Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 4 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: Take the L with some dignity, Hap. Admit it........you thought $4M/yr was a good deal.........that's why you were mad. I clearly stated that "if" the numbers were correct............we didn't notice you shouting down people who were saying it was a great deal at only $4M per year now, did we? Want me to take an "L"? Stand and Deliver. Show where I said anything that can be reasonably construed that way. Spoiler: you can't. Not being found "Shouting other people down" when the details of a contract aren't known yet does not in any way show what I think. It shows I have patience and sense and am gonna wait until the details are known to opine. Let's review what you said to me: "If you don't think handing a 2 year $8M deal to an undersized 6th year receiver who can't handle kick return duties and is coming off 15 active games with only 178 yards receiving on the season is an over pay...............then you aren't very good at math........so maybe having a clock you have to set manually isn't right for you. " Nothing in there about IF the deal as reported is true, or IF the deal as reported is really structured with a $4M cap hit this season or even $4M guaranteed overall - just about what you think I think (Spoiler: you don't know that either, and your reading comprehension seems to need an exercise plan) And to someone else who pointed out that the McK cap hit wasn't gonna be $4M this season, let's wait for the details: "Oh I'd guess that the McKenzie cap hit is only $2M or so in 2022 but that there will be dead money if cut after the season...........and they are already going to be borrowing money against the 2023 cap........and I expect that they will likely want to move on from Dirty after this season. At least I'd hope they'd find a couple WR in this draft that they think are keepers." Again, nothing in there about IF the deal as initially reported is correct....and actual contract has minimal dead cap of $300k next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 50 minutes ago, NewEra said: I think this just shows that he was 💯 correct in saying 2 years 8M was absolutely an overpay Well, being that it never happened…. It was a knee jerk reaction, knowingly spoken with out knowing what was real and what wasn’t. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 5 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: Take the L with some dignity, Hap. Admit it........you thought $4M/yr was a good deal.........that's why you were mad. I clearly stated that "if" the numbers were correct............we didn't notice you shouting down people who were saying it was a great deal at only $4M per year now, did we? All I saw when looking back was a bunch of people responding to your negative reaction with "it'd be smarter to wait until the actual numbers are out."(funny how that turned out) You then proceeded to have an argument with...yourself/hypothetical alternate version of the people that responded to you about 4 million per year being a bad deal. ...so congratulations you won your hypothetical argument with yourself. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BADOLBILZ Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 7 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Stand and Deliver. Show where I said anything that can be reasonably construed that way. Spoiler: you can't. Note how you criticize me for commenting on the reported numbers..........after about 4 pages of people already commenting on reported numbers. Ahem. Then you say I am ranting and emotional because I said "if" the numbers were correct.........that I thought $4M was about $1.25M more than Beane would give him. There was nothing emotional or unmeasured about my take. Again.......where is all the criticism of everyone else commenting on the deal? And I wasn't the only one who said it would have been an overpay.........why weren't you snarking at @MrEpsYtown or @Buffalo716? There was no reason for you to jump into the thread to cheap shot at me..........but you did..........because you are a hater. Pure emotional over-reaction on your part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 Lil dirty cheap contact. Can't believe that price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 Thought these articles off Buffalo Rumblings were of interest here. All 22 review of Beasle https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2022/2/11/22924699/all-22-year-in-review-buffalo-bills-wr-cole-beasley All 22 review of McKenzie https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2022/2/11/22924597/all-22-year-in-review-buffalo-bills-wr-isaiah-mckenzie Both are captioned "all-22-year-in-review" but both are pretty well focused on 1 game. For example, the McKenzie review focuses on the plethora of crossing routes he ran in the 2nd NWE game as representing what routes the Bills think McKenzie can run, where really I think as Cover1 points out, McKenzie told Daboll about Bryant "“He’s playing off and outside, let me run away from him.” Daboll listened, and the Bills offense took the attitude "we're gonna do it until you prove you can stop it" McKenzie has a limited number of games where he meets the standard to be charted, but in the very next game you can see him running a broader route vocabulary. So that kind of conclusion is a bit shallow and disappointing IMHO. My Key Takeaways: 1) Beasley affects the game, even when he doesn't get the ball, in a way that McKenzie has yet to show he can do 2) OTOH, McKenzie affects the game with his speed, even when he doesn't get the ball, in a way Beasley can't. McKenzie isn't a Beasley replacement