Why are people always talking pass rusher?

[Not at the table Karlos]

This game right here is why 

[NoSaint]

15 hours ago, Marvlevydraftdaygenius said:

The problem with the Bills is the one who calls the plays,  Frazier never calls stunts or dials up innovative blitz packages.  We could have Bruce and Reggie  on the line and still have problems sacking the Qb but when McDermott pulls the playbook there seems to be no problem sacking the Qb.
 

I think if McDermott had his way Frazier would be gone, I think Terry and Kim are forcing Frazier on McDermott.  
 

The big problem with the Bills line is the Defensive Tackles they just don’t have the size and the leverage to have opposing Qb’s worrying about the collapsing of  the pocket and  on first and second downs giving running backs the ability to get 5 to 6 yards a play or  just left  running freely in the secondary aka a lot of Taylor’s runs when we played the Colts. 

a guy that can get there in a 1-1 matchup changes the game. It’s been a minute but hopefully you’ll get to see that from someone next year 

[MJS]

The only thing that these two Superbowl teams have that the Bills do not is a good defensive line.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

15 hours ago, Marvlevydraftdaygenius said:

The problem with the Bills is the one who calls the plays,  Frazier never calls stunts or dials up innovative blitz packages.  We could have Bruce and Reggie  on the line and still have problems sacking the Qb but when McDermott pulls the playbook there seems to be no problem sacking the Qb.
 

I think if McDermott had his way Frazier would be gone, I think Terry and Kim are forcing Frazier on McDermott.  
 

The big problem with the Bills line is the Defensive Tackles they just don’t have the size and the leverage to have opposing Qb’s worrying about the collapsing of  the pocket and  on first and second downs giving running backs the ability to get 5 to 6 yards a play or  just left  running freely in the secondary aka a lot of Taylor’s runs when we played the Colts. 

We had 0 cornerbacks after white went down and that really limited the defensive playbook in my opinion.  Pretty much had to keep two safeties deep all the time. 

[JaCrispy]

Why are people always talking about pass rush?

 

Because we don’t have one...

[BuffaloRebound]

Bills might’ve had the least threatening edge rushers in the league.  Certainly in the playoffs.  

[JaCrispy]

Just now, BuffaloRebound said:

Bills might’ve had the least threatening edge rushers in the league.  Certainly in the playoffs.  

I think we should go after Chandler Jones...

[Bermuda Triangle]

3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

We did not play Wentz last year. 

 

And we are not held back by defense. This year's divisional round was literally the first time our defense has been the major culprit in a playoff loss under this regime. 

The defense was horrible against KC last year in the AFC Championship Game (and pretty bad against Indy in the WC game as well).  Complete no show in the second half against Houston in the second half and OT in the '20 WC game also.

5 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Well, for example, it's reported on here:

https://buffalonews.com/sports/bills/bills-mailbag-what-to-make-of-the-alleged-rift-between-sean-mcdermott-and-brian-daboll/article_83474fbe-8b4e-11ec-bcd1-2fda67a415de.html

 

So, are you saying that "McDermott made it a point during the season to mention how the Bills’ defense is Frazier’s system" = McDermott publicly stating that he's called defensive plays as HC only during one game?

[Big Turk]

24 minutes ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

This game right here is why 

 

Exactly...Aaron Donald is just an unhinged beast out there.

 

When people say he might be the best player in the NFL, I believe them. Dude is a one man wrecking crew.

[Tanoros]

22 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

The issue with the Pats defense is the same as ours - it's predicated more on scheme and coaching than on talent. Compared to defenses like the Rams and Bucs which have a bunch of elite talent. If you want to stop elite QBs, you need a pass rush that can convert pressure into sacks. Judon was playing really well for the Pats early in the year but after his bout with covid he fell off a cliff. That's why they had no answer for Allen, and it's the same reason we had no answer for Mahomes. The Bengals pass rushers were able to get their hands on him. It made a big difference.

I agree, we need a star pass rusher who can get to the qb, or force the issue in key moments (thinking of Donald last night at the end of the game). My fingers are crossed either Rousseau, Oliver or both can be that person (or maybe close enough combined). 
 

One thing to take solace in, even with star pass rushers, teams will have their hands full with Josh Allen playing like he did in the playoffs. Not many, if any, can do what he does when he’s like that. 

[sunshynman]

On 2/13/2022 at 12:34 PM, Marvlevydraftdaygenius said:

Okay you remember the Jets game last year in the New Jersey when in the first half we let Sam Darnold run up and down the field against us we could not stop him all of a sudden the second half was different we’re in the first half we did not sack Darnold but in the second we sacked him 6 times and did not give up a 1 down.

