Patrick Duffy Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 Just now, That's No Moon said: I disagree, I think the Rams would have beaten them and I frankly think they would have struggled with the Bengals. We will never know, but I believe they would have won against Bengals in OP for sure. Maybe struggle with Rams, but don't think would struggle enough to keep them from winning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BufBills83 Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 Just now, JGMcD2 said: I love how you avoided my question… explain to the board which organizations have done it better since 2017… take everything into account. The draft, free agency, player development, winning games and anything else you want to add… It did affect every team, but if you can’t compute the fact that the Bills had planned their signings around the idea that they could be competitive now with the ability to spend in the future and then that was taken away from them by the fact that the cap didn’t increase, that’s on you. If you’re failing to recognize that this front office plans things out in advance and has a legitimate plan, then I’m also sorry. If you wanna talk about milk and cookies, you live in Candyland where every player on the team has to be a Pro Bowler and every free agent signing has to be below market value for things to please you. They’ve objectively built a top 5 roster in the sport and you’re asserting they’re mediocre. Everything he's saying has a negative spin on it even though we have no real holes, just areas we can upgrade (who doesn't?) The other teams are signing big names because they have cap space, mostly because of rookie QB contracts. But after all the signings so far, I still see the Bills at the top of Superbowl favorites list. So what does that tell you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 1 minute ago, Tim Anderson's Lunch Pail said: What team is immune from making some bad signings? The Super Bowl Rams screwed up with Goff. It happens. And they became the Super Bowl Rams by identifying the problem and making the right move to fix it. They then augmented that move with other moves to bring in players at positions of need midseason. The Bills don't have enough speed in the back end. Waiting to see how that's addressed because we were all clamoring for Levi Wallace to be replaced last year and he wasn't. Now we have White coming off an ACL and the DBS are still too slow as a group. They don't get after the QB well enough and they've drafted three DEs in the last two years who don't consistently rush the quarterback. Now you subtract Hughes from that mix and they still need to be significantly better in that area. They've replaced Butler and Phillips with two different guys. Better? I don't know. Saffold at LG, better at age 34? I'm not sure. Line depth took a hit with Williams gone though because he's not there to step out to RT in a pinch now. Tommy Doyle needs to be the swing tackle this year which is moderately scary. So far they are different. I'm not sure if they are better. I'll say again, last year they didn't get better. Their deficiencies were the same as the year before. Run defense in general, CB2, pass rush, interior line play and RB. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 2 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said: I love how you avoided my question… explain to the board which organizations have done it better since 2017… take everything into account. The draft, free agency, player development, winning games and anything else you want to add… It did affect every team, but if you can’t compute the fact that the Bills had planned their signings around the idea that they could be competitive now with the ability to spend in the future and then that was taken away from them by the fact that the cap didn’t increase, that’s on you. If you’re failing to recognize that this front office plans things out in advance and has a legitimate plan, then I’m also sorry. If you wanna talk about milk and cookies, you live in Candyland where every player on the team has to be a Pro Bowler and every free agent signing has to be below market value for things to please you. They’ve objectively built a top 5 roster in the sport and you’re asserting they’re mediocre. Kansas City, LA Rams...those teams have done it better because (and I'm not sure if you know this) they won SB's. Made big acquisitions to give them an edge either before or during the off-season. When the NFL starts awarding the Lombardi to the best regular season roster, please let me know. I'll change my criteria on success in the NFL. I really can't take you seriously with the third paragraph. Stop falling back on hyperbolic arguments and whining about the pandemic. It's an indication you're whining. