Bills FA rumors thread

[Rc2catch]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Saffold and Jones help improve stoutness of the lines. We've been soft in the middle of the lines. One of our biggest weaknesses.

 

I came into the offseason looking to improve stoutness, sacks, and YAC.

 

Still work to do obviously.

Saffold might not be what he was but he will not be tossed around like a rag doll by Chris Jones or Cam Heyward all game long so we’re already ahead of previous years imo 

[Einstein's Dog]

5 minutes ago, Virgil said:

 

Gronk hasn't been a money guy for a few years now.  I don't think his deal will be in the same ball park as these other guys.  I wouldn't be surprised to see a base of 5 mil with incentives

 

Has he done anything?  Granted, he doesn't play for a real NFL team, but still....

I would be very surprised to see Gronk go for $5M.  $5M wouldn't get you Ian Thomas.

 

Gronk played for around $8M last season which was around market value then.  Now the market has sky rocketed and is North of $11M.  I'd rather have Gronk then Njoku/J Smith/Ertz/Tonyan.  I think the Bills have to go at least that high to even have a chance, there's TN, Cincy, and Tampa who could be in the mix.

 

[ndirish1978]

44 minutes ago, Virgil said:

 

Gronk hasn't been a money guy for a few years now.  I don't think his deal will be in the same ball park as these other guys.  I wouldn't be surprised to see a base of 5 mil with incentives

 

Has he done anything?  Granted, he doesn't play for a real NFL team, but still....

 

Brady is back so he will sign with TB, 

[Coach Tuesday]

1 hour ago, BillsVet said:

Interesting to see the first moves in the new league year were to re-sign a gadget WR, a new guard, and 2 DT's.  

 

Not arguing with the Saffold signing, but the other 3 signings are just...Billsy.  Or, should I say...McCoach-esque.  

 

Would imagine more moves will be made, but interior OL/DL and gadget WR's are not the reason this team lost 2 years running to KC.  If they're still following the McCoach team-building approach it'll fail even with a franchise QB. 

Lost a guard, signed a guard.  Lost a DT, signed a DT.  The other DT (Settle), if you squint enough it’s basically the Quinton Jefferson scouting report from 2020.  The OBD personnel guys are water-treading Olympians.

[4merper4mer]

1 minute ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Lost a guard, signed a guard.  Lost a DT, signed a DT.  The other DT (Settle), if you squint enough it’s basically the Quinton Jefferson scouting report from 2020.  The OBD personnel guys are water-treading Olympians.

I’m shocked that you’re putting a negative spin on something.

[Coach Tuesday]

Just now, 4merper4mer said:

I’m shocked that you’re putting a negative spin on something.

I’m shocked that your computer wasn’t confiscated after the last thread you started.

[That's No Moon]

3 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Lost a guard, signed a guard.  Lost a DT, signed a DT.  The other DT (Settle), if you squint enough it’s basically the Quinton Jefferson scouting report from 2020.  The OBD personnel guys are water-treading Olympians.

The danger of perpetually thinking you are close.

[Logic]

6 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Lost a guard, signed a guard.  Lost a DT, signed a DT.  The other DT (Settle), if you squint enough it’s basically the Quinton Jefferson scouting report from 2020.  The OBD personnel guys are water-treading Olympians.

 

The Bills are the 2022 AFC Super Bowl favorites. Already. Just as they are. Free agency hasn't even technically started yet. But by all means, let's complain about the best front office we've had in a quarter century. 

 

[BillsVet]

 

7 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Lost a guard, signed a guard.  Lost a DT, signed a DT.  The other DT (Settle), if you squint enough it’s basically the Quinton Jefferson scouting report from 2020.  The OBD personnel guys are water-treading Olympians.

 

I can see the argument that'll be offered...that Buffalo lacked the cap space to maneuver this off-season.  Of course, a closer inspection would reveal that poor UFA decisions in previous off-seasons inhibited their ability for this one.  

 

For all the plaudits Beane and company receive, they really just tread water like you note.  

