How bad is it for Lesile Frazier?

[Logic]

1 hour ago, finn said:

I feel sorry for him. He'll live with "13 seconds" for the rest of his life. It's like Scott Norwood, only missing from the 28 yard line instead of the 48. 

 

I wonder if the team has lost confidence in him. 

 

2 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

If they have they really have a funny way of showing it.

 

I get if they were waiting to see if there was a chance of him landing a HC job so the problem could fix itself but now is the time to move on and make a change if it's going to happen and McDermott is serious about evolving and taking the next step (and beating the Chiefs in a game that actually matters).

Recency bias and fan over-reaction at their finest.

The Bills have had a top 10 defense the majority of the time that Frazier has been a coach here.

This past season, they were ranked 1st in pass defense, 1st in points allowed, and 1st in yards allowed. The defense was a big reason that they even won the division and made the playoffs to begin with. 

The "13 seconds failure" was admittedly terrible. By all means, let's let it outweigh five years of great work and high defensive rankings. 

I would love -- absolutely LOVE -- to know who Bills fans think is going to come to One Bills Drive and coach this roster to a BETTER defensive finish than the one they had last year.

 

[FilthyBeast]

Just now, Logic said:

 

Recency bias and fan over-reaction at their finest.

The Bills have had a top 10 defense the majority of the time that Frazier has been a coach here.

This past season, they were ranked 1st in pass defense, 1st in points allowed, and 1st in yards allowed. The defense was a big reason that they even won the division and made the playoffs to begin with. 

The "13 seconds failure" was admittedly terrible. By all means, let's let it outweigh five years of great work and high defensive rankings. 

I would love -- absolutely LOVE -- to know who Bills fans think is going to come to One Bills Drive and coach this roster to a BETTER defensive finish than the one they had last year.

 

 

Again it's not just about the '13 seconds'. It's about the 4+ quarters before that in which this defense was raped by the Chiefs and moved the ball at will for 500+ yards. And as much as everyone keeps pointing to the fluke victory in October which in hindsight is as hollow as it gets, you have to look at the complete body of work during Frazier's time here and that's one that rarely has played well or held up against above average/elite QB's in this league. Just lots of stat padding in between against rookies and backup caliber QB's and this year was the epitome of that.

 

Like I've said for some time, it's no longer about regular season success (i.e. top 5 defensive rankings) and just getting to the playoffs. It's about getting to SB's and winning them now and still think a lot of fans don't understand this or want to admit that this current regime may have reached their ceiling and not capable of going any further. Hopefully the Pegula's do and have already sat down with Beane and McDermott and told them they need to deliver in 2022 or big changes are imminent.

[Logic]

28 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

Again it's not just about the '13 seconds'. It's about the 4+ quarters before that in which this defense was raped by the Chiefs and moved the ball at will for 500+ yards. And as much as everyone keeps pointing to the fluke victory in October which in hindsight is as hollow as it gets, you have to look at the complete body of work during Frazier's time here and that's one that rarely has played well or held up against above average/elite QB's in this league. Just lots of stat padding in between against rookies and backup caliber QB's and this year was the epitome of that.

 

Like I've said for some time, it's no longer about regular season success (i.e. top 5 defensive rankings) and just getting to the playoffs. It's about getting to SB's and winning them now and still think a lot of fans don't understand this or want to admit that this current regime may have reached their ceiling and not capable of going any further. Hopefully the Pegula's do and have already sat down with Beane and McDermott and told them they need to deliver in 2022 or big changes are imminent.

Okay then. A simple question: Who do you propose as a replacement for Leslie Frazier?

[BuffaloBobs]

8 minutes ago, Logic said:

Okay then. A simple question: Who do you propose as a replacement for Leslie Frazier?

 

Thank you for living up to your user name and hitting the nail on the head. There isn't a coach in the league that is going to get more out of the group of guys we have than our current coaching staff.

 

I would add for @FilthyBeast and the other critics: name a better defense than ours last year, even tougher, name a better defense in the NFL since Leslie Frazier took over as our defensive coordinator.

Edited February 9, 2022 by BuffaloBobs

[FilthyBeast]

1 hour ago, Logic said:

Okay then. A simple question: Who do you propose as a replacement for Leslie Frazier?