Sam played for Carolina last year. You are a special kind of wrong!

Edited February 14, 2022 by sunshynman

[Chandler#81]

This thread aged well..

[JoPoy88]

On 2/13/2022 at 6:41 AM, Marvlevydraftdaygenius said:

The problem with the Bills is the one who calls the plays,  Frazier never calls stunts or dials up innovative blitz packages.  We could have Bruce and Reggie  on the line and still have problems sacking the Qb but when McDermott pulls the playbook there seems to be no problem sacking the Qb.
 

I think if McDermott had his way Frazier would be gone, I think Terry and Kim are forcing Frazier on McDermott.  
 

The big problem with the Bills line is the Defensive Tackles they just don’t have the size and the leverage to have opposing Qb’s worrying about the collapsing of  the pocket and  on first and second downs giving running backs the ability to get 5 to 6 yards a play or  just left  running freely in the secondary aka a lot of Taylor’s runs when we played the Colts. 

The Bills’ D line doesn’t run stunts? Are you serious? Tell me you don’t know what you’re looking at without telling me you don’t know what you’re looking at

[FilthyBeast]

On 2/13/2022 at 3:41 AM, Marvlevydraftdaygenius said:

The problem with the Bills is the one who calls the plays,  Frazier never calls stunts or dials up innovative blitz packages.  We could have Bruce and Reggie  on the line and still have problems sacking the Qb but when McDermott pulls the playbook there seems to be no problem sacking the Qb.
 

I think if McDermott had his way Frazier would be gone, I think Terry and Kim are forcing Frazier on McDermott.  
 

The big problem with the Bills line is the Defensive Tackles they just don’t have the size and the leverage to have opposing Qb’s worrying about the collapsing of  the pocket and  on first and second downs giving running backs the ability to get 5 to 6 yards a play or  just left  running freely in the secondary aka a lot of Taylor’s runs when we played the Colts. 

 

If anything it's the opposite, but who really knows with the Pegulas.

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

17 hours ago, MJS said:

The only thing that these two Superbowl teams have that the Bills do not is a good defensive line.

Yes defensive line with great pass rush.

 

And a OLine that can block.

 

And a running game.

 

And far better coaching.

 

Other than that, its pretty close.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

17 hours ago, MJS said:

The only thing that these two Superbowl teams have that the Bills do not is a good defensive line.

 

The problem is, that's still true after the Bills

-had the highest spending on DL in 2019, 2020

-2nd highest spending on DL in 2021 (to the Chiefs)

-spent 2 1st round and 2 2nd round picks on DL in the last 3 drafts

-signed $76.5M worth of FA contracts on DL in 2020

 

It's an enormous investment of resources on DL for minimal ROI

[BillsFan2313]

On 2/13/2022 at 12:03 PM, 78thealltimegreat said:

Man two punts from the number 1 defense? Wow look out 85 Bears  

 

Your boy lead the 85 Bears in interceptions.

 

I will say, as much as Frazier hated on sometimes, went Tre went down for the year, he had roll with undrafted free agent Levi Wallace and 7th rd pick Dane Jackson as his 2 starting outside CBs. It tough to bring extra men when an elite corner like Tre goes down. 

[BillsFan2313]

23 minutes ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

Yes defensive line with great pass rush.

 

And a OLine that can block.

 

And a running game.

 

And far better coaching.

 

Other than that, its pretty close.

 

Huh. 

 

Cincy was 23rd in rushing yds per game and Rams were 25th. 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

17 hours ago, BuffaloRebound said:

Bills might’ve had the least threatening edge rushers in the league.  Certainly in the playoffs.  

 

I dunno about "least threatening", but it's fair to say we don't have anyone on our DL that evokes fear in the hearts of opposing OCs

[MJS]

27 minutes ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

Yes defensive line with great pass rush.

 

And a OLine that can block.

 

And a running game.

 

And far better coaching.

 

Other than that, its pretty close.

The Bengals have a bad oline. Didn't stop them. Neither of those two teams have great running games. And, despite what you think, the Bills do have good coaches.

[BuffaloRebound]

4 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

The problem is, that's still true after the Bills

-had the highest spending on DL in 2019, 2020

-2nd highest spending on DL in 2021 (to the Chiefs)

-spent 2 1st round and 2 2nd round picks on DL in the last 3 drafts

-signed $76.5M worth of FA contracts on DL in 2020

 

It's an enormous investment of resources on DL for minimal ROI

Yep.  Groot, Oliver, Calais Campbell, and Chandler Jones. With Basham, Epenesa, Zimmer, and 4th round 1 Tech as backups. 