[Coach Tuesday]

3 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

 

 

I can see the argument that'll be offered...that Buffalo lacked the cap space to maneuver this off-season.  Of course, a closer inspection would reveal that poor UFA decisions in previous off-seasons inhibited their ability for this one.  

 

For all the plaudits Beane and company receive, they really just tread water like you note.  

Beane got us a QB.  The rest of his work has been Guntekustesque.  
 

Hey I just won TSW scrabble!

Edited March 15, 2022 by Coach Tuesday

[junior]

6 minutes ago, That's No Moon said:

The danger of perpetually thinking you are close.

 

9 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Lost a guard, signed a guard.  Lost a DT, signed a DT.  The other DT (Settle), if you squint enough it’s basically the Quinton Jefferson scouting report from 2020.  The OBD personnel guys are water-treading Olympians.

 

Would you two prefer we replace a guard with a traffic cone and a DT with a rock? When holes open up on a roster, you replace them with someone who you think can perform better. Plus free agency hasn't even started, meaning we still have plenty of time to fix other holes. Would love to see the off-season master plan you've concocted lol.

 

Tf 

[BillsVet]

Just now, Logic said:

The Bills are the 2022 AFC Super Bowl favorites. Already. Just as they are. Free agency hasn't even technically started yet. But by all means, let's complain about the best front office we've had in a quarter century. 

 

To quote Dennis Green, "if you want to crown them, then crown their a**!"

 

Don't care about your opinion re: the front office.  No one's giving trophies out to franchises for best front office of the past 25 years.  You get trophies for winning, which means signing the right players to fit a scheme that out-does opponents.  

[BillsFanForever19]

Laughing at the inevitable posts coming in from people who had unreal expectations, think the salary cap "means nothing", and that believe just because there's restructures and extensions that COULD be done to clear space that it was an automatic that every single one WOULD be done and at the snap of a finger.

Edited March 15, 2022 by BillsFanForever19

[billsfan1959]

Just now, Coach Tuesday said:

Beane got us a QB.  The rest of it has been Guntekustesque.  Hey I just won TSW scrabble!

So, what you’re saying is that Beane, in the most critical decision a GM will make in today’s NFL - finding a franchise QB - hit it out of the park? 

[SCBills]

1 hour ago, BillsVet said:

Interesting to see the first moves in the new league year were to re-sign a gadget WR, a new guard, and 2 DT's.  

 

Not arguing with the Saffold signing, but the other 3 signings are just...Billsy.  Or, should I say...McCoach-esque.  

 

Would imagine more moves will be made, but interior OL/DL and gadget WR's are not the reason this team lost 2 years running to KC.  If they're still following the McCoach team-building approach it'll fail even with a franchise QB. 

Consensus amongst NFL folks is that we:

 

-Upgraded the OL with Saffold over Williams

 

-Upgraded the IDL with Jones/Settle replacing Harry/Butler

 

McKenzie was signed to a team friendly deal, clearly to be WR4, and the Morse extension makes all the sense in the world.

 

I struggle to see what people are complaining about in regards to these moves..  Who, that signed today, did you want? 
 

Cinci and LAC got much better in certain areas, but they have rookie QB money that BUF/KC do not.  
 

[Logic]

1 minute ago, BillsVet said:

 

To quote Dennis Green, "if you want to crown them, then crown their a**!"

 

Don't care about your opinion re: the front office.  No one's giving trophies out to franchises for best front office of the past 25 years.  You get trophies for winning, which means signing the right players to fit a scheme that out-does opponents.  

 

 

So do they get any credit for building a team that has been to the playoffs four out of five seasons after not going for 17 years and are once again Super Bowl favorites, or nah?

 

Do all 30 GMs whose teams don't make the Super Bowl each year suck, too, or is it just Beanie and co?

 

[Coach Tuesday]

2 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

So, what you’re saying is that Beane, in the most critical decision a GM will make in today’s NFL - finding a franchise QB - hit it out of the park? 

Yup, that’s what I’m saying.  But his legacy will be measured in Lombardis and if he squanders that franchise QB’s legacy by running the team like a used car dealership on Sheridan, history won’t judge him kindly.

