YoloinOhio Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: The only reason I can think of is McDermott. For me, it would confirm a concern I have, that McDermott was interfering with the offense at times this season and there was rift between Daboll and McD. Dorsey might have witnessed this and/or heard Daboll saying the HC wants this so we do this. Dorsey also might have a better relationship with Dabes. Couple of possibilities. McDermott is the HC and responsible for both sides of the ball. That’s not “interfering”. mcdermott brought Dorsey to Buffalo in the first place. If Dorsey decides to go to the NYG, some kind of speculative rift with McD seems the least likely reason. If he wants to just be Daboll’s assistant and not call plays, but paid like an OC, that’s the most likely reason. Edited January 29, 2022 by YoloinOhio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 56 minutes ago, teef said: Good for him. This is a huge step. NY is going to be a tough media experience for him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slippery Rubber Mats Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 Dorsey can get himself a lot more leverage in negotiations if there are rumors of him leaving. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 13 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said: I wouldn’t be shocked if Kenny Pickett isn’t a Giant and they move on from Jones before the draft That would probably be a good move for them. They have the ability to do it now due to having both the GM and Coach in place prior to the draft. Unlike the Bills when McDermott took over and Whaley was a GM in name only. If they do pass on a QB this draft I hope Schoen and Daboll follow the model that McDermott and the Bills provided in 2017 by trading back and getting an extra first round pick for the next draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loveorhatembillsfan4life Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 (edited) I hve no issue Mcd placing Daboll in line and if him and Dorsey had an issue so be it. Not sure that can be substainated in any way though. Daboll was headscratching so many times..and at times the results were not good enough. But he rightfully earned the chance to be a Head Coach so it was inevitable for him to leave. Obviously Josh has only ever known one guy. But these are professionals, smart guys who will come in and lay out their offense. I’m not worried about our guys needing to learn new terminology. They have been playing football forever. Mcd just needs to being someone in With an innovative mind. If he wants a safe offensive coach Mcd will be done. This offense is meant to be big play explosive. Edited January 29, 2022 by loveorhatembillsfan4life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 16 hours ago, Bangarang said: I thought the only thing considered a promotion is getting a HC job. Going from position coach to coordinator is not a promotion. Dorsey would be a fool not to stay here if he was offered the OC job though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 2 hours ago, ßookie_tech said: Yeah I know that the hiring team doesn’t lose picks. But let’s say that the hiring decision came down to Coach A and Coach B, and it was very close. And Coach A was a minority within the division, I would have to think that giving a division rival 2 extra 3rd round picks would factor into the decision. I know we all joke here about the Pats getting comp picks, I’m sure it’s something coaches think about too. So you think so highly of a coach that you deem him worthy of being your HC, but you don’t think that taking him away from your rival is worth that team getting pick 99 in the next two drafts? You’re way overthinking this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 16 hours ago, GunnerBill said: I am worried McDermott is a bit obsessed with running it more. He is going to hire a stretch zone guy and make the feature of our offense Devin freaking Singletary. So what you are saying is you are breaking news that the Bills hired Marty Schottenheimer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loveorhatembillsfan4life Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 Think Tierney could be in play for Giants OC. He's got a history with Daboll dating back to Bama. Ryan Talbot @RyanTalbotBills Shea Tierney is another coach I could see the #Bills losing regardless of what Ken Dorsey decides. Tierney was an offensive analyst under Brian Daboll at Alabama and joined him in Buffalo in 2018 as an offensive assistant. Promoted to assistant QBs coach in 2020. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 11 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: Dorsey would be a fool not to stay here if he was offered the OC job though. Not only would he be a fool but it would be a slap in the face to Josh considering their relationship. Would you rather be Allen's OC or Daniel "future backup" Jones'? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 Just like any of us in our jobs, sometimes people need the right situation to succeed. I think Daboll and Josh have been good for each other and are integral parts of each others journey to get where they are. That said, feels good to be a Bills fan in all of it. Having a top QB means I don’t worry about the OC hire, especially if we are able to keep it internal. I would be much more concerned if we had Carr, Tannehill, Cousins, or even Stafford. Josh just had a historical two playoff games. We will be fine. 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
