Texans getting closer to hiring Josh McCown as Head Coach

[RyanC883]

10 hours ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said:

No Byron Leftwich or Eric Bienemy but Josh mcCown gets the job?

 

seems like Leftwich turned down Jags job?

 

 

[Blank Stare]

8 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

did Flores apply for Texans job? 

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/texas-sports-nation/texans/amp/Brian-Flores-gets-second-interview-with-Texans-16819548.php

[Doc]

9 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

I think it's way worse.  Yes, O'Connell has worked himself up the ranks relatively quickly, but he's been a position coach and has been an OC for 3 years for 2 different teams, and is about to take his team to the Superbowl.  

 

It's been an overall trend to hire "hot" young coaches from the Offensive side of the ball, over far more experienced Defensive guys:

McVay was hired with 3 years as OC and 3 years as a position coach, and went to the Superbowl his first year.

Zac Taylor was hired with 2 years as OC (one for the Dolphins and one for a college) and 5 or 6 years overall NFL experience and hey, Watch This.

 

It's hard to argue it's inappropriate when it's a pattern that has had demonstrated success, and the position coaches for championship teams are typically a hot commodity.

 

McCown has NO coaching experience.  None.  Zilch. Zippo.

 

Just to clarify, McVay took the Rams to a SB in his 2nd season as HC.  

 

Hiring McCown would be unprecedented.  And stupid.  But if they do and it somehow works out...

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

3 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Just to clarify, McVay took the Rams to a SB in his 2nd season as HC.  

 

Hiring McCown would be unprecedented.  And stupid.  But if they do and it somehow works out...

...it would be thanks to the people he assembled as coordinators and positional coaches.

[RoyBatty is alive]

13 hours ago, Doc said:

 

And they fired Culley after 1 year, doing far better than anyone thought they would.

 

 

Not true at all, totally false  and often repeated narrative.

 

The over/under for the Texans was 4, exactly how many games they won.   And Culley was not a good coach at all, he made some incredible blunders is why he was fired.  They should have beat the Patriots but Culley and his dumb decisions let the Texans gave the game away.

[Doc]

3 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

Not true at all, totally false  and often repeated narrative.

 

The over/under for the Texans was 4, exactly how many games they won.   And Culley was not a good coach at all, he made some incredible blunders is why he was fired.  They should have beat the Patriots but Culley and his dumb decisions let the Texans gave the game away.

 

I'm not sure how they figured 4 wins.  They beat the Jags twice and the Titans and Chargers.  At best I'd figure they'd have split with the Jags and lost the others, to finish 1-16.  

[TheFunPolice]

the GM and Romeo Crennel were BOTH in Culley's headset during games, which is just bizarre to me. 

 

I'm surprised Easterby wasn't in there as well. 

 

Culley worked miracles with what he dealt with IMO.

 

 

[RoyBatty is alive]

5 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

the GM and Romeo Crennel were BOTH in Culley's headset during games, which is just bizarre to me. 

 

I'm surprised Easterby wasn't in there as well. 

 

Culley worked miracles with what he dealt with IMO.

 

 

They should have been in his headseat, Culley made some idiotic mistakes that cost the Texans some games.  He was a nice guy but in way over his head.

https://theathletic.com/2883499/2021/10/12/david-culley-admits-his-mistakes-but-will-the-texans-coach-learn-from-them/

 

 

[BillsFan4]

10 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

the GM and Romeo Crennel were BOTH in Culley's headset during games, which is just bizarre to me. 

 

I'm surprised Easterby wasn't in there as well. 

 

Culley worked miracles with what he dealt with IMO.

 

 

Wow that’s crazy! I didn’t even know that was allowed.

 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/12/20/nick-caserio-david-culley-regularly-communicate-during-games/

 

I remember the browns GM getting suspended for sending texts to his coaches during the game. But I guess this is allowed since they communicated via headset.

 

What a **** show the Texans are.

[TheFunPolice]

6 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

They should have been in his headseat, Culley made some idiotic mistakes that cost the Texans some games.  He was a nice guy but in way over his head.

https://theathletic.com/2883499/2021/10/12/david-culley-admits-his-mistakes-but-will-the-texans-coach-learn-from-them/

 

 

 

Did Culley make those mistakes, or was having the GM, and the "consultant" or whatever they called Romeo Crennell, in his headset chattering away at key moments a distraction that caused him to botch decisions?

