LABILLBACKER Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 5 hours ago, TN Bills Fan said: I thought Edmunds would improve but he constantly picks the wrong hole and/or misses the tackle in the hole. He's an outside linebacker. I'd take a bag of rocks over Edmunds. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billvernsays Posted December 9, 2021 Author Share Posted December 9, 2021 2 hours ago, streetkings01 said: That’s not our defense…..we don’t need a Brandon Spikes. All teams are gonna do when they see him on the field is throw the ball and then you guys will be complaining about that. It’s only a handful of you guys that hate Edmunds ……some of think he’s actually a good NFL LB…..not elite but definitely above average. I don’t hate Edmunds at all, I think he’s borderline elite at pass defense but very below average at stopping the run. Cunningham could be a great complimentary part of us being a team that can no longer be run over, why are people so against this idea? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock-A-Bye Beasley Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 10 hours ago, RoyBatty is alive said: Texans have been sitting people, keeping them out of games, totally dysfunctional and their HC is a borderline moron Allen’s first NFL QB coach Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 4 hours ago, streetkings01 said: That’s not our defense…..we don’t need a Brandon Spikes. All teams are gonna do when they see him on the field is throw the ball and then you guys will be complaining about that. It’s only a handful of you guys that hate Edmunds ……some of think he’s actually a good NFL LB…..not elite but definitely above average. Ok this is utter nonsense. Adding a LB that can play the run isn't going to cause our secondary to fall apart, just like it won't be a miracle cure for the run game. I'm fully aware our defense is base nickel, and he's not coming here to supplant Edmunds or Milano. What he does give you is incredible versatility in run-oriented packages, and right now that would cost us <$1M cap hit. Anyone against this idea doesn't watch football outside of Bills games (he's a tackling machine). And if you have been watching these Bills games and still have playoff aspirations, you should probably be aware that the Titans, Colts, and Patriots are going to be in our way. The locker room issues are way overblown. The Texans are a dumpster fire that just gave him a $58M contract and less than a year later benched him after a coaching change. Do you want a dumpster fire example? GM Bill O'Brien didn't want to pay Hopkins, so he traded him for a washed-up RB and a 2nd round pick. He then spent that money on Cunningham, got fired, and got to watch his replacement David Culley bench Cunningham for Kamu Grugier-HIll. Now he's waived and the Texans have to eat a $12M cap hit next year. Yikes. Regardless, don't freak out when an AFC rival grabs him Thursday because it won't matter -- we can't run the ball anyway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 If he is late for practice, he will be late on tackles Pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
streetkings01 Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 7 hours ago, QCity said: Ok this is utter nonsense. Adding a LB that can play the run isn't going to cause our secondary to fall apart, just like it won't be a miracle cure for the run game. I'm fully aware our defense is base nickel, and he's not coming here to supplant Edmunds or Milano. What he does give you is incredible versatility in run-oriented packages, and right now that would cost us <$1M cap hit. Anyone against this idea doesn't watch football outside of Bills games (he's a tackling machine). And if you have been watching these Bills games and still have playoff aspirations, you should probably be aware that the Titans, Colts, and Patriots are going to be in our way. The locker room issues are way overblown. The Texans are a dumpster fire that just gave him a $58M contract and less than a year later benched him after a coaching change. Do you want a dumpster fire example? GM Bill O'Brien didn't want to pay Hopkins, so he traded him for a washed-up RB and a 2nd round pick. He then spent that money on Cunningham, got fired, and got to watch his replacement David Culley bench Cunningham for Kamu Grugier-HIll. Now he's waived and the Texans have to eat a $12M cap hit next year. Yikes. Regardless, don't freak out when an AFC rival grabs him Thursday because it won't matter -- we can't run the ball anyway. What the heck are you talking about? Where did I say our secondary would fall apart if Cunningham was on the field? Stop trying to add words into my post to fit some argument. It’s the NFL there aren’t anymore obvious running downs unless it’s 3rd and inches. Teams don’t always run on 3rd and short. The point I was trying to make with Cunningham is once teams see him on the field it’s a dead giveaway that we’re playing the run, thus causing them to get him lined up on a RB or TE and throwing the ball and that will be another thing you guys will be complaining about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billvernsays Posted December 9, 2021 Author Share Posted December 9, 2021 6 hours ago, streetkings01 said: What the heck are you talking about? Where did I say our secondary would fall apart if Cunningham was on the field? Stop trying to add words into my post to fit some argument. It’s the NFL there aren’t anymore obvious running downs unless it’s 3rd and inches. Teams don’t always run on 3rd and short. The point I was trying to make with Cunningham is once teams see him on the field it’s a dead giveaway that we’re playing the run, thus causing them to get him lined up on a RB or TE and throwing the ball and that will be another thing you guys will be complaining about. As opposed to playing nickel and daring teams to run it down our throats. im not suggesting we even need to remove TE from the field, put ZC at MLB, TE on the Outside and sit Taron Johnson at time on 