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BufBills83 Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 Just now, That's No Moon said: And they became the Super Bowl Rams by identifying the problem and making the right move to fix it. They then augmented that move with other moves to bring in players at positions of need midseason. The Bills don't have enough speed in the back end. Waiting to see how that's addressed because we were all clamoring for Levi Wallace to be replaced last year and he wasn't. Now we have White coming off an ACL and the DBS are still too slow as a group. They don't get after the QB well enough and they've drafted three DEs in the last two years who don't consistently rush the quarterback. Now you subtract Hughes from that mix and they still need to be significantly better in that area. They've replaced Butler and Phillips with two different guys. Better? I don't know. Saffold at LG, better at age 34? I'm not sure. Line depth took a hit with Williams gone though because he's not there to step out to RT in a pinch now. Tommy Doyle needs to be the swing tackle this year which is moderately scary. So far they are different. I'm not sure if they are better. I'll say again, last year they didn't get better. Their deficiencies were the same as the year before. Run defense in general, CB2, pass rush, interior line play and RB. Yes, they need more speed at CB, but who were they going to sign in FA that was going to get them that? They didn't have enough cap space for Jackson. They needed pash rush, they drafted 3 DE's in the first 2 rounds the last 2 years. They are trying to fill that hole. All those guys are super young. The experts so far have praised the signings so far as upgrades, I'm going to go with their opinions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 9 minutes ago, SCBills said: Rams would have been tough. Sick of hearing about Cinci. That defense they deployed to turn Mahomes into a pumpkin doesn’t work against Allen. He would’ve just ran all over it. Joe Mixon would give them real problems and there isnt anyone on the defense that can run with Chase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BufBills83 Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 1 minute ago, BillsVet said: Kansas City, LA Rams...those teams have done it better because (and I'm not sure if you know this) they won SB's. Made big acquisitions to give them an edge either before or during the off-season. When the NFL starts awarding the Lombardi to the best regular season roster, please let me know. I'll change my criteria on success in the NFL. I really can't take you seriously with the third paragraph. Stop falling back on hyperbolic arguments and whining about the pandemic. It's an indication you're whining. What big acquisition did KC make? Does Diggs not count for the Bills? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 2 hours ago, BillsVet said: Put forth a counter-argument. I’m trying to figure out what you’re bitching about the reasons why the Buffalo has not been to the Super Bowl yet are not talent related Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BufBills83 Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 1 minute ago, John from Riverside said: I’m trying to figure out what you’re bitching about the reasons why the Buffalo has not been to the Super Bowl yet are not talent related He hasn't even responded to any of my posts yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Anderson's Lunch Pail Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 6 minutes ago, That's No Moon said: And they became the Super Bowl Rams by identifying the problem and making the right move to fix it. They then augmented that move with other moves to bring in players at positions of need midseason. The Bills don't have enough speed in the back end. Waiting to see how that's addressed because we were all clamoring for Levi Wallace to be replaced last year and he wasn't. Now we have White coming off an ACL and the DBS are still too slow as a group. They don't get after the QB well enough and they've drafted three DEs in the last two years who don't consistently rush the quarterback. Now you subtract Hughes from that mix and they still need to be significantly better in that area. They've replaced Butler and Phillips with two different guys. Better? I don't know. Saffold at LG, better at age 34? I'm not sure. Line depth took a hit with Williams gone though because he's not there to step out to RT in a pinch now. Tommy Doyle needs to be the swing tackle this year which is moderately scary. So far they are different. I'm not sure if they are better. I'll say again, last year they didn't get better. Their deficiencies were the same as the year before. Run defense in general, CB2, pass rush, interior line play and RB. I mean it’s been 12 hours into the offseason. Sheesh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BufBills83 Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 Just now, Tim Anderson's Lunch Pail said: I mean it’s been 12 hours into the offseason. Sheesh. Yeah, the Rams got a Superbowl, but they are going to be in cap hell for years to come. They could have also easily lost the SB and all those moves would have been for naught. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 3 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: I’m trying to figure out what you’re bitching about the reasons why the Buffalo has not been to the Super Bowl yet are not talent related Nobody to run with Tyreek Hill. Not the squib. Tyreek Hill. Just now, BufBills83 said: Yeah, the Rams got a Superbowl, but they are going to be in cap hell for years to come. They could have also easily lost the SB and all those moves would have been for naught. But they did win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BufBills83 Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 Just now, That's No Moon said: Nobody to run with Tyreek Hill. Not the squib. Tyreek Hill. We get it, stop living in the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 Just now, That's No Moon said: Nobody to run with Tyreek Hill. Not the squib. Tyreek Hill. So basically every other team in the league has this problem Free agency isn’t over with there was 13 seconds left to go when Josh Allen left the field we were winning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 Just now, BufBills83 said: We get it, stop living in the past. Lol ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 4 minutes ago, BufBills83 said: He hasn't even responded to any of my posts yet. None of your previous posts were worthy of a response. