BillsFanNC Posted June 20, 2023 Author Share Posted June 20, 2023 @ChiGoose favorite loophole....there's a pending investigation...no longer! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 Hunter Biden to plead guilty to federal tax charges, strikes deal on gun charge Hunter Biden, the son of President Joe Biden, will plead guilty to two tax misdemeanors and struck a deal with federal prosecutors to resolve a felony gun charge, the Justice Department said Tuesday in court filings. As part of the plea agreement, the Justice Department has agreed to recommend a sentence of probation for the two counts of failing to pay taxes in a timely matter for the years 2017 and 2018, according to sources. Hunter Biden owed at least $100,000 in federal taxes for 2017, and at least $100,000 in 2018, but did not pay what was due to the Internal Revenue Service by the deadlines. A judge will have the final say on any sentence. https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/20/politics/hunter-biden/index.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Joe Ferguson forever Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 1 hour ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Hunter is a stooge, a rich kid from an entitled family. He dodged taxes on a million + that we know of, and broke gun laws at a time when gun violence is top of mind and heads roll for exactly this sort of thing. He and his father were protected by the IC when his laptop was discovered, a favor to an extraordinarily powerful and wealthy man. Meanwhile, he’s “painting” and being paid exorbitant figures for his work by immensely wealthy individuals and donors. So…he abuses the system, does all the rich guy things you guys are always complaining about (when not involving a liberal), f&@&s around with firearms, avoids jail time an average person would not and is financially whole or better. Yeah, liberal justice is truly colorblind. You gotta wonder why all this happens repeatedly, huh? 🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 57 minutes ago, redtail hawk said: Who said the justice system is fair? It can definitely be improved. There are crooked judges, rogue cops, crooked lawyers etc. Yup, you or I would be in jail for any of this stuff. Then consider what happens to people who can't afford a lawyer or are jailed for overdue fines and court costs they can't pay off. But this trump vs hunter comparison of justice is stupid. They'll likely both get off with hand slaps. Better than ignoring their crimes. I don’t know, who said the law is fair? I’ve always said people are above the law. Arguing otherwise is naive or purposefully obtuse. I’ve always said you like your inequity, your president who lies and gropes women, your “election was stolen” better than the Trump version, you’re “my guy only pilfered documents over decades and hid them in different spots” better than the other guy. It simply means you’re as full of cr@p as anyone else. I was just pointing that out. Glad we agree. It’s all good. 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 1 minute ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: I don’t know, who said the law is fair? I’ve always said people are above the law. Arguing otherwise is naive or purposefully obtuse. I’ve always said you like your inequity, your president who lies and gropes women, your “election was stolen” better than the Trump version, you’re “my guy only pilfered documents over decades and hid them in different spots” better than the other guy. It simply means you’re as full of cr@p as anyone else. I was just pointing that out. Glad we agree. It’s all good. yeah, not gonna try to unpack or diagram that argument. My mind refuses to function for a minute in that perverse way. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 See my earlier breakdown. It explains ALL of this. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 13 minutes ago, redtail hawk said: yeah, not gonna try to unpack or diagram that argument. My mind refuses to function for a minute in that perverse way. That’s why I’m here, to point it all out for you. You. Are. Welcome! 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Westside Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 1 hour ago, BillsFanNC said: Just allegation’s, nothing to see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 7 minutes ago, Westside said: Just allegation’s, nothing to see #slippage 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Joe Ferguson forever Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 1 hour ago, Westside said: Just allegation’s, nothing to see you guy's cite the "experts" that have the most convincing names... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 1 hour ago, B-Man said: “Implicated in” means nothing for sentencing and plea deals. If he wasn’t charged with it, it’s irrelevant. If you want to argue for stricter gun control, I’m 100% with you here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 4 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: “Implicated in” means nothing for sentencing and plea deals. If he wasn’t charged with it, it’s irrelevant. If you want to argue for stricter gun control, I’m 100% with you here. It matters to the extent people feel it matters. We’re not sentencing, nor are we negotiating plea deals. In fact, there are very few people involved in that part of the equation. We’re on the emotional side of the ledger, where we look at information available, we figure the relative value and what it means to us, and figure how it moves us to vote/opine one way or the other. Think the Russia-lusion dealio here, Chi. Back when Mueller said he wasn’t able to not unsay that Trump was or was not unguilty of, people applied emotion to whatever message he was trying to deliver. As for gun control, well the message has been sent that it ain’t all that big a deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L Ron Burgundy Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 1 hour ago, redtail hawk said: you guy's cite the "experts" that have the most convincing names... Yup. Twitter garbage is totally fine if it argues with your goofball narrative or wants. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 4 hours ago, redtail hawk said: Who said the justice system is fair? It can definitely be improved. There are crooked judges, rogue cops, crooked lawyers etc. Yup, you or I would be in jail for any of this stuff. Then consider what happens to people who can't afford a lawyer or are jailed for overdue fines and court costs they can't pay off. But this trump vs hunter comparison of justice is stupid. They'll likely both get off with hand slaps. Better than ignoring their crimes. Many have proclaimed the rule of law applies to everyone. Nobody is above the law. I'll give them credit for having the self-control to not even crack a smile while speaking the words much less fall on the floor rolling with laughter The bottom line is this Hunter deal pisses in the face of justice. Those flaws you cite are part of the system at various points, unfortunately. But generally small time players. But this stinks from the very top. The leader of the "free world". Posters that believe Joe is the second coming of Jesus can rationalize it any way they want. Never admit the guy is not infallible. Never open their eyes. And hope if they or somebody close to them gets in trouble their daddy is President of the US or the ruler of some 3rd world hell hole where he can direct his enforcers to order their release. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 4 hours ago, B-Man said: . No one cares about your right wing fantasies 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 39 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: Many have proclaimed the rule of law applies to everyone. Nobody is above the law. I'll give them credit for having the self-control to not even crack a smile while speaking the words much less fall on the floor rolling with laughter The bottom line is this Hunter deal pisses in the face of justice. Those flaws you cite are part of the system at various points, unfortunately. But generally small time players. But this stinks from the very top. The leader of the "free world". Posters that believe Joe is the second coming of Jesus can rationalize it any way they want. Never admit the guy is not infallible. Never open their eyes. And hope if they or somebody close to them gets in trouble their daddy is President of the US or the ruler of some 3rd world hell hole where he can direct his enforcers to order their release. I think the bottom is where most of the injustice happens. There are many more regular people in court rooms every day than ex politicians or politicians kids. been a character witness a couple times. My wife just showed up at the trial of a part time employee that was facing big trouble for a minor offense. The judge listened to her and gave probation. The sad people I saw in court the times I've been there were really pathetic (and mostly really stupid) for the most part. And the rulings seemed reasonable, as little as I know about the law. There are other factors at play here. An ex prez with a rabid, violent following and a moronic son of the current prez. Of course they're gonna be treated differently. They shouldn't be but just are. There are cultural considerations and questions of civil unrest re trump's trial. At the very top, things are different even if you are a scumbag. The rest of your argument is bs... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, redtail hawk said: I think the bottom is where most of the injustice happens. There are many more regular people in court rooms every day than ex politicians or politicians kids. been a character witness a couple times. My wife just showed up at the trial of a part time employee that was facing big trouble for a minor offense. The judge listened to her and gave probation. The sad people I saw in court the times I've been there were really pathetic (and mostly really stupid) for the most part. And the rulings seemed reasonable, as little as I know about the law. There are other factors at play here. An ex prez with a rabid, violent following and a moronic son of the current prez. Of course they're gonna be treated differently. They shouldn't be but just are. There are cultural considerations and questions of civil unrest re trump's trial. At the very top, things are different even if you are a scumbag. The rest of your argument is bs... The difference is the injustices at the bottom inflict more severe punishment while the President's son gets a pass because his dad and his enforcers and bagholders are as crooked as they come. Just the opposite. Rationalize it all you want. The FBI and DOJ are a disgrace. The President used his office for personal gain. I recall somebody telling me the other day that's what some other guy was guilty of and he got impeached for a phone call. Now that's the real BS here. At some point Karma will extract its vengeance. And I will smile. Edited June 20, 2023 by All_Pro_Bills 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 7 hours ago, Westside said: I know that! I asked if they had proof or just allegations. Just like you do when anyone brings up the biden crime family. I totally understand anyone can accuse anyone of anything. Just like you leftists accused Trump of russian collusion. Plus a myriad of other bogus charges. I do understand, I’m not sure if you do. BTW, you never responded to my message about having a beer together. I wonder if you would have a beer together with me if the situation arises. Absolutely west side. If you’re ever in the inland Empire area hit me up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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B-Man Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 The Intentionally Provocative Hunter Biden Plea Deal. Biden apologists have tried to minimize that transaction as a “lie and try” case, which they say is often not prosecuted. But such non-prosecution (though it shouldn’t happen) occurs because of what you’d infer from the “try” part — i.e., the liar got caught and failed to obtain the gun. Hunter’s case, to the contrary, is a lie and succeed case. He got the gun. What’s more, he was then seen playing with it while cavorting with an “escort” (see the New York Post’s pictorial, if you’ve got the stomach for it). Shortly afterwards, he and his then-paramour — Hallie Biden, the widow of his older brother — managed to lose the gun near a school (it was later found by someone else). Those are the kinds of gun cases that get charged by the Justice Department even if the suspect hasn’t, in addition, committed tax felonies by dodging taxes on the millions of dollars he was paid, apparently for being named Biden. Yet after refusing for years to appoint a special counsel despite the five-alarm conflict of interest attendant to investigating the president’s son ( . . . and family . . . and the president himself), the Biden Justice Department is permitting Hunter Biden to dispose of the case with misdemeanor tax charges that will allow for a probation sentence, and diversion — essentially, no prosecution — on the gun felony that would result in imprisonment for most Americans who engaged in similar conduct. Quite a deal. Last week, Trump was flirting with 60 percent in GOP primary polling after being indicted, with a 45-point lead in some surveys. Democrats seem bound and determined to get him to 70. https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/the-intentionally-provocative-hunter-biden-plea-deal/ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 "No one is above the law." 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 The Hunter Biden ‘controlled demolition’ is complete BY JONATHAN TURLEY FTA: The key was to get Hunter to plead to a couple of minor offenses with little or no jail time. The White House and the media could then declare the scandal over and insist that there is nothing more to discuss. Of course, there is a great deal more to discuss. For critics, the plea agreement looks like rushing to the scene of a bank robbery and giving the getaway driver a ticket for double parking. The House Oversight Committee has documented potentially millions in financial transfers from foreign sources to Biden family members. The labyrinth of LLC corporations and accounts used for the transfers seems designed to evade detection. Indeed, allegations from a trusted FBI source referenced payments that were being made to the Bidens without directly involving “the big guy.” That was the name allegedly used for President Biden after associates insisted that no one should use his name. Attorney General Merrick Garland took the most important step in pulling off the controlled demolition by steadfastly refusing to appoint a special counsel. Such an appointment would allow the release of a report that would detail the alleged corrupt practices of the Biden family and the knowledge and involvement of the president. It is the essential framing used in demolition to avoid broad blast effects. The second key is the charge. In buildings, you have to use just enough explosives to take out supports to collapse the structure in on itself. In scandals, it comes down to the criminal charges. You need an assortment of minor charges to suggest equal justice without anything large enough to cause collateral damage to others. It also has to be minor enough to get Hunter to take one for the team. The Hunter plea is the perfect charge load for the scandal. He will plead to a couple of misdemeanors on tax violations without addressing how he actually made this money. The gun charge looks like a serious threat for incarceration, but it is little more than a phantom felony count under which Hunter will be allowed to go into a diversion program and ultimately negate the violation. https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/4058616-the-hunter-biden-controlled-demolition-is-complete/ 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 Trump Pardons Roger Stone, Paul Manafort And Charles Kushner President Trump issued dozens more pardons on Wednesday evening to many wealthy and well-connected convicts with ties to his innermost circles, including former campaign chairman Paul Manafort, Republican operative Roger Stone and Charles Kushner, the father-in-law of Ivanka Trump. Manafort, who was sentenced to more than seven years in prison after being convicted of bank and tax fraud in addition to other crimes, was released in May from a minimum-security federal lockup and moved to home confinement over concerns about the coronavirus. But days before Stone, who is Trump's longtime friend and political confidant, was to report to prison in July, the president commuted the 40-month prison sentence. https://www.npr.org/2020/12/23/949820820/trump-pardons-roger-stone-paul-manafort-and-charles-kushner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 52 minutes ago, B-Man said: The Hunter Biden ‘controlled demolition’ is complete BY JONATHAN TURLEY FTA: The key was to get Hunter to plead to a couple of minor offenses with little or no jail time. The White House and the media could then declare the scandal over and insist that there is nothing more to discuss. Of course, there is a great deal more to discuss. For critics, the plea agreement looks like rushing to the scene of a bank robbery and giving the getaway driver a ticket for double parking. The House Oversight Committee has documented potentially millions in financial transfers from foreign sources to Biden family members. The labyrinth of LLC corporations and accounts used for the transfers seems designed to evade detection. Indeed, allegations from a trusted FBI source referenced payments that were being made to the Bidens without directly involving “the big guy.” That was the name allegedly used for President Biden after associates insisted that no one should use his name. Attorney General Merrick Garland took the most important step in pulling off the controlled demolition by steadfastly refusing to appoint a special counsel. Such an appointment would allow the release of a report that would detail the alleged corrupt practices of the Biden family and the knowledge and involvement of the president. It is the essential framing used in demolition to avoid broad blast effects. The second key is the charge. In buildings, you have to use just enough explosives to take out supports to collapse the structure in on itself. In scandals, it comes down to the criminal charges. You need an assortment of minor charges to suggest equal justice without anything large enough to cause collateral damage to others. It also has to be minor enough to get Hunter to take one for the team. The Hunter plea is the perfect charge load for the scandal. He will plead to a couple of misdemeanors on tax violations without addressing how he actually made this money. The gun charge looks like a serious threat for incarceration, but it is little more than a phantom felony count under which Hunter will be allowed to go into a diversion program and ultimately negate the violation. https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/4058616-the-hunter-biden-controlled-demolition-is-complete/ well orchestrated and executed. The useful idiots will sigh, laugh, and shrug and say oops he missed some filings and is paying the price. they don’t want to know the rest of the story, they don’t ever want to think about why those payments are happening to begin with. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 24 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: well orchestrated and executed. The useful idiots will sigh, laugh, and shrug and say oops he missed some filings and is paying the price. they don’t want to know the rest of the story, they don’t ever want to think about why those payments are happening to begin with. Actually, the vast majority of people on the left don’t give a rats ass about Hunter Biden. If he’s dirty, get him. Just remember that it was a Trump prosecutor who drove this case and this is all he found. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 5 hours ago, ChiGoose said: Actually, the vast majority of people on the left don’t give a rats ass about Hunter Biden. If he’s dirty, get him. Just remember that it was a Trump prosecutor who drove this case and this is all he found. That is the whole point, none of you are intellectually curious enough to scratch your head and ask ‘why’ is this dumbass crack head is getting paid all this money to begin with?? Wtf is he selling ?? What possible reason was he seated on the board of a Ukrainian pg&e? Tax evasion was the thing they ‘found’, on Capone too, I suppose he too was otherwise a stand up businessman? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted June 21, 2023 Author Share Posted June 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: That is the whole point, none of you are intellectually curious enough to scratch your head and ask ‘why’ is this dumbass crack head is getting paid all this money to begin with?? Wtf is he selling ?? What possible reason was he seated on the board of a Ukrainian pg&e? Useful idiots performing as they are told. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted June 21, 2023 Author Share Posted June 21, 2023 Here's your white privilege that commies will be silent about.... @redtail hawk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted June 21, 2023 Author Share Posted June 21, 2023 Will there be accountability? Of course not. More "strong language" and toothless demands incoming from an incompetent and nearly as corrupt GOP. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Doc Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 3 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: That is the whole point, none of you are intellectually curious enough to scratch your head and ask ‘why’ is this dumbass crack head is getting paid all this money to begin with?? Wtf is he selling ?? What possible reason was he seated on the board of a Ukrainian pg&e? Tax evasion was the thing they ‘found’, on Capone too, I suppose he too was otherwise a stand up businessman? It's funny to hear them parrot the "Shokin was fired because he wasn't looking into corruption"...and then no corruption was found involving him or anyone else after he was fired. And they say Trump has a cult... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 3 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: That is the whole point, none of you are intellectually curious enough to scratch your head and ask ‘why’ is this dumbass crack head is getting paid all this money to begin with?? Wtf is he selling ?? What possible reason was he seated on the board of a Ukrainian pg&e? Tax evasion was the thing they ‘found’, on Capone too, I suppose he too was otherwise a stand up businessman? He’s getting paid because his last name is Biden. It’s gross, but that doesn’t make it a crime. None of the “evidence” so far establishes that Joe Biden was involved. The quality of the accusations at this point is about as convincing as the Trump pee tape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 31 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: He’s getting paid because his last name is Biden. It’s gross, but that doesn’t make it a crime. None of the “evidence” so far establishes that Joe Biden was involved. The quality of the accusations at this point is about as convincing as the Trump pee tape. Ironic as the pee pee tape was ran by the left as fact and used to spy on the opposition party. All while knowing it was opposition research. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 (edited) 57 minutes ago, Chris farley said: Ironic as the pee pee tape was ran by the left as fact Not ironic. Exactly my point. Thank you. Edited June 21, 2023 by ChiGoose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 59 minutes ago, Chris farley said: Ironic as the pee pee tape was ran by the left as fact and used to spy on the opposition party. All while knowing it was opposition research. Pizzagate is laughing at you. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 2 hours ago, ChiGoose said: He’s getting paid because his last name is Biden. It’s gross, but that doesn’t make it a crime. None of the “evidence” so far establishes that Joe Biden was involved. The quality of the accusations at this point is about as convincing as the Trump pee tape. it’s gross, corrupt, unethical at a minimum… and yes corruption is really really hard to prosecute as a crime, especially when political operatives are careful. But that shouldn’t stop us all from seeing what’s happening and rejecting it unilaterally. So many of these lifelong politicians have no good explanation for their immense wealth. and we all absolutely know, companies aren’t paying hunter just for his last name unless that last name translates to something worth all that money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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