Democracy’s Fiery Ordeal: The War in Ukraine 🇺🇦

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

     

 

 

 

                    

 

[Tiberius]

4 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ya, the age of twitter, we need fast definitions, or you fail. 

1 minute ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

 

     

 

 

 

                    

 

What is your opinion of Putin

[B-Man]

 

 

Our country is in trouble.

 

 

 

[Tiberius]

6 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

Our country is in trouble.

 

 

 

Is Putin a bad man? 

[B-Man]

 

"Because you have crossed this red line, we are going to increase the economic pain on you just a little bit more."

 

Does something like that really make a guy like Putin think twice?

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Tiberius]

1 minute ago, B-Man said:

 

"Because you have crossed this red line, we are going to increase the economic pain on you just a little bit more."

 

Does something like that really make a guy like Putin think twice?

 

 

 

 

 

 

So we should be tougher?

 

Gees, Putin’s threatening to snuff out a free people and you attack Biden. 

[Westside]

6 hours ago, Tiberius said:

That’s a really stupid question, completely off point and divorced from reality. 

 

 

Taiwan should and must be defended. Biden did send a carrier battle group through the South China Sea and China went ballistic. I guess you did not know that

 

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/navy/591015-us-aircraft-carriers-enter-south-china-sea-amid-tensions-between-taiwan

I’m glad you’re at least consistent 👍🏻

[sherpa]

9 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Oh, too cowardly to give us your solution? You asked, I said what I’d do.  What do you got for us? Aside from insulting your better. 

 

 

Nothing works without at least the threat of force. Go hide under your bed if you are afraid to stand up because  WWIII, sure do nothing. And the next time this punk comes for something, turn the other cheek. Because “WWIII” 

 

Cowardly?

Your answer is that you'd somehow involve the US Air Force and you think that is a valid response?

There is no military solution that the US could apply.

It would be absolutely crazy to commit US forces to that area under these circumstances.

Suicide, and would undoubtedly result in a massive compromise of our abilities.

Here's what it would take, and this is not a complete list.

The entire US Air Force in Europe, including F-35's, F-22's.

Where do we base them?

Where do we base the Command and Control assets, ie., AWACS.

If we don't base them in the Ukraine, which we would never do, we would need massive tanker assets to support them.

We would need takers in the Ukraine even if we did base them there.

F-35's and F-22's are stealth. That stealth is completely lost if you strap external fuel tanks on them, thus the need for a massive tanker support force.

Naval Air would require incredibly long missions, probably six hour and needing to tank three times per sortie.

The Russians have very capable air defense. We would certainly lose a number of aircraft, requiring a significant search and rescue capability,

We would need huge electronic jamming and countermeasure assets to combat the air defense system.

This is, after all, right on their border.

 

I could go on and on, but I doubt you have any background in any of this that would cause you to think differently.

As far as the "coward" thing, I flew hundreds of sorties off the USS Kitty Hawk, and most of that in the South China Sea, which you mentioned earlier as Biden's "new" bold deployment.

Over three hundred landings on carriers.

You questioning my level of "coward" isn't going to bother me.

 

You want a solution?

Get NATO to draw a line in the sand regarding Putin's westward expansion.

It would take four months to set up for a proper chance of success, but a unified NATO could do it.

Understand though, depending on how resolute he is, and I doubt he would go that far, it would be WWIII.

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[Tiberius]

3 minutes ago, sherpa said:

 

Cowardly?

Your answer is that you'd somehow involve the US Air Force and you think that is a valid response?

There is no military solution that the US could apply.

It would be absolutely crazy to commit US forces to that area under these circumstances.

Suicide, and would undoubtedly result in a massive compromise of our abilities.

Here's what it would take, and this is not a complete list.

The entire US Air Force in Europe, including F-35's, F-22's.

Where do we base them?

Where do we base the Command and Control assets, ie., AWACS.

If we don't base them in the Ukraine, which we would never do, we would need massive tanker assets to support them.

We would need takers in the Ukraine even if we did base them there.

F-35's and F-22's are stealth. That stealth is completely lost if you strap external fuel tanks on them, thus the need for a massive tanker support force.

Naval Air would require incredibly long missions, probably six hour and needing to tank three times per sortie.

The Russians have very capable air defense. We would certainly lose a number of aircraft, requiring a significant search and rescue capability,

We would need huge electronic jamming and countermeasure assets to combat the air defense system.