but he brings different skills to the table 3) Both players on "get him the ball quickly" plays, suffered last year from blocking problems downfield, which may be play design issues where defenders were on the watch and not worried about being burnt elsewhere (for various reasons, including OL breakdowns, lack of credible run threat, and homogenous WR skillsets) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 35 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: And to someone else who pointed out that the McK cap hit wasn't gonna be $4M this season, let's wait for the details: "Oh I'd guess that the McKenzie cap hit is only $2M or so in 2022 but that there will be dead money if cut after the season...........and they are already going to be borrowing money against the 2023 cap........and I expect that they will likely want to move on from Dirty after this season. At least I'd hope they'd find a couple WR in this draft that they think are keepers." Again, nothing in there about IF the deal as initially reported is correct....and actual contract has minimal dead cap of $300k next year. And btw........yes, there will be dead money and the cap hit is around $2M. So how was this wrong again? Just take the L. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 54 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: It's not what he says, it's how and when he says it. Like, 1) before the details are out 2) ranting and Emo, other people can't do math or use clocks blah blah 🤷♂️. For a dude who wants to be taken as an authority, makes him look foolish. JMO. Even if the deal had turned out to be $8M overall, how it was structured and what was guaranteed would make all the difference - as has been detailed elsewhere, a lot of those "big number deals" aren't All That when you look at what's guaranteed and what's due when. Lol. For sure. We all know Badol will be Badol. I’m glad that I agree with most of what he’s said over the past year. Saved me a lot of time going back and forth. My 👀 went 😳 when I saw 2 years 8M. I was happy to have him back, but on the surface, those numbers were an overpay imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 6 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: And btw........yes, there will be dead money and the cap hit is around $2M. So how was this wrong again? Just take the L. You can take the "W" since it appears to be of such great importance to you, I won't continue this I note that you failed to demonstrate anything amounting to 'I believe that $4M/yr was a good deal' - because you can't The point of the above quoted was a second case where you were not caveating "IF the deal is as reported" as you claim, when responding to someone else who just quietly said "let's wait for the details" I will leave just who snarked at whom, and who is indulging in "pure emotional over reaction" as an exercise for any intelligent reader who cares - a number that is likely smaller than you appear to believe at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BADOLBILZ Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: You can take the "W" since it appears to be of such great importance to you, I won't continue this I note that you failed to demonstrate anything amounting to 'I believe that $4M/yr was a good deal' - because you can't The point of the above quoted was a second case where you were not caveating "IF the deal is as reported" as you claim, when responding to someone else who just quietly said "let's wait for the details" I will leave just who snarked at whom, and who is indulging in "pure emotional over reaction" as an exercise for any intelligent reader who cares - a number that is likely smaller than you appear to believe at this point. Yeah I just assumed that you irrationally taking great offense to me saying that it was an over pay IF the numbers were correct that you were OK with $4M...........because we'd already established that it was an IF scenario.............otherwise, why single me out for criticism with so many others commenting on the quality of a deal with those parameters? The answer is because you just wanted to take a cheap shot at me. Perhaps clarify your actual criticism next time if you don't want to be called out for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 11 minutes ago, NewEra said: Lol. For sure. We all know Badol will be Badol. I’m glad that I agree with most of what he’s said over the past year. Saved me a lot of time going back and forth. My 👀 went 😳 when I saw 2 years 8M. I was happy to have him back, but on the surface, those numbers were an overpay imo. Yeah I don't take it personal when people who have grudges against me jump in to take a cheap shot. That's just funny. A lot of people hate Happless too.........they are just afraid to tell her so because she's a mod........which adds perceived weight to jumping into a thread and taking a vague cheap shot at me for an innocuous and measured take. I'm not afraid..........I call it like it is. WAY too much exercise by people in this thread for a point I was absolutely correct about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 9 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: Yeah I don't take it personal when people who have grudges against me jump in to take a cheap shot. That's just funny. A lot of people hate Happless too.........they are just afraid to tell her so because she's a mod........which adds perceived weight to jumping into a thread and taking a vague cheap shot at me for an innocuous and measured take. I'm not afraid..........I call it like it is. WAY too much exercise by people in this thread for a point I was absolutely correct about. You may not take it personal but you surely do get personal and seem to hold grudges. