Give Allen some credit for his play today

[DD4Bills]

Haven’t seen this anywhere yet, but Josh was clearly under the weather today. It was obvious in his post game presser…just listen to his voice. And he was starting to sound a bit raspy earlier in the week when he met with the press after practice. 
 

is that why they lost? heck no, but it had to contribute to his clearly sub-standard play. Yes the line was a sieve, but a fully healthy Josh gets away more than today’s sick Josh did. 

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

1 minute ago, Success said:

To me, the most alarming thing was him missing Sanders on that last play.  Sanders was wide open for the 1st down, and Josh was rolling that way. It seemed like he looked right at him before forcing it in the other direction.

 

He's doing what he can given the line, and I haven't lost faith in him - but that was a head scratcher.

 

 

Yeah he definitely boned that one; he was locked on Diggs the entire time.  He won't be happy when he sees that one on tape.

[oldmanfan]

Josh wasn’t good today.  He’d be the first one to say that.  But the line play was as bad as I’ve ever seen and I’ve been watching since 1960.

[FireChans]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

To further my point, the Cardinals without both Kyler Murray and DeAndre Hopkins are currently pantsing the 49ers. They're piecing together a run game with James Conner and Eno Benjamin. Can you imagine what our offense would look like if Allen and Diggs missed a game?

Colt McCoy played better than Josh today.

[colin]

Allen stank, but with a couple exceptions of him scrambling or the ball getting out super fast to a wr who just whipped his man off the line, it seemed like the jags knew our every play.

 

They showed zone, and then jumped beaz cuz our zone beater.  Every run was sniffed out   they blitzed and had free runners on just about every 3rd and long.  

 

Josh was bad, our OL was absolute trash, and dabol is in over his head.

[Augie]

2 hours ago, HappyDays said:

Not going to be a popular opinion but here goes.

 

Allen fought his *** off today. He had zero help from his run game, as per usual. This doesn't need to be said but the pass protection was horrific. Allen had the **** kicked out of him all day; I'm pretty sure at one point in the 2nd half his arm was bleeding. Poor early down play calling gave us zero margin for error. There were WR drops at the worst possible times. Offensive penalties put us behind the sticks a bunch of times. I mean nothing went right.

 

Despite all of that he hung in there and scratched and clawed to singlehandedly drag the offense down the field. Unfortunately he wasn't able to manufacture just one TD but he was put in an impossible situation.

 

I already know people will bring up the two bad interceptions. Yep both of those were bad throws. They were also both on 3rd down when the Bills were out of field goal range either way. The interceptions did not change the game.

 

I don't know another QB that could have even made it through the game without a serious injury, let alone won it. The offense has a lot of work to do but the last person I am worried about is #17.

 

You have a problem when your OL is not good, and then you have 40% of the line replaced with guys who couldn’t crack a bad starting lineup. 

 

We have other needs, but the focus of the offseason has to be the OL. A great OL and we are a team nobody else wants to see on the schedule. 

[Norcalbillsfan]

8 minutes ago, BananaB said:

Josh will take the blame because that’s who he is. Anyone who watched the game knows this was not all on him. Oline and RBs were terrible today and our WRs dropped some balls that could of been either big plays or extended drives…. Josh will carry all the blame though and when you look at the stat sheet his 3 turnovers will pop out at ya. That was a brutal performance by the whole group in my opinion. 

Agreed, he had some really terrible plays but its also not really fair to Josh that his team  can't let him have a few bad plays without the bills being a dumpster fire.  Not to mention if Beasley makes that catch and Gabe makes that catch and tre makes that pick we aren't having this conversation, 3 easy chances to pick up Josh on a down game and they don't come through.

[thewookie1]

Allen's 3 Turnovers:

 

1.  Bad Throw, to be honest I have no clue what happened there. 

2. Bad Decision while under duress

3. Meaningless, he fumbled a ball on a 4th and 2 trying to get a 1st down. They gained at most 1 yard more than had we turned it over on downs.