97bills Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 1 hour ago, Nihilarian said: The Chiefs had their own problems with a rebuilt offensive line, defensive injuries. I don't know that the Chiefs faced a cover 2 shell scheme against the Buffalo Bills in a 38-20 KC loss in week 5. Or the Ravens, Chargers, Titans, Bengals who they also lost to in 2021? Mahomes was pressing and attempting to carry his team all on his* own. He was clearly struggling for the first part of 2021. You actually think that every team he faced that gave him trouble ran a cover 2 shell? Buffalo also had offensive line issues for a lot of the season. This better O line also helped Buffalo in being able to run the ball more effectively, give Josh more time in the pocket later in the season. Actually utilizing the running game with the RBs also helped the offense. For Buffalo, that cover 2 shell was kryptonite and Daboll couldn't figure out how to defeat it. The Bills/Allen came alive in the second half of that Tampa bay game. Quite a bit of that was all Josh Allen. I also think that McD read Daboll the riot act at that time, or a well placed boot. Nevertheless, shortly after the Bills started running the ball more with the RBs. Previously, I kept reading in this forum how the team needed a RB, needed better O line players. All that talk suddenly stopped after that Bucs game. Tell me again it was Daboll and not Allen...as that young QB played near two perfect playoff games! I do believe it was more Allen! Man we never had a QB like this one lol so for me too it’s all Allen dude is a beast , don’t get me wrong OC play dose impact the offense but Allen is going to make plays. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 I wonder if Daboll will raid McDermott's staff on the defensive side of the ball? Maybe John Butler for his DC? https://bufbills.com/player-bios/john_butler.pdf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 Just now, 97bills said: Man we never had a QB like this one lol so for me too it’s all Allen dude is a beast , don’t get me wrong OC play dose impact the offense but Allen is going to make plays. The kid is a unicorn. His arm, accuracy is as good as Mahomes...if not better. And no QB in the NFL can run and throw like him. Mahomes can run, just nowhere near as good as Allen. The Buffalo Bills are so darn lucky to have him! Many fans are concerned that McD will hire a Greg Roman type OC and run the ball more. No way! McD is not a fool as he knows the best player on the entire team is the QB, with that arm of his. Allen literally destroyed that #2 New England Patriots passing defense in that WC game with 5 passing TDs while playing a perfect game. The guy threw more TDs then incompletions!!! Overall performance grade of 100%! This stuff is what Buffalo Bills fans live for! My hope is that the Bills find an OC who wants to keep Allen in the pocket as much as possible while allowing the Bills RBs to do most of the ground work. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 18 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said: Good for him. Best of luck. Seems a decent guy. However I was 50/50 about him. I think McD didn't help the offense at all. I would like to know how McD didn’t help the offense? What do you have to suggest this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 Love Daboll. But like Belichick said when a coordinator of his gets a head coaching gig ad starts raiding his existing staff its disrespectful. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 7 minutes ago, Beast said: I wonder if Daboll will raid McDermott's staff on the defensive side of the ball? Maybe John Butler for his DC? https://bufbills.com/player-bios/john_butler.pdf Martindale was the rumor for Daboll's DC. Let's see how that pans out...but I think that would be a good pairing. I also think that IF Flores doesn't walk away with a HC job he could be in play as DC as well. NYG reportedly did like him and they both have those NE ties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 34 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: So what you are saying is you are breaking news that the Bills hired Marty Schottenheimer? Haha. I just don't want us to look like a team that is trying to prop up a QB. There are about 7 teams in the entire league lucky enough not to be in that spot and we are one of them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBob Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 (edited) 16 hours ago, Joe Ferguson said: Good for Daboll. Now fire Frazier and give him 13 seconds to pack his stuff and leave. If he says it's not enough, remind him how it was enough for the Chiefs to comeback due to his terrible choice of plays. I'm sure he will insist on having all of his timeouts, though.😁 Edited January 29, 2022 by BuffaloBob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 Oh look, Doug Pederson breaking down Josh Allen film. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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