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Just now, SCBills said:


Ukraine is arming citizens and encouraging them to build firebombs.. Not much of a stretch to assume this is going to devolve into a level of barbarism that the Western world is not ready to see in a modern city/country.  

Exactly. 

Just now, Tiberius said:

No, he’s doing it. All those things. Spin, lol. Facts are sticky things 

He gave it to China and expected it to get to Russia.  No way. 

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3 minutes ago, HamSandwhich said:

Nothing is off the table for this regime.  Putin has proven himself to be irrational, nothing can be assumed anymore. 

 

Oh I'm not naive to what they're capable of but the average russian soldier is not going to be executing innocent people. They are not the SS they are mostly young soldiers, not well trained, well paid with short service contracts.  If you start killing civilians the US will get involved and Russia will throw up their hands faster than the French.

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Just now, aristocrat said:

 

Oh I'm not naive to what they're capable of but the average russian soldier is not going to be executing innocent people. They are not the SS they are mostly young soldiers, not well trained, well paid with short service contracts.  If you start killing civilians the US will get involved and Russia will throw up their hands faster than the French.

Or, they are the SS reincarnate and the soldiers have been brought up with this idea of Russia being the greatest nation. Perhaps they will be too scared to speak up? These types of comments many are making are too definitive for the situation.  No one knows what Putin, a mad man, is thinking. If the US got involved, who's to say he didn't want that and wanted to start WWIII? 

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6 minutes ago, HamSandwhich said:

Or, they are the SS reincarnate and the soldiers have been brought up with this idea of Russia being the greatest nation. Perhaps they will be too scared to speak up? These types of comments many are making are too definitive for the situation.  No one knows what Putin, a mad man, is thinking. If the US got involved, who's to say he didn't want that and wanted to start WWIII? 

 

You are talking about guys knowingly committing mass war crimes. It happens but it's pretty rare especially recently as society has evolved. Hell Russia did it to their own citizens under stalin.  I could be wrong but I don't see that happening here and sure there will be some civilians being killed but not mass killings and Putin knows that's a line he can't cross. I still am unsure of his real goals here tbh

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1 hour ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Biden is/was President.  Open your mind. 


If Trump was Putin’s Stooge does that make  Putin Ted Healy?  
 

But great point. If Trump was Putin’s stooge and Putin got him elected in 2016 what happened in 2020?  🤔

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44 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

 

You are talking about guys knowingly committing mass war crimes. It happens but it's pretty rare especially recently as society has evolved. Hell Russia did it to their own citizens under stalin.  I could be wrong but I don't see that happening here and sure there will be some civilians being killed but not mass killings and Putin knows that's a line he can't cross. I still am unsure of his real goals here tbh

No, Im talking about the stark uncertainty here, not that they will.  I'm saying it's not off the table, and nothing is. 

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3 hours ago, sherpa said:

 

I have no interest in trying to convince you of anything

 

Trump had a responsibility to the US taxpayer to ask other countries to abide by agreements and pay their agreed portion.

 

France, Turkey Italy, Germany and Canada weren't.

The claim is somehow made that the individual, as the elected representative of his country is responsible for weakening the alliance, while being burdened with a disproportionate amount of the bill., but those not paying their share are not weakening the alliance.

Ya. that makes sense.

Canada, by the way, as of 2016, was the lowest contributor as a % of GDP, which was the understanding, so they, of course, should have the greatest leverage in criticizing.

 

At some point we may even get somebody to call out the uselessness of the UN, another burden we disproportionally fund.

But we're a ways away from that.

 

 

 


Trump was hellbent on destroying NATO and used financing NATO as a red herring to discredit and delegitimize NATO because ignorant people like you (DR / @Frat Train, @Precision etc) would buy it hook line and sinker.

 

Who benefits from destroying NATO with easy access to Europe?

giphy.gif?cid=5e214886e3fzve9lqb3iy6o3z6

 


Trump paved the way for what we are seeing today. 
 

Trump did everything to destroy, polarize and destabilize America… and Conald and the cult continue to do so to this day.

 

Trump did everything to destroy our relationship with our allies all to benefit Putin.