[RoyBatty is alive]

14 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

 

Did Culley make those mistakes, or was having the GM, and the "consultant" or whatever they called Romeo Crennell, in his headset chattering away at key moments a distraction that caused him to botch decisions?

I have zero animus toward Culley, zero.   Now if he were the Bills HC I would be livid with him and his jaw dropping mistakes.

 

Unfortunately, I get to hear the woes of the Texans living in Houston, inundated with it.  No obviously I dont know exactly who made the actual decisions but 1) Culley was the HC and 2) read that article i referenced, he said those were his mistakes.   If Culley was distracted that was his fault.   I have heard a lot of Culley press conferences and the man simply isnt that smart.

 

I have had interaction with the Texans front office, and I can tell you the current owner has the IQ of a fencepost and the entire organization is wildly dysfunctional.  They have an owner that thinks he is a minister, a minister that thinks he is the owner, a GM that thinks he is HC and a HC that just wanted to retire (Culley) and get his $ which he did.  I think it was $24 million.

Edited February 3, 2022 by RoyBatty is alive

[TheFunPolice]

2 hours ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

I have zero animus toward Culley, zero.   Now if he were the Bills HC I would be livid with him and his jaw dropping mistakes.

 

Unfortunately, I get to hear the woes of the Texans living in Houston, inundated with it.  No obviously I dont know exactly who made the actual decisions but 1) Culley was the HC and 2) read that article i referenced, he said those were his mistakes.   If Culley was distracted that was his fault.   I have heard a lot of Culley press conferences and the man simply isnt that smart.

 

I have had interaction with the Texans front office, and I can tell you the current owner has the IQ of a fencepost and the entire organization is wildly dysfunctional.  They have an owner that thinks he is a minister, a minister that thinks he is the owner, a GM that thinks he is HC and a HC that just wanted to retire (Culley) and get his $ which he did.  I think it was $24 million.

 

that all makes total sense! 

 

It's pretty crazy how dysfunctional that franchise truly is

[streetkings01]

3 hours ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

 

 

Not true at all, totally false  and often repeated narrative.

 

The over/under for the Texans was 4, exactly how many games they won.   And Culley was not a good coach at all, he made some incredible blunders is why he was fired.  They should have beat the Patriots but Culley and his dumb decisions let the Texans gave the game away.

We as the over/under before or after Watson was essentially benched for the season?

[SectionC3]

16 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

 

I think it's way worse.  Yes, O'Connell has worked himself up the ranks relatively quickly, but he's been a position coach and has been an OC for 3 years for 2 different teams, and is about to take his team to the Superbowl.  

 

It's been an overall trend to hire "hot" young coaches from the Offensive side of the ball, over far more experienced Defensive guys:

McVay was hired with 3 years as OC and 3 years as a position coach, and went to the Superbowl his first year.

Zac Taylor was hired with 2 years as OC (one for the Dolphins and one for a college) and 5 or 6 years overall NFL experience and hey, Watch This.

 

It's hard to argue it's inappropriate when it's a pattern that has had demonstrated success, and the position coaches for championship teams are typically a hot commodity.

 

McCown has NO coaching experience.  None.  Zilch. Zippo.

 

 

I thought he was a volunteer coach at the high school of one of his kids.   Just the same as coaching the dolphins to a winning record, right? I kid, of course.  
 

 

I don’t think the idea of hiring someone “fresh” is all that crazy.  Maybe not a great idea, but not completely, impossibly nuts.  (Look at the NBA.). But to do it now would throw a reservoir of gasoline on the Flores fire. 

[RoyBatty is alive]

11 minutes ago, streetkings01 said:

We as the over/under before or after Watson was essentially benched for the season?

way way before it was obvious Watson wasnt playing for the Texans. And he wasnt exactly benched but that is not worth delving into.  

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

I wish someone had been on McDermott's headset for the final 13 seconds. That is all.

[RoyBatty is alive]

21 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

I thought he was a volunteer coach at the high school of one of his kids.   Just the same as coaching the dolphins to a winning record, right? I kid, of course.  
 

 

I don’t think the idea of hiring someone “fresh” is all that crazy.  Maybe not a great idea, but not completely, impossibly nuts.  (Look at the NBA.). But to do it now would throw a reservoir of gasoline on the Flores fire. 

Sports radio in Houston had a field day mocking the Texans with McCown's explanation of why he didnt coach last year.  Paraphrasing, he said he wasn't ready to be a HC last year when he first interviewed and wanted to watch his sons play high school football.  So he said NOW he " was all  in " to be HC because he had that one year to watch his sons play high school football as if he is now prepared to be an NFL HC.  

