Great TBN Article on the Patriots (fan-sided perspective)

[Hapless Bills Fan]

https://buffalonews.com/news/local/erik-brady-hate-is-such-a-strong-word-but-when-it-comes-to-the-new/article_3b64e054-52a9-11ec-a837-7f00c49b8f38.html

 

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STOP HATE.  That’s what it says, in caps, on the back of Josh Allen’s helmet.  Shouldn’t there be an asterisk? *Except for the Patriots.

 

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We hate the New England Patriots.

This is true almost everywhere except New England’s own half-dozen states. The Pats are reviled from sea to shining sea – especially so in Buffalo. We reserve for them a visceral, no-holds-barred hate normally reserved for Darth Vader and ice storms in April.

 

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Western New Yorkers hate-watched on Sunday as the Pats thumped the Tennessee Titans, 36-13. “Haaaate both these teams,” tweeted Bills Mafia co-founder Del Reid, and those added vowels really capture the spirit of the thing.

 

Some prime stuff there.

 

As I write this, I can hear Josh Allen in an interview, gathering his thoughts a moment and saying gently to us "That's the difference between being a fan, and being a professional.  When you're a professional, it's just the next game".

 

But this time, it's the next game with the division lead and possibly a chance at the playoffs on the line.  So I'll have extra Salt with that Asterisk, please.

 

GO BILLS!

[Rocky Landing]

I don't like admitting this, but... I think what I haaaate the most about the Pats* isn't their evil-genius HC, their corrupt organization, their annoying past dominance in the AFCE, or their long, and storied history of cheating. It's their fanbase.

 

I know lots of them. I have numerous family members (from my wife's side), and co-workers who are Pats* fans. I have friends who are Pats* fans. They're all good people. But, when it comes to the team, and especially on game day, or in football discussions, they turn into the worst douchebags you'll ever meet. The smarmy chest-thumping, and endless gloating, and the reality-twisting narratives of "they hate us for our success," and "ALL teams cheat..." and "GOAT this, and GOAT that..." It's sickening. Every sentence from the MFs ends with some LOL emoji. 

 

And let's stop calling them the New England Patriots*. People in Vermont hate them as much as the rest of the country, and Maine follows hockey. Hell, there's even a big chunk of Western Mass that hates the Patriots* They're the Boston Patriots*. F*** them.

[Success]

2 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said:

I don't like admitting this, but... I think what I haaaate the most about the Pats* isn't their evil-genius HC, their corrupt organization, their annoying past dominance in the AFCE, or their long, and storied history of cheating. It's their fanbase.

 

I know lots of them. I have numerous family members (from my wife's side), and co-workers who are Pats* fans. I have friends who are Pats* fans. They're all good people. But, when it comes to the team, and especially on game day, or in football discussions, they turn into the worst douchebags you'll ever meet. The smarmy chest-thumping, and endless gloating, and the reality-twisting narratives of "they hate us for our success," and "ALL teams cheat..." and "GOAT this, and GOAT that..." It's sickening. Every sentence from the MFs ends with some LOL emoji. 

 

And let's stop calling them the New England Patriots*. People in Vermont hate them as much as the rest of the country, and Maine follows hockey. Hell, there's even a big chunk of Western Mass that hates the Patriots* They're the Boston Patriots*. F*** them.

 

Nailed it.

 

Not popular here, but I respect Belichick & Brady. I'm a fan of the game as well as of the Bills, and what they accomplished together is remarkable. I used to "hate" Jordan as a Knicks fan - but when I took my kids to the HOF, I was like, "I saw the flu game!"  I marvel at what he's done now.

 

The fans are another story. I have quite a few friends up that way, and I really avoid sports talk w/ them in general.  All the "hate us cuz they ain't us" jealousy stuff is right there in the mirror for so many of the older fans who hated the Yankees the same way, and STILL do to this day though they have had 15+ years of success against them.

 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

The worst part about Patriots fans is none of them were 20 years ago. 

[uninja]

1 minute ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

The worst part about Patriots fans is none of them were 20 years ago. 

 

Yeah you ask them about Grogan or Beldsoe and they look at you like you're trying pronounce the name of products in an Ikea catalog.

[Philly McButterpants]

Hey Bills Fans - Pat*s fans are flooding this thread on the r/NFL sub-reddit - get out there and support the team.  

[Hapless Bills Fan]

19 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

The worst part about Patriots fans is none of them were 20 years ago. 

 

There actually were.  I have a good friend who's a Pats fan and a totally decent guy even while watching Pats football.