 

All roads lead to Putin

 

 

 

 

3 hours ago, sherpa said:

 

I have no interest in trying to convince you of anything

 

Trump had a responsibility to the US taxpayer to ask other countries to abide by agreements and pay their agreed portion.

 

France, Turkey Italy, Germany and Canada weren't.

The claim is somehow made that the individual, as the elected representative of his country is responsible for weakening the alliance, while being burdened with a disproportionate amount of the bill., but those not paying their share are not weakening the alliance.

Ya. that makes sense.

Canada, by the way, as of 2016, was the lowest contributor as a % of GDP, which was the understanding, so they, of course, should have the greatest leverage in criticizing.

 

At some point we may even get somebody to call out the uselessness of the UN, another burden we disproportionally fund.

But we're a ways away from that.

 

 

 


Trump was hellbent on destroying NATO and used financing NATO as a red herring to discredit and delegitimize NATO because ignorant people like you (DR / @Frat Train, @Precision etc) would buy it hook line and sinker.

 

Who benefits from destroying NATO with easy access to Europe?

giphy.gif?cid=5e214886e3fzve9lqb3iy6o3z6

 


Trump paved the way for what we are seeing today. 
 

Trump did everything to destroy, polarize and destabilize America… and Conald and the cult continue to do so to this day.

 

Trump did everything to destroy our relationship with our allies all to benefit Putin.

 

All roads lead to Putin

 

 

 

 

3 hours ago, sherpa said:

 

I have no interest in trying to convince you of anything

 

Trump had a responsibility to the US taxpayer to ask other countries to abide by agreements and pay their agreed portion.

 

France, Turkey Italy, Germany and Canada weren't.

The claim is somehow made that the individual, as the elected representative of his country is responsible for weakening the alliance, while being burdened with a disproportionate amount of the bill., but those not paying their share are not weakening the alliance.

Ya. that makes sense.

Canada, by the way, as of 2016, was the lowest contributor as a % of GDP, which was the understanding, so they, of course, should have the greatest leverage in criticizing.

 

At some point we may even get somebody to call out the uselessness of the UN, another burden we disproportionally fund.

But we're a ways away from that.

 

 

 


Trump was hellbent on destroying NATO and used financing NATO as a red herring to discredit and delegitimize NATO because ignorant people like you (DR / @Frat Train, @Precision etc) would buy it hook line and sinker.

 

Who benefits from destroying NATO with easy access to Europe?

giphy.gif?cid=5e214886e3fzve9lqb3iy6o3z6

 


Trump paved the way for what we are seeing today. 
 

Trump did everything to destroy, polarize and destabilize America… and Conald and the cult continue to do so to this day.

 

Trump did everything to destroy our relationship with our allies all to benefit Putin.

 

All roads lead to Putin

 

 

 

 

3 hours ago, sherpa said:

 

I have no interest in trying to convince you of anything

 

Trump had a responsibility to the US taxpayer to ask other countries to abide by agreements and pay their agreed portion.

 

France, Turkey Italy, Germany and Canada weren't.

The claim is somehow made that the individual, as the elected representative of his country is responsible for weakening the alliance, while being burdened with a disproportionate amount of the bill., but those not paying their share are not weakening the alliance.

Ya. that makes sense.

Canada, by the way, as of 2016, was the lowest contributor as a % of GDP, which was the understanding, so they, of course, should have the greatest leverage in criticizing.

 

At some point we may even get somebody to call out the uselessness of the UN, another burden we disproportionally fund.

But we're a ways away from that.

 

 

 


Trump was hellbent on destroying NATO and used financing NATO as a red herring to discredit and delegitimize NATO because ignorant people like you (DR / @Frat Train, @Precision etc) would buy it hook line and sinker.

 

Who benefits from destroying NATO with easy access to Europe?

giphy.gif?cid=5e214886e3fzve9lqb3iy6o3z6

 


Trump paved the way for what we are seeing today. 
 

Trump did everything to destroy, polarize and destabilize America… and Conald and the cult continue to do so to this day.

 

Trump did everything to destroy our relationship with our allies all to benefit Putin.

