Big Turk Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 Wow...color me shocked... https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl-betting-the-bills-are-the-super-bowl-favorite-at-the-halfway-point-of-the-2021-season-144427688.html Buffalo is the clear favorite for the AFC despite a Week 9 loss to Jacksonville. Here's how all the betting odds have changed through 9 weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 Things can change but right now in the AFC I would have the Ravens as the favorites followed by the Titans. They impressed me by going into LA and dominating the Rams without Henry. The Bills are in the mix but being one dimensional on offense hurts their chances. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 11 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Wow...color me shocked... You are shocked because you had a meltdown over one game, choosing to define a front office, coaching staff, and players on a one time performance rather than evaluating an entire body of work... 2 2 5 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorquemada Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 The Bills have beat 1 team with a winning record. i think i'd tap the brakes on the super bowl talk until they beat a quality opponent. In fact, let's start with beating a bottom feeder and work out from there 2 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: You are shocked because you had a meltdown over one game, choosing to define a front office, coaching staff, and players on a one time performance rather than evaluating an entire body of work... Do you believe that the Buffalo Bills, as constituted today, are the best team in the NFL? 1 1 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, dorquemada said: The Bills have beat 1 team with a winning record. i think i'd tap the brakes on the super bowl talk until they beat a quality opponent. In fact, let's start with beating a bottom feeder and work out from there Do you believe that the Buffalo Bills, as constituted today, are the best team in the NFL? 1. Your "bottom feeder" comment is a joke and shows no actual ability to analyze this team. 2. With Brown back in the lineup, all lineman healthy and playing in position, and Knox back in the lineup: The answer is they are absolutely capable of winning the SB. Edited November 9, 2021 by billsfan1959 3 1 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorquemada Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 2 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: 1. Your "bottom feeder" comment is a joke and shows no actual ability to analyze this team. 2. With Brown back in the lineup, all lineman healthy and playing in position, and Knox back in the lineup: The answer is they are absolutely capable of winning the SB. Reading is fundamental. "Bottom feeder" in my post refers to the opponents. First, Jacksonville, then the Jets. If you think losing to the Jags isn't a huge problem, then I don't know what to tell you. A loss to the Jets is lights out for this season. Even if we somehow fall backwards into the playoffs, we're not going to beat a winning team on the road. Regarding point #2, if you're resting your hopes on a 5th round OL pick that basically nobody heard of 6 weeks ago, that his return will fix the Bills problems, then yeah, you're a homer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 1 minute ago, dorquemada said: Reading is fundamental. "Bottom feeder" in my post refers to the opponents. First, Jacksonville, then the Jets. If you think losing to the Jags isn't a huge problem, then I don't know what to tell you. A loss to the Jets is lights out for this season. Even if we somehow fall backwards into the playoffs, we're not going to beat a winning team on the road. Regarding point #2, if you're resting your hopes on a 5th round OL pick that basically nobody heard of 6 weeks ago, that his return will fix the Bills problems, then yeah, you're a homer. Apparently, Vegas disagrees with your assessment of this team...along with pretty much every rational, critical thinking human being... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 So stupid... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strive_for_five_guy Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 20 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: You are shocked because you had a meltdown over one game, choosing to define a front office, coaching staff, and players on a one time performance rather than evaluating an entire body of work... Wait, I thought the sky is falling? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 It's insane to me we are #1 offense and defensive scoring and we are 5-3. Usually a team with those rankings are undefeated or one loss. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Matter_What Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 26 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: You are shocked because you had a meltdown over one game, choosing to define a front office, coaching staff, and players on a one time performance rather than evaluating an entire body of work... Not only him, but half of this board. It just shows that people outside are much more rational than fans here. 26 minutes ago, dorquemada said: The Bills have beat 1 team with a winning record. i think i'd tap the brakes on the super bowl talk until they beat a quality opponent. In fact, let's start with beating a bottom feeder and work out from there Do you believe that the Buffalo Bills, as constituted today, are the best team in the NFL? I don't agree with most of what you say, but I have to give you credit for counting Chiefs win as beating the team with winning record. Many people will argue that record they had when we beat them matters. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorquemada Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 Just now, No_Matter_What said: I don't agree with most of what you say, but I have to give you credit for counting Chiefs win as beating the team with winning record. Many people will argue that record they had when we beat them matters. Just the Facts, No_Matter_What Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingBoots8 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 (edited) Remember when the browns beat the pats in 2010? Do you think their fanbase was calling for heads after that game? It was 34-14. They had no business losing that game at all. What about when the Bucs lost last year to NO? They got thrashed. Brady looked human. Do you think their fan base was ready to burn it all down after one awful performance? Good teams play bad games sometimes. Bad teams find ways to win against better opponents sometimes. Crap happens. We are a better team than we realize, and we sometimes have a habit of nitpicking our weaknesses. We aren’t perfect, sure, but we have the tools to win. If we can get our OL healthy and get Knox back I feel we will be primed to do our thing on offense again. With this Defense and Offense we can win. I do think there are other teams that either match up against us well or may even be more complete, but that doesn’t mean they get a free pass to the bowl. please note- I’m not saying we are perfect or can’t improve. We were a play away from winning vs Tenn. We had a ST blunder be the difference vs Pitt. We, uh, lost to the damn Jags. I get it, but it’s not a forgone conclusion that we can’t win. You have the right to be frustrated, but this fa base can sometimes overreact because we are so afraid to be irrelevant again. trust the process- it’s worked well enough so far Edited November 9, 2021 by KingBoots8 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 I’m not smart enuf to see much daylight between the Bills, Ravens and Titans at this point. They are pretty much neck & neck. Certainly the Bills are in the mix with their D and Josh Allen. When crunch time arrives they will not be easy to beat. I think its fair to say that there is no need to overreact to the Jags loss right now. It was certainly an unwelcome surprise. I think its the worse loss I’ve ever endured as a Bills fan. I don’t think any Jauron team ever handed in so pathetic a report card. They weren’t any good but they were always coached up to be ready to perform to the best of their limited ability. But I fully expect the coaches and players to regroup and figure some stuff out and I don’t think you will see another debacle quite like the one we’ve just witnessed. Will the adjustments be good enuf? Don’t know, but I certainly expect them to be better, including notably along the O line. Lots of good teams have endured surprise blowouts and gotten back on course. And the Bills remain a good team imo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 It’s still early and AFC is wide open. We also have some critical problems that need to be addressed before I start caring about things like this. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Negan Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 Bills still -13.5 at the Jets... Vegas still thinks Bills are a SB favorite One bad game doesn't define you 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 2 minutes ago, starrymessenger said: I’m not smart enuf to see much daylight between the Bills, Ravens and Titans at this point. They are pretty much neck & neck. Certainly the Bills are in the mix with their D and Josh Allen. When crunch time arrives they will not be easy to beat. I think its fair to say that there is no need to overreact to the Jags loss right now. It was certainly an unwelcome surprise. I think its the worse loss I’ve ever endured as a Bills fan. I don’t think any Jauron team ever handed in so pathetic a report card. They weren’t any good but they were always coached up to be ready to perform to the best of their limited ability. But I fully expect the coaches and players to regroup and figure some stuff out and I don’t think you will see another debacle quite like the one we’ve just witnessed. Will the adjustments be good enuf? Don’t know, but I certainly expect them to be better, including notably along the O line. Lots of good teams have endured surprise blowouts and gotten back on course. And the Bills remain a good team imo. Good post. Although you must have repressed some of those games under Jauron in order to deal with the trauma . I also remember some pathetic performances under Levy during their SB years. It happens. We'll see how they respond. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrb1979 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 Just now, Negan said: Bills still -13.5 at the Jets... Vegas still thinks Bills are a SB favorite One bad game doesn't define you It's not just one game. They didn't look against Miami last week either. The offense has been off for most of the year. Teams are figuring them out. Til the start running the ball consistently they will have games they struggle in. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 I would have the Titans and Ravens ahead of the Bills myself. Titans pulled off a huge upset without their best player. While the Ravens had a bad game but still pulled the win out. I know it’s one game but the Titans also bet the Bills straight up and have a 2 game cushion for playoff position. mind you this doesn’t mean the Bills can’t be in or even win the SB just that being favorites seems wrong right now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBills_88 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 After the same type of JETS game last year with no touchdowns we went on a scoring spree, I believe we are going to turn things around in a dramatic fashion. This was that moment in the season were the team will look themselves in the mirror and get back to that underdog mentality. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 More than ever this is such a week to week league. Next week or so Dallas and Buffalo will be the darlings of the NFL, and Arizona and Tennessee will be crap. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingBoots8 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 (edited) 19 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: Good post. Although you must have repressed some of those games under Jauron in order to deal with the trauma . I also remember some pathetic performances under Levy during their SB years. It happens. We'll see how they respond. Ironically the 6-9 Bills vs Browns poo show in 2009 rings a bell regarding that Jauron era hahaha. Brady Quinn & Derek Anderson vs Trent Edwards 🥶🤮 EDIT: this game was actually 3-6 🤣 Edited November 9, 2021 by KingBoots8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffblue Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 7 minutes ago, Bangarang said: It’s still early and AFC is wide open. We also have some critical problems that need to be addressed before I start caring about things like this. True, but to me it is undeniable the Titans are the favorite for the #1 seed with an obvious leg up to reach the Super Bowl. Tennessee has NO, Hou, Jac, Mia, and SF at home & NE, Pit, and Hou on the road remaining. If the Bills were to pass them while only losing one more game, the Titans would still need to lose 3. If the Bills lose 2, the Titans would need to lose 4. It's very difficult right now to see those scenarios playing out. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilthyBeast Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 Well maybe the NFL is really rigged and the officials will make sure we get there and win it all then. But in all seriousness, this really makes no sense when you look at the totality of the Bills season thus far sitting at 5-3. IMO a true SB contender wins the Steelers and Jags game. Yes the AFC is wide open but just can't see why the Bills would be the favorite with the glaring holes they have which is why they also have 3 losses right now and are on pace for a 10/11 season at best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 Just now, KingBoots8 said: Ironically the 6-9 Bills vs Browns poo show in 2009 rings a bell regarding that Jauron era hahaha. Brady Quinn & Derek Anderson vs Trent Edwards 🥶🤮 LOL...remember that "edge of your seat," 6-3 loss to Clevelend gem - with Trent Edwards throwing 1 yard passes on 3rd and anything? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 4 minutes ago, buffblue said: True, but to me it is undeniable the Titans are the favorite for the #1 seed with an obvious leg up to reach the Super Bowl. Tennessee has NO, Hou, Jac, Mia, and SF at home & NE, Pit, and Hou on the road remaining. If the Bills were to pass them while only losing one more game, the Titans would still need to lose 3. If the Bills lose 2, the Titans would need to lose 4. It's very difficult right now to see those scenarios playing out. On the plus side is if the Bills have to play at Tennessee again. They wont have to deal with Henry and most of the fans will be cheering for them making it feel like a home game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 5 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said: But in all seriousness, this really makes no sense when you look at the totality of the Bills season thus far sitting at 5-3. IMO a true SB contender wins the Steelers and Jags game. The 7-5 2020 Tampa Bay Buccaneers say hello... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrb1979 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 Just now, billsfan1959 said: The 7-5 2020 Tampa Bay Buccaneers say hello... They had a running game unlike this Bills team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 1 minute ago, Jrb1979 said: They had a running game unlike this Bills team. Yeah - that team should really be mentioned in the same conversation as this team... Said nobody ever... Except you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingBoots8 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 6 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: LOL...remember that "edge of your seat," 6-3 loss to Clevelend gem - with Trent Edwards throwing 1 yard passes on 3rd and anything? Oh god it WAS 6-3! I thought it was a barely more respectable 6-9 hahaha. Literally the worst game of football I ever saw. I decided not to get a jersey that day because I already had my Moorman one and that