1st and 10. Don’t give ZC pass responsibility, maybe have him play run and blitz if it’s a pass. Do something creative Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 (edited) Titans are lower on the waiver priority than Buffalo so they never put in a claim. Not surprising. This isn't the regime to claim people released for disciplinary reasons whether they'd improve the team or not. Edited December 9, 2021 by BillsFanForever19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billvernsays Posted December 9, 2021 Author Share Posted December 9, 2021 This is unbelievably annoying 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 (edited) Tremaine Edmunds has been quite good for the majority of this season. He did not have a particularly good game against the Pats on Monday night. Other than that, he's been in the PLUS column far more than the MINUS column this season. We also saw how much worse off the defense was without him in the Colts game. Still, recency bias (and a host of other, less flattering considerations) lead to people on here basically ready to cut Edmunds and replace him with a street free agent. Madness. Edited December 9, 2021 by Logic 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billvernsays Posted December 9, 2021 Author Share Posted December 9, 2021 For 275k!? Man this is difficult to rationalize, I didn’t think he’d get to us, but the face that the Titans got him means we CHOSE to pass. Hopefully we get our run defense figured out or Beane will have to answer for why he felt this wasn’t a win now move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 Our linebackers are actually not a problem for this team......why would we claim Cunningham (I knew he was gonna get claimed though) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBean Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 Lol Titans just go for it. They take after their coach who is aggressive and doesn’t back down. Things are rocking in Tennessee. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billvernsays Posted December 9, 2021 Author Share Posted December 9, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Logic said: Tremaine Edmunds has been quite good for the majority of this season. He did not have a particularly good game against the Pats on Monday night. Other than that, he's been in the PLUS column far more than the MINUS column this season. We also saw how much worse off the defense was without him in the Colts game. Still, recency bias (and a host of other, less flattering considerations) lead to people on here basically ready to cut Edmunds and replace him with a street free agent. Madness. Not replace Edmunds but for the money ($275k) and the fact that ZC is so highly rated (number 1 vs the run over the past 3 years) it’s hard to say we wouldn’t benefit from him being on our 53 Edited December 9, 2021 by billvernsays Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 1 minute ago, McBean said: Lol Titans just go for it. They take after their coach who is aggressive and doesn’t back down. Things are rocking in Tennessee. Bills defense is different then the Titans scheme wise.....a run stuffing LB who can cover is maybe better for them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billvernsays Posted December 9, 2021 Author Share Posted December 9, 2021 (edited) TE has been great against the pass, close to elite in fact. But you can’t deny that he’s below average against the run because his instincts have not caught up with his athleticism. ZC is a beast an 100% instinctive LB, TE could’ve learned a thing or two from him. Edited December 9, 2021 by billvernsays Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaB Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 (edited) After the Colts and Pats game you think he would be welcoming addition. Guess not. Guys just gotta execute better, that’s all I keep hearing from this team for weeks now. Edited December 9, 2021 by BananaB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 Good chance we have the Pats twice, plus Indy and/or Ten in the the playoffs. Would be at least a run package/goal line LB. And someone that can add some toughness. Add in that Klein is on the COVID list and our depth is Edmunds, Milano, Klein, Dodson/Smith... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 56 minutes ago, McBean said: Lol Titans just go for it. They take after their coach who is aggressive and doesn’t back down. Things are rocking in Tennessee. Do you ever get tired of stroking every team in the NFL that is not the Bills? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 38 minutes ago, BananaB said: After the Colts and Pats game you think he would be welcoming addition. Guess not. Guys just gotta execute better, that’s all I keep hearing from this team for weeks now. It all starts with the coach. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 1 hour ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Titans are lower on the waiver priority than Buffalo so they never put in a claim. Not surprising. This isn't the regime to claim people released for disciplinary reasons whether they'd improve the team or not. Believe Zach Cunningham played at Vanderbilt in Nashville and grew up in Northern Alabama so he must be happy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 21 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said: I'd take a bag of rocks over Edmunds. So like the colts game… got it 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 Doesn’t surprise me that Cunningham wasn’t claimed. Beane seems to not make any of the obvious moves that could potentially help the Bills succeed (Ertz for a 5th?!) Plus, claiming Cunnigham means cutting someone else and putting Edmunds on notice and we can’t afford to hurt feelings. /sarcasm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 5 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said: Doesn’t surprise me that Cunningham wasn’t claimed. Beane seems to not make any of the obvious moves that could potentially help the Bills succeed (Ertz for a 5th?!) Plus, claiming Cunnigham means cutting someone else and putting Edmunds on notice and we can’t afford to hurt feelings. /sarcasm Would love Ertz and Cunningham on this team right now. Solid depth to go along with two young players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