 

All roads lead to Putin

 

 

 

 

3 hours ago, sherpa said:

 

I have no interest in trying to convince you of anything

 

Trump had a responsibility to the US taxpayer to ask other countries to abide by agreements and pay their agreed portion.

 

France, Turkey Italy, Germany and Canada weren't.

The claim is somehow made that the individual, as the elected representative of his country is responsible for weakening the alliance, while being burdened with a disproportionate amount of the bill., but those not paying their share are not weakening the alliance.

Ya. that makes sense.

Canada, by the way, as of 2016, was the lowest contributor as a % of GDP, which was the understanding, so they, of course, should have the greatest leverage in criticizing.

 

At some point we may even get somebody to call out the uselessness of the UN, another burden we disproportionally fund.

But we're a ways away from that.

 

 

 


Trump was hellbent on destroying NATO and used financing NATO as a red herring to discredit and delegitimize NATO because ignorant people like you (DR / @Frat Train, @Precision etc) would buy it hook line and sinker.

 

Who benefits from destroying NATO with easy access to Europe?

giphy.gif?cid=5e214886e3fzve9lqb3iy6o3z6

 


Trump paved the way for what we are seeing today. 
 

Trump did everything to destroy, polarize and destabilize America… and Conald and the cult continue to do so to this day.

 

Trump did everything to destroy our relationship with our allies all to benefit Putin.

 

All roads lead to Putin

 

 

 

 

3 hours ago, sherpa said:

 

I have no interest in trying to convince you of anything

 

Trump had a responsibility to the US taxpayer to ask other countries to abide by agreements and pay their agreed portion.

 

France, Turkey Italy, Germany and Canada weren't.

The claim is somehow made that the individual, as the elected representative of his country is responsible for weakening the alliance, while being burdened with a disproportionate amount of the bill., but those not paying their share are not weakening the alliance.

Ya. that makes sense.

Canada, by the way, as of 2016, was the lowest contributor as a % of GDP, which was the understanding, so they, of course, should have the greatest leverage in criticizing.

 

At some point we may even get somebody to call out the uselessness of the UN, another burden we disproportionally fund.

But we're a ways away from that.

 

 

 


Trump was hellbent on destroying NATO and used financing NATO as a red herring to discredit and delegitimize NATO because ignorant people like you (DR / @Frat Train, @Precision etc) would buy it hook line and sinker.

 

Who benefits from destroying NATO with easy access to Europe?

giphy.gif?cid=5e214886e3fzve9lqb3iy6o3z6

 


Trump paved the way for what we are seeing today. 
 

Trump did everything to destroy, polarize and destabilize America… and Conald and the cult continue to do so to this day.

 

Trump did everything to destroy our relationship with our allies all to benefit Putin.

 

All roads lead to Putin

 

 

 

 

3 hours ago, sherpa said:

 

I have no interest in trying to convince you of anything

 

Trump had a responsibility to the US taxpayer to ask other countries to abide by agreements and pay their agreed portion.

 

France, Turkey Italy, Germany and Canada weren't.

The claim is somehow made that the individual, as the elected representative of his country is responsible for weakening the alliance, while being burdened with a disproportionate amount of the bill., but those not paying their share are not weakening the alliance.

Ya. that makes sense.

Canada, by the way, as of 2016, was the lowest contributor as a % of GDP, which was the understanding, so they, of course, should have the greatest leverage in criticizing.

 

At some point we may even get somebody to call out the uselessness of the UN, another burden we disproportionally fund.

But we're a ways away from that.

 

 

 


Trump was hellbent on destroying NATO and used financing NATO as a red herring to discredit and delegitimize NATO because ignorant people like you (DR / @Frat Train, @Precision etc) would buy it hook line and sinker.

 

Who benefits from destroying NATO with easy access to Europe?

giphy.gif?cid=5e214886e3fzve9lqb3iy6o3z6

 


Trump paved the way for what we are seeing today. 
 

Trump did everything to destroy, polarize and destabilize America… and Conald and the cult continue to do so to this day.

 

Trump did everything to destroy our relationship with our allies all to benefit Putin.

