Utah John Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 I try to worry about only things I can control. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemac2001 Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 11 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: Here's the thing Clowns(not you) have been talking bills relocation for 25 plus years.. it wasn't feasible then And it's not now The league learned the mistake of ripping a team from a Blue collar city like Cleveland.. a small City with passionate fans Journalists and the like will always speculate.. but there are multiple teams that would relocate before the bills We are an AFL original. And our fans are recognized as some of the most passionate in the game All of that would be destroyed if the bills were moved.. and I don't think that's something the NFL, Terry pegula or Roger wants We also give the NFL some of its Best ratings in United States Something the league also probably doesn't want to lose.. because if we leave those ratings are gone Exactly - they act like every team has to be in a huge market (there’s not alot of them to begin with ) also bills fanbase travels well and is spread out. pegulas would also be required to sell the sabres which I don’t see terry doing they are playing hardball trying to get the best deal for there business Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 Just another excuse to get drunk, I like it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 No! Close thread! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 I don't have much concern but since it is Erie County politicians I am not nearly as confident as some of you. I have seen the city of Buffalo and Erie County screw up easier things than this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 15 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: Here's the thing Clowns(not you) have been talking bills relocation for 25 plus years.. it wasn't feasible then And it's not now The league learned the mistake of ripping a team from a Blue collar city like Cleveland.. a small City with passionate fans Journalists and the like will always speculate.. but there are multiple teams that would relocate before the bills We are an AFL original. And our fans are recognized as some of the most passionate in the game All of that would be destroyed if the bills were moved.. and I don't think that's something the NFL, Terry pegula or Roger wants We also give the NFL some of its Best ratings in United States Something the league also probably doesn't want to lose.. because if we leave those ratings are gone Agree with all of this. Another thing: Terry Pegula’s favorite team, the Buffalo Sabres, automatically become utterly unviable in Buffalo if he remains the owner of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayboy54 Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 and, how’s that new Peace Bridge coming along? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 6 hours ago, Utah John said: I try to worry about only things I can control. How do you watch the games? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlCowlingsTaxiService Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 And y’all think Sully is bad 😂😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 The narrative on all sides seems to be optimistic and non-adversarial. It started out with a little posturing, which is when we heard the "end of year" thing. I am about zero alarmed. We will know well before relocation is a real possibility. In guessing a deal is announced during the playoffs 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeFrommStateFarm Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 (edited) So what exactly is the "deal" ? Were the numbers published on: - The cost to taxpayers ? How much will taxes go up ? - The cost of PSLs ? Some PSLs for other stadiums can run as 30-40k per seat - The cost of season tickets ? By now we know that PSLs and season tickets are 2 different things I'm sorry I missed the last 45 page thread on the subject The tax paying citizens of Buffalo and WNY have a right to know Edited January 1, 2022 by JakeFrommStateFarm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrb1979 Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 1 hour ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said: So what exactly is the "deal" ? Were the numbers published on: - The cost to taxpayers ? How much will taxes go up ? - The cost of PSLs ? Some PSLs for other stadiums can run as 30-40k per seat - The cost of season tickets ? By now we know that PSLs and season tickets are 2 different things I'm sorry I missed the last 45 page thread on the subject The tax paying citizens of Buffalo and WNY have a right to know It's only a guess but when this new stadium is built a lot of people will be priced out of going. Between PSLs and the price of season tickets many will no longer be able to afford going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 21 hours ago, aceman_16 said: No. /close thread Why do people on this forum say this? ”Close thread”? I frequent several forums and this is the only forum that I see it said often. Do you feel so entitled that only your opinion or thought should be elicited? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 20 hours ago, Warcodered said: To be fair it's the organizations involved own fault for putting out a date like that. Agreed. I fail to understand what Tim Graham did wrong here. The organization set a date and specifically said you “should be worried” if we reach that date without a deal. The date arrives, there is no deal, we were told to be worried if this happen, and Tim Graham points it out. What are people snarking about? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 44 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said: It's only a guess but when this new stadium is built a lot of people will be priced out of going. Between PSLs and the price of season tickets many will no longer be able to afford going. This is true. I'm also surprised they're dropping the capacity so much from 71 to 60k? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 1 minute ago, LABILLBACKER said: This is true. I'm also surprised they're dropping the capacity so much from 71 to 60k? No surprise at all. Fewer seats = more demand. This was expected all along. 5 minutes ago, Einstein said: Agreed. I fail to understand what Tim Graham did wrong here. The organization set a date and specifically said you “should be worried” if we reach that date without a deal. The date arrives, there is no deal, we were told to be worried if this happen, and Tim Graham points it out. What are people snarking about? He took posturing and negotiating through the media at face value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Info Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 42 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said: It's only a guess but when this new stadium is built a lot of people will be priced out of going. Between PSLs and the price of season tickets many will no longer be able to afford going. This has been mentioned in other threads but Bills club seats already have PSLs. Certainly, the PSL part of the ticket will be higher with a new stadium but club seat occupancy seems rather popular and not depressed due to PSLs. Regular seating may also have PSLs in the new stadium. Some season ticket holders will be priced out but others will take their place…especially if the Bills are winning. The Bills have a number of season ticket holders, myself included, that do not live near Buffalo. The local per capita income may not be the only basis for ticket demand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 22 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: No surprise at all. Fewer seats = more demand. This was expected all along. He took posturing and negotiating through the media at face value. 