 

There's plenty out there including Vic Fangio and Jim Schartz, I'd take either of him over Frazier and wouldn't think twice. Would have hired Martindale too but Daboll scooped him up already.

 

Just think a different perspective is needed if this team is going to take the next step.

[phypon]

3 hours ago, BuffaloBobs said:

 

Thank you for living up to your user name and hitting the nail on the head. There isn't a coach in the league that is going to get more out of the group of guys we have than our current coaching staff.

 

I would add for @FilthyBeast and the other critics: name a better defense than ours last year, even tougher, name a better defense in the NFL since Leslie Frazier took over as our defensive coordinator.

The Bengals....had to do it, lol!  

[BuffaloBobs]

1 minute ago, phypon said:

The Bengals....had to do it, lol!  

 

They played a better playoff game against the Chiefs than we did, that's for sure.

 

But they also gave up 41 points to the Browns, 34 points to the Jets, and 41 points to the Chargers this season.

 

If the negative on the Bills as stated by the critics is stat padding against bad/average teams, what happens when you loose to them and give up 30+ points to the Jets and 40+ points to the Browns? 

[phypon]

2 minutes ago, BuffaloBobs said:

 

They played a better playoff game against the Chiefs than we did, that's for sure.

 

But they also gave up 41 points to the Browns, 34 points to the Jets, and 41 points to the Chargers this season.

 

If the negative on the Bills as stated by the critics is stat padding against bad/average teams, what happens when you loose to them and give up 30+ points to the Jets and 40+ points to the Browns? 

I'm really not trying to get into anything here.  But (yes, there is a but), this kind of proves why those stats don't really mean anything.  You play your best ball at the end of the season.  If you can't come through when it matters, what good is being the #1 defense.  I'd rather be the worst defense all season but be the #1 defense in the playoffs and SB.  I think that's really the point most posters are trying to convey when it comes to the #1 rated defense stuff.

[Governor]

6 hours ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

Again it's not just about the '13 seconds'. It's about the 4+ quarters before that in which this defense was raped by the Chiefs and moved the ball at will for 500+ yards. And as much as everyone keeps pointing to the fluke victory in October which in hindsight is as hollow as it gets, you have to look at the complete body of work during Frazier's time here and that's one that rarely has played well or held up against above average/elite QB's in this league. Just lots of stat padding in between against rookies and backup caliber QB's and this year was the epitome of that.

 

Like I've said for some time, it's no longer about regular season success (i.e. top 5 defensive rankings) and just getting to the playoffs. It's about getting to SB's and winning them now and still think a lot of fans don't understand this or want to admit that this current regime may have reached their ceiling and not capable of going any further. Hopefully the Pegula's do and have already sat down with Beane and McDermott and told them they need to deliver in 2022 or big changes are imminent.

You’re exactly right. I expect firings at the end of next season. McD should fire Frazier right now so we don’t have to do it in week 5 next season.

[LABILLBACKER]

8 hours ago, finn said:

I feel sorry for him. He'll live with "13 seconds" for the rest of his life. It's like Scott Norwood, only missing from the 28 yard line instead of the 48. 

 

I wonder if the team has lost confidence in him. 

I can tolerate someone getting physically or athletically beat in a loss. But mental errors are historically inexcusable under these circumstances. Both Frazier & McD knew KC had their timeouts. After we handed them the ball on braindead play #1, we had to know they weren't running pass patterns on the outside. So what do we do? Drop everyone 20 yards and guard the sidelines. Absolutely stupidity........

[finn]

I can see the team's loyalty triggered, as in, "Hey, we all have screwed up, we got his back," that's one thing. But if they think, "If he had just got out of the way and let us do our job, we'd in the Super Bowl," then they might not be happy this offseason. I suspect it will be the former. 

 

Wow, what a screw up. Rush four when Mahomes can't hold the ball, guard the sidelines despite KC having three timeouts, prevent the TD when they need only a FG... That performance must have raised eyebrows throughout the league. 

[Mr. WEO]

58 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

I can tolerate someone getting physically or athletically beat in a loss. But mental errors are historically inexcusable under these circumstances. Both Frazier & McD knew KC had their timeouts. After we handed them the ball on braindead play #1, we had to know they weren't running pass patterns on the outside. So what do we do? Drop everyone 20 yards and guard the sidelines. Absolutely stupidity........