 

But he's my age,started his fandom in the Dark Days of the late 60s, and lived through the '80s and early '90s when they were the Patsies and a perennially bad team.

 

We have a Pats fan on this forum who can comment knowledgeably about on Tony Eason.

 

So they do exist.

 

13 minutes ago, Philly McButterpants said:

Hey Bills Fans - Pat*s fans are flooding this thread on the r/NFL sub-reddit - get out there and support the team.  

 

***** that ***** ***** let them leak.  Let them flood.

[HereComesTheReignAgain]

31 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

The worst part about Patriots fans is none of them were 20 years ago. 

The quickest way to shut up a "die hard" Pats* fan is to ask them to name 3 Pats* players before the Brady era.  95% of them will look at you like you just asked them to explain cold fusion.

Edited December 2, 2021 by HereComesTheReignAgain

[NewEra]

Sweet.  Yet another

[Patrick Duffy]

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

Sweet.  Yet another

Lol, was wondering if anyone was going to say, "another Pats thread"  this time

[Haslett_Stomp]

16 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

There actually were.  I have a good friend who's a Pats fan and a totally decent guy even while watching Pats football.

 

But he's my age,started his fandom in the Dark Days of the late 60s, and lived through the '80s and early '90s when they were the Patsies and a perennially bad team.

 

We have a Pats fan on this forum who can comment knowledgeably about on Tony Eason.

 

So they do exist.

 

 

***** that ***** ***** let them leak.  Let them flood.

 

It's true, I married one...  Her favorite player other than Brady is Steve Grogan.

Edited December 2, 2021 by Haslett_Stomp

[BuffaloBillyG]

8 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Sweet.  Yet another

Man, even Hap is starting Pats threads now. This board is in a full blown pandemic😂😂😂

[NewEra]

4 minutes ago, Sheneneh Jenkins said:

Lol, was wondering if anyone was going to say, "another Pats thread"  this time

Pats message board has 2 bills threads.  Is anyone still worried about the bills and the MNF pregame thread.  

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 minute ago, No Place To Hyde said:

Man, even Hap is starting Pats threads now. This board is in a full blown pandemic😂😂😂

 

Like you say...."No Place to Hyde" 😅

[BuffaloBillyG]

39 minutes ago, uninja said:

 

Yeah you ask them about Grogan or Beldsoe and they look at you like you're trying pronounce the name of products in an Ikea catalog.

Ask a lot of the Bills fans you see in the stands about Joe Ferguson, Joe Cribbs or the WR duo of Butler and Lewis and you'll get the same odd stare.

 

Just happens that there are a lot of younger NFL fans these days. And the younger Pat fans just grew up in it...which is why they have that air of entitlement.

[billsfanmiamioh]

15 minutes ago, HereComesTheReignAgain said:

The quickest way to shut up a "die hard" Pats* fan is to ask them to name 3 Pats* players before the Brady era.  95% of them will look at you like you just asked them to explain cold fusion.

I’ve mad much success with asking them to name the QB before Bledsoe 

[Patrick Duffy]

17 minutes ago, HereComesTheReignAgain said:

The quickest way to shut up a "die hard" Pats* fan is to ask them to name 3 Pats* players before the Brady era.  95% of them will look at you like you just asked them to explain cold fusion.

Lol, yeah this is true. I have experienced it with a few different "Pats fans". If they did name anyone before Brady it was Bledsoe, or C. Martin. Most of the time was Bledsoe though.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

20 minutes ago, HereComesTheReignAgain said:

The quickest way to shut up a "die hard" Pats* fan is to ask them to name 3 Pats* players before the Brady era.  95% of them will look at you like you just asked them to explain cold fusion.

Even I can do that… but barely 

 

flutie

grogan

fair catch fryar 

[Patrick Duffy]

7 minutes ago, billsfanmiamioh said:

I’ve mad much success with asking them to name the QB before Bledsoe 

Yup, that's right. But these particular ones claim they are "die hard for life, loyal like a german shepherd raised from a puppy". And would be 40+ yrs old, so should know if a fan since childhood. lol

Edited December 2, 2021 by Sheneneh Jenkins

[dave mcbride]

1 hour ago, uninja said:

 

Yeah you ask them about Grogan or Beldsoe and they look at you like you're trying pronounce the name of products in an Ikea catalog.

Ironically, I know a bunch of Pats fans, and they all have strong and informed opinions about Grogan, Tony Eason, and Kenneth Sims.

