Doc Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 5 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Possibly. Keep in mind I’m only restating an opinion/strategy I heard. It remains to be seen if this pundit is correct. Oh I think the pundit is correct. It's just that Putin badly miscalculated and the irony is he will have severely tarnished his reputation as a result. When millions of Russians are suffering because he wanted to invade another country and the world made him pay, the history books won't be too kind to him even if he were to get that land, which he won't. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 31 minutes ago, Doc said: Oh I think the pundit is correct. It's just that Putin badly miscalculated and the irony is he will have severely tarnished his reputation as a result. When millions of Russians are suffering because he wanted to invade another country and the world made him pay, the history books won't be too kind to him even if he were to get that land, which he won't. Quite possibly true. If this pundit is correct, he doesn't care what the current history will say. He only cares what the long-term history will show.....he got Ukraine back. Russian society is not like American society. It doesn't blow in the wind waiting for the next election cycle. It's so hard for Americans to understand that, but I'm guessing it's just as hard for them to understand us and why we waste so much time flip-flopping back and forth between regimes and dogmas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 9 hours ago, Tiberius said: “The purpose of the visit is to confirm the unequivocal support of the entire European Union for the sovereignty and independence of Ukraine. The aim of this visit is also to present a broad package of support for Ukraine and Ukrainians." Those things cannot co-exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TH3 Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 56 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Quite possibly true. If this pundit is correct, he doesn't care what the current history will say. He only cares what the long-term history will show.....he got Ukraine back. Russian society is not like American society. It doesn't blow in the wind waiting for the next election cycle. It's so hard for Americans to understand that, but I'm guessing it's just as hard for them to understand us and why we waste so much time flip-flopping back and forth between regimes and dogmas. He ain’t got Ukraine back….in fact odds are against that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 It looks like Russia is building a cover story to justify the use of nuclear weapons in Ukraine. They are now claiming the US is advising Ukraine on the development of nuclear weapons, that the Ukrainian government has everything it needs, and that they cannot allow Ukraine to obtain nuclear capacity... Sounds like Putin is itching to go nuclear, no? https://www.jpost.com/international/article-701359 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 50 minutes ago, TH3 said: He ain’t got Ukraine back….in fact odds are against that. You really have a major reading comprehension issue! I said that’s what Putin is thinking. Geeeez. Go back to class…the bell rang long ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted March 15, 2022 Author Share Posted March 15, 2022 From the BBC: An international peacekeeping mission with military capability should be sent to Ukraine, the leader of Poland's ruling party has suggested while on a symbolic trip to Kyiv. "I think that it is necessary to have a peace mission - Nato, possibly some wider international structure - but a mission that will be able to defend itself, which will operate on Ukrainian territory," Jaroslaw Kaczynski said. He made the suggestion at a press conference in Ukraine's capital, where he appeared tonight alongside the country's president Volodymyr Zelensky and the prime ministers of Poland, the Czech Republic, and Slovenia. The central European leaders have made the risky trip to Kyiv by train in a show of support for Ukraine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 A very reasonable, accurate assessment of many issues tht have come up in this thread, specifically, the air war. The guy with the Navy shirt on is Ward Carroll, a retired F-14 RIO, (back seater). Many things I have mentioned are explained in detail, ie., no fly zone, providing airplanes etc. Time spent watching this is far better spent than watching the TV nonsense spewed out by ignorant "hosts." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBARgW_vHVE&t=79s 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted March 16, 2022 Author Share Posted March 16, 2022 53 minutes ago, sherpa said: A very reasonable, accurate assessment of many issues tht have come up in this thread, specifically, the air war. The guy with the Navy shirt on is Ward Carroll, a retired F-14 RIO, (back seater). Many things I have mentioned are explained in detail, ie., no fly zone, providing airplanes etc. Time spent watching this is far better spent than watching the TV nonsense spewed out by ignorant "hosts." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBARgW_vHVE&t=79s That was really good. Ya, I see the no fly zone might back fire. Putin’s lost, it’s just hard to take watching him murder this country, but staying patient might be the best plan. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 6 minutes ago, Tiberius said: That was really good. Ya, I see the no fly zone might back fire. Putin’s lost, it’s just hard to take watching him murder this country, but staying patient might be the best plan. I am proud of you Tibs. There are a few components to that link. One is the drastic diminution of the Russian Air Force and their obvious inability to coordinate and support their ground forces. Two is the obvious lack of training, especially in close air support, which is training and com intense. Three is something we have always known from debriefing, which is that the Russians have limited capability to prevent friendly shoot downs. They simply haven't cared. Four is that Putin is screwed. His only out card is a NATO intervention. Th last ten minutes or so discuss that in detail. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted March 16, 2022 Author Share Posted March 16, 2022 3 minutes ago, sherpa said: I am proud of you Tibs. There are a few components to that link. One is the drastic diminution of the Russian Air Force and their obvious inability to coordinate and support their ground forces. Two is the obvious lack of training, especially in close air support, which is training and com intense. Three is something we have always known from debriefing, which is that the Russians have limited capability to prevent friendly shoot downs. They simply haven't cared. Four is that Putin is screwed. His only out card is a NATO intervention. Th last ten minutes or so discuss that in detail. Really surprised about the Ukrainian intermediate SAMs. Don’t hear much about them. Also, how well the low budget, small drones they have in small numbers are performing. And Russias inability to use drones because we have compromised their communications. Never thought of that! But now it seems obvious. Our drones would simply punish the Russians very severely, but that might not be necessary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted March 16, 2022 Author Share Posted March 16, 2022 —- I saw part of this video before now the whole thing. Deadly attack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chef Jim Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 50 minutes ago, Tiberius said: That was really good. Ya, I see the no fly zone might back fire. Putin’s lost, it’s just hard to take watching him murder this country, but staying patient might be the best plan. Yay! Finally coming around. 👍🏻 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffeesforclosers Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 3 hours ago, Tiberius said: That was really good. Ya, I see the no fly zone might back fire. Putin’s lost, it’s just hard to take watching him murder this country, but staying patient might be the best plan. From your lips to Congress' ears. Doing more might feel good, but it also feels like interrupting your enemy while he's making a mistake. Then again, Putin could go completely insane. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 'We all will be judged.' Russian prisoners of war voice disquiet, shame over war in Ukraine I want to tell Russian servicemen: lay down your arms and leave your stations, don't come here. Everyone wants peace here." Vladimir then went a big step further, saying: "I want to tell our commander-in-chief to stop terror acts in Ukraine because when we come back we'll rise against him." Another reconnaissance officer at the same event echoed the sentiment, addressing Putin directly. "You won't hide this for long. There are many like us here. Sooner or later, we'll come home." Speaking to CNN, Maxim, the pilot, became emotional about the suffering inflicted on civilians since the invasion. https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/15/europe/ukraine-russian-prisoners-of-war-intl/index.html Here is more hope when the Russian military thinks Putin is evil 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted March 16, 2022 Author Share Posted March 16, 2022 Yes The Biden administration is considering providing Ukraine with U.S.-made killer drones — cutting-edge guided missiles that could accurately target Russian tanks and artillery positions from miles away — two congressional officials briefed on the matter told NBC News. No decisions have been made, but the officials said the White House is mulling whether to equip Ukraine with explosives-laden “loitering missiles,” called Switchblades, as part of a new package of military aid President Joe Biden is expected to discuss Wednesday. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/ukraine-asks-biden-admin-armed-drones-jamming-gear-surface-air-missile-rcna20197 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 15 hours ago, Motorin' said: It looks like Russia is building a cover story to justify the use of nuclear weapons in Ukraine. They are now claiming the US is advising Ukraine on the development of nuclear weapons, that the Ukrainian government has everything it needs, and that they cannot allow Ukraine to obtain nuclear capacity... Sounds like Putin is itching to go nuclear, no? https://www.jpost.com/international/article-701359 WMD as an invasion excuse…. Where did they come up with that idea??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Motorin' Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 1 hour ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: WMD as an invasion excuse…. Where did they come up with that idea??? If you watched Putin's whole speech spelling out his reasoning for the invasion, he justified everything against the back drop of Iraq. 1 minute ago, aristocrat said: What a POSchiff 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 1 minute ago, aristocrat said: This is a stupid take IMO. Of all the things to worry about at this point in time. What is Congress going to do? Not send weapons to Ukraine because the President doesn’t want to wear a suit while leading a country through a war. Give me a break. Plus, at this point, it’s kind of his thing. It would be weird to see him NOT in a T-shirt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDD Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 4 minutes ago, aristocrat said: Hahhaa, Peter Schiff hasn't been out of HIS suit since 1991! Let alone "rolled his sleeves up" for anything. I know it's tough to visualize a war zone from the ivory tower but my gawd! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 16 minutes ago, aristocrat said: When someone finally writes the definitive work on what brought down western civilization it’ll be the shortest doctoral thesis in history…one word…Twitter. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffeesforclosers Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 44 minutes ago, aristocrat said: What a dumbass. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wnyguy Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 1 hour ago, aristocrat said: What's Zelenkeyys deal? Put on a suit man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 1 hour ago, LDD said: Hahhaa, Peter Schiff hasn't been out of HIS suit since 1991! Let alone "rolled his sleeves up" for anything. I know it's tough to visualize a war zone from the ivory tower but my gawd! I used to wear a suit and tie every day. Then Covid hit and it was a suit sans tie. Now it’s a swimsuit and reluctantly a pair of flip flops when I leave the house. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 1 hour ago, Motorin' said: If you watched Putin's whole speech spelling out his reasoning for the invasion, he justified everything against the back drop of Iraq. What a POSchiff Doesn’t he know the mens warehouse down the street in Kyiv was bombed to oblivion?? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BillStime Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 Putin loves his base - and who freakn cares about sanctions from Russia 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 50 minutes ago, BillStime said: Putin loves his base - and who freakn cares about sanctions from Russia Trump is not in office. Democrats are in power. Hillary probably trying to arrange more uranium to sell to Russia lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffeesforclosers Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 Something's going on in Belarus. Some opposition leader called Lukashenko a Russian puppet (he is), said his country is occupied, and called for western aid. There's also sounds like explosions across the country, though some folks are saying it's sonic booms from Russian and Belarusian fighters heading to Ukraine. Maybe it something, maybe it's not, but its supposedly happening right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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sherpa Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 34 minutes ago, Coffeesforclosers said: Something's going on in Belarus. Some opposition leader called Lukashenko a Russian puppet (he is), said his country is occupied, and called for western aid. There's also sounds like explosions across the country, though some folks are saying it's sonic booms from Russian and Belarusian fighters heading to Ukraine. Maybe it something, maybe it's not, but its supposedly happening right now. Just an observation from my view. Flying supersonic requires huge fuel consumption, something Russians don't have I seriously doubt any sounds are from sonic booms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 (edited) 6 hours ago, aristocrat said: man should be ripped apart for such a pathetic take. Edited March 17, 2022 by Buffalo Timmy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TH3 Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 1 hour ago, BillStime said: Not even close to the Helsinki presser with Putin unable to contain his laughter as DT tells the world he believes Putin over his own security agencies. Think about that…..just think about it. Go back and watch it….FFS. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TH3 Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 2 hours ago, aristocrat said: Trump is not in office. Democrats are in power. Hillary probably trying to arrange more uranium to sell to Russia lol When Magaworld stops telling everyone it would all be better if he was in office….we can stop reminding all what a Pos he was and still is. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 4 minutes ago, TH3 said: Not even close to the Helsinki presser with Putin unable to contain his laughter as DT tells the world he believes Putin over his own security agencies. Think about that…..just think about it. Go back and watch it….FFS. Fake news. Hoax. That didn’t happen and if it did you didn’t see the video correctly or you simply cannot read a transcript. C’mon man… get your priorities straight - you know President Hunter Biden’s laptop, CRT and kissing Putin’s rings. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 22 minutes ago, TH3 said: When Magaworld stops telling everyone it would all be better if he was in office….we can stop reminding all what a Pos he was and still is. well be nice if we weren’t worrying about nuclear war as we currently are under joe. Kind of need to take it as it comes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 33 minutes ago, TH3 said: When Magaworld stops telling everyone it would all be better if he was in office….we can stop reminding all what a Pos he was and still is. Trump might be a POS as a person, but Joey is a POS as a President. That's far worse for everyone. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted March 17, 2022 Author Share Posted March 17, 2022 4 minutes ago, Doc said: Trump might be a POS as a person, but Joey is a POS as a President. That's far worse for everyone. I dunno. Putin’s armed forces are being destroyed under Biden’s watch. 👍 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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