 

hey give him a few more years to figure this out!

[JaCrispy]

12 hours ago, Bermuda Triangle said:

Cost the Bills not only a potential SB berth, but two 3rd round picks.  🤬

Right now, Frazier and McMeathead are in my “doghouse”...only way out, for them, is a super bowl win...👍

[Sierra Foothills]

I wouldn't worry about Frazier. I'm pretty sure McNair will hire him next year after firing Lovie this year. Frazier's essentially gonna be the 3rd leg of the triple crown.

The Culley-Lovie-Frazier carousel will become the running inside joke for the NFL... their little gleeful poke at the Rooney Rule.

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

8 hours ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

There's plenty out there including Vic Fangio and Jim Schartz, I'd take either of him over Frazier and wouldn't think twice. Would have hired Martindale too but Daboll scooped him up already.

 

Just think a different perspective is needed if this team is going to take the next step.

 

For one it is Jim Schwartz . 2 you would call to fire any of them week 9 or 10. (when they struggle here and there) . Many people are forgetting Frazier called a great game regular season vs Chiefs. When White comes back esp with Chiefs the D would look lots better. They had to change it up a bit when he left. Need better cb for sure.

 

Martindale would mean change the whole defense up for his scheme to work. Plus would not want Rob Ryan back.

Edited February 10, 2022 by Buffalo Bills Fan

[GunnerBill]

17 hours ago, FilthyBeast said:

It's about getting to SB's and winning them now and still think a lot of fans don't understand this or want to admit that this current regime may have reached their ceiling and not capable of going any further. Hopefully the Pegula's do and have already sat down with Beane and McDermott and told them they need to deliver in 2022 or big changes are imminent.

 

I do understand it, believe me I do. I just think you are wrong that this regime has reached its ceiling. It is a fundamental disagreement on that point. The had a tough loss in the playoffs. And they didn't coach that game very well at the end. That is on them. But I don't think that means they have reached their ceiling. 

[Marvlevydraftdaygenius]

On 2/8/2022 at 9:13 AM, TheProcess said:

I know, write?!

What does the process mean?  Because people like you were saying trade Jason Peters he sucks.  And I am sorry the Bill’s took Allen over your hero Rosen.  You probably had to throw away your Josh Rosen pajamas. 

[GunnerBill]

8 hours ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said:

 

For one it is Jim Schwartz . 2 you would call to fire any of them week 9 or 10. (when they struggle here and there) . Many people are forgetting Frazier called a great game regular season vs Chiefs. When White comes back esp with Chiefs the D would look lots better. They had to change it up a bit when he left. Need better cb for sure.

 

Martindale would mean change the whole defense up for his scheme to work. Plus would not want Rob Ryan back.

 

Martindale in 4 games vs Mahomes as a DC - averages 32.25 points given up and is 1-3

Frazier in 4 games vs Mahomes as a DC - averages 31.5 points given up and is 1-3

 

I mean if the issue is we can't get past Kansas City and our style of D is a bad matchup for them (I see some truth to that but I don't know that any D is a great matchup for Mahomes when he is on) then what in the world possesses someone to think Martindale would be better? You know what it is? Fans love blitzing. Martindale blitzes. Too many folks play too much Madden. 

[BobbyC81]

Maybe, like Farwell, Frazier will find another DC job.  😉

[BuffaloBobs]

17 hours ago, phypon said:

I'm really not trying to get into anything here.  But (yes, there is a but), this kind of proves why those stats don't really mean anything.  You play your best ball at the end of the season.  If you can't come through when it matters, what good is being the #1 defense.  I'd rather be the worst defense all season but be the #1 defense in the playoffs and SB.  I think that's really the point most posters are trying to convey when it comes to the #1 rated defense stuff.

 

It just doesn't make sense though.

 

Everybody struggles with the Chiefs. They're a great team and it's going to be a struggle to contain them, especially in big games. In 11 playoff games they've been held to less than 30 points twice.