This is, after all, right on their border.

 

I could go on and on, but I doubt you have any background in any of this that would cause you to think differently.

As far as the "coward" thing, I flew hundreds of sorties off the USS Kitty Hawk, and most of that in the South China Sea, which you mentioned earlier as Biden's "new" bold deployment.

Over three hundred landings on carriers.

You questioning my level of "coward" isn't going to bother me.

 

You want a solution?

Get NATO to draw a line in the sand regarding Putin's westward expansion.

It would take four months to set up for a proper chance of success, but a unified NATO could do it.

Understand though, depending on how resolute he is, and I doubt he would go that far, it would be WWIII.

'

 

4 minutes ago, sherpa said:

 

Cowardly?

Your answer is that you'd somehow involve the US Air Force and you think that is a valid response?

There is no military solution that the US could apply.

It would be absolutely crazy to commit US forces to that area under these circumstances.

Suicide, and would undoubtedly result in a massive compromise of our abilities.

Here's what it would take, and this is not a complete list.

The entire US Air Force in Europe, including F-35's, F-22's.

Where do we base them?

Where do we base the Command and Control assets, ie., AWACS.

If we don't base them in the Ukraine, which we would never do, we would need massive tanker assets to support them.

We would need takers in the Ukraine even if we did base them there.

F-35's and F-22's are stealth. That stealth is completely lost if you strap external fuel tanks on them, thus the need for a massive tanker support force.

Naval Air would require incredibly long missions, probably six hour and needing to tank three times per sortie.

The Russians have very capable air defense. We would certainly lose a number of aircraft, requiring a significant search and rescue capability,

We would need huge electronic jamming and countermeasure assets to combat the air defense system.

This is, after all, right on their border.

 

I could go on and on, but I doubt you have any background in any of this that would cause you to think differently.

As far as the "coward" thing, I flew hundreds of sorties off the USS Kitty Hawk, and most of that in the South China Sea, which you mentioned earlier as Biden's "new" bold deployment.

Over three hundred landings on carriers.

You questioning my level of "coward" isn't going to bother me.

 

You want a solution?

Get NATO to draw a line in the sand regarding Putin's westward expansion.

It would take four months to set up for a proper chance of success, but a unified NATO could do it.

Understand though, depending on how resolute he is, and I doubt he would go that far, it would be WWIII.

'

First off, you are writing off Ukraine with your “solution” is that correct? 

[Tiberius]

6 minutes ago, sherpa said:

 

Cowardly?

Your answer is that you'd somehow involve the US Air Force and you think that is a valid response?

There is no military solution that the US could apply.

It would be absolutely crazy to commit US forces to that area under these circumstances.

Suicide, and would undoubtedly result in a massive compromise of our abilities.

Here's what it would take, and this is not a complete list.

The entire US Air Force in Europe, including F-35's, F-22's.

Where do we base them?

Where do we base the Command and Control assets, ie., AWACS.

If we don't base them in the Ukraine, which we would never do, we would need massive tanker assets to support them.

We would need takers in the Ukraine even if we did base them there.

F-35's and F-22's are stealth. That stealth is completely lost if you strap external fuel tanks on them, thus the need for a massive tanker support force.

Naval Air would require incredibly long missions, probably six hour and needing to tank three times per sortie.

The Russians have very capable air defense. We would certainly lose a number of aircraft, requiring a significant search and rescue capability,

We would need huge electronic jamming and countermeasure assets to combat the air defense system.

This is, after all, right on their border.

 

I could go on and on, but I doubt you have any background in any of this that would cause you to think differently.

As far as the "coward" thing, I flew hundreds of sorties off the USS Kitty Hawk, and most of that in the South China Sea, which you mentioned earlier as Biden's "new" bold deployment.

Over three hundred landings on carriers.

You questioning my level of "coward" isn't going to bother me.

 

You want a solution?

Get NATO to draw a line in the sand regarding Putin's westward expansion.

It would take four months to set up for a proper chance of success, but a unified NATO could do it.

Understand though, depending on how resolute he is, and I doubt he would go that far, it would be WWIII.

'

Second, it seems you are unaware we are already flying over Ukraine. Did you know that? 