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BufBills83 Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 1 minute ago, That's No Moon said: Nobody to run with Tyreek Hill. Not the squib. Tyreek Hill. But they did win. And whose to say we won't since we will be contenders for years to come? Just now, BillsVet said: None of your previous posts were worthy of a response. Or you just didn't have one worthy of being posted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 2 minutes ago, That's No Moon said: Nobody to run with Tyreek Hill. Not the squib. Tyreek Hill. But they did win. I just wanna point out that the Raiders for decades have been following this model without a Super Bowl 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 Just now, John from Riverside said: So basically every other team in the league has this problem Free agency isn’t over with there was 13 seconds left to go when Josh Allen left the field we were winning And they lost. Get better. Don't tell me. Show me. They drafted 3 stiffs at DE to fix the pass rush but hey they're addressing the problem so that makes it ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BufBills83 Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 2 minutes ago, BillsVet said: None of your previous posts were worthy of a response. Tell me, who are the SB favorites as of right now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 1 minute ago, John from Riverside said: I just wanna point out that the Raiders for decades have been following this model without a Super Bowl Except for the one they won this millennium. How many do we have again? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 18 minutes ago, TheWeatherMan said: Diggs says hi Yeah, I heard he's repping for a temp hire agency now. I'll bet that endorsement earns good money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BufBills83 Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 Just now, That's No Moon said: And they lost. Get better. Don't tell me. Show me. They drafted 3 stiffs at DE to fix the pass rush but hey they're addressing the problem so that makes it ok Why don't you stop being negative about everything and start enjoying football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 Just now, That's No Moon said: And they lost. Get better. Don't tell me. Show me. They drafted 3 stiffs at DE to fix the pass rush but hey they're addressing the problem so that makes it ok Who are these players that you’re calling stiffs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BufBills83 Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 Just now, BillsVet said: Yeah, I heard he's repping for a temp hire agency now. I'll bet that endorsement earns good money. When someone has a valid point against you, its tossed aside. We get it. When the Bills win the Superbowl this year, don't act like you saw it coming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 Just now, That's No Moon said: Except for the one they won this millennium. How many do we have again? So I don’t realize if you know what you just said but the Raiders basically won that super Bowl with players that nobody wanted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 If the version of the Rams that showed up against CIN played the Bills in the Super Bowl, Bills win with an average effort themselves, of that I have no doubt. If first half TB Rams showed up against KC Bills, that game couldve gone either way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 1 minute ago, BillsVet said: Yeah, I heard he's repping for a temp hire agency now. I'll bet that endorsement earns good money. Has exactly to do what with football Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 2 minutes ago, BufBills83 said: Tell me, who are the SB favorites as of right now? Time to hang it up for the night Hondo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BufBills83 Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 Just now, BillsVet said: Time to hang it up for the night Hondo. But you didn't answer my question... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChevyVanMiller Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 Came here for FA rumors, instead got 3 pages of guys fighting over conjectured, hypothetical stances on playoff games that didn’t happen. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BufBills83 Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 Just now, BufBills83 said: But you didn't answer my question... I know more about the Bills, how they are going to do, the inside's and outs of the team, than you ever will. So please don't tell me to hang it up for the night #######. 1 minute ago, BillsVet said: Time to hang it up for the night Hondo. You're not invited to the parade. 