 

Saying that the solution to our mixed record in a very small sample against the Chiefs is to take a proven statistical strength and weaken it in the hopes of changing the result against the Chiefs is silly. It's like losing a few hands of blackjack with 20 and saying you know what, I'm going to hit 20 because I can't beat the dealer when they have 21. The odds of weakening our position is just so much higher than the odds that one of these retread coaches improves what is already a strength.

Edited February 10, 2022 by BuffaloBobs

[Sierra Foothills]

5 hours ago, BobbyC81 said:

Maybe, like Farwell, Frazier will find another DC job.  😉

 

As you are already aware, that's wishful thinking. In the current climate with the Rooney Rule looming over the early offseason I think it's very highly unlikely that Frazier gets fired.

 

Part of this conversation is anger/disappointment fueled. Because of the heinous loss to the Chiefs there is some percentage of the fanbase that wants their pound of flesh... in this case Frazier's head.

 

A realistic and pragmatic view asks the question whether the Bills will grow/learn/improve from this experience... whether McDermott/Frazier will have plugged the leaks.

[Mr. WEO]

It's pretty good for Frazier.  Bills had the best (statically) D (against the schedule such as it was).  He's not going to be fired ever by McD, no matter how badly the D collapses in the next playoffs again. 

[phypon]

3 hours ago, BuffaloBobs said:

 

It just doesn't make sense though.

 

Everybody struggles with the Chiefs. They're a great team and it's going to be a struggle to contain them, especially in big games. In 11 playoff games they've been held to less than 30 points twice.

 

Saying that the solution to our mixed record in a very small sample against the Chiefs is to take a proven statistical strength and weaken it in the hopes of changing the result against the Chiefs is silly. It's like losing a few hands of blackjack with 20 and saying you know what, I'm going to hit 20 because I can't beat the dealer when they have 21. The odds of weakening our position is just so much higher than the odds that one of these retread coaches improves what is already a strength.

You make a very valid point and I do understand your stance and what you are saying.  I'm not trying to argue with you at all here, just want to say that upfront.  I do think there are two different views on this topic.  I'm in the camp where I've been skeptical of our D and I don't have confidence in the product that has been what we've seen over the last few years.  I don't look at it from a stats perspective in terms of DOVA and I think there are many posters here that feel the same way.  I'm open to seeing a change at DC, one with a different philosophy than we currently run on D.  Could it be worse, yup, it definitely could.  It could also be better.  At this point, I think the D has peaked and we've seen the best we are going to with the current D.  I also think there is room for improvement and that the current philosophy of the D will not get us to where we want to be.

 

The only thing I would say that other posters have pointed out is that it's not just a sample size against KC.  It's a sample size against contenders as opposed to lesser quality teams, coaches, and QB's.  I think that is the point other posters are trying to make.

 

[ndirish1978]

8 pages and no one has asked who Lesile is? Board is slippin'

[HamptonBillsfan]

Leslie wears out his welcome in every place he's been. With"bend don't break" Sean, we need an aggressive, pressure the QB and create turnovers type of guy. Could you imagine a defense that gave Josh short fields and even scored points. That's a SB slam dunk.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

Think one of the issues Frazier has to overcome is being in the shadows of McD.  Since McD's background is from the defensive side of the ball he gets some of the credit for the D and takes away from Frazier.  Likely part of the same issue Biemeny in KC is having as in the shadows of Reid.  Also defensive coaches are considered much less sexy than OC's from a hiring standpoint these days.  Likely Frazier isn't up on all the latest buzzwords as some 35 YO DC might be.

 

Could argue that Daboll's success was due to having Allen, but seems the NFL world tends to more give the coach the credit for making the player.  Likely helped Daboll too in that Allen was considered to be a huge risk and not likely to ever become great, so coaching is probably given more value to Allens success than say a Mahomes.

[par73]

Frazier is doing really well, given the circumstances. I'm assuming McDermott signed off on (or called ) the disastrous 13 second defense. Explains why Frazier is still employed.

[Mailman]

On 2/8/2022 at 8:27 AM, Buffalo Boy said:

I’ll make millions on a one year deal to coach any team😎

I would do the same. I have inherent GM leadership skills.  My fantasy football success translates seamlessly...right?😏

[LABILLBACKER]

On 2/10/2022 at 3:20 AM, BobbyC81 said:

Maybe, like Farwell, Frazier will find another DC job.  😉

I'd sure like to say farewell to Frazier. 