streetkings01 Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 (edited) Looks like the majority of the teams passed on a 1 down LB in a passing league. Wanna know what’ll help our run defense more than a run stuffing LB???? How about an offense that can get back to scoring 30+ points and forcing the opposing offense to throw the ball more? Edited December 10, 2021 by streetkings01 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBean Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 3 hours ago, Beast said: Do you ever get tired of stroking every team in the NFL that is not the Bills? Who else have I “stroked”? Titans are physical football team with a top GM and probably most underrated coach in the league. They draft well, hit you in the mouth, and no other coach in the NFL has won more games as an underdog than Vrabel. Other team I love is the Colts. Sorry, they are built the way we should be built from top to bottom. I’m a fan of the Bills, but that doesn’t mean I have to think Beane and McDermott walk on water. I think they both are very very overrated. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 Missed an opportunity here. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billvernsays Posted December 10, 2021 Author Share Posted December 10, 2021 12 minutes ago, Victory Formation said: Missed an opportunity here. I’m usually the guy saying it’s not that easy and there are many variables to consider when bringing a new guy in, but given the fact that the Texans are paying his guaranteed $$$ I for the life of me don’t understand why you wouldn’t attempt to see if this would work out or not. So much potential upside almost zero downside 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Smith Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 3 hours ago, freddyjj said: Believe Zach Cunningham played at Vanderbilt in Nashville and grew up in Northern Alabama so he must be happy TN lost 3 ILB to injury Evans, Long, Rice so this is a nice get for them for 275K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
streetkings01 Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 1 hour ago, billvernsays said: I’m usually the guy saying it’s not that easy and there are many variables to consider when bringing a new guy in, but given the fact that the Texans are paying his guaranteed $$$ I for the life of me don’t understand why you wouldn’t attempt to see if this would work out or not. So much potential upside almost zero downside It’s because we don’t run a 4-3 defense ……we run a 4-2-5…..he doesn’t fit in this defense at all. It’s the equivalent of playing a CB that only plays zone and playing him in a primarily man 2 man defense. It’s the same reason why Spikes only lasted a season with us…..we pretty much tip our hand every time he’s in the game because he could only do one thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billvernsays Posted December 10, 2021 Author Share Posted December 10, 2021 8 minutes ago, streetkings01 said: It’s because we don’t run a 4-3 defense ……we run a 4-2-5…..he doesn’t fit in this defense at all. It’s the equivalent of playing a CB that only plays zone and playing him in a primarily man 2 man defense. It’s the same reason why Spikes only lasted a season with us…..we pretty much tip our hand every time he’s in the game because he could only do one thing. Just because that’s what we have done doesn’t mean that’s what we should do moving forward. We should run multiple packages when they go heavy we SHOULD be in a position to counter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 12 hours ago, Logic said: Still, recency bias (and a host of other, less flattering considerations) lead to people on here basically ready to cut Edmunds and replace him with a street free agent. Nobody in this thread is suggesting we cut Edmunds or replace him, and if you think ZC is a "street free agent" it's clear you have no idea what you're talking about. But you're not alone -- it's pretty obvious most here have never heard of him or seen him play. If this was a washed-up running back that everybody had on their fantasy team 5 years ago this thread would be 50 pages. It's very, very rare that a player of this caliber becomes available in December like this, especially at this price. Anyone insinuating that ZC doesn't have a place in this league due to his coverage skills simply does not know what they're talking about. 10 hours ago, freddyjj said: Believe Zach Cunningham played at Vanderbilt in Nashville and grew up in Northern Alabama so he must be happy Vrabel and his DC Shane Bowen were on the Texans coaching staff when ZC was a rookie in 2017. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billvernsays Posted December 10, 2021 Author Share Posted December 10, 2021 3 hours ago, QCity said: Nobody in this thread is suggesting we cut Edmunds or replace him, and if you think ZC is a "street free agent" it's clear you have no idea what you're talking about. But you're not alone -- it's pretty obvious most here have never heard of him or seen him play. If this was a washed-up running back that everybody had on their fantasy team 5 years ago this thread would be 50 pages. It's very, very rare that a player of this caliber becomes available in December like this, especially at this price. Anyone insinuating that ZC doesn't have a place in this league due to his coverage skills simply does not know what they're talking about. Vrabel and his DC Shane Bowen were on the Texans coaching staff when ZC was a rookie in 2017. ^^^^^ 100% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 14 hours ago, streetkings01 said: It’s because we don’t run a 4-3 defense ……we run a 4-2-5…..he doesn’t fit in this defense at all. It’s the equivalent of playing a CB that only plays zone and playing him in a primarily man 2 man defense. It’s the same reason why Spikes only lasted a season with us…..we pretty much tip our hand every time he’s in the game because he could only do one thing. Is Klein better in run defense or coverage than ZC? Is Dodson? He at a minimum provides more depth than those guys for a playoff run. And do we never play goal line or short yardage defense? We never have 3 LB's on the field? McD just got pissed at a reporter for asking they dont and said he does it. Against the Pats we need 3 LB's. I would argue the same vs TEN and IND. All likely playoff opponents. 