 

American aircraft  can operate in Ukraine. You talked about this before like it’s a third world country without airports.  And Poland is right next door, not sure if they would let us, but I’m sure they don’t want the Russians right next door.  As are other NATO countries

 

You may or may not have flown off the Kitty Hawk, but I don’t believe you. Maybe you are not lying, but I doubt it. 

 

 

And settle down. Most people agree with you. Not sure what you are so worked up, no one else is listening to me. The west is ready to let Putin roll over a republic 

[sherpa]

6 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

 

First off, you are writing off Ukraine with your “solution” is that correct? 

 

No.

I'm not "writing off the Ukraine."

It is up to Ukraine to not write off Ukraine.

It would depend on where NATO drew the line, and that would depend, most importantly, on Ukraine resistance to the Russians and their support of NATO.

Those are unknowns, and we have been bitten twice.

The thought of Joe Biden, who has never done anything, and his political team, leading this makes me think of the catastrophe of Lyndon Johnson and Robert McNamara in Vietnam.

 

What I am saying is that you have suggested nothing approaching reality, display no evidence of understanding, and I didn't even mention ground troops in my missive.

It would take tens of thousands.

Air power has made the battlefield easy and a done deal for our ground troops in Desert Storm and the second Gulf War.

The ground guys went at full speed with no resistance. 

That wouldn't happen against the Russians.

9 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

You may or may not have flown off the Kitty Hawk, but I don’t believe you. Maybe you are not lying, but I doubt it. 

 

 

Tell you what.

Send me your email and I'll send you copies of my logbook and a Kitty Hawk cruise book which identifies me and has pics.

Frankly, I don't give a rat's what you believe.

[Orlando Tim]

1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

Is Putin a bad man? 

Yes Putin is a bad man, I think you are the only person on here arguing otherwise 

[snafu]

41 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

And settle down. Most people agree with you. Not sure what you are so worked up, no one else is listening to me. The west is ready to let Putin roll over a republic 

 

Our President isn't listening to you.

Our President is ready to let Putin roll over a republic.

All he's done is predict war and threaten sanctions -- nothing more. He hasn't rallied any European leaders, He hasn't bullied the German Chancellor into action. He's treated the President of Ukraine like a crapstain.  He sent his VP to Munich (of all places) so she could wear a mask and jibberjabber.  His Secretary of State went to the UN and didn't get anything accomplished.  It sure is easy to predict war when do you don't do anything to prevent it.

 

And before you go to your standard: "why are you attacking Biden" routine, note that Putin is one of the worst scum on the planet.  Biden was elected to stand up to Russia -- because he's not a Putin Puppet.  And he's done jack squat to live up to anyone's expectations.  Why CAN'T someone question his decisions and mishandling of this situation?  It's still a free country here, right?

 

[GETTOTHE50]

First of all, ***** Russia.

 

Second of all, who cares what happens to Ukraine.

 

Third of all, Biden is beyond terrible. Putin was licking his chops when that senile ####### got into office. 
 

For as stupid as republicans are, democrats are a million times dumber. Like atleast trump had solid foreign policy. Biden is a catastrophe. But you ***** dems don’t give a damn about this country and only care about feelings and power. ***** morons 

[All_Pro_Bills]

20 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

Yes Putin is a bad man, I think you are the only person on here arguing otherwise 

Yes Putin is a bad man.  But that doesn't change the reality that he just Beech slapped Biden and his bumbling administration.  That version of the story is just not acceptable to the establishment and an expectation of even lower approval ratings and a distinct chance of a November rout in the mid-terms seems likely. 

 

So the big question is when does the consensus narrative shift away from discussing responses to the old stand by of blaming the Trump administration for failure to act during his term which left Biden in a precarious no-win situation?  And thereby absolving Joe of any blame or accountability.  Watch for clues during the rehearsed White House press conference Q&A session where Peppermint Patty receives the softball question planted in the media room with an answer that will signal to the media to initiate this story line.  You can set your watch to this, guaranteed.  

Edited February 22, 2022 by All_Pro_Bills

[BringMetheHeadofLeonLett]

This page is hilarious. 

(not you, Sherpa)

[Big Blitz]

Yep.  Dust off the tanks.  But Orange Man hurt my feelings daily.   