[BobbyC81]

4 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

I'd sure like to say farewell to Frazier. 

Or “Down goes Frazier!”?

[Rick 'r Mortis]

On 2/8/2022 at 10:14 PM, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I think at times, the glimpses of the steel under the soft-speaking exterior come through.  Like when he was talking about Levi Wallace and how defenses were "picking" on him and he said "Levi needs to make a play.  If he makes a play, then they'll stop picking on him".  He was clearly challenging Levi to step up, and he did.

 

 

I've never gone into an interview without wanting the job.

 

I've sometimes changed my mind during the interview.  One time I got a speeding ticket on the way home.

Interesting.

 

I apply for jobs just to see what happens. It's actually fun. My wife asks why. I ask why not .

[Doc Brown]

On 2/10/2022 at 1:55 PM, phypon said:

The only thing I would say that other posters have pointed out is that it's not just a sample size against KC.  It's a sample size against contenders as opposed to lesser quality teams, coaches, and QB's.  I think that is the point other posters are trying to make.

That's an interesting dynamic.  He's able to feast off the bad to mediocre offenses but struggles as much as anyone when facing elite offenses.  Is it a scheme problem?  Does our scheme make us overvalue the talent of our defense when they look great against poor to middling offenses?  Specifically the LB's and secondary.  I think it's key this offseason to find guys that can generate organic pressure when we do face these elite offenses because the scheme isn't changing as long as McDermott's here.

[Nihilarian]

Everyone touting that #1 Buffalo Bills passing defense...out of 17 games, 9 were against either backups, rookies or scrub QBs. That Buffalo defense lost to two rookie QBs in 2021 in Mac Jones, Trevor Lawrence. 

 

552 yards of offense given up to the Chiefs in that playoff game. Loss to the Steelers, loss to the Colts, loss to the Patriots, loss to the Bucs...in OT with a Brady to Perriman 58 yard TD pass.

Why, because LB Tremaine Edmunds was covering a WR.

 

That 13 seconds by a Frazier defense...the guy will never live that down. Everyone will remember that disaster of a defense in covering the sidelines...while allowing two of the best receivers in the game, Hill for 19 yards, Kelce for 25 yards.  Giving them the whole middle of the field. 

 

You don't jam them at the line, don't double them?... even LB Edmunds 15 yards off the LoS, 6 DBs with 2 safeties deep in a prevent?

 

I like Leslie Frazier, just don't much care for his defense sometimes.

 

 

OTOH, Look at what the Bengals did to stymie Mahomes, Incredible. 

 

 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

People really want to give Frazier the credit for the 13 seconds. That was all Sean McDermott. He called timeout twice to make sure they were in the defense he wanted.

 

Doesn't make it any better but McDermott owns those defensive calls.

 

Listening to Bruce it sounds like the players were out of position. That's still coaching but what we saw on the field wasn't the plan.

Edited February 12, 2022 by Buffalo_Stampede

[GunnerBill]

38 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

 

OTOH, Look at what the Bengals did to stymie Mahomes, Incredible. 

 

 

 

Bengals made some good adjustments and they were able to win up front in a way the Bills still struggle to (those struggles are on talent not coaching). But it still needed Patrick Mahomes to make some really poor mistakes and fail to see open receivers to work. The same as when the Bills held Mahomes in check week 5. You can have a good plan, you can execute it well, but to stymie him you need him to be off. 

 

Not taking anything away from the Bengals. But it was much on Mahomes as on them. 

2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

People really want to give Frazier the credit for the 13 seconds. That was all Sean McDermott. He called timeout twice to make sure they were in the defense he wanted.

 

Doesn't make it any better but McDermott owns those defensive calls.

 

Listening to Bruce it sounds like the players were out of position. That's still coaching but what we saw on the field wasn't the plan.

 

Yep. It is on everyone on that side of the ball. They all have to own it. McDermott, Frazier and the players. They had two plays and only needed to execute once ton win the game and failed both times. Questionable calls, mis-communication and poor execution in the biggest moment. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Bengals made some good adjustments and they were able to win up front in a way the Bills still struggle to (those struggles are on talent not coaching). But it still needed Patrick Mahomes to make some really poor mistakes and fail to see open receivers to work. The same as when the Bills held Mahomes in check week 5. You can have a good plan, you can execute it well, but to stymie him you need him to be off. 