Edited February 3, 2022 by RoyBatty is alive

[streetkings01]

1 hour ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

way way before it was obvious Watson wasnt playing for the Texans. And he wasnt exactly benched but that is not worth delving into.  

So basically the over/under was 4 games with Watson, so even with a franchise QB the odds makers seen Houston as a bad team. So without Watson they still managed to win 4 games, lost 4/13 games by 1 score. With Watson that Houston team probably wins 6-8 games.

[Doc]

42 minutes ago, streetkings01 said:

So basically the over/under was 4 games with Watson, so even with a franchise QB the odds makers seen Houston as a bad team. So without Watson they still managed to win 4 games, lost 4/13 games by 1 score. With Watson that Houston team probably wins 6-8 games.

 

If the O/U was 4 games with Watson, that makes more sense.  Without him I'd say the O/U would have been 1.

[RoyBatty is alive]

18 hours ago, streetkings01 said:

So basically the over/under was 4 games with Watson, so even with a franchise QB the odds makers seen Houston as a bad team. So without Watson they still managed to win 4 games, lost 4/13 games by 1 score. With Watson that Houston team probably wins 6-8 games.

No incorrect.  The over/under before the season started when it was 99% certain there would be no Watson was 4 games.  I dont know what the over under was when Watson was still a possibility but the odds of him returning were dropping daily.  

Edited February 4, 2022 by RoyBatty is alive

[RoyBatty is alive]

17 hours ago, Doc said:

 

If the O/U was 4 games with Watson, that makes more sense.  Without him I'd say the O/U would have been 1.

1?  LOL, not even close.  

 

If there was ever a over/under with just one win  ALL the $ would come in on the over and wouldn't last long.

 

Do you know how "difficult" it is to NOT win in the NFL?  How many teams only win 1 or no games, rarely happens.  Even as dysfunctional as Jax with a goofball coach and rookie QB was  they managed to win 3. 

 

And here were the pre-season over/unders from last year

 

https://www.thelines.com/odds/nfl-win-totals/

[Captain Caveman]

On 2/3/2022 at 8:06 AM, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

...it would be thanks to the people he assembled as coordinators and positional coaches.

Which is a very important part of being a HC

[Doc]

54 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

1?  LOL, not even close.  

 

If there was ever a over/under with just one win  ALL the $ would come in on the over and wouldn't last long.

 

Do you know how "difficult" it is to NOT win in the NFL?  How many teams only win 1 or no games, rarely happens.  Even as dysfunctional as Jax with a goofball coach and rookie QB was  they managed to win 3. 

 

And here were the pre-season over/unders from last year

 

https://www.thelines.com/odds/nfl-win-totals/

 

OK, 2.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

2 hours ago, Captain Caveman said:

Which is a very important part of being a HC

Agreed, but the wild card there might well be Elder Easterby's approval of the hiring.

[Victory Formation]

This seems odd. I suppose if the Texans really wanted McCown on their staff, why not as an assistant? Or at the very most, why not as their QB coach? Very strange to me.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, Victory Formation said:

This seems odd. I suppose if the Texans really wanted McCown on their staff, why not as an assistant? Or at the very most, why not as their QB coach? Very strange to me.

 

Agreed.

 

McCown would seem eminently qualified to be a coaching assistant or assistant QB coach...QB coach with no coaching experience would be a stretch, but I don't think it would raise too many eyebrows.

 

Hiring a HC with no coaching experience in the NFL at any level at a point where there's heightened awareness of looking at qualifications and hiring the most qualified coaches...it's like saying FU to the NFL and the rest of the NFL owners.

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Agreed.

 

McCown would seem eminently qualified to be a coaching assistant or assistant QB coach...QB coach with no coaching experience would be a stretch, but I don't think it would raise too many eyebrows.

 

Hiring a HC with no coaching experience in the NFL at any level at a point where there's heightened awareness of looking at qualifications and hiring the most qualified coaches...it's like saying FU to the NFL and the rest of the NFL owners.

 

When he interviewed last year there should have been a serious conversation "if this is really what you want to do, then you have to coach in 2021." If the Texans knew Culley was a hand on the tiller in a re-set year and they were interested in exploring McCown again long term the proviso should have been that he coached in some way in 2021. 

[Punching Bag]

On 1/21/2022 at 1:29 PM, jkeerie said:

The main criteria the Texans are using for their coaching search is the answer to the question, "Will you take the  job?"  