[HappyDays]

43 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Colt McCoy played better than Josh today.

 

Do you think Colt McCoy today played better than Mahomes did in the Super Bowl?

[BananaB]

46 minutes ago, Success said:

To me, the most alarming thing was him missing Sanders on that last play.  Sanders was wide open for the 1st down, and Josh was rolling that way. It seemed like he looked right at him before forcing it in the other direction.

 

He's doing what he can given the line, and I haven't lost faith in him - but that was a head scratcher.

 

Why? You see the video and you get a better view of the field and how much space is between sanders abd the defender behind him. At field level you don’t have that luxury, he could of thought he was closer then he actually was. Diggs on the other hand had a clear step on his guy the ball was just poorly placed. 

[FireChans]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

 

Do you think Colt McCoy today played better than Mahomes did in the Super Bowl?

Yeah absolutely.

 

Do you think Andy Reid is a crappy OC or do you think the Chiefs just played like ***** that night?

[HappyDays]

1 minute ago, FireChans said:

Yeah absolutely.

 

I think this is crazy. QBs are the most important player on offense obviously but they're not the end all be all. Switch QBs in the Super Bowl and I guarantee the Bucs still win, possibly by more considering Mahomes was better than Brady last year. Brady couldn't have dealt with that 4-man pressure anymore than Mahomes could. If anything it would have been worse. There is no book to beating a defense that can consistently get pressure with 4, unless you can run the ball. The Chiefs couldn't run the ball or pass protect, ergo their offense stalled out all night. It had nothing to do with Mahomes. I'm pretty sure if you ask anyone else who watches football they would agree with me on that.

[Iiiiiiiiive Got a Feeeelin]

i mean it was super obvious our offensive line played like complete and total s***i mean look at our "run game" .  this was josh of old caus he had the o line of his rookie year tonight basically. not much anyone could do

[FireChans]

3 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

I think this is crazy. QBs are the most important player on offense obviously but they're not the end all be all. Switch QBs in the Super Bowl and I guarantee the Bucs still win, possibly by more considering Mahomes was better than Brady last year. Brady couldn't have dealt with that 4-man pressure anymore than Mahomes could. If anything it would have been worse. There is no book to beating a defense that can consistently get pressure with 4, unless you can run the ball. The Chiefs couldn't run the ball or pass protect, ergo their offense stalled out all night. It had nothing to do with Mahomes. I'm pretty sure if you ask anyone else who watches football they would agree with me on that.

Should they have fired Andy Reid? Why did you ignore my comment? 
 

You also completely changed the question. I never said Colt would do better 

Edited November 8, 2021 by FireChans

[par73]

He deserves plenty of blame-- with the OL and coaching staff. Jaguars did nothing but throw the house at him. You have to make plays to beat them.

[HappyDays]

7 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Should they have fired Andy Reid?

 

Andy Reid is a generational play caller. Brian Daboll has historically been the OC of bad offenses. He found success for the first time in his career with Josh Allen as his QB. I don't believe that's a coincidence.

 

I didn't personally see anything in the Super Bowl that I blamed on Andy Reid. If Chiefs fans who watched that offense all year believe he was responsible for some of that poor showing, I would defer to them.

 

But nah I'm not holding Brian Daboll and Andy Reid to the same standards. And I shouldn't need to explain why.

 

10 minutes ago, FireChans said:

You also completely changed the question. I never said Colt would do better 

 

I don't know how you can make a claim like "Colt McCoy today performed better than Mahomes did in the Super Bowl" when the context of their situation was so different. Colt McCoy didn't have no running game and a jailbreak pass rush in his face on just about every play.

 

This is my whole point. QB performance is context driven. I believe Allen today was in the same situation that Mahomes was in for the Super Bowl. If you want to dig into your opinion so hard that you're willing to argue Mahomes didn't play well in the Super Bowl, that's your right, but just about everyone else who watched that games knows Mahomes couldn't have really done anything different. And I suspect some Bills fans who did not blame Mahomes for the Super Bowl are still finding a way to blame Allen for the offense's performance today.