 

Not taking anything away from the Bengals. But it was much on Mahomes as on them. 

 

Yep. It is on everyone on that side of the ball. They all have to own it. McDermott, Frazier and the players. They had two plays and only needed to execute once ton win the game and failed both times. Questionable calls, mis-communication and poor execution in the biggest moment. 

Mahomes was seeing so much 2 high safeties that he wasn't prepared for single high and 8 in Coverage. Had Buffalo rushed 3 or even 2 with 13 seconds we win the game.

 

Heck don't rush anyone. Ugh.

[Nihilarian]

2 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Mahomes was seeing so much 2 high safeties that he wasn't prepared for single high and 8 in Coverage. Had Buffalo rushed 3 or even 2 with 13 seconds we win the game.

 

Heck don't rush anyone. Ugh.

That Buffalo defense was 15 yards off the LoS, besides the 4 D linemen!  AND the entire middle of the field was wide open!

 

The first pass to Hill for 19 yards with Edmunds an Teron Johnson making the tackle. This put them at the Kansas 44 yard line. 

 

The second pass when to Travis Kelce over the middle for 25 yards with Levi Wallace making the tackle. Now at the Buffalo 31 for a 49 yard FG.

 

The Bills were in a prevent defense, 7 defenders 15 yards off the LoS, save the D line.

 

The Bengals never went into a prevent, AND never left the entire middle of the field WIDE OPEN.

 

Now, perhaps McD needs to take the blame for that defense.

 

My point is... that everyone will remember it was Leslie Frazier as the Buffalo defensive coordinator. 

 

As for Mahomes taking the blame for that loss to the Bengals. The Chiefs won the toss in OT. Mahomes threw deep to Hill and hit him in the hands...it bounced off his hands and was intercepted by Bell. I don't put that on the QB. Hill catches that ball at the Cincy 40 and its a different game. 

 

 

[Brand J]

9 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

That Buffalo defense was 15 yards off the LoS, besides the 4 D linemen!  AND the entire middle of the field was wide open!

 

The first pass to Hill for 19 yards with Edmunds an Teron Johnson making the tackle. This put them at the Kansas 44 yard line. 

 

The second pass when to Travis Kelce over the middle for 25 yards with Levi Wallace making the tackle. Now at the Buffalo 31 for a 49 yard FG.

 

The Bills were in a prevent defense, 7 defenders 15 yards off the LoS, save the D line.

 

The Bengals never went into a prevent, AND never left the entire middle of the field WIDE OPEN.

 

Now, perhaps McD needs to take the blame for that defense.

 

My point is... that everyone will remember it was Leslie Frazier as the Buffalo defensive coordinator. 

 

As for Mahomes taking the blame for that loss to the Bengals. The Chiefs won the toss in OT. Mahomes threw deep to Hill and hit him in the hands...it bounced off his hands and was intercepted by Bell. I don't put that on the QB. Hill catches that ball at the Cincy 40 and its a different game. 

 

 

I continue to say if the Bills were up by less than 3, you would’ve seen a completely different defense those last 13 seconds. And the shame in this scenario is that’s exactly how they should’ve approached it - same urgency, same reluctance to give up the “game winning” FG.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

On 2/8/2022 at 9:12 AM, Marvlevydraftdaygenius said:

When Lovie Smith, gets a head coaching job over Frazier.  Is Lovie really better than Frazier?  Lovie’s defense was horrible last year except when he played the Jets and Lovie’s tenure in Illinois was something you would not write the books about.

 I know the Kanas City game  was a disaster and it would be hard to sell a fan base on that game but even I think Frazier is better then Lovie Smith. 

 

Somebody had to take the job

 

 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

On 2/8/2022 at 9:27 AM, Buffalo Boy said:

I’ll make millions on a one year deal to coach any team😎

 

Me too, i could easily make a team tank, id have John Skelton as my OC and frazier as my dc 😉

 

 

On 2/8/2022 at 9:29 AM, ScottLaw said:

Well… he did say he doesn’t like to make adjustments to the game plan this past season …

 

Frazier said this !?!? Do you have a link anywhere