 

 

[Tiberius]

“I went in yesterday and there was a television screen, and I said, ‘This is genius,’ ” Trump continued. “Putin declares a big portion of the Ukraine — of Ukraine. Putin declares it as independent. Oh, that’s wonderful. So, Putin is now saying, ‘It’s independent,’ a large section of Ukraine. I said, ‘How smart is that?’ And he’s gonna go in and be a peacekeeper. That’s strongest peace force … We could use that on our southern border.”

 

Donald J Trump 

 

Hes on Putin side, as if we already didn’t know that 

1 hour ago, GETTOTHE50 said:

First of all, ***** Russia.

 

Second of all, who cares what happens to Ukraine.

 

Third of all, Biden is beyond terrible. Putin was licking his chops when that senile ####### got into office. 
 

Who cares? Lots of people do, What could Biden do different? 

1 hour ago, snafu said:

 

Our President isn't listening to you.

Our President is ready to let Putin roll over a republic.

All he's done is predict war and threaten sanctions -- nothing more. He hasn't rallied any European leaders, He hasn't bullied the German Chancellor into action. He's treated the President of Ukraine like a crapstain.  He sent his VP to Munich (of all places) so she could wear a mask and jibberjabber.  His Secretary of State went to the UN and didn't get anything accomplished.  It sure is easy to predict war when do you don't do anything to prevent it.

 

And before you go to your standard: "why are you attacking Biden" routine, note that Putin is one of the worst scum on the planet.  Biden was elected to stand up to Russia -- because he's not a Putin Puppet.  And he's done jack squat to live up to anyone's expectations.  Why CAN'T someone question his decisions and mishandling of this situation?  It's still a free country here, right?

 

So we should be telling Putin that if he takes one step over the boarder we will annihilate his army. We can do that. Do you think the threat of real force would deter him? Or not doing that, we get an opportunity to destroy it like we destroyed Saddams in early 90’s? 

[Tiberius]

2 hours ago, sherpa said:

 

No.

I'm not "writing off the Ukraine."

It is up to Ukraine to not write off Ukraine.

It would depend on where NATO drew the line, and that would depend, most importantly, on Ukraine resistance to the Russians and their support of NATO.

Those are unknowns, and we have been bitten twice.

The thought of Joe Biden, who has never done anything, and his political team, leading this makes me think of the catastrophe of Lyndon Johnson and Robert McNamara in Vietnam.

 

What I am saying is that you have suggested nothing approaching reality, display no evidence of understanding, and I didn't even mention ground troops in my missive.

It would take tens of thousands.

Air power has made the battlefield easy and a done deal for our ground troops in Desert Storm and the second Gulf War.

The ground guys went at full speed with no resistance. 

That wouldn't happen against the Russians.

 

Tell you what.

Send me your email and I'll send you copies of my logbook and a Kitty Hawk cruise book which identifies me and has pics.

Frankly, I don't give a rat's what you believe.

But drawing a line? So you actually are willing to risk WW3 but not over Ukraine, but some other country? 

[ALF]

7 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

“I went in yesterday and there was a television screen, and I said, ‘This is genius,’ ” Trump continued. “Putin declares a big portion of the Ukraine — of Ukraine. Putin declares it as independent. Oh, that’s wonderful. So, Putin is now saying, ‘It’s independent,’ a large section of Ukraine. I said, ‘How smart is that?’ And he’s gonna go in and be a peacekeeper. That’s strongest peace force … We could use that on our southern border.”

 

Donald J Trump 

 

Hes on Putin side, as if we already didn’t know that 

Who cares? Lots of people do, What could Biden do different? 

So we should be telling Putin that if he takes one step over the boarder we will annihilate his army. We can do that. Do you think the threat of real force would deter him? Or not doing that, we get an opportunity to destroy it like we destroyed Saddams in early 90’s? 

 

I was just going to ask what would Trump do in the Ukraine situation , now we know.

[BillStime]

2 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

 

     

 

 

 

                    

 

 

 

[Tiberius]

1 minute ago, ALF said:

 

I was just going to ask what would Trump do in the Ukraine situation , now we know.

There’s more 

 

“Here’s a guy that says, you know, ‘I’m gonna declare a big portion of Ukraine independent’ — he used the word ‘independent’ — ‘and we’re gonna go out and we’re gonna go in and we’re gonna help keep peace,’ ” Trump said. “You gotta say that’s pretty savvy. And you know what the response was from Biden? There was no response.”

[Doc]

Trump's not President anymore.  Joey is.  It's his debacle now.