 

All roads lead to Putin

 

 

 

 

3 hours ago, sherpa said:

 

I have no interest in trying to convince you of anything

 

Trump had a responsibility to the US taxpayer to ask other countries to abide by agreements and pay their agreed portion.

 

France, Turkey Italy, Germany and Canada weren't.

The claim is somehow made that the individual, as the elected representative of his country is responsible for weakening the alliance, while being burdened with a disproportionate amount of the bill., but those not paying their share are not weakening the alliance.

Ya. that makes sense.

Canada, by the way, as of 2016, was the lowest contributor as a % of GDP, which was the understanding, so they, of course, should have the greatest leverage in criticizing.

 

At some point we may even get somebody to call out the uselessness of the UN, another burden we disproportionally fund.

But we're a ways away from that.

 

 

 


Trump was hellbent on destroying NATO and used financing NATO as a red herring to discredit and delegitimize NATO because ignorant people like you (DR / @Frat Train, @Precision etc) would buy it hook line and sinker.

 

Who benefits from destroying NATO with easy access to Europe?

giphy.gif?cid=5e214886e3fzve9lqb3iy6o3z6

 


Trump paved the way for what we are seeing today. 
 

Trump did everything to destroy, polarize and destabilize America… and Conald and the cult continue to do so to this day.

 

Trump did everything to destroy our relationship with our allies all to benefit Putin.

 

All roads lead to Putin

 

 

 

 

3 hours ago, sherpa said:

 

I have no interest in trying to convince you of anything

 

Trump had a responsibility to the US taxpayer to ask other countries to abide by agreements and pay their agreed portion.

 

France, Turkey Italy, Germany and Canada weren't.

The claim is somehow made that the individual, as the elected representative of his country is responsible for weakening the alliance, while being burdened with a disproportionate amount of the bill., but those not paying their share are not weakening the alliance.

Ya. that makes sense.

Canada, by the way, as of 2016, was the lowest contributor as a % of GDP, which was the understanding, so they, of course, should have the greatest leverage in criticizing.

 

At some point we may even get somebody to call out the uselessness of the UN, another burden we disproportionally fund.

But we're a ways away from that.

 

 

 


Trump was hellbent on destroying NATO and used financing NATO as a red herring to discredit and delegitimize NATO because ignorant people like you (DR / @Frat Train, @Precision etc) would buy it hook line and sinker.

 

Who benefits from destroying NATO with easy access to Europe?

giphy.gif?cid=5e214886e3fzve9lqb3iy6o3z6

 


Trump paved the way for what we are seeing today. 
 

Trump did everything to destroy, polarize and destabilize America… and Conald and the cult continue to do so to this day.

 

Trump did everything to destroy our relationship with our allies all to benefit Putin.

 

All roads lead to Putin

 

 

 

 

3 hours ago, sherpa said:

 

I have no interest in trying to convince you of anything

 

Trump had a responsibility to the US taxpayer to ask other countries to abide by agreements and pay their agreed portion.

 

France, Turkey Italy, Germany and Canada weren't.

The claim is somehow made that the individual, as the elected representative of his country is responsible for weakening the alliance, while being burdened with a disproportionate amount of the bill., but those not paying their share are not weakening the alliance.

Ya. that makes sense.

Canada, by the way, as of 2016, was the lowest contributor as a % of GDP, which was the understanding, so they, of course, should have the greatest leverage in criticizing.

 

At some point we may even get somebody to call out the uselessness of the UN, another burden we disproportionally fund.

But we're a ways away from that.

 

 

 


Trump was hellbent on destroying NATO and used financing NATO as a red herring to discredit and delegitimize NATO because ignorant people like you (DR / @Frat Train, @Precision etc) would buy it hook line and sinker.

 

Who benefits from destroying NATO with easy access to Europe?

giphy.gif?cid=5e214886e3fzve9lqb3iy6o3z6

 


Trump paved the way for what we are seeing today. 
 

Trump did everything to destroy, polarize and destabilize America… and Conald and the cult continue to do so to this day.

 

Trump did everything to destroy our relationship with our allies all to benefit Putin.