was enough since he was our only good player that day lol 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPL Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 31 teams aren't going to win the Super Bowl this year. Will the Buffalo Bills be one of them? Tune in to find out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilthyBeast Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 7 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: The 7-5 2020 Tampa Bay Buccaneers say hello... They had the GOAT, good oline, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPL Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 10 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: LOL...remember that "edge of your seat," 6-3 loss to Clevelend gem - with Trent Edwards throwing 1 yard passes on 3rd and anything? oof, I was at this game. Roscoe Parish muffed a punt late in the 4th, allowing the Browns to kick the go-ahead field goal. We boo'd the offense every time they took field in the 2nd half. After the game, Trent Edwards was asked if he would have boo'd if he was a fan, to which he responded, "I don't know; I'm not a fan." Those were tough times. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 I remember the Cleveland game. They showed close-ups of Trent warming up on the sidelines. His eyes looked dead. I honestly said to myself this guy is done. It was a totally crap game but between two bad teams. The Jags game bothers me more because we are supposed to be championship contenders and they are one of the worst, if not the worst team in the league. Maybe they did but I don’t recall Jauron’s teams lacking effort, just ability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 (edited) On a side note Josh is #2 as mvp odds favorite after the Jagstastrophy. Go figure? We're just not physical enough on the OL to beat teams like Tennessee or Baltimore. I have no doubt Beane will draft/sign a boatload of olineman this spring and nobody is going after Daboll. Reset for 2022. Edited November 9, 2021 by LABILLBACKER Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 Just now, FilthyBeast said: They had the GOAT, good oline, etc. You. Missed. The. Point. He basically said if the Bills were a real SB contender they wouldn't be 5-3. If that is true then TB wasn't a real SB contender at 7-5. And there wasn't anyone thinking the Buccaneers were SB contenders at 7-5 and coming off 3 losses in four games - including an absolute beating and pathetic performance by the GOAT with 3 INTs and a 40 QB rating against the Saints... It is a long season and you do not pre-judge the outcome by what happens in the 8th game of the season... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 1 minute ago, billsfan1959 said: You. Missed. The. Point. He basically said if the Bills were a real SB contender they wouldn't be 5-3. If that is true then TB wasn't a real SB contender at 7-5. And there wasn't anyone thinking the Buccaneers were SB contenders at 7-5 and coming off 3 losses in four games - including an absolute beating and pathetic performance by the GOAT with 3 INTs and a 40 QB rating against the Saints... It is a long season and you do not pre-judge the outcome by what happens in the 8th game of the season... remember when the “??????” won the SB with a bunch of softies manning the OL ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilthyBeast Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 1 minute ago, billsfan1959 said: You. Missed. The. Point. He basically said if the Bills were a real SB contender they wouldn't be 5-3. If that is true then TB wasn't a real SB contender at 7-5. And there wasn't anyone thinking the Buccaneers were SB contenders at 7-5 and coming off 3 losses in four games - including an absolute beating and pathetic performance by the GOAT with 3 INTs and a 40 QB rating against the Saints... It is a long season and you do not pre-judge the outcome by what happens in the 8th game of the season... I disagree with this because again, everybody knows what Brady is capable of in the playoffs once the door is open. Sure the media wasn't pounding the Bucs last year like they are now as SB favorites but it's about being a proven commodity and despite last year 13-3 season there's no evidence to suggest that this current Bills team as is about to run the table and win it all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 1 minute ago, Teddy KGB said: remember when the “??????” won the SB with a bunch of softies manning the OL ? Your entire premise revolves around your belief this oline is so bad and so soft that this team is incapable of winning a SB. Feel free to have that opinion. To me, your question is irrelevant because I happen to disagree with you. I think a realistic evaluation of the body of evidence with this team leans more in my favor than yours. It is a long season. We will see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 18 minutes ago, MPL said: oof, I was at this game. Roscoe Parish muffed a punt late in the 4th, allowing the Browns to kick the go-ahead field goal. We boo'd the offense every time they took field in the 2nd half. After the game, Trent Edwards was asked if he would have boo'd if he was a fan, to which he responded, "I don't know; I'm not a fan." Those were tough times. Nothing was tougher than 84 and 85. Back to back 2-14 seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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