Sights and Sounds of the game from Pats perspective

[CorkScrewHill]

They took a pretty even handed approach to the video.  Some nice different perspectives

 

https://www.patriots.com/video/sights-and-sounds-week-16-vs-buffalo-bills

 

Sorry for the original mistaken link .. thanks @BillsIsrael for catching that

Edited December 29, 2021 by CorkScrewHill

[BillsIsrael]

Did you mean
https://www.patriots.com/video/sights-and-sounds-week-16-vs-buffalo-bills

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

31 minutes ago, BillsIsrael said:

Did you mean
https://www.patriots.com/video/sights-and-sounds-week-16-vs-buffalo-bills

 

 

Man, that dropped TD by Kumerow was bad.  He had it, he just didn't tuck it away properly as he went to the ground.  You can tell he knew it, too.

 

 

 

[Warcodered]

45 minutes ago, BillsIsrael said:

Did you mean
https://www.patriots.com/video/sights-and-sounds-week-16-vs-buffalo-bills

 

Huh I wonder why they skipped Diggs' TD?

[The Wiz]

26 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Man, that dropped TD by Kumerow was bad.  He had it, he just didn't tuck it away properly as he went to the ground.  You can tell he knew it, too.

 

 

 

He did but even allen said he had the time to set his feet and throw a better ball. 

 

Live and learn for both of them. 

[Brand J]

On that beautiful TD shovel pass to Knox, the play could’ve easily been flagged as #75 Williams was again too far downfield, about 3 or 4 yards in the endzone. He’s got a bad habit of doing that. 

Edited December 29, 2021 by JayBaller10

[BillnutinHouston]

3 hours ago, JayBaller10 said:

On that beautiful TD shovel pass to Knox, the play could’ve easily been flagged as #75 Williams was again too far downfield, about 3 or 4 yards in the endzone. He’s got a bad habit of doing that. 

 

FWIW, not saying it was necessarily the case on the play you refer to but it's my understanding that if the O lineman stays continuously engaged with his man, he is allowed to be downfield.

[atlbillsfan1975]

5 hours ago, Warcodered said:

Huh I wonder why they skipped Diggs' TD?

I listened to the LockedOn Pats Monday podcast. I am sick to relish their misery, but I don’t care. They brought the Diggs finger pointing up, saying basically how teams never use to do this and the luster is wearing off.  The doubt is slowly creeping in again for Pats nation that Jones might be what a lot of people said he was, the most ready with the least upside QB in the 2021 draft, and that BB doesn’t have the same culture in NE without Tom. 

[BuffaloBill]

5 hours ago, The Wiz said:

He did but even allen said he had the time to set his feet and throw a better ball. 

 

Live and learn for both of them. 

 

 

Yes, this was maybe the only obvious error on the part to #17 all day.  

[nucci]

I get we beat the crap out of them but they're 9-6, play Jacksonville and close with Dolphins. They can still make the playoffs. Just like here, there is so much doom and gloom after every loss. People here wanted McDermott fired after 1st Pats game now he's being praised as a great coach

Edited December 29, 2021 by nucci

[CSBill]

5 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Man, that dropped TD by Kumerow was bad.  He had it, he just didn't tuck it away properly as he went to the ground.  You can tell he knew it, too.

 

 

 

 

But let's be honest, it may have been the worst easy pass of Josh's career. Kumerow was wide-open from the start of the play; yes, he dropped it, but it was a great effort to even make a play on a very poorly thrown ball.

 

Reminds me several years ago when I was coaching. We're playing the #4 ranked (D3) softball team in the country and their all-american pitcher is throwing a no-hitter against us. Our #7 batter hits a shot to right center field, the center fielder make a great effort on the ball, dives for it, lays out straight and it hits her gove but she can't pull it in. I later found out the coach instructed the official score keeper (from the home team of course) to give the CF an error to keep the no-no in tack. It was a hit in any other situation. I was not happy. .... Good news, that same gal for us broke up the no-hitter two innings later 🙂

 

[Doc]

That's a catch Kumerow has to make if he wants to be a full-time player.  And it's the reason why he's not.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

28 minutes ago, CSBill said:

But let's be honest, it may have been the worst easy pass of Josh's career. Kumerow was wide-open from the start of the play; yes, he dropped it, but it was a great effort to even make a play on a very poorly thrown ball.

 

You didn't watch that clip, did you?  1:25 in.  We see other team's WR make similar adjustments several times a game.  It was a difficult throw for Josh, on the run to his left, but it was an entirely catchable ball.  Kumerow got both hands on it, but put his right arm out to break his fall instead of keeping both hands on it.