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: How'd we not get the McKenzi WR motivational speech in the Pats playoff game Mic'd up? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 43 minutes ago, NewEra said: You may not take it personal but you surely do get personal and seem to hold grudges. Just wanted to say, wouldn't that be taking it personal? if is getting personal and holding grudges, then it kinda would seem like taking it personal Lol.... Not important obviously, just couldn't resist tossing my 2 cents in the wishing well lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 2 minutes ago, Sheneneh Jenkins said: Just wanted to say, wouldn't that be taking it personal? if is getting personal and holding grudges, then it kinda would seem like taking it personal Lol.... Not important obviously, just couldn't resist tossing my 2 cents in the wishing well lol They do sometimes go hand in hand. He says he doesn’t take it personally so I’m not going debate it. 😊 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LyndonvilleBill Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 11 minutes ago, Sheneneh Jenkins said: Just wanted to say, wouldn't that be taking it personal? if is getting personal and holding grudges, then it kinda would seem like taking it personal Lol.... Not important obviously, just couldn't resist tossing my 2 cents in the wishing well lol Due to inflation, it's now 25 cents.🤣 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 20 hours ago, Pete said: Or trade. Cole for Saquon would be nice Sure, but dont think the giants make that deal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Coach Tuesday Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 The Jets just re-signed Berrios for 2 years $12M. Better receiver than Mac and can also return kicks. Would've much preferred that signing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 1 hour ago, NewEra said: You may not take it personal but you surely do get personal and seem to hold grudges. I really don't take it personal...........some people figure out that I'm just reflecting their negativity back at them..........others don't see their hypocrisy. It's the internet, self awareness is in very short supply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 22 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Amazing despite McDermott apparently "pushing" people away he still really wanted to be here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Patrick Duffy Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: After the cheers began to settle a bit and taking it all in...If that's true and not joking around with him (which they do often with each other), wonder what went through his mind about that? Like maybe, "the F/O, coaches etc may not have as much confidence in me if it took some persuading from other team mates"? Anyways, I'm likely reading too much into it and Diggs was kidding around as they all usually do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 20 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: I really don't take it personal...........some people figure out that I'm just reflecting their negativity back at them..........others don't see their hypocrisy. It's the internet, self awareness is in very short supply. Like I said, I’m not disputing whether or not you take it personally or not. I recall several instances in which you call out certain posters in threads that they aren’t even involved in. I see that as a grudge. **** I do it too, I don’t think it’s a big deal. It’s something that happens in a community such as this one. I was just pointing out that you get personal about others and hold grudges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 1 hour ago, Sheneneh Jenkins said: Just wanted to say, wouldn't that be taking it personal? if is getting personal and holding grudges, then it kinda would seem like taking it personal Lol.... Not important obviously, just couldn't resist tossing my 2 cents in the wishing well lol No, it's "taking it internet". I learned decades ago that when I express an unpopular take.............like "John Butler is making some terrible salary cap decisions that are going to result in a roster tear down".............I will receive hate and vitriol for telling an unpopular truth. I could take it serious and get mad about it...........or accept that people act very irrationally and hyper-emotionally on the internet and turn that negativity around on them or make light of it........sometimes I even have to take a personal shot at someone to get them to put their sh*t in perspective or not be so serious about themselves. You are a different matter than most..............you got mad at me because I made a general statement that smoking was a bad health choice.........which is accepted as fact. It wasn't directed at you but you made it about you because you choose to smoke and don't think it's a bad choice. I don't know what to tell ya' bout that but that's entirely a you issue..........being mad at me about that makes no sense. Stop grudging. You can do dumb things but not be the village idiot. See Brandon Beane signing Star Lotulelei. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: You are a different matter than most..............you got mad at me because I made a general statement that smoking was a bad health choice.........which is accepted as fact. It wasn't directed at you but you made it about you because you choose to smoke and don't think it's a bad choice. I don't know what to tell ya' bout that but that's entirely a you issue..........being mad at me about that makes no sense. Stop grudging. You can do dumb things but not be the village idiot. See Brandon Beane signing Star Lotulelei Yeah I membah...I never had any grudge though and continued to discuss certain things with you in a civil manner. I do acknowledge I was packing a solid high that particular day and likely took it the wrong way. Either way, no grudges here.....