Big Blitz Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 6 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Ukraine holds real elections Lol sure. So does Russia. That's what Putin told me. It was a very democratic process in 2012 and 2018. Extremely democratic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted March 10, 2022 Author Share Posted March 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: Lol sure. So does Russia. That's what Putin told me. It was a very democratic process in 2012 and 2018. Extremely democratic. If you say so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 36 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: My point is if you call Ukraine a democracy what makes it different then Russia's? Both countries have had sham, rigged, or meddled in elections - pick your global oligarchs of choice whether its the Clinton's Bidens or Timchenko. This is why you support freedom first not just thump your chest and yell "democracy now." What the hell does this even mean in 2022 when I have lunatics right here in the U.S. calling freedom the sham. Your ignorance really lights up the board sometimes. Yeah, Zelensky is Putin. No difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 (edited) 39 minutes ago, John Adams said: Your ignorance really lights up the board sometimes. Yeah, Zelensky is Putin. No difference. No. The system. Zelensky is a sham Putin is a sham. This isn't about freaking democracy. Which of course its the mission of the United States to expand liberty around the world and make it safe for democracy. But pardon me if I'm convinced that half of what's left of the West no longer understands what liberty means. Or that they'll become the biggest hypocrites and morons on the planet when it comes to standing up for it - or actually they really don't care screw your freedoms. Need a sound energy so we can prevent Putin from having more influence? Let's consult Greta Thornburg Need to stand up for "democracy" in Ukraine? Abandons ship in the most embarrassing way possible in Afghanistan. Need to defend liberty? Again - screw your freedoms. And take all those "wrong" people and scientists off the social media. In fact cancel everyone that disagrees with us. Censor them to. But Putin silences his opponents and consolidates the media in Russia? Lol he should see how easy it is to do that here. Well....if you're a commie they'll work for you without asking questions. Then they won't even really question you. You're on the same team.* *In no way is any of this to justify Putin. I have bigger problems in my own backyard thats going to make it impossible for America to defend liberty within the next decade. Edited March 10, 2022 by Big Blitz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 So what’s the plan? Turn Ukraine into Vietnam? Seems so… Good for those who want proxy wars against Russia Not good for actual Ukrainians Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 (edited) 23 minutes ago, PetermansRedemption said: I’ve been waiting for someone to point this out. On the global corruption index Ukraine ranks quite high. Ukraine ranked 126 out of 188 (lower is worse). Russia ranked 136. Suddenly Ukraine is the beacon of democracy only because they are fighting Russia. Not because of what type of “democracy” either of them have. We decided to make this priority number 1 because boom - Covid and all the destruction worthless protocols caused are gone (except the guilted still in masks and a looming President CDC waiting to order them back on by November 9th) and inflation is really really awful because Russia is evil it for real had nothing to do with Democrat self inflicted economic chaos to get the Orange Man out of office. State "run" media all suddenly echoing the exact same lunacy. The goal? As always narrative control they lost in November and are primed to get historically smacked this year unless- something we need something - "Biden kept us out of WWIII and canceled Russia! He built alliances everybody look at Biden go! And just go buy an electric car it will be fine!" American "Democracy" in 2022. Edited March 10, 2022 by Big Blitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 (edited) Covid taught the duped in this country absolutely nothing. Because Orange Man Bad.... That Saki tweet is mind blowing. Absolutely mind blowing. If you needed to pick 1 tweet to sum up how freaking stupid and bizarre everything is that's it...that's the winner. Edited March 10, 2022 by Big Blitz 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 I don’t trust someone who immediately trusts the, obviously, panic-induced rapid response given out re: Nuland’s unplanned admission. Maybe it’s nothing, but it sure doesn’t seem like nothing, and the govt/media coordinated response should make everyone very skeptical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 11 minutes ago, SCBills said: I don’t trust someone who immediately trusts the, obviously, panic-induced rapid response given out re: Nuland’s unplanned admission. Maybe it’s nothing, but it sure doesn’t seem like nothing, and the govt/media coordinated response should make everyone very skeptical. There's a huge difference between bio-labs and bio-weapons labs. The former may be trying to find treatments against biological agents, while the latter produces bio-weapons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 10 minutes ago, Motorin' said: There's a huge difference between bio-labs and bio-weapons labs. The former may be trying to find treatments against biological agents, while the latter produces bio-weapons. Are there labs somewhere that distinguish this, like on the name of the facility the sign clearly says "Bio-WEAPONS Lab" I wouldn't want to go to the wrong one by mistake if I had a job interview. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 10 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: Are there labs somewhere that distinguish this, like on the name of the facility the sign clearly says "Bio-WEAPONS Lab" I wouldn't want to go to the wrong one by mistake if I had a job interview. You should write comedy for a living, you'd make tens of dollars. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 (edited) It’s cute to mock the Russian military these days. And this has not gone according to plan for Russia. But… Edited March 10, 2022 by John Adams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 LMAO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TH3 Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 (edited) 13 hours ago, Big Blitz said: My point is if you call Ukraine a democracy what makes it different then Russia's? Both countries have had sham, rigged, or meddled in elections - pick your global oligarchs of choice whether its the Clinton's Bidens or Timchenko. This is why you support freedom first not just thump your chest and yell "democracy now." What the hell does this even mean in 2022 when I have lunatics right here in the U.S. calling freedom the sham. trying to throw out valid election results and install their own autocrat.... My point is if you call Ukraine a democracy what makes it different then Russia's? Both countries have had sham, rigged, or meddled in elections - pick your global oligarchs of choice whether its the Clinton's Bidens or Timchenko. This is why you support freedom first not just thump your chest and yell "democracy now." What the hell does this even mean in 2022 when I have lunatics right here in the U.S. calling freedom the sham. trying to throw out valid election results and install their own autocrat.... FIFY Edited March 10, 2022 by TH3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 7 minutes ago, BillStime said: LMAO Only you & others that believe like you that this POTUS is doing a great job would focus on that in the way that you have & dispose of the content of that conversation . Sam as it ever was !!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 (edited) Can we change the title of this thread? "Fiery Ordeal" sounds like what happens after a trip to Mighty Taco. Edited March 10, 2022 by Tenhigh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 1 hour ago, T master said: Only you & others that believe like you that this POTUS is doing a great job would focus on that in the way that you have & dispose of the content of that conversation . Sam as it ever was !!! If Trump were POTUS - Ukraine would not exist today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muppy Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 (edited) On 3/5/2022 at 8:54 AM, Big Blitz said: "Spread Russian Propaganda" Libs are complete fascist thugs. Good luck to teachers trying teach about this now. Classes only going to be: Teacher: "Putin is evil we must stop him." Student: "Does Russia have a historical claim....as in the beginnings of modern day Russia have roots in Kiev? Can you explain this?" Teacher: "We're moving on to the next boring cookie cutter indoctrination lesson." Im wading in here reluctantly. But this post (either rightly or wrongly) imo is basically insinuating with a very straight face that Russian political issues in the Ukraine are in some way justifying what despot putin is doing now......the war that is occurring right now on the hourly/daily is "explainable"..? Yeah right. Siding with a lunatic despot. This thinking would try to explain away hitler too. What a joke. To me they were/ are equal crazy equal ruthless equal WRONG ...explain it? Yeah its called Evil. @leh-nerd skin-erd I need a rational voice to listen to this with me and give me your honest impression/thoughts. I unlike most posters in this thread Know I need discernment and wisdom to assimilate all that is currently happening in the Ukraine. I like when Russel says the comments make his threads a think tank community hopefully learning and growing together...(my interpretation of his preliminary comments ) Edited March 10, 2022 by muppy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 On 3/1/2022 at 7:23 AM, sherpa said: I don't know, but I am very concerned about confrontations on the International Space Station? Maybe a symbolic lockout of the Russians from the head? I said this as pure sarcasm nine days ago. Guess what the head of the Russian Space Program said yesterday. He threatened to "abandon" US astronaut Mark Vande Hei, who is on the ISS and is scheduled to return to earth n three weeks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 18 minutes ago, sherpa said: I said this as pure sarcasm nine days ago. Guess what the head of the Russian Space Program said yesterday. He threatened to "abandon" US astronaut Mark Vande Hei, who is on the ISS and is scheduled to return to earth n three weeks. Just think, they will do our bargaining with Iran for there oil. Makes you feel good doesn’t it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 Kamala finds the refugee crisis hilarious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ALF Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 (R) Madison Cawthorn faces jail after being hit for driving with revoked license — again ☝️ https://nypost.com/2022/03/10/madison-cawthorn-faces-jail-for-driving-with-revoked-license/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 8 minutes ago, BillStime said: Nobody cares about him. He's the right's version of Omar. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 7 minutes ago, aristocrat said: Nobody cares about him. He's the right's version of Omar. He's in the Trump/Broebert/MTG club? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 1 hour ago, muppy said: Im wading in here reluctantly. But this post (either rightly or wrongly) imo is basically insinuating with a very straight face that Russian political issues in the Ukraine are in some way justifying what despot putin is doing now......the war that is occurring right now on the hourly/daily is "explainable"..? Yeah right. Siding with a lunatic despot. This thinking would try to explain away hitler too. What a joke. To me they were/ are equal crazy equal ruthless equal WRONG ...explain it? Yeah its called Evil. @leh-nerd skin-erd I need a rational voice to listen to this with me and give me your honest impression/thoughts. I unlike most posters in this thread Know I need discernment and wisdom to assimilate all that is currently happening in the Ukraine. I like when Russel says the comments make his threads a think tank community hopefully learning and growing together...(my interpretation of his preliminary comments ) Hi Mup, I can commit to rational analysis on this issue, but not much more. What I don't know about Russia and Ukraine would fill the soon-to-be-built open-aired/non-dome stadium in OP. I'll watch the video later today, though admittedly I likely will feel I'm being manipulated in the first 60 seconds. My curse, and a gift of sorts to me, is I'm cynical about intent and being told only part of the story virtually every time I wade into something like this. Big picture, I'm near certain that the pre-war issues between Russia and Ukraine are/were exceptionally complicated. I think it's hard for average Americans to wrap their heads around the strife/struggles facing people who live in that region given alliances and hostilities that have arisen over the past thousand years or so. Over here, we flip some spit to a company like 23NME, find out some small part of us traces back to a geographic area where Kyiv is situated and holy crap, we're 1/53rd Ukrainian. Or, maybe we look a bit harder and see our ancestors may have actually hailed from what is known today as Belarus, Russia or Poland. Over there, they don't need any of that to tell them who they are, and who their people were, right, wrong or indifferent. And, of course, to some folks over there it's deadly serious to them. Where that leaves me is that while I know nothing about who was who(m) before they are who(m) they are now, I do understand an awful lot about human suffering and man's inhumanity to man. I'm reminded of an old expression about old men starting wars and young men being sent to die in the fight. It's all just so &*&^ing tragic to me. As for a professor/teacher offering "balanced" analysis of the crisis, I get a bit squeamish when a deep dive is offered and that results in banishment from the kingdom of knowledge. I think one can understand the relative appeal of early-Adolph given the relative ignorance of people at the time and the general mindset of the Cherman people in the 1930s, discuss it openly and not be labelled a supporter of Hitler and his atrocities. I think a class entitled "How did we get here?" if taught fairly and openly, often leads to a debrief properly labelled "Crisis Averted" down the road. Peace friend. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cle23 Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 On 3/8/2022 at 2:39 PM, Boatdrinks said: Joe wants us to believe his putrid policies and agenda have no impact , but I was paying up to $1.65 less a gallon when Trump was President. It was already $1.00 or more higher before Ukraine. Liberal fact checkers hit the snooze button again on this one. Just going to ignore that the world was in a pandemic which shut down most worldwide travel, and even a lot of local travel as people worked from home? Do you not remember that there was such an oil glut that companies were paying other to take their oil because there was no storage, and what storage was available cost more than the oil was worth? Prices were bound to go up, no matter who is President. Presidential policies can change prices to an extent, but this narrative that Biden somehow controls gas prices is absurd. Also, oil companies were making record profits last year, before this huge increase, yet somehow no one seems to think that maybe they're ripping us off. In 2007ish, oil was $160 a barrel and gas was $4 a gallon. Accounting for inflation, that would be $223 oil now. Seeing as how oil is $115 a barrel right now, which is equivalent to $84 in 2006, and prices are still at $4, something seems a bit off don't you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 3 hours ago, BillStime said: If Trump were POTUS - Ukraine would not exist today. No one can possibly know this, Billsy. But if you thinkbits true, can you explain why Ukraine wasn't just taken during his actual presidency? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cle23 Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 3 hours ago, BillStime said: If Trump were POTUS - Ukraine would not exist today. Care to explain what information brings you to this conclusion? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 24 minutes ago, cle23 said: Just going to ignore that the world was in a pandemic which shut down most worldwide travel, and even a lot of local travel as people worked from home? Do you not remember that there was such an oil glut that companies were paying other to take their oil because there was no storage, and what storage was available cost more than the oil was worth? Prices were bound to go up, no matter who is President. Presidential policies can change prices to an extent, but this narrative that Biden somehow controls gas prices is absurd. Also, oil companies were making record profits last year, before this huge increase, yet somehow no one seems to think that maybe they're ripping us off. In 2007ish, oil was $160 a barrel and gas was $4 a gallon. Accounting for inflation, that would be $223 oil now. Seeing as how oil is $115 a barrel right now, which is equivalent to $84 in 2006, and prices are still at $4, something seems a bit off don't you think? Heavy lies the crown. Politics always factors into this, fairly or not. From the GOP perspective, you hammer the leftist policies of the Biden admin and hope it yields fruit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 8 minutes ago, cle23 said: Care to explain what information brings you to this conclusion? A chronic and obsessive struggle with TDS. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 37 minutes ago, cle23 said: Presidential policies can change prices to an extent, but this narrative that Biden somehow controls gas prices is absurd. Of course presidents don't control oil or other commodity prices. What they do though, undeniably, is influence the environment that effect energy producers decisions to commit capital to expand production. It cannot be denied that this administration has been openly hostile to domestic fossil energy suppliers, whether drillers or shippers. That influences capital expenditure decisions, as well it should. Hate you 'till I need you simply doesn't work. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 1 hour ago, John Adams said: He's in the Trump/Broebert/MTG club? Stop being a partisan hack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 5 minutes ago, Westside said: Stop being a partisan hack Just making sure we know who’s in the club. Those folks I mentioned are all nut jobs too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaninSarasota Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 2 hours ago, aristocrat said: Kamala finds the refugee crisis hilarious A heartbeat away from the Presidency - this is disturbing & frightening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 2 hours ago, aristocrat said: Kamala finds the refugee crisis hilarious Fire up the outrage machine!!!. Harris laughed because of the timing with the Polish PM, not because of the crisis. Jesus get a grip. You sound like BillsTime sharing nonsense like this as if it means something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wnyguy Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, John Adams said: Fire up the outrage machine!!!. Harris laughed because of the timing with the Polish PM, not because of the crisis. . I agree with this conclusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 11 minutes ago, sherpa said: Of course presidents don't control oil or other commodity prices. What they do though, undeniably, is influence the environment that effect energy producers decisions to commit capital to expand production. It cannot be denied that this administration has been openly hostile to domestic fossil energy suppliers, whether drillers or shippers. That influences capital expenditure decisions, as well it should. Hate you 'till I need you simply doesn't work. And... one of the first things new President Biden did was issue an executive order called "Executive Order on Protecting Public Health and the Environment and Restoring Science to Tackle the Climate Crisis" which killed Keystone XL while also freezing new drilling leases. Sure the industry has lots of leased land as Jen points out in WH press conferences while failing to mention you also need drilling permits. Activists lobbied investment and private equity firms, Wall Street Banks, state and private pension funds, and other large investment pools of money to sell, stop, and starve the domestic oil industry of capital. This effectively eliminated the shale drillers from capital markets. The big players cut capital spending budgets. Add to this the Green New Deal and the message delivered to the industry that we're not going to need you much longer. So who in their right mind commits billions to exploration and drilling in that kind of environment combined with efforts to starve the industry of capital? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 9 minutes ago, John Adams said: Fire up the outrage machine!!!. Harris laughed because of the timing with the Polish PM, not because of the crisis. Jesus get a grip. You sound like BillsTime sharing nonsense like this as if it means something. This is her thing and I can't figure out why nobody has told her to stop laughing during serious situations. It's not a good look. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 24 minutes ago, cle23 said: Care to explain what information brings you to this conclusion? Are you seriously going to pretend Trump isn't/wasn't 100% subservient to Putin? The same guy who had a public meltdown over a missed phone call from Putin? “If Putin wants a call with me you just put him through!” Just look at some of Trump's past actions and you tell me Trump would have magically stopped Putin from invading Ukraine if he were POTUS: Conald guts the anti-Russia stance on Ukraine in the GQPs 2016 platform - who benefits? Conald constantly denies Russian hacking (as does the cult here despite the plethora of evidence) - who benefits? Conald did everything to destroy our relationships with our allies and with the EU - who benefits? Conald tried to destroy the credibility of NATO - who benefits? Conald pulled back our troops in Germany - who benefits? Conald applauded Putin's victory in Syria after handing it to him on a platter - who benefits? Conald tried to add Putin to the G7 - who benefits? Conald told Putin he could have Crimea - who benefits? Conald shared classified information with Russian operatives in 2017 - who benefits? Conald continued to buy and increase oil imports from Putin - who benefits? Conald incited a non-stop culture war on American soil - who benefits? Please - why was the America first president and CULT so eager to cater to the anti-American; anti-Democracy dictator of Russia? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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