[MJS]

8 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

The problem is, that's still true after the Bills

-had the highest spending on DL in 2019, 2020

-2nd highest spending on DL in 2021 (to the Chiefs)

-spent 2 1st round and 2 2nd round picks on DL in the last 3 drafts

-signed $76.5M worth of FA contracts on DL in 2020

 

It's an enormous investment of resources on DL for minimal ROI

Yes, it's a problem for sure. But it shows that Beane knows it and is trying to address it. He has struck out so far, but he needs to keep swinging. It is a major need.

 

I am wondering if scheme is part of the problem. Don't rotate so much. Let the starters get into a groove and set up the olinemen.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 minute ago, BillsFan2313 said:

 

Huh. 

 

Cincy was 23rd in rushing yds per game and Rams were 25th. 

 

 

Not only that, but we were #6 in the league in rush yards while being 13th in rushing attempts.

Allen's pocket time is listed as 8th at 2.4 sec

24th for pressure %

 

Hard to tell with Allen because he extends plays so often and so long, but while I wouldn't give our OL kudos, I wouldn't say we lacked one either, especially toward the end of the season.

 

There were some games where our OL was a sieve, I feel that did have to do with who was playing and where

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

25 minutes ago, MJS said:

Yes, it's a problem for sure. But it shows that Beane knows it and is trying to address it. He has struck out so far, but he needs to keep swinging. It is a major need.

 

I am wondering if scheme is part of the problem. Don't rotate so much. Let the starters get into a groove and set up the olinemen.

 

It's for sure that part of the problem is McDermott/Frazier's strong committment to a DL rotation.  It means they are committed to paying 8-9 starter-quality guys, which may mean they have the same expenditure as committing to 2 high quality guys and 2 studs.

 

It may also be a factor for studs like TJ Watt, Miles Garrett, and Nick Bosa who play close to 80% of the snaps - a guy who only plays 45-50% of the snaps like Addison is never going to rack up the same numbers (note, not saying Addison = Bosa), which may be a reason some of the top DL studs might not want to come here

 

 

[Don Otreply]

On 2/13/2022 at 8:41 AM, Beast said:

 

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/sacks-per-game

 

Buffalo ranked 12th overall in sacks and those numbers down thebstretch were particularly impressive.

 

The Bills also pressured the heck out of Mahomes but he was able to escape that pressure much the way Allen escaped KC's pressure.

 

So, really, the both of you are wrong.

 

 

And that he doubles down is what makes him a rube at least the draft day genius guy bailed out… , 😂

[Brand J]

Need a DE like Maxx Crosby. Dude plays right around 100% of the snaps (including 82 in a game this year) and is just relentless on almost every single one. 
Anyone remember what percentage of snaps Bruce took in his prime?

[MAJBobby]

On 2/13/2022 at 6:41 AM, Marvlevydraftdaygenius said:

The problem with the Bills is the one who calls the plays,  Frazier never calls stunts or dials up innovative blitz packages.  We could have Bruce and Reggie  on the line and still have problems sacking the Qb but when McDermott pulls the playbook there seems to be no problem sacking the Qb.
 

I think if McDermott had his way Frazier would be gone, I think Terry and Kim are forcing Frazier on McDermott.  
 

The big problem with the Bills line is the Defensive Tackles they just don’t have the size and the leverage to have opposing Qb’s worrying about the collapsing of  the pocket and  on first and second downs giving running backs the ability to get 5 to 6 yards a play or  just left  running freely in the secondary aka a lot of Taylor’s runs when we played the Colts. 

So you are telling me that White and Bruce couldn’t get pressure without Blitzes?  That they couldn’t win their one matchups and get pressure with 4?  I seriously think you need to go back and watch Bruce and White. 

[MrEpsYtown]

On 2/14/2022 at 4:37 PM, JayBaller10 said:

Need a DE like Maxx Crosby. Dude plays right around 100% of the snaps (including 82 in a game this year) and is just relentless on almost every single one. 
Anyone remember what percentage of snaps Bruce took in his prime?

That guy this year is Cameron Thomas from San Diego State. I hope we draft him. 

[SMAKCruiser]

On 2/14/2022 at 4:37 PM, JayBaller10 said:

Need a DE like Maxx Crosby. Dude plays right around 100% of the snaps (including 82 in a game this year) and is just relentless on almost every single one. 
Anyone remember what percentage of snaps Bruce took in his prime?

I don't think it was tracked back then but I can't recall him ever being off the field unless it was a blowout, training camp or he was holding out.    If it wasn't 100%, it was damn near close.