[Success]

5 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

 

To quote Dennis Green, "if you want to crown them, then crown their a**!"

 

Don't care about your opinion re: the front office.  No one's giving trophies out to franchises for best front office of the past 25 years.  You get trophies for winning, which means signing the right players to fit a scheme that out-does opponents.  

 

Which our braintrust has done, emphatically.  

 

It's not a formula.  You build one of the best teams, you win games, you get a high seed in the playoffs - then you hope for a little luck. Because getting through the playoffs & getting the prize usually relies on that.

 

Beane & his staff have done an outstanding job turning this team into one of the top contenders.

 

[BillsVet]

57 minutes ago, Sheneneh Jenkins said:

The AFCCG loss the interior OL was definitely a good part of reason that game was lost. I clearly recall KC blowing through on a consistent basis making Allen's day a very miserable one.

 

The recent playoff loss couple months ago was obviously coaches doing as I'm sure you're aware has been discussed more than enough. I agree with you they need to somehow work numbers etc out to get a solid player in a position of need that can possibly get them where they need to be. But it's well known the cap situation and certain things have to be adjusted to make moves for any impact type player and that could take a more than the 1st few hours of day 1 of F/A.

 

The cap situation is a self-made issue.  As others have said, notably @BADOLBILZ they've inked some guys who were vastly overpaid and now that's impacting the cap.  OBD has no one to blame but themselves.  

 

My point remains: prioritizing their first contracts on guys who'll play less than 50% of the snaps is bizarre...provided those contracts are not classic Beane/McCoach overpaying at positions of less importance (DT, LB).  

 

 

 

 

[billsfan1959]

Just now, Coach Tuesday said:

Yup, that’s what I’m saying.  But his legacy will be measured in Lombardis and if he squanders that franchise QB’s legacy by running the team like a used car dealership on Sheridan, history won’t judge him kindly.

Well thank goodness he gave you Josh Allen so that he’ll have a number of chances to bring that Lombardi trophy to Buffalo.

 

Just out of curiosity, were you on board with the draft capital he gave up to get Allen, and the selection of Allen itself, or did you write pretty much the same type of critiques you are writing now?

[That's No Moon]

19 minutes ago, junior said:

 

 

Would you two prefer we replace a guard with a traffic cone and a DT with a rock? When holes open up on a roster, you replace them with someone who you think can perform better. Plus free agency hasn't even started, meaning we still have plenty of time to fix other holes. Would love to see the off-season master plan you've concocted lol.

 

Tf 

Let's see where they are at the end. Last year they didn't get better. We will see if they do this year.

[SCBills]

1 minute ago, That's No Moon said:

Let's see where they are at the end. Last year they didn't get better. We will see if they do this year.

Eh.. the Bills were better.   They were likely the best team in the NFL last year (on the field)

 

We lost to KC because the coaches completely spazzed end of game.
 

Now you can say maybe we were better because Josh Allen went god-mode in the playoffs, but if we get by KC, we’re likely SB Champions.  

[BillsVet]

10 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Consensus amongst NFL folks is that we:

 

-Upgraded the OL with Saffold over Williams

 

-Upgraded the IDL with Jones/Settle replacing Harry/Butler

 

McKenzie was signed to a team friendly deal, clearly to be WR4, and the Morse extension makes all the sense in the world.

 

I struggle to see what people are complaining about in regards to these moves..  Who, that signed today, did you want? 
 

Cinci and LAC got much better in certain areas, but they have rookie QB money that BUF/KC do not.  
 

 

Cite your "consensus" sources because I'm tired of the straw man arguments.  Sounds like some MSM reporter who talks about "people we've talked to said X."  

 

Prioritizing 2 DT's who'll get no more than 50% of the defensive snaps because McCoach needs his 8-9 man rotation is just same old same old.  Been there, done that...they've spent big on the DL (2nd highest paid unit in the NFL last season) and it gets them nothing when it matters.        

 

McKenzie is on a minor contract and who really cares?  He had 1 decent game last year and didn't play until it became obvious the Bills needed more speed...which speaking of that...I guess they're still working there.  