 

All roads lead to Putin

 

 

 

 

3 hours ago, sherpa said:

 

I have no interest in trying to convince you of anything

 

Trump had a responsibility to the US taxpayer to ask other countries to abide by agreements and pay their agreed portion.

 

France, Turkey Italy, Germany and Canada weren't.

The claim is somehow made that the individual, as the elected representative of his country is responsible for weakening the alliance, while being burdened with a disproportionate amount of the bill., but those not paying their share are not weakening the alliance.

Ya. that makes sense.

Canada, by the way, as of 2016, was the lowest contributor as a % of GDP, which was the understanding, so they, of course, should have the greatest leverage in criticizing.

 

At some point we may even get somebody to call out the uselessness of the UN, another burden we disproportionally fund.

But we're a ways away from that.

 

 

 


Trump was hellbent on destroying NATO and used financing NATO as a red herring to discredit and delegitimize NATO because ignorant people like you (DR / @Frat Train, @Precision etc) would buy it hook line and sinker.

 

Who benefits from destroying NATO with easy access to Europe?

giphy.gif?cid=5e214886e3fzve9lqb3iy6o3z6

 


Trump paved the way for what we are seeing today. 
 

Trump did everything to destroy, polarize and destabilize America… and Conald and the cult continue to do so to this day.

 

Trump did everything to destroy our relationship with our allies all to benefit Putin.

 

All roads lead to Putin

 

 

 

 

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Somebody get the stick and poke @BillStime, he 's stuck again.

 

 

 

Meanwhile:

 

While Biden babbles on about sanctions that really don’t mean much since they don’t actually include RUSSIAN ENERGY, former Ukrainian president, Poroshenko, is fighting for his country. This interview on CNN is pretty damn epic.

 

Watch:

 

 

We especially like how he ‘takes up’ the rifle alongside civilian defense forces. Putin may have underestimated just how willing Ukrainians are to fight and sadly even die to protect their country.

 

‘How long do you think you can hold out?’

 

‘Forever.’

 

Boom.

 

 

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2022/02/25/hell-yes-cnn-asks-former-ukrainian-president-poroshenko-how-long-can-you-hold-out-and-his-answer-kicks-so-much-as-watch/

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, sherpa said:

 

Gosh why would Trump do that?

 

Should the fact that France, Germany, Turkey, Italy and Canada weren't living up to their agreements gone unmentioned after years of this?

It was about time somebody mentioned it.

 

NATO will coalesce over this hideous invasion if it comes to that.

Heck, even Finland and Sweden, non NATO  countries are aligning 

Don't defend his actions because I didn't blame him. His complaint may be very factual, his methods are childish and causes extreme problems for countries who are aligned. 

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7 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said:

Don't defend his actions because I didn't blame him. His complaint may be very factual, his methods are childish and causes extreme problems for countries who are aligned. 

 

Of course you did.

HIs complaint was "factual," had existed for years, and should have been voiced by other Administrations across the NATO horizon.

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3 hours ago, sherpa said:

 

I have no interest in trying to convince you of anything

 

Trump had a responsibility to the US taxpayer to ask other countries to abide by agreements and pay their agreed portion.

 

France, Turkey Italy, Germany and Canada weren't.

The claim is somehow made that the individual, as the elected representative of his country is responsible for weakening the alliance, while being burdened with a disproportionate amount of the bill., but those not paying their share are not weakening the alliance.

Ya. that makes sense.

Canada, by the way, as of 2016, was the lowest contributor as a % of GDP, which was the understanding, so they, of course, should have the greatest leverage in criticizing.

 

At some point we may even get somebody to call out the uselessness of the UN, another burden we disproportionally fund.

But we're a ways away from that.

 

 

 

 

Cut the crap - Trump could give two F’s about the American tax payers. 

 

Trump was hellbent on destroying NATO and used financing NATO as a red herring to discredit and delegitimize NATO because ignorant people like you would buy it hook line and sinker. 

 

Who benefits from destroying NATO with easy access to Europe?

 

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Trump paved the way for what we are seeing today. 

 

Trump did everything to destroy, polarize and destabilize America domestically and aboard and Conald and the cult continue to do so to this day.

 

All roads lead to Putin

 

 

 

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