[freddyjj]

There was a day I felt bad for the Pats.  John Hannah, Ben Coates and Andre Tippett were stud players that any team would have loved to have stuck with a bad organization.

 

Then, 21 years ago in JAN  2000 the Pats send a 2000 1st Rd Pick (#16) to the NYJ for a new Coach - Bill Belichick. Who trades for a coach?   The Jets used that pick to move up and take Shaun Ellis as they went into Day 1 with 4 First Round picks.  

 

In same draft the Pats took Tom Brady in Rd 6

 

And so it began

 

THE HATE

 

 

[hondo in seattle]

Why waste emotional energy on hate???

 

I don't hate any team.  I don't hate any player.  I don't hate any coach.  

 

I've been to war.  I don't hate the soldiers who were trying to kill me and my guys.  Why would I hate someone who plays a game for another team?  Or roots for a team other than the one I love?  

 

I get there's no love for the Pats.  But I don't get the hate.  Life's too short to spend any part of it on that.

[May Day 10]

'dont nobody like the patriots'

 

-marcel dareus

[mabden]

2 hours ago, Rocky Landing said:

I don't like admitting this, but... I think what I haaaate the most about the Pats* isn't their evil-genius HC, their corrupt organization, their annoying past dominance in the AFCE, or their long, and storied history of cheating. It's their fanbase.

 

I know lots of them. I have numerous family members (from my wife's side), and co-workers who are Pats* fans. I have friends who are Pats* fans. They're all good people. But, when it comes to the team, and especially on game day, or in football discussions, they turn into the worst douchebags you'll ever meet. The smarmy chest-thumping, and endless gloating, and the reality-twisting narratives of "they hate us for our success," and "ALL teams cheat..." and "GOAT this, and GOAT that..." It's sickening. Every sentence from the MFs ends with some LOL emoji. 

 

And let's stop calling them the New England Patriots*. People in Vermont hate them as much as the rest of the country, and Maine follows hockey. Hell, there's even a big chunk of Western Mass that hates the Patriots* They're the Boston Patriots*. F*** them.

 

It's all of the above.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

2 hours ago, billsfanmiamioh said:

I’ve mad much success with asking them to name the QB before Bledsoe 

In my mind I’ve decided the QB before Josh was Jim Kelly 

[EasternOHBillsFan]

3 hours ago, Rocky Landing said:

And let's stop calling them the New England Patriots*. People in Vermont hate them as much as the rest of the country, and Maine follows hockey. Hell, there's even a big chunk of Western Mass that hates the Patriots* They're the Boston Patriots*. F*** them.

 

Ohh no, that is DEFINITELY not true about Vermont... unfortunately the family on my father's side in northeastern Vermont, better known as the NEK, are all Cheatriots fans. It's a really depressing thing to see and Boston fans in general are the worst in sports IMHO. I've hated them for years and seeing them transform from insufferable whining losers to insufferable gloating winners has been even worse. It's disgusting...

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

5 hours ago, NewEra said:

Pats message board has 2 bills threads.  Is anyone still worried about the bills and the MNF pregame thread.  

Lol ‘still’ I don’t think anyone even knows we’re getting a bunch of important guys in the trenches back. My favorite part if we win this game will be how the whole ‘the bills are inconsistent’ narrative is going to be played up even more when it’s pretty obvious why we lost the games we did 

Edited December 2, 2021 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Success]

5 hours ago, NewEra said:

Pats message board has 2 bills threads.  Is anyone still worried about the bills and the MNF pregame thread.  

 

Makes sense.  They've owned us, not the other way around.

 

I'm a Yankees fan, and I always notice the reverse.  Even now after the Red Sox success, Yankees fans almost never talk about the Red Sox outside of the head-to-head match ups.  But when I check a Red Sox board, they're basically obsessed w/ everything NY.

 

[NewEra]

17 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Lol ‘still’ I don’t think anyone even knows we’re getting a bunch of important guys in the trenches back. My favorite part if we win this game will be how the whole ‘the bills are inconsistent’ narrative is going to be played up even more when it’s pretty obvious why we lost the games we did 

Yeah, I can see that.   
 

while I’m excited to get the trenches back, I expect the pats to attack the outside more so than the middle.  I expect BB to force Levi and Dane to tackle and make plays.  Don’t get me wrong, they’ll be pounding up the gut too, but I think it’ll be an even dose of inside and out, with the big plays coming on the outside.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

14 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Yeah, I can see that.   
 

while I’m excited to get the trenches back, I expect the pats to attack the outside more so than the middle.  I expect BB to force Levi and Dane to tackle and make plays.  Don’t get me wrong, they’ll be pounding up the gut too, but I think it’ll be an even dose of inside and out, with the big plays coming on the outside.