 

The problem now is that people keep being satisfied with making the playoffs and winning a game.  Buffalo needs their front office and coaching staff to be elite...and they keep coming up as underwhelming. 

[JGMcD2]

7 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

 

The cap situation is a self-made issue.  As others have said, notably @BADOLBILZ they've inked some guys who were vastly overpaid and now that's impacting the cap.  OBD has no one to blame but themselves.  

 

My point remains: prioritizing their first contracts on guys who'll play less than 50% of the snaps is bizarre...provided those contracts are not classic Beane/McCoach overpaying at positions of less importance (DT, LB).  

 

 

 

 

The cap situation was caused by a worldwide pandemic. 
 

You lost credibility when you cited Badol…

Just now, BillsVet said:

 

Cite your "consensus" sources because I'm tired of the straw man arguments.  Sounds like some MSM reporter who talks about "people we've talked to said X."  

 

Prioritizing 2 DT's who'll get no more than 50% of the defensive snaps because McCoach needs his 8-9 man rotation is just same old same old.  Been there, done that...they've spent big on the DL (2nd highest paid unit in the NFL last season) and it gets them nothing when it matters.        

 

McKenzie is on a minor contract and who really cares?  He had 1 decent game last year and didn't play until it became obvious the Bills needed more speed...which speaking of that...I guess they're still working there.  

 

The problem now is that people keep being satisfied with making the playoffs and winning a game.  Buffalo needs their front office and coaching staff to be elite...and they keep coming up as underwhelming. 

Let’s play my favorite game of “what front offices and coaching staffs are better than the Bills?” 
 

It’s always a doozy with people who have a mediocre grasp of how all this works… 

[SCBills]

1 minute ago, BillsVet said:

 

Cite your "consensus" sources because I'm tired of the straw man arguments.  Sounds like some MSM reporter who talks about "people we've talked to said X."  

 

Prioritizing 2 DT's who'll get no more than 50% of the defensive snaps because McCoach needs his 8-9 man rotation is just same old same old.  Been there, done that...they've spent big on the DL (2nd highest paid unit in the NFL last season) and it gets them nothing when it matters.        

 

McKenzie is on a minor contract and who really cares?  He had 1 decent game last year and didn't play until it became obvious the Bills needed more speed...which speaking of that...I guess they're still working there.  

 

The problem now is that people keep being satisfied with making the playoffs and winning a game.  Buffalo needs their front office and coaching staff to be elite...and they keep coming up as underwhelming. 

 

 

[junior]

8 minutes ago, That's No Moon said:

Let's see where they are at the end. Last year they didn't get better. We will see if they do this year.

Yes, that's the point. Let's wait till the off-season is over before throwing hissy fits, let alone before FA even opens.

Has Beane missed on free agents? Yes. Has every GM? Yes. Has he also torn down and constructed a roster that is a threat to make the Super Bowl every year? Yes.

 

Now, do we still need impact players at other positions? Sure. Can we restructure contracts to allow it to happen, if we so choose? Yes. Can we also draft impact players? Yes. It just so happens that the first thing we did was sign guards and DTs. Why? Because we needed to upgrade those positions. 

 

Let's give Beane and co. more than 11hrs into the legal tampering period before we clamor for his head and imply he's inept.

Edited March 15, 2022 by junior

[BillsVet]

14 minutes ago, Success said:

 

Which our braintrust has done, emphatically.  

 

It's not a formula.  You build one of the best teams, you win games, you get a high seed in the playoffs - then you hope for a little luck. Because getting through the playoffs & getting the prize usually relies on that.

 

Beane & his staff have done an outstanding job turning this team into one of the top contenders.

 

 

No one remembers or cares about perennial contenders.

 

As for the luck argument...you build your own luck by being smarter than your opponents.  Buffalo didn't win last year because they did 2020 v2.0 and thought it'd be enough.  For all the praise that front office gets, they didn't get much right last off-season...that is if you expect excellence and not average personnel effort. 

