BillsFanForever19 Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 (edited) 21 minutes ago, billybrew1 said: That sounds horrible! At the very least we have to start a rookie CB but I was hoping to get someone better than Dane Jackson… We are in huge trouble at corner. Week one is going to be scary back there. And then at guard it’s the same thing. Ford has showed us time and again he is pretty bad and that’s all we got at RG… What do we do? Go: CB, CB, OG, WR, OG, P, LB? That’s asking a lot for a third rounder to start at RG. Maybe: CB, OL, CB, OL? Then you’re probably starting a third rounder at CB…. Plus, I really wanted a WR by the 2nd round this year. I don’t think we can afford to do that with almost zero corners and RGs… I'm not counting Ryan Bates leaving until we announce we aren't matching the Bears offer. If Bates comes back, I think our starting OL is set for this season and we're just looking for depth and development for next season. If we lose him, than our cap space goes from 2.98 to about 5.48 or so (as Bates tender has already been factored in). With that little extra space, I think we can find either a mid tier starting Guard or a cheaper vet CB that can hopefully be at least average for us until Tre is ready. Though I'd imagine we could find a Guard easier. A Gilmore, Bradberry type move isn't possible. Maybe Haden comes in for a few million, but even that is pushing it. But counting tea leaves, it's a Round 1 or 2 Draft Pick and Dane Jackson on the outside with Taron Johnson in the nickel, until Tre is ready. I'm not in the camp that a Round 1 CB can't be solid right out of the gate. I think there's a good chance that they could provide a lot more than any veteran in our price range. Edited March 25, 2022 by BillsFanForever19 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayboy54 Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 1 minute ago, billybrew1 said: What makes you say that? The NFL has an established time of approximately one year recovery from a torn ACL…. And sometimes it’s longer or the player takes a long time to feel comfortable. Some even lose their extreme speed. If Tre comes back in Late October and plays well that would be awesome…a great achievement by Tre… I don’t know where you come up with an established time. No two injuries are alike and neither are players’ commitment to rehab work. We have all seen some guys come back at 6 months. We have also seen guys like Teddy Bridgewater take 2 years. Maybe what you’re referring to is an average time stat. That’s a tough comparison as 350 lb linemen clearly have different physical challenges than backs, corners or receivers. So, I am saying that averages cannot apply to a given individual. It is obvious to me that Tre is driven. He’s driven to be the best. He’s driven to work harder. He will be driven to be ready. This is what makes me say that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 15 minutes ago, billybrew1 said: Why not because of Tre white? On schedule means next November…. It doesn't. https://www.sportsmd.com/2021/09/01/recovery-time-for-acl-surgery-timeline-tips-and-faqs/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAl2526 Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 I'm assuming Tre White will be fine. The need for another quality cornerback has nothing to do with his health. It is all about the Bills decision not to try and re-sign Levi Wallace. Jackson is a good depth cornerback but he's not someone you depend on as a starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfandBills Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 1 hour ago, Rocky Landing said: It doesn't. https://www.sportsmd.com/2021/09/01/recovery-time-for-acl-surgery-timeline-tips-and-faqs/ 9 months is the absolute minimum you see guys coming back and they aren’t 100% at that time. That puts Tre into week 1 of the season. He’s going to miss some time for sure. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In Summary Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 4 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: 9 months from the end of November would be end of August, not July Jost a note that per SOP in athletic treatment these days, his surgery occurred 3 weeks later, Dec. 15 or 16. So add 3 weeks - mid-September earliest It would much to assume that he'll start game 1, get full snaps, and run 17 games plus playoffs. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 3 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said: I'm not counting Ryan Bates leaving until we announce we aren't matching the Bears offer. If Bates comes back, I think our starting OL is set for this season and we're just looking for depth and development for next season. If we lose him, than our cap space goes from 2.98 to about 5.48 or so (as Bates tender has already been factored in). With that little extra space, I think we can find either a mid tier starting Guard or a cheaper vet CB that can hopefully be at least average for us until Tre is ready. Though I'd imagine we could find a Guard easier. A Gilmore, Bradberry type move isn't possible. Maybe Haden comes in for a few million, but even that is pushing it. But counting tea leaves, it's a Round 1 or 2 Draft Pick and Dane Jackson on the outside with Taron Johnson in the nickel, until Tre is ready. I'm not in the camp that a Round 1 CB can't be solid right out of the gate. I think there's a good chance that they could provide a lot more than any veteran in our price range. I have a feeling they never intend to keep Bates unless the Bears offered peanuts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 35 minutes ago, TBBills said: I have a feeling they never intend to keep Bates unless the Bears offered peanuts. This may be true. But you never know. Chicago's offer might not be that much more. And Beane's full of surprises. I agree, it's probably more likely we don't retain him. But I'm not counting that egg until it hatches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 2 hours ago, GolfandBills said: 9 months is the absolute minimum you see guys coming back and they aren’t 100% at that time. That puts Tre into week 1 of the season. He’s going to miss some time for sure. So...on what grounds do you disagree with this source? You posit such a concrete timeline, which does NOT align with the sourcehttps://www.sportsmd.com/2021/09/01/recovery-time-for-acl-surgery-timeline-tips-and-faqs/, so please help me understand why 9 months is more realistic that 6-8. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 Based on recent history he should be ready for camp and preseason but you never know. Sometimes players come back and favor the injured knee and suffer a different injury. I would bet on him being cleared by camp but we won’t know if he’s fully back until he gets some real football tests. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 I'd be surprised if Tre misses much of the season. 