22 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: No surprise at all. Fewer seats = more demand. This was expected all along. He took posturing and negotiating through the media at face value. Just kinda sucks a little that the Bills will have the lowest capacity in the NFL. Soldier field is 61, 500. At least I'm warming up to an open stadium as long as they figure out a way to minimize the wind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrb1979 Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 7 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: Just kinda sucks a little that the Bills will have the lowest capacity in the NFL. Soldier field is 61, 500. At least I'm warming up to an open stadium as long as they figure out a way to minimize the wind. My guess is with lower capacity they can get away with upping the average ticket price from $82 to closer to $120 or more. With the team winning it will be an easy sell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 6 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: Just kinda sucks a little that the Bills will have the lowest capacity in the NFL. Soldier field is 61, 500. At least I'm warming up to an open stadium as long as they figure out a way to minimize the wind. Buffalo is one of the smallest markets in the NFL , so the new capacity is much more in line with the area. 61.5k for Soldier Field and CHI ha millions more population than Buffalo. As for the wind , most of the issues stem from the sunken design of the lower bowl in OP. It’s a safe bet that won’t be incorporated in the new layout. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 48 minutes ago, Mr Info said: This has been mentioned in other threads but Bills club seats already have PSLs. Certainly, the PSL part of the ticket will be higher with a new stadium but club seat occupancy seems rather popular and not depressed due to PSLs. Regular seating may also have PSLs in the new stadium. Some season ticket holders will be priced out but others will take their place…especially if the Bills are winning. The Bills have a number of season ticket holders, myself included, that do not live near Buffalo. The local per capita income may not be the only basis for ticket demand. Didn't I read a story about Bills not selling season tickets to people outside of WNY zip codes? I know part of it was a deal to sell unsold tickets to travel agency (scalper) who was paying more than face. 5 hours ago, clayboy54 said: and, how’s that new Peace Bridge coming along? It is on schedule as soon as that mega store fishing thing is demolished. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 25 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: Buffalo is one of the smallest markets in the NFL , so the new capacity is much more in line with the area. 61.5k for Soldier Field and CHI ha millions more population than Buffalo. As for the wind , most of the issues stem from the sunken design of the lower bowl in OP. It’s a safe bet that won’t be incorporated in the new layout. There are two causes - sunken design and stadium needed to be rotated from original design. Have one end open also contributed to issue. A friend of mine who was an architect was given opportunities to provide some design ideas to Bills. One was open roof one with pointed curved pillars (they looked like claws to me) around it and roof over spectators. It was designed so snow would roll off roof to piles on ground. Beautiful stadium. He died from brain cancer. Before he died he designed and got to see "Buffalo Wings' expansion of Jimmy's Old Town Tavern, my Bills bar. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 Is it off season already? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 (edited) 41 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: Buffalo is one of the smallest markets in the NFL , so the new capacity is much more in line with the area. 61.5k for Soldier Field and CHI ha millions more population than Buffalo. As for the wind , most of the issues stem from the sunken design of the lower bowl in OP. It’s a safe bet that won’t be incorporated in the new layout. Market size is not why they are reducing capacity. 19 minutes ago, Limeaid said: Didn't I read a story about Bills not selling season tickets to people outside of WNY zip codes? 200 miles. If I recall correctly. Edited January 1, 2022 by Einstein Edited because this ridiculous forum software has no spacing/padding guidelines. Simple CSS would fix it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 31 minutes ago, Mark Vader said: Is it off season already? Feels like it with no Saturday games this late in season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwight in philly Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 45 minutes ago, Limeaid said: There are two causes - sunken design and stadium needed to be rotated from original design. Have one end open also contributed to issue. A friend of mine who was an architect was given opportunities to provide some design ideas to Bills. One was open roof one with pointed curved pillars (they looked like claws to me) around it and roof over spectators. It was designed so snow would roll off roof to piles on ground. Beautiful stadium. He died from brain cancer. Before he died he designed and got to see "Buffalo Wings' expansion of Jimmy's Old Town Tavern, my Bills bar. Great place.. was there once.. you do feel you are in Buffalo.. the bar feel.. sorry about your friend. Glad he got to experience Jimmy's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red hots Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 I'm not worried just now, but say by the time the superbowl is over theres no deal I might be a bit more concerned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 13 minutes ago, dwight in philly said: Great place.. was there once.. you do feel you are in Buffalo.. the bar feel.. sorry about your friend. Glad he got to experience Jimmy's Uncle Dave semi-retired and for last 22 years he decorated Jimmy's for games. No one does it now and I know it is a new place with expanded kitchen, outdoor bar with fireplace, etc. but what I miss most was his decorating. I gave him a number of items to use. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Info Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 1 hour ago, Limeaid said: Didn't I read a story about Bills not selling season tickets to people outside of WNY zip codes? I know part of it was a deal to sell unsold tickets to travel agency (scalper) who was paying more than face. I believe that is true for new season ticket holders. Those that were season ticket holders before this went into effect were grandfathered…and there are a significant number. I expect we would be grandfathered into the new stadium as well…or they may drop that requirement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 2 hours ago, Einstein said: Market size is not why they are reducing capacity. I’m aware of that , Einstein. Never said it was. I mentioned the reason further up thread.This was a response to a post expressing disappointment at the size of the stadium and a comparison. To Chicago, which has a much larger population. Cheers 🍺 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 I doubt a deal will be reached in an election year. This is an easy yes for us Bills fans but it's a hot potato for a candidate, especially in this unstable economy with inflation, and possibly a recession on the horizon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceman_16 Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 6 hours ago, Einstein said: Why do people on this forum say this? ”Close thread”? I frequent several forums and this is the only forum that I see it said often. Do you feel so entitled that only your opinion or thought should be elicited? Yes /close thread 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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