2 minutes ago, SCBills said:

 

 

 

I follow the NFL pretty closely and I have no idea who that guy is.  Looks like a blogger and podcaster.  

[Patrick Duffy]

2 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

 

The cap situation is a self-made issue.  As others have said, notably @BADOLBILZ they've inked some guys who were vastly overpaid and now that's impacting the cap.  OBD has no one to blame but themselves.  

 

My point remains: prioritizing their first contracts on guys who'll play less than 50% of the snaps is bizarre...provided those contracts are not classic Beane/McCoach overpaying at positions of less importance (DT, LB).  

 

 

 

 

I agree there's been a couple contracts that were questionable. There's been some good ones also. Nobody is perfect, it happens all the time. In any event this team is one of the best in the league and a Super Bowl favorite. Just because they haven't signed certain players you may want the first hours of F/A doesn't change that.

 

 

[BillsVet]

6 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

The cap situation was caused by a worldwide pandemic. 
 

You lost credibility when you cited Badol…

Let’s play my favorite game of “what front offices and coaching staffs are better than the Bills?” 
 

It’s always a doozy with people who have a mediocre grasp of how all this works… 

 

I'm really leaning toward blaming the cap issues on Russia...everyone's doing it now and people believe it so...why not?    

 

BADOL is at the top of the quality posters here.  He gives it to you real, not with milk and cookies like most homers want.  Ergo, he hurts people's feelings when things go wrong and people start making excuses.  Like blaming cap issues on something that affected every team.   

[BufBills83]

1 minute ago, BillsVet said:

 

I'm really leaning toward blaming the cap issues on Russia...everyone's doing it now and people believe it so...why not?    

 

BADOL is at the top of the quality posters here.  He gives it to you real, not with milk and cookies like most homers want.  Ergo, he hurts people's feelings when things go wrong and people start making excuses.  Like blaming cap issues on something that affected every team.   

Beane and Co have put together, in many experts eyes, one of the deepest, most talented rosters in the league, with the best QB in the league, and they are, literally, SB favorites at some sports books.  Sure, every team has holes and they are trying to fill them and improve the roster like everyone else.  What more do you want from them?  It's unrealistic.

[SCBills]

2 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

 

No one remembers or cares about perennial contenders.

 

As for the luck argument...you build your own luck by being smarter than your opponents.  Buffalo didn't win last year because they did 2020 v2.0 and thought it'd be enough.  For all the praise that front office gets, they didn't get much right last off-season...that is if you expect excellence and not average personnel effort. 

 

I follow the NFL pretty closely and I have no idea who that guy is.  Looks like a blogger and podcaster.  

Buffalo has gotten praise on the shows too but im not searching to link them for you. 
 

Also, Buffalo didn’t lose to KC because they “ran it back” in many aspects.   They lost because the coaches spazzed out to end the game.   
 

If you’re assertion is that we have too many good players and not enough great players, I’d agree with you..  but everything we did today, on paper, makes us better.   
 

We saved money at Guard and also managed to upgrade it. 
 

Same on the IDL.  Jones and Settle give us that physicality we didn’t have last year.

 

 

[Tim Anderson's Lunch Pail]

19 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

 

The cap situation is a self-made issue.  As others have said, notably @BADOLBILZ they've inked some guys who were vastly overpaid and now that's impacting the cap.  OBD has no one to blame but themselves.  

 

My point remains: prioritizing their first contracts on guys who'll play less than 50% of the snaps is bizarre...provided those contracts are not classic Beane/McCoach overpaying at positions of less importance (DT, LB).  

 

 

 

 

What team is immune from making some bad signings? The Super Bowl Rams screwed up with Goff. It happens. 

[That's No Moon]

13 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Eh.. the Bills were better.   They were likely the best team in the NFL last year (on the field)

 

We lost to KC because the coaches completely spazzed end of game.
 

Now you can say maybe we were better because Josh Allen went god-mode in the playoffs, but if we get by KC, we’re likely SB Champions.  

I disagree, I think the Rams would have beaten them and I frankly think they would have struggled with the Bengals.

