receivers. Hall could potentially not only take a 5 yard pass to the house, but also a run where Motor gets 15. TDs and explosive plays are not luxuries.

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3 hours ago, JayBaller10 said:

If the Bills select Hall, it’s because they believe he’s capable of catching a 5 yard pass and turning it into a 60 yard TD. They don’t currently have that player on the roster and Beane referenced needing that sort of talent. You can draft it at WR and add it to that group, but personally I’d rather have it at RB. He doesn’t have to carry it 25+ times a game.

 

 

Or be a smart organization..........draft or UDFA one of many late round WR's who would have been RB's in the NFL of 20 years ago but are now going to be well down an NFL WR depth chart......and use them like a wide-back..........turn that market inefficiency into your favor.

 

RB's today are like CB's of yesteryear..........they play those positions only because they CAN'T play receiver. 

 

Exceptions are rare........probably only Christian McCaffrey could be a real legit NFL receiver..........and playing RB tore hizass up.

 

Even Alvin Kamara isn't that guy.    Top RB's are only going to give you Cole Beasley like 7-9 ypc production.

 

Getting bigger receiving #'s from your back is always an aspiration but I think some people have this idea in mind that throwing screens to RB's totally catches defense's with their pants down.     It's not true.  

 

Running backs almost always operate within 5 yards of the LOS..........it makes them pretty easy to account for.

 

Whereas a receiver who might run a 9 route on a CB 30 yards down the field..........throwing a screen to him can be explosive........if he is quick and elusive........or has the instincts and contact balance of a RB(which is what Deebo Samuel is, in addition to being a downfield weapon).   

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40 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said:

I think Motor is a fully capable runner. He’ll never instill fear into the defense, but that’s okay. My post was in regards to what Beane covets - an offensive player who can take a 5 yard pass and turn it into a 60 yard TD. He said we don’t have that player on our roster and I said if he were added, I’d prefer it was to the RB room rather than at the glut of receivers. Hall could potentially not only take a 5 yard pass to the house, but also a run where Motor gets 15. TDs and explosive plays are not luxuries.

Imagine where we force teams to put 8 in the box at times. I can’t recall many times where teams ever had 8 in the box vs Singletary. Imagine what Allen would do to defenses with a legitimately feared RB. If we had Derick Henry, nobody could stop us. We would likely have an undefeated season. 

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1 minute ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Imagine where we force teams to put 8 in the box at times. I can’t recall many times where teams ever had 8 in the box vs Singletary. Imagine what Allen would do to defenses with a legitimately feared RB. If we had Derick Henry, nobody could stop us. We would likely have an undefeated season. 


Why are you so keen in playing against the Bills strength in Josh and the passing game? Teams aren’t going to put 8 in the box regardless of who the running back is because Josh is throwing the ball or going to scramble. 

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Just now, Motor26 said:


Why are you so keen in playing against the Bills strength in Josh and the passing game? Teams aren’t going to put 8 in the box regardless of who the running back is because Josh is throwing the ball or going to scramble. 

I’m not keen in playing against the Bills strength, but I want to enhance the passing game by having a RB teams have to plan around. If we have a Derick Henry, teams will be forced to put 8 in the box, even with Josh throwing, they wouldn’t have a choice. If they don’t, they will get anaconda’d to death. 

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5 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Imagine where we force teams to put 8 in the box at times. I can’t recall many times where teams ever had 8 in the box vs Singletary. Imagine what Allen would do to defenses with a legitimately feared RB. If we had Derick Henry, nobody could stop us. We would likely have an undefeated season. 


LOL.

Elite franchise QB’s do not face 8 men boxes very often.  You don’t plan to stop the run opening up the passing game unless you’re playing a bad QB.

 

The Colts with Manning, James, Clark, Harrison and Wayne produced one Super Bowl.  Everyone can be stopped.

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2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:


LOL.

Elite franchise QB’s do not face 8 men boxes very often.  You don’t plan to stop the run opening up the passing game unless you’re playing a bad QB.

 

The Colts with Manning, James, Clark, Harrison and Wayne produced one Super Bowl.  Everyone can be stopped.

There has only been a few elite QB, elite RB combo in the history of the NFL. If we had Derick Henry on our team today, we would go undefeated. Guarantee it. Because teams would be forced to put 8 in the box even against an elite QB, and if they don’t, we just anaconda people to death. 

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On 4/25/2022 at 10:10 AM, PetermansRedemption said:

Absolutely, horrendous draft IMO. No good QBs and no elite talent anywhere. What a year to have a top 5 pick. What a year to be Detroit. You need a QB and it would be a massive reach to draft one high in this draft. Should make for an entertaining Thursday night though. No way to predict how this one is going to fall. 

 

It's not really a horrendous draft.

 

There are fewer than usual 1st round caliber players but the draft overall is considered quite deep.

 

On 4/25/2022 at 12:49 PM, section122 said:

These aren't rumors just some crazy things I have thought could happen that I want to get on paper lol.

 

Giants will trade down a couple times from that 7 pick.  Maybe 7 to 20 so Pitt can grab Willis and then 20 to 25 so Buffalo can get their guy.

 

Conversely, If a QB NYG likes slides (Willis maybe) I could see Bradberry or Toney and their 2nd getting packaged for 25.