 

 It was not a "very poorly thrown ball" much less "the worst easy pass of Josh's career".  Could it have been better, sure, but Pats WR have been catching worse balls from Jones all damned season.  It was in no way analogous to a CF diving for it and laying out straight.

 

There was a much harder pass later in the game that McKenzie hauled in at a dead run, fully extended, and slammed into the turf (but kept both hands on the ball and hauled it in).   THAT was a catch analogous to a CF diving and laying out straight.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

50 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said:

Yes, this was maybe the only obvious error on the part to #17 all day.  

 

No, the pass that Jackson could have intercepted but dropped was apparently a worse error.  2:38 in that clip.

 

  It's possible Diggs wasn't where Allen expected him to be, possibly that could be what you meant by "obvious error"?

 

5 hours ago, The Wiz said:

He did but even allen said he had the time to set his feet and throw a better ball.

 

Not sure what you mean by "even Allen".  Allen always takes the blame and says he needs to make a better throw.  Yes, it could have been a better throw, but Kumerow got both hands on the ball and he wasn't laid out straight or climbing the ladder for it or about to get sandwiched by two defenders.

 

He needs to catch that.

[Doc]

8 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

No, the pass that Jackson could have intercepted but dropped was apparently a worse error.  2:38 in that clip.

 

  It's possible Diggs wasn't where Allen expected him to be, possibly that could be what you meant by "obvious error"?

 

I think Josh thought Diggs was going to go out and he went in instead.

[BuffaloBill]

8 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

No, the pass that Jackson could have intercepted but dropped was apparently a worse error.  2:38 in that clip.

 

  It's possible Diggs wasn't where Allen expected him to be, possibly that could be what you meant by "obvious error"?

 

 

 

Yes, it’s hard to know if the near interception was on #17 or #14 or some combo of both. The missed TD to Kumerow (#87) was a clear error on the part of #17.  

[Hapless Bills Fan]

7 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said:

Yes, it’s hard to know if the near interception was on #17 or #14 or some combo of both. The missed TD to Kumerow (#87) was a clear error on the part of #17.  

 

We'll just have to agree to disagree on that.  I don't think any throw where a R handed QB rolls to the L to escape pressure and extend the play can be called a "clear error". 

 

Could it have been placed more perfectly, sure, but I was always told when a professional WR can get both hands on a ball and not be hit immediately, he needs to catch it.

 

6 hours ago, Warcodered said:

Huh I wonder why they skipped Diggs' TD?

 

They seem to have skipped a number of good throws by Allen

[NewEra]

6 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Man, that dropped TD by Kumerow was bad.  He had it, he just didn't tuck it away properly as he went to the ground.  You can tell he knew it, too.

 

 

 

Considering how wide open he was, I thought it was just as bad as a throw as it was a drop.  Dude had no one near him and he rushed the throw.  I was pissed Kumerow didn’t catch it, but it was a semi tough catch on what should have been simple throw

[Dablitzkrieg]

Mac has a noodle ahm and the futua of the AFC is in Buffalo fah the next 20 yahs 

Edited December 29, 2021 by Dablitzkrieg

[NewEra]

They didn’t even show the josh the 4th and 1 bootleg.   Too much pain. 

Edited December 29, 2021 by NewEra

[BuffaloBill]

35 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

We'll just have to agree to disagree on that.  I don't think any throw where a R handed QB rolls to the L to escape pressure and extend the play can be called a "clear error". 

 

 

 Not to be argumentative, Josh Allen admitted as much. Sorry, I can’t find the quote right now but I read it somewhere. Will leave it at that and move on. 

 

JA played an awesome game on Sunday and this situation is no doubt clearly nitpicking relative to his body of work against the Cheats.

[Doc]

3 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said:

 Not to be argumentative, Josh Allen admitted as much. Sorry, I can’t find the quote right now but I read it somewhere. Will leave it at that and move on. 

 

JA played an awesome game on Sunday and this situation is no doubt clearly nitpicking relative to his body of work against the Cheats.

 

Josh never doesn't take the blame for a missed play like that.  That's why his teammates love him so much. 

 

Again, sure it could have been a better throw, but Kumerow had his hands on it and wasn't hit so he should have caught it, as he's paid to do.

[SCBills]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

You didn't watch that clip, did you?  1:25 in.  We see other team's WR make similar adjustments several times a game.  It was a difficult throw for Josh, on the run to his left, but it was an entirely catchable ball.  Kumerow got both hands on it, but put his right arm out to break his fall instead of keeping both hands on it.