[sherpa]

2 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

But drawing a line? So you actually are willing to risk WW3 but not over Ukraine, but some other country? 

 

Of course.

If we, (not me by the way), weren't willing to sign the NATO agreement we shouldn't have.

We did as did about 30 other countries.

 

You do  not strike me as a guy who has any knowledge of this stuff, but for the class, let me post Article 5:

     " The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area."

 

     My view is that we abide by that agreement.

 

My view is that we not send our troops into a death sentence.

The Ukraine has separatists who want to be Russian.

Those separatists should have been allowed to be part of their motherland without tying the rest of the world up in the dispute.

This should have been worked out years ago.

 

[Tiberius]

6 minutes ago, sherpa said:

 

Of course.

If we, (not me by the way), weren't willing to sign the NATO agreement we shouldn't have.

We did as did about 30 other countries.

 

You do  not strike me as a guy who has any knowledge of this stuff, but for the class, let me post Article 5:

     " The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area."

 

     My view is that we abide by that agreement.

 

My view is that we not send our troops into a death sentence.

The Ukraine has separatists who want to be Russian.

Those separatists should have been allowed to be part of their motherland without tying the rest of the world up in the dispute.

This should have been worked out years ago.

 

Oh, so its a contractual issue with you. You are willing to risk WW3 because of an agreement. Fine 

9 minutes ago, Doc said:

Trump's not President anymore.  Joey is.  It's his debacle now.

Oh, but it’s still nice to know he’s gone. If Trump won election Putin would digest Ukraine with no push back at all and the Baltic States would be next. 

[sherpa]

2 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Oh, so its a contractual issue with you. You are willing to risk WW3 because of an agreement. Fine 

 

 

I'm willing to abide by signed treaties.

Yep.

Otherwise, what's the point of them?

[Tiberius]

2 minutes ago, sherpa said:

 

I'm willing to abide by signed treaties.

Yep.

Otherwise, what's the point of them?

Fine, I didn’t say anything. 

 

I personally wouldn't let a free nation go down to a murderous dictatorship simply because they didn’t sign a contract. 

 

I guess the first Gulf War was wrong? 

[sherpa]

14 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Fine, I didn’t say anything. 

 

I personally wouldn't let a free nation go down to a murderous dictatorship simply because they didn’t sign a contract. 

 

I guess the first Gulf War was wrong? 

 

Of course the first Gulf War wasn't wrong.

 

Why don't you, in you ignorant, sanctimonious, "personally," (to use your term), pick the 100,000 or so who would be killed.

 

Not even Biden is stupid enough for that.

 

By the way.

Refresh my memory so that I can understand your false equivalence.

 

Was there a large number of Kuwaiti separatists who wanted to be part of Iraq?

 

'Cause I don't remember that.

Maybe like you don't remember the attempt to avoid war between 1991 and 2003.

Edited February 22, 2022 by sherpa

[aristocrat]

 

[Tiberius]

Watching Fox, it’s all Biden’s fault. Putin is not portrayed in a bad way at all. 

41 minutes ago, sherpa said:

 

Of course the first Gulf War wasn't wrong.

 

Why don't you, in you ignorant, sanctimonious, "personally," (to use your term), pick the 100,000 or so who would be killed.

 

Not even Biden is stupid enough for that.

 

By the way.

Refresh my memory so that I can understand your false equivalence.

 

Was there a large number of Kuwaiti separatists who wanted to be part of Iraq?

 

'Cause I don't remember that.

Maybe like you don't remember the attempt to avoid war between 1991 and 2003.

Why so pissed, lol? Just asking. I forgot that was a Republican led war. So it’s all good 

[GETTOTHE50]

1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

Who cares? Lots of people do, What could Biden do different? 

 

i didnt ask how many people care, cause i bet more americans and other countries dont care about ukraine than those that do. i asked WHO cares- but we know this, its biden bc him and his crack head son have business dealings with the Ukrainians they dont want out.

 

What could biden have done different? Oh boy where to start.

 

One, not make america weaker on the home front with rising inflation, shortages, and a bad stock market. A weak america with weak leadership is begging for this crap to happen.

Two, actually talk to putin instead of guessing and assuming his intentions for this past couple weeks.

Three, establish negotiations b/w the Ukrainians and Russians on territory before putin amasses 150k troops on the border.