 

 

I don't see a scenario where the Giants draft a QB. We'll see soon enough.

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4 hours ago, JayBaller10 said:

If the Bills select Hall, it’s because they believe he’s capable of catching a 5 yard pass and turning it into a 60 yard TD. They don’t currently have that player on the roster and Beane referenced needing that sort of talent. You can draft it at WR and add it to that group, but personally I’d rather have it at RB. He doesn’t have to carry it 25+ times a game.

Monster plays like that are such a rare occurrence for any RB though. JT was the only back with more than 2 carries of 40+ yards with 5, which still made up a measly 1.5% of his total attempts.  And not a single back had more than 2 catch and runs of 40+ yards. Putting a high value on being a “home run hitter” is majoring in something minor.

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2 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

And if you are grading production on a curve a late round option like Chandler who put up 6 ypa and 14 ypr in 2021 is a good example of a guy who excelled in a much better defensive conference.

 

It's common sense not to draft a RB in round 1..........there are a mountain of reasons why and tons of supporting evidence.    Bills haven't passed on one that went in round 1 in over 30 years and lived to regret it.    The only regrets are the one's they did take.

 

But a lot of folks actually think Singletary was a bad pick and desperately needs to be replaced..............and in reality he has produced above what you can expect from pick #72.......or may get from #25.   

 

And pick #72 is worth about 220 points of value in trade.  

 

Pick #25 is worth 720.

 

How much better than Singletary would a first round RB have to be to justify such a waste of value while also relegating Singletary to the bench?

 

 

Not sure it matters WHERE Singletary was picked. IMO we were a Najee Harris away from winning a super Bowl last year. Singletary is just not good enough to be counted on to run out the clock or make key first downs consistantly. We can't have to continue needing  Josh be our RB to close the games out, 

 

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5 hours ago, Garrett Williams said:

Not sure it matters WHERE Singletary was picked. IMO we were a Najee Harris away from winning a super Bowl last year. Singletary is just not good enough to be counted on to run out the clock or make key first downs consistantly. We can't have continue to need  Josh be our RB to close the games out, 

 

 

Najee Harris averaged almost a full yard per carry less than Devin Singletary last year.

 

He posted a 3.9 ypc in a league where the AVERAGE rush goes for 4.2.  

 

Najee is fun to watch not play well or make a difference though.    The jumping, etc..

 

 

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25 minutes ago, gobills404 said:

Monster plays like that are such a rare occurrence for any RB though. JT was the only back with more than 2 carries of 40+ yards with 5, which still made up a measly 1.5% of his total attempts.  And not a single back had more than 2 catch and runs of 40+ yards. Putting a high value on being a “home run hitter” is majoring in something minor.

Not arguing that plays over 40 yards happen frequently, but when a player has that skill set and needs to be accounted for, it absolutely forces a defense to play an offense differently. It’s why Beane wants that sort of player in his offense, the threat to take it the distance opens up other opportunities. By the way, I’m not advocating for RB in the first round, the gist of my posts is “if Beane wants this type of player in the offense, I’d rather he found it at the RB position than WR.” If Hall can be that guy, get him. It’s not a luxury.

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15 minutes ago, Garrett Williams said:

Not sure it matters WHERE Singletary was picked. IMO we were a Najee Harris away from winning a super Bowl last year. Singletary is just not good enough to be counted on to run out the clock or make key first downs consistantly. We can't have to continue needing  Josh be our RB to close the games out, 

 

Singletary is a solid RB2...

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17 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

"Draft is stronger outside the 1st round" Really? I don't think this is accurate by the very nature of the drafting process. 


onlupysbout 20 players have 1st round grades. Why use a 1st on a 2nd round caliber pkayer.

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58 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

There has only been a few elite QB, elite RB combo in the history of the NFL. If we had Derick Henry on our team today, we would go undefeated. Guarantee it. Because teams would be forced to put 8 in the box even against an elite QB, and if they don’t, we just anaconda people to death. 


Yikes 

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1 hour ago, IronMaidenBills said:

There has only been a few elite QB, elite RB combo in the history of the NFL. If we had Derick Henry on our team today, we would go undefeated. Guarantee it. Because teams would be forced to put 8 in the box even against an elite QB, and if they don’t, we just anaconda people to death. 


I don’t recall, did the Bills put 8 in the box when we played the Titans the last two years?

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1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said:


LOL.

Elite franchise QB’s do not face 8 men boxes very often.  You don’t plan to stop the run opening up the passing game unless you’re playing a bad QB.

 

The Colts with Manning, James, Clark, Harrison and Wayne produced one Super Bowl.  Everyone can be stopped.

When they face 6 man boxes they have to take advantage.  Forcing teams out of 2 high will open up more for Allen.  Im not wanting for Buffalo to be balanced.  I would like them to be more opportunistic when running.  Having the ability to run was the difference in both the Atlanta game and Jacksonville game.  The running game put the Atl game out of reach.  Not having that same element allowed Jacksonville to win the game.  

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1 hour ago, djp14150 said:


onlupysbout 20 players have 1st round grades. Why use a 1st on a 2nd round caliber pkayer.

Because if there's only 20 players with 1st Rd grades and you pick at 25....you have to pick someone? Do you forfeit your pick? People say to move back, but it takes two to tango

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