3 minutes ago, BillsVet said: Time to hang it up for the night Hondo. BillsVet likes to complain about things 3 minutes ago, BufBills83 said: I know more about the Bills, how they are going to do, the inside's and outs of the team, than you ever will. So please don't tell me to hang it up for the night #######. You're not invited to the parade. BillsVet likes to complain about things Looks like he left for the night, I would have too if I was him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junior Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 3 minutes ago, ChevyVanMiller said: Came here for FA rumors, instead got 3 pages of guys fighting over conjectured, hypothetical stances on playoff games that didn’t happen. And complaining about Beane's off-season approach 2 days prior to free agency starting 😄 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BufBills83 Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 Just now, junior said: And complaining about Beane's off-season approach 2 days prior to free agency starting 😄 Its just BillsVet, dont' mind him, he doesn't make much sense. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 Just now, junior said: And complaining about Beane's off-season approach 2 days prior to free agency starting 😄 What I recall saying was show me how they are demonstrably better at the end because they didn't do that last year. Some of you guys want everything to be sunshine and roses and to canonize Beane. They are better than they have been in a long time, they aren't good enough and need to get better. You go ahead and be satisfied if you want to. I'm not and the mistakes they made last year cost them. You want a mistake? Wasting money on Emmanuel Sanders that could have been spent on a corner. A corner they needed at the end of the Chiefs game. 1 1 1 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 6 minutes ago, ChevyVanMiller said: Came here for FA rumors, instead got 3 pages of guys fighting over conjectured, hypothetical stances on playoff games that didn’t happen. Lol, seems as if some had expectations today that were a bit high along with perfection... So much anger that isn't warranted 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junior Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 1 minute ago, That's No Moon said: What I recall saying was show me how they are demonstrably better at the end because they didn't do that last year. Some of you guys want everything to be sunshine and roses and to canonize Beane. They are better than they have been in a long time, they aren't good enough and need to get better. You go ahead and be satisfied if you want to. I'm not and the mistakes they made last year cost them. You want a mistake? Wasting money on Emmanuel Sanders that could have been spent on a corner. A corner they needed at the end of the Chiefs game. I didn't mention you in the post, but if the shoe fits, wear it 😄 Also, for what it's worth, I don't have rose colored glasses on. Beane has ***** up with certain signings and draft picks - every single GM in this league has. So if you want to throw a tantrum because he's not batting 1.000, or hasn't yet filled a positional need, be my guest. Every person on this board knows we need to get faster and address the CB position - Beane talked about both of those things in the season ending press conference. So let's wait till the season - the draft, even! - before saying holes haven't been filled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Anderson's Lunch Pail Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 8 minutes ago, That's No Moon said: What I recall saying was show me how they are demonstrably better at the end because they didn't do that last year. Some of you guys want everything to be sunshine and roses and to canonize Beane. They are better than they have been in a long time, they aren't good enough and need to get better. You go ahead and be satisfied if you want to. I'm not and the mistakes they made last year cost them. You want a mistake? Wasting money on Emmanuel Sanders that could have been spent on a corner. A corner they needed at the end of the Chiefs game. They’re the betting odds favorites to win the SB before making any moves. That’s generally indicative of a very good team, taking into consideration the landscape of the entire league. Do they have room for improvement? Of course. But let’s have some perspective here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, BillsVet said: The cap situation is a self-made issue. As others have said, notably @BADOLBILZ they've inked some guys who were vastly overpaid and now that's impacting the cap. OBD has no one to blame but themselves. My point remains: prioritizing their first contracts on guys who'll play less than 50% of the snaps is bizarre...provided those contracts are not classic Beane/McCoach overpaying at positions of less importance (DT, LB). Name a few bad contracts that are impacting the cap in 2021 besides Stars Edited March 15, 2022 by NewEra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 Just now, NewEra said: Name a few bad contracts that are impacting the cap in 2021 besides Stars Which might not have been an issue if there hadn't been a plague, poor planning on Beane's part there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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