8 hours ago, QCity said: Nobody in this thread is suggesting we cut Edmunds or replace him, and if you think ZC is a "street free agent" it's clear you have no idea what you're talking about. But you're not alone -- it's pretty obvious most here have never heard of him or seen him play. If this was a washed-up running back that everybody had on their fantasy team 5 years ago this thread would be 50 pages. It's very, very rare that a player of this caliber becomes available in December like this, especially at this price. Anyone insinuating that ZC doesn't have a place in this league due to his coverage skills simply does not know what they're talking about. Vrabel and his DC Shane Bowen were on the Texans coaching staff when ZC was a rookie in 2017. The logic can be funny on these boards. For $275K we have a huge upgrade for our limited LB depth -we dont do it and obviously its because he sucks, is not a good fit, etc. The guy is a football player, has toughness, proven he can play at a starter caliber level but we dont need that. We have AJ Klein who is hopefully coming off the COVID list and Joe Giles if he cant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank Stare Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 Not a former Panther. Never would’ve worked out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 On 12/9/2021 at 1:35 PM, billvernsays said: TE has been great against the pass, close to elite in fact. But you can’t deny that he’s below average against the run because his instincts have not caught up with his athleticism. ZC is a beast an 100% instinctive LB, TE could’ve learned a thing or two from him. So TE gets an A for his pass coverage and D for run support. I have an idea, why don't we find a MLB who's a solid B at both responsibilities? What are we going to do, bench him every time we play a run team or just wear it and play with 10. We very likely will face the Pats, Titans or Colts before we face KC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billvernsays Posted December 12, 2021 Author Share Posted December 12, 2021 On 12/10/2021 at 5:02 PM, LABILLBACKER said: So TE gets an A for his pass coverage and D for run support. I have an idea, why don't we find a MLB who's a solid B at both responsibilities? What are we going to do, bench him every time we play a run team or just wear it and play with 10. We very likely will face the Pats, Titans or Colts before we face KC. Because players like this aren’t available, on waivers, for this cost, this late in the season. I hope I’m wrong and this is a non issue but IMO this was a guy that could’ve helped us on multiple packages during the stretch run and postseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 On 12/8/2021 at 12:52 PM, billvernsays said: If nothing else putting a claim in for ZC would light a fire under Edmunds The Texans will eat a $12.8 million dead cap hit next year. With no guarantees for 2022 and a $275K dead cap hit for the remainder of this year, it's likely that a team claims him off waivers. Why did they release him On 12/8/2021 at 1:55 PM, Logic said: Unless Cunningham can call plays on offense or catch the ball as a tight end, I'm not sure he'll fix what's ailing the Bills right now... Right Guard? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 On 12/9/2021 at 7:18 PM, JayBaller10 said: Doesn’t surprise me that Cunningham wasn’t claimed. Beane seems to not make any of the obvious moves that could potentially help the Bills succeed (Ertz for a 5th?!) Plus, claiming Cunnigham means cutting someone else and putting Edmunds on notice and we can’t afford to hurt feelings. /sarcasm Ertz went for a 5th!?! We screwed up there. Beane was making moves all The time his first two years but has gotten complacent since winning big last year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 On 12/9/2021 at 8:36 PM, McBean said: Who else have I “stroked”? Titans are physical football team with a top GM and probably most underrated coach in the league. They draft well, hit you in the mouth, and no other coach in the NFL has won more games as an underdog than Vrabel. Other team I love is the Colts. Sorry, they are built the way we should be built from top to bottom. I’m a fan of the Bills, but that doesn’t mean I have to think Beane and McDermott walk on water. I think they both are very very overrated. Eh, the Titans are on the downswing and will miss the playoffs. Their offense goes with Henry and with the pounding he's taken, it was inevitable that he would get injured. I doubt he's ever fully healthy again and if so, there goes the team. And the Bills have gotten further in the playoffs than them. The Colts are good. But they too are dependent on their RB. They'll only go so far because Wentz is a caretaker QB at best now. And the Bills beat them when it counted in the playoffs. Hopefully they hand the Cheaters a loss next weekend, though. As for being overrated, those got the Bills to the playoffs their first season together when everyone thought the team was taking, and the team has made the playoffs 3 of the past 4 years. They also obviously found a great QB. They were on track to easily make them this year (I still think they will) until COVID threw a wrench intp things, which is on the players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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