 

 It was not a "very poorly thrown ball" much less "the worst easy pass of Josh's career".  Could it have been better, sure, but Pats WR have been catching worse balls from Jones all damned season.  It was in no way analogous to a CF diving for it and laying out straight.

 

There was a much harder pass later in the game that McKenzie hauled in at a dead run, fully extended, and slammed into the turf (but kept both hands on the ball and hauled it in).   THAT was a catch analogous to a CF diving and laying out straight.

 

The way some people have reacted to the Sanders/Kumerow drops reminds me of the excuses people made up for our WR's after Josh Allen's first Playoff Game against the Texans.  No one made a play, and then as the playoffs progressed, every game was filled with WR's making catches as difficult, or more difficult than the ones we needed our guys to make.  

 

Could Josh have thrown the ball better, sure... but those catches are routinely made by NFL WR's... not just elite NFL WR's, but run of the mill, normal #2, #3 WR's for most teams in the league.  

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 minutes ago, SCBills said:

 

The way some people have reacted to the Sanders/Kumerow drops reminds me of the excuses people made up for our WR's after Josh Allen's first Playoff Game against the Texans.  No one made a play, and then as the playoffs progressed, every game was filled with WR's making catches as difficult, or more difficult than the ones we needed our guys to make.  

 

Could Josh have thrown the ball better, sure... but those catches are routinely made by NFL WR's... not just elite NFL WR's, but run of the mill, normal #2, #3 WR's for most teams in the league.  

 

Exactly my feeling.  Was it a perfect throw/could it have been better?  No/Yes.  Was it a catchable ball that Kumerow was able to get both hands on, also Yes.  Does an NFL WR need to finish those, hell to the Yes.

 

Is Josh Allen going to throw his guys under a bus in the presser, ever?  No, he'll always take the blame "I need to make a better throw".

 

But for an NFL team to win, NFL WR need to haul in those imperfect throws, and our WR seem to have gotten the notion that they don't need to.

 

Mac Jones has had a high completion percentage this season because of the circus catches his group of relative "JAGs" have been hauling in.

[LeGOATski]

Yeah, that drop is on Kumerow. He literally had both hands on it and brought it into his chest before dropping it.

 

Too bad Gabe Davis was out. That's a TD for him.

[BarleyNY]

My favorite line from the video is the last one. The announcer mentioned that the Pats didn’t force a punt all game.  We turned it over on downs once, but no interceptions and no fumbles lost.  That’s pretty awesome.

[wjag]

7 hours ago, JayBaller10 said:

On that beautiful TD shovel pass to Knox, the play could’ve easily been flagged as #75 Williams was again too far downfield, about 3 or 4 yards in the endzone. He’s got a bad habit of doing that. 

If you watch Judon he’s literally hoping mad about it too. Look at his immediate reaction and calling for a flag.  Those are tough calls at goal line.  

1 hour ago, Doc said:

 

I think Josh thought Diggs was going to go out and he went in instead.

Yep. Their body language immediately said I thought this and you thought that.  

[Joe Mama]

Why is it when the Bills win I spend the whole next day searching the internet for the opposing team's fans reactions, but if the Bills lose I want to work in the yard or run errands? Weird, huh?

[aceman_16]

4 hours ago, BillnutinHouston said:

 

FWIW, not saying it was necessarily the case on the play you refer to but it's my understanding that if the O lineman stays continuously engaged with his man, he is allowed to be downfield.

You are correct.

[LeGOATski]

48 minutes ago, Joe Mama said:

Why is it when the Bills win I spend the whole next day searching the internet for the opposing team's fans reactions, but if the Bills lose I want to work in the yard or run errands? Weird, huh?

That's what's best in life.

 

[Doc]

1 hour ago, wjag said:

If you watch Judon he’s literally hoping mad about it too. Look at his immediate reaction and calling for a flag.  Those are tough calls at goal line.  

 

I saw that and was wondering what he was upset about.  But he can hop all he wants to.  It's not like Williams is going to stop engaging his guy just so he can go back to being within a yard of the LOS.

 

1 hour ago, wjag said:

Yep. Their body language immediately said I thought this and you thought that.  

 

Yeah.  Thankfully it didn't bite them in the ass.

[ProcessAccepted]

Just saw this one on Twitter. Made me smile

 

 

[wjag]

So in the scheme of JA17 era games, my top five games in order of delirium:

 

1.  Patriots in the Foxhole last Sunday.

2. Colts last year's playoffs with the TJ pick six

3. KC on SNF in the rain this year.

4. Dallas on Turkey day.

5. Patriots last year in the Foxhole on MNF