🙂 Edited March 14, 2022 by Sheneneh Jenkins 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draconator Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 31 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: 1 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 23 minutes ago, NewEra said: Like I said, I’m not disputing whether or not you take it personally or not. I recall several instances in which you call out certain posters in threads that they aren’t even involved in. I see that as a grudge. **** I do it too, I don’t think it’s a big deal. It’s something that happens in a community such as this one. I was just pointing out that you get personal about others and hold grudges. That's just me having fun..........the site is about entertainment. I take very little in life seriously, but because I tell it like it is.....and bluntly.......I am going to be INEVITABLY portrayed as a bad guy on a fan site........so I don't mind playing the heel and being boastful etc.. when need be. I prefer to talk objectively and in detail about the team........but when there isn't that there is still entertainment in the site. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In Summary Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 22 hours ago, 17islongenough said: I wonder if Daboll didn't like using him on offense and that was the riff with Beane Seems he would have a fan in Ken Dorsey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Areola Grande Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 22 hours ago, JGMcD2 said: Can we change the title? It’s wrong. He’s signed for $8M total. $4M/year Yeah... that's a pretty shoddy job to mess it up. Makes when the details come out and how it's structured pretty important since we're really up against it. That said, I'm happy as a clam. I don't think we've seen even close to the best of him yet. And from the looks of things, he really wanted to stay here and didn't really find the oft-awaited prospect of "exploring his value on the market" that exciting. Mentioned 3-4 times that he wants to be catching Allen's throws. That said, obviously it's a game of "take with grain of salt" world with what they say on their soap boxes, especially so with the Bills. I just really like the guy and get a little giddy every time I see him in pre-snap motion... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 3 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: That's just me having fun..........the site is about entertainment. I take very little in life seriously, but because I tell it like it is.....and bluntly.......I am going to be INEVITABLY portrayed as a bad guy on a fan site........so I don't mind playing the heel and being boastful etc.. when need be. I prefer to talk objectively and in detail about the team........but when there isn't that there is still entertainment in the site. Maybe at times many of us are just having fun or giving ppl a hard time in a harmless manner, it might can be helpful if we can add a "Lol" ending the particular statement sometimes that one might take personal...Lol, I know I've done it a few times myself when joking or giving someone a hard time and received an angry, insulting response. Unless of course the sole purpose is intentionally getting one angry for entertainment lol. And I will admit that can be fun at times when doing it to certain posters that are the type to basically deserve it. I also tell it like it is as you say, or at least tell it like it appears or as we think it is anyway. Most times I try to be clear I'm not intending to be an ass. Although as I said, there are a few posters I don't and purposely try to get their feathers ruffled for a good chuckle. Anyways, whatever the case, I guess you pretty much know what I mean. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
without a drought Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 2 years $44mil seems a little high. nevermind, I thought there was something on my screen, $4.4mil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JoshAllin Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 Besides reading some of the neg comments on here, I never really had a doubt they'd bring him back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 9 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Sounds like we got a hometown discount 8 hours ago, Sheneneh Jenkins said: After the cheers began to settle a bit and taking it all in...If that's true and not joking around with him (which they do often with each other), wonder what went through his mind about that? Like maybe, "the F/O, coaches etc may not have as much confidence in me if it took some persuading from other team mates"? Anyways, I'm likely reading too much into it and Diggs was kidding around as they all usually do. You're reading way too much into it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 1 minute ago, transplantbillsfan said: Sounds like we got a hometown discount Bean had a brilliant if unorthodox strategy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 Just now, Warcodered said: Bean had a brilliant if unorthodox strategy. Regardless... I honestly think he could be an integral part of our offense the next couple years (and beyond since he wants to be here?) in this offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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