If the candidate answers "Yes" he's hired.  

 

No viable candidate would ever consider that job.  The Texans made it even less attractive by firing Culley after one season.

 

If you could negotiate a large multiyear year deal like Gruden did it could be appealing.  Guaranteed failure so no one blames you and you go coach in college for a while with double salary.

[QLBillsFan]

23 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Agreed.

 

McCown would seem eminently qualified to be a coaching assistant or assistant QB coach...QB coach with no coaching experience would be a stretch, but I don't think it would raise too many eyebrows.

 

Hiring a HC with no coaching experience in the NFL at any level at a point where there's heightened awareness of looking at qualifications and hiring the most qualified coaches...it's like saying FU to the NFL and the rest of the NFL owners.

Unreal that he’s being considered! Fire Culley who given circumstances did decent job. Ok yes his game management had some issues. But particularly given the sensitivity about minority hiring, it’s just dumbfounding.

[MJS]

This would be the oddest hire in the last 20 years, at least. He has no credentials. This is incredible.

[GunnerBill]

2 hours ago, MJS said:

This would be the oddest hire in the last 20 years, at least. He has no credentials. This is incredible.

 

You say that but the credentials required for being hired as Head Coach of the Texans are attendance at one of Jack Easterby's prayer meetings. McCown must be a regular. 

[BillsFan4]

This would be such a horrible look for the NFL, especially with the Brian Flores stuff going on.

 

It would emphasize the claim that white coaches are given opportunities that minority coaches aren’t.  I don’t see how the Texans could even sell McCown as qualified for the job at all, let alone more qualified than other available candidates.

Almost 40% of NFL assistant coaches are minorities, yet every year the NFL seems to find some new, totally inexperienced white candidate to promote over all of the (much more qualified) minority candidates.

 

 

[Mr. WEO]

On 2/4/2022 at 10:43 AM, RoyBatty is alive said:

1?  LOL, not even close.  

 

If there was ever a over/under with just one win  ALL the $ would come in on the over and wouldn't last long.

 

Do you know how "difficult" it is to NOT win in the NFL?  How many teams only win 1 or no games, rarely happens.  Even as dysfunctional as Jax with a goofball coach and rookie QB was  they managed to win 3. 

 

And here were the pre-season over/unders from last year

 

https://www.thelines.com/odds/nfl-win-totals/

 

Browns did it in consecutive years.

[Richard Noggin]

26 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Browns did it in consecutive years.

And someone is alleging that was 100% intentional.

[RoyBatty is alive]

3 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

U .Browns did it in consecutive years.

 

I guess Tom Brady signifies how critical 6th rd draft picks can be.

 

You are wrong, your assertion of a 1 over/under for the NFL was asinine, you can either be intellectually honest about it or not.  It is very rare for an NFL team in today's parity-based league to win only 1 or no games.  Does it happen yes, is it very rare, absolutely, not even up to debate.

[Doc]

4 hours ago, BillsFan4 said:

This would be such a horrible look for the NFL, especially with the Brian Flores stuff going on.

 

It would emphasize the claim that white coaches are given opportunities that minority coaches aren’t.  I don’t see how the Texans could even sell McCown as qualified for the job at all, let alone more qualified than other available candidates.

Almost 40% of NFL assistant coaches are minorities, yet every year the NFL seems to find some new, totally inexperienced white candidate to promote over all of the (much more qualified) minority candidates.

 

It's mostly a horrible look for the Texans.

[3rdand12]

30 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

It's mostly a horrible look for the Texans.

one in a series.

They should not have interviewed Flores and then take Josh. But Easterby is empowered to be that guy.

 Why Anyone would go there as HC is beyond me

Unless Watson is coming back 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

12 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

You say that but the credentials required for being hired as Head Coach of the Texans are attendance at one of Jack Easterby's prayer meetings. McCown must be a regular. 

If McCown says no, they're deciding between Jessie Duplantis or Joel Osteen. 🤨

[BuffaloBillyG]

Appearently it's down to Flores and McCown officially. This about to get GOOD.

 

 

[Mr. WEO]

2 hours ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

 

I guess Tom Brady signifies how critical 6th rd draft picks can be.

 

You are wrong, your assertion of a 1 over/under for the NFL was asinine, you can either be intellectually honest about it or not.  It is very rare for an NFL team in today's parity-based league to win only 1 or no games.  Does it happen yes, is it very rare, absolutely, not even up to debate.

 

Good think I didn't mention an over/under then, right?