Yea should be interesting…our team is tough to gauge we really had one terrible defensive performance and we were missing a lot of defensive pieces in a matchup where those guys were at a premium…I thought we actually did a decent job against Henry in the other game we gave up a lot of points and that titans offense at full strength is a tier or two above the pats talent wise

30 minutes ago, Success said:

 

Makes sense.  They've owned us, not the other way around.

 

I'm a Yankees fan, and I always notice the reverse.  Even now after the Red Sox success, Yankees fans almost never talk about the Red Sox outside of the head-to-head match ups.  But when I check a Red Sox board, they're basically obsessed w/ everything NY.

 

They certainly could win the game but it seems like their fans have a bit of a false sense of security about how tough this game will be because we got nuked by the colts and they see themselves as a better version of the colts.  The NY Times had an article about how we’re destined for a pats bucs Superbowl…these are crazy times lol I feel like wishful thinking has supplanted logic at this point…i don’t even see the bucs getting past the packers…as bills fans surviving years of being bad we have developed a negative wishful thinking haha this whole psychological phenomenon is baffling like I feel like it’s fair to say at worst for us this is a 50/50 game and people are frustrated that it’s potentially a 50/50 game so we’re talking like we’ve already lost 😂

Edited December 3, 2021 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Success]

15 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

 

They certainly could win the game but it seems like their fans have a bit of a false sense of security about how tough this game will be because we got nuked by the colts and they see themselves as a better version of the colts.  The NY Times had an article about how we’re destined for a pats bucs Superbowl…these are crazy times lol I feel like wishful thinking has supplanted logic at this point…i don’t even see the bucs getting past the packers…as bills fans surviving years of being bad we have developed a negative wishful thinking haha this whole psychological phenomenon is baffling like I feel like it’s fair to say at worst for us this is a 50/50 game and people are frustrated that it’s potentially a 50/50 game so we’re talking like we’ve already lost 😂

 

Psychology is a weird thing in sports.  I definitely have some doom in me w/ all of the experience I've had - and I know I felt VERY different in the early '90's, particularly during and after that 1st SB run.

 

After that post I responded to, I checked out that Pats board - they have an "embrace the hate" thread too where the Bills get a lot of play, not favorable.  It's a pretty shocking contrast compared to this board.  It's entitlement personified.  They may be set up for another long run - or not. But they certainly believe they are.  Just add water.

 

Edited December 3, 2021 by Success

[wagne591]

11 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Yea should be interesting…our team is tough to gauge we really had one terrible defensive performance and we were missing a lot of defensive pieces in a matchup where those guys were at a premium…I thought we actually did a decent job against Henry in the other game we gave up a lot of points and that titans offense at full strength is a tier or two above the pats talent wise

They certainly could win the game but it seems like their fans have a bit of a false sense of security about how tough this game will be because we got nuked by the colts and they see themselves as a better version of the colts.  The NY Times had an article about how we’re destined for a pats bucs Superbowl…these are crazy times lol I feel like wishful thinking has supplanted logic at this point…i don’t even see the bucs getting past the packers…as bills fans surviving years of being bad we have developed a negative wishful thinking haha 

If this happens that is one SB Sunday I will not watch....not even a little bit.  I didn't watch their rematch earlier this year.  Plus if that happens Vegas is all over that one and the reason for it.  To me games seemed a little fixed this year since they legalized gambling IMO.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

1 minute ago, wagne591 said:

If this happens that is one SB Sunday I will not watch....not even a little bit.  I didn't watch their rematch earlier this year.  Plus if that happens Vegas is all over that one and the reason for it.  To me games seemed a little fixed this year since they legalized gambling IMO.

I think the pats have a better chance than the bucs not sure how hot or a take that is though…pats aren’t really built well to knock out a bunch of playoff caliber opponents in a row though so I don’t give that matchup much of a chance…and the bucs have a gauntlet of tough nfc teams to wade through. 

[Governor]

7 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

The worst part about Patriots fans is none of them were 20 years ago. 

They initially returned when Parcells was there, Desmond Howard, etc.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

25 minutes ago, Governor said:

They initially returned when Parcells was there, Desmond Howard, etc.

Howard was patsie…?

 

ultimate bandwagon base 

[Governor]

Just now, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Howard was patsie…?

 

ultimate bandwagon base 

No. He was a Packer that beat them in that SB with a kick return. 1996? Curtis Martin era.