9 months for an elite athlete would be a slow rehab these days from an ACL (and his was described as a clean tear). I think the Bills will be cautious, that is their MO, but I don't see any scenario where Tre isn't on the field by week 5 at the absolute latest. He could very well play sooner than that. The need at corner is still there but I think some of the speculation Tre will miss half the season is way off base. 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritBill Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 2 hours ago, GunnerBill said: I The need at corner is still there but I think some of the speculation Tre will miss half the season is way off base. If it was the case White is looking at missing half a season I think we'd have seen a move at CB in free agency before now. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Costa Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 I actually think the Bills are getting Bradberry from the Giants. NJG clearly want the cap space and are in a rebuild. Bills are in a two year SB window. I have no idea what the compensation should or will be. May be a draft day trade where Bills give NJG pick #25 and Bills get Bradberry and pick #36. Not suggesting that’s the proper compensation. I stated earlier I want Steve Nelson but I think Bills are holding out for bradberry. We will see a Diggs extension just before it gets done 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfandBills Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 (edited) 12 hours ago, Richard Noggin said: So...on what grounds do you disagree with this source? You posit such a concrete timeline, which does NOT align with the sourcehttps://www.sportsmd.com/2021/09/01/recovery-time-for-acl-surgery-timeline-tips-and-faqs/, so please help me understand why 9 months is more realistic that 6-8. Thank you. https://orthonebraska.com/acl-recovery-time-and-nfl-athletes/ This is one of the articles i read. You can also research NFL players that had ACL injuries and most are at the 9+ month range for full recovery. Obviously there are differing opinions on this from people so maybe you should just embrace differing opinions and take everything into consideration instead of being a douche with your snide comments? Just a suggestion Edited March 25, 2022 by GolfandBills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 18 hours ago, oldmanfan said: I wonder if Tre is ahead of schedule on his ACL rehab. That might explain not going after a CB in free agency. Even if Tre is good to go week one we still need another stud on the opposite side 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocCityRoller Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 (edited) 10 hours ago, GunnerBill said: I don't see any scenario where Tre isn't on the field by week 5 at the absolute latest. He could very well play sooner than that. The need at corner is still there but I think some of the speculation Tre will miss half the season is way off base. Agree that September is tentative. Even if Tre is back in September, is he 'Tre White' immediately? Not sure who is saying half the year. I think October is reasonable to see the return of the Tre White we all love to root for. I do not want him to feel pressured to return too early. I do think we have seen NFL players (some on our own team) try to play through bad injuries or return faster than fully healed. I appreciate @Richard Noggin putting forth a solid study. According to that 6 of 10 athletes return to pre-injury function and Tre's work ethic, access to Bills staff and facilities, and the nature of his injury should help him in those odds. That said, Wallace is a loss, whether TSW was a big fan of him or not. Even with Wallace many wanted to see moves to upgrade CB the past 2 or so years. I am not comfortable potentially putting D Jackson and Cam Lewis on the boundaries in week 1-4 for a team with Super Bowl aspirations. I did like what I saw from Nick McCloud in last years pre-season, and Olaijah Griffin is in that mix too. If any position can be coached up by this team it is DB, but a lot of us would feel better with a steady vet addition. Seems odd none was added yet. Edited March 25, 2022 by RocCityRoller Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfandBills Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, RocCityRoller said: Agree that September is tentative. Even if Tre is back in September, is he 'Tre White' immediately? Not sure who is saying half the year. I think October is reasonable to see the return of the Tre White we all love to root for. I do not want him to feel pressured to return too early. I do think we have seen NFL players (some on our own team) try to play through bad injuries or return faster than fully healed. I appreciate @Richard Noggin putting forth a solid study. According to that 6 of 10 athletes return to pre-injury function and Tre's work ethic, access to Bills staff and facilities, and the nature of his injury should help him in those odds. That said, Wallace is a loss, whether TSW was a big fan of him or not. Even with Wallace many wanted to see moves to upgrade CB the past 2 or so years. I am not comfortable potentially putting D Jackson and Cam Lewis on the boundaries in week 1-4 for a team with Super Bowl aspirations. I did like what I saw from Nick McClow in last years pre-season, and Olaijah Griffin is in that mix too. If any position can be coached up by this team it is DB, but a lot of us would feel better with a steady vet addition. Seems odd none was added yet. The link he posted showed zero studies to NFL athletes. His article talks about going back to driving a car and sport never mentions NFL caliber athletes. Yeah maybe Billy down the street can go back to school and play at recess in 6-8 months but the movement NFL cornerbacks have to rely on is totally different then little Billy’s recovery time. You can easily find recovery times for other NFL players online and most of everything I’ve seen is 9 - 12 months before the player is back to around 100%. There are some outliers that came back a little earlier and some that came back later and some never recovered to previous form. I hope Tre is one the earlier outliers but I’m expecting he’ll miss some time in the regular season. Edited March 25, 2022 by GolfandBills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloMatt Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 Still need CBs - no depth 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 Didn't Beane mention Tre in his presser last week? I thought I remember him saying he seen Tre working hard in the building and he wouldn't be surprised to see him back a little ahead of schedule. It is almost certain Tre starts training camp on the PUP list and hopefully comes off just prior to the start of the season. I can't see them having Tre on the Reserve/PUP List to start the season. He would have to wait like 7 games. While we all are concerned about the CB situation I have faith that Beane and McDermott will have this worked out by camp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 Pretty sure he had it amputated at the neck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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