 

Instead more sanctions are coming which only makes relations worse. The whole situation with Russia has been handled piss-poorly and the Biden administration, like Obama, doesnt know how to deal with. because they are full of idiots.

 

Also wanted to add, that Biden has no idea what to communicate during this time regarding US troops there.

He said no military personnel would be there, but there are reports of US troops and personnel there.

And now blinklen, that moron, is saying that they will match the force of Russia.

 

So what the ***** are they doing?

 

Edited February 23, 2022 by GETTOTHE50

[SoCal Deek]

What now?

We already know what Trump would do! He was President for FOUR YEARS..not fifteen minutes! We wouldn’t be in this situation. Almost forty pages now devoted to another Biden mess. 

[The Frankish Reich]

1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

You are willing to risk WW3 because of an agreement.

Pacta sunt servanda.

[Doc]

2 hours ago, Tiberius said:

Oh, but it’s still nice to know he’s gone. If Trump won election Putin would digest Ukraine with no push back at all and the Baltic States would be next. 

 

Oh yes, it's so nice now.  Joey's doing a great job.  So great, his approval ratings are below Trump's and sure to sink even lower.  Because all Joey's going to do is levy toothless and meaningless sanctions.

 

But just to get you on record, you're for all-out war?

[BillStime]

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[Precision]

1 hour ago, GETTOTHE50 said:

i didnt ask how many people care, cause i bet more americans and other countries dont care about ukraine than those that do. i asked WHO cares- but we know this, its biden bc him and his crack head son have business dealings with the Ukrainians they dont want out.

 

What could biden have done different? Oh boy where to start.

 

One, not make america weaker on the home front with rising inflation, shortages, and a bad stock market. A weak america with weak leadership is begging for this crap to happen.

Two, actually talk to putin instead of guessing and assuming his intentions for this past couple weeks.

Three, establish negotiations b/w the Ukrainians and Russians on territory before putin amasses 150k troops on the border.

 

Instead more sanctions are coming which only makes relations worse. The whole situation with Russia has been handled piss-poorly and the Biden administration, like Obama, doesnt know how to deal with. because they are full of idiots.

 

Also wanted to add, that Biden has no idea what to communicate during this time regarding US troops there.

He said no military personnel would be there, but there are reports of US troops and personnel there.

And now blinklen, that moron, is saying that they will match the force of Russia.

 

So what the ***** are they doing?

 

What could sleepy have done differently?  Maybe Biden could have said something like "We are evaluating our military options." or "No response is off the table." or "We plan on responding appropriately to the actions the Russians take." 

 

Instead, we get:

WASHINGTON, Dec 8 (Reuters) - U.S. President Joe Biden said on Wednesday putting American troops on the ground in Ukraine to deter a potential Russian invasion was "not on the table" and he hoped to announce a meeting with Russia and other NATO countries by Friday.

 

But we have some really scary sanctions coming, oh no!

 

What kind of fool shows their hand ahead of time?  He might as well have written Putin a letter telling him exactly what we will do every step of the way. 

 

If an idiot goes to a car dealer and says their willing to pay MSRP, they're going to get the car for......MSRP.  

 

What would I have done?  I would have moved 50K troops, an Armored Division and a couple of squadrons of F-35's and F-22's to southeast Poland for "exercises".  Then I would have told Putin "Whether you like it or don't like it, bear with it, my beauty".

[GETTOTHE50]

1 minute ago, Precision said:

 

What would I have done?  I would have moved 50K troops, an Armored Division and a couple of squadrons of F-35's and F-22's to southeast Poland for "exercises".  Then I would have told Putin "Whether you like it or don't like it, bear with it, my beauty".

this would be a solid move

[Big Blitz]

Omg..

 

"Listen guys.."

 

 

 

[BillStime]

2 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

Omg..

 

"Listen guys.."

 

 

 

freakn brainwashed 

Why doesn’t Tucker Trump highlight any of Putin’s atrocities? 

[sherpa]

5 hours ago, Tiberius said:

 

Why so pissed, lol? Just asking. I forgot that was a Republican led war. So it’s all good 

 

Why do you habitually post nonsense like this?

You don't have the ability to irritate me. 

What you do is post views on things you have no knowledge of, and while babysitting my 11 month old granddaughter who has just learned to walk and requires constant supervision, I can do that and read your stuff with little effort.

Otherwise I wouldn't read it and wouldn't respond.