[BufBills83]

Just now, That's No Moon said:

I disagree, I think the Rams would have beaten them and I frankly think they would have struggled with the Bengals.

They may have lost to the Rams, they were a good team, but it would have been close.

 

We would have best the Bengals though, at home.  We would have been 5-6 point favorites.

[SCBills]

1 minute ago, That's No Moon said:

I disagree, I think the Rams would have beaten them and I frankly think they would have struggled with the Bengals.

Rams would have been tough.  
 

Sick of hearing about Cinci.   That defense they deployed to turn Mahomes into a pumpkin doesn’t work against Allen.  He would’ve just ran all over it. 

[BillsVet]

1 minute ago, Sheneneh Jenkins said:

I agree there's been a couple contracts that were questionable. There's been some good ones also. Nobody is perfect, it happens all the time. In any event this team is one of the best in the league and a Super Bowl favorite. Just because they haven't signed certain players you may want the first hours of F/A doesn't change that.

 

The bad UFA contracts have far outweighed the good ones.  Star's is at the top, and 2 good ones at market value don't overcome that level of stupid.

 

As long as McCoach has the dominant voice in personnel, they'll always shade toward defense, spend good money to do it and all at the expense of Josh.  

 

They're SB contenders sure, but going from perennial playoff team to winning a SB is a bigger leap than people understand.  And right now, Buffalo is taking the pedestrian and safe approach consistent with a risk averse HC.  

[BufBills83]

Just now, SCBills said:

Rams would have been tough.  
 

Sick of hearing about Cinci.   That defense they deployed to turn Mahomes into a pumpkin doesn’t work against Allen.  He would’ve just ran all over it. 

KC got super complacent second half versus Cincy.  They went up 21-3 and thought they could cruise to a win.  KC played their absolute A game against the Bills and we still should have won.

[TheWeatherMan]

Just now, BillsVet said:

 

The bad UFA contracts have far outweighed the good ones.  Star's is at the top, and 2 good ones at market value don't overcome that level of stupid.

 

As long as McCoach has the dominant voice in personnel, they'll always shade toward defense, spend good money to do it and all at the expense of Josh.  

 

They're SB contenders sure, but going from perennial playoff team to winning a SB is a bigger leap than people understand.  And right now, Buffalo is taking the pedestrian and safe approach consistent with a risk averse HC.  

Diggs says hi

[BufBills83]

1 minute ago, BillsVet said:

 

The bad UFA contracts have far outweighed the good ones.  Star's is at the top, and 2 good ones at market value don't overcome that level of stupid.

 

As long as McCoach has the dominant voice in personnel, they'll always shade toward defense, spend good money to do it and all at the expense of Josh.  

 

They're SB contenders sure, but going from perennial playoff team to winning a SB is a bigger leap than people understand.  And right now, Buffalo is taking the pedestrian and safe approach consistent with a risk averse HC.  

I'm not sure you can say that.  They have limited cap room because they have a good roster.  You need to chill and give it some time, its day 1.

[JGMcD2]

3 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

 

I'm really leaning toward blaming the cap issues on Russia...everyone's doing it now and people believe it so...why not?    

 

BADOL is at the top of the quality posters here.  He gives it to you real, not with milk and cookies like most homers want.  Ergo, he hurts people's feelings when things go wrong and people start making excuses.  Like blaming cap issues on something that affected every team.   

I love how you avoided my question… explain to the board which organizations have done it better since 2017… take everything into account. The draft, free agency, player development, winning games and anything else you want to add… 

 

It did affect every team, but if you can’t compute the fact that the Bills had planned their signings around the idea that they could be competitive now with the ability to spend in the future and then that was taken away from them by the fact that the cap didn’t increase, that’s on you. 
 

If you’re failing to recognize that this front office plans things out in advance and has a legitimate plan, then I’m also sorry. If you wanna talk about milk and cookies, you live in Candyland where every player on the team has to be a Pro Bowler and every free agent signing has to be below market value for things to please you. 
 

They’ve objectively built a top 5 roster in the sport and you’re asserting they’re mediocre.