[Scott7975]

Josh wasn't that good today but I suspect he was pretty rattled from the pressure.  Josh and Diggs are the only two on offense that showed up.

[FireChans]

6 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Andy Reid is a generational play caller. Brian Daboll has historically been the OC of bad offenses. He found success for the first time in his career with Josh Allen as his QB. I don't believe that's a coincidence.

 

I didn't personally see anything in the Super Bowl that I blamed on Andy Reid. If Chiefs fans who watched that offense all year believe he was responsible for some of that poor showing, I would defer to them.

 

But nah I'm not holding Brian Daboll and Andy Reid to the same standards. And I shouldn't need to explain why.

 

 

I don't know how you can make a claim like "Colt McCoy today performed better than Mahomes did in the Super Bowl" when the context of their situation was so different. Colt McCoy didn't have no running game and a jailbreak pass rush in his face on just about every play.

 

This is my whole point. QB performance is context driven. I believe Allen today was in the same situation that Mahomes was in for the Super Bowl. If you want to dig into your opinion so hard that you're willing to argue Mahomes didn't play well in the Super Bowl, that's your right, but just about everyone else who watched that games knows Mahomes couldn't have really done anything different. And I suspect some Bills fans who did not blame Mahomes for the Super Bowl are still finding a way to blame Allen for the offense's performance today.

Wow, it’s almost like if the entire team plays like dog crap, the OC can’t really do much. 
 

This is a shocking development.

 

Point out all the folks talking about how great Mahomes was in the Super Bowl. 

Edited November 8, 2021 by FireChans

[BADOLBILZ]

3 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Both interceptions were colossally dumb decisions where there was no need to press.  Both fumbles were on botched plays were better situational football and following the play design avoids disaster.

 

No one played well today.  But Allen was atrocious in the second half and they couldn’t overcome it.

 

When much of the rest of the offense head wasn't in the game........he eventually totally lost his composure.

 

He's been pretty good about keeping his sh*t together when things aren't going well the past season and a half but today was not one of those days.

 

 

[Mojo44]

Even with the problems with the offensive line and the penalties, Josh was bad today……..and he knows it 

[HappyDays]

3 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Point out all the folks talking about how great Mahomes was in the Super Bowl. 

 

But this isn't what I said. In fact I could take my OP and apply it exactly to Mahomes's performance in the Super Bowl. It isn't that Mahomes or Allen performed well; both were put in impossible situations and performed to the best of their ability. Performing well enough to win was not really possible in either situation. I'll dock Allen for the two careless interceptions, which Mahomes did not do in the Super Bowl. But I believe the o-line performance today mirrored the Chiefs o-line performance in the Super Bowl. And however a fan feels about one they should feel about the other.

[ShakAttack]

Yeah he’s an MVP candidate needs to manufacture points  with the game on the line…..

 

but what do you do when he is doing just that at the most important part of the game and Gabe Davis drops a pass that would’ve put us into chip shot FG range at the MINIMUM.

 

of all the things that went wrong, that’s the one that sticks with me. I personally think Allen did everything he could when it was all on the line…

 

…but everything that could go wrong today, did go wrong, and that was no exception

[FireChans]

2 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

But this isn't what I said. In fact I could take my OP and apply it exactly to Mahomes's performance in the Super Bowl. It isn't that Mahomes or Allen performed well; both were put in impossible situations and performed to the best of their ability. Performing well enough to win was not really possible in either situation. I'll dock Allen for the two careless interceptions, which Mahomes did not do in the Super Bowl. But I believe the o-line performance today mirrored the Chiefs o-line performance in the Super Bowl. And however a fan feels about one they should feel about the other.

I thought Mahomes played bad in the Super Bowl. His OL also played bad, but he got skittish and played bad. I don’t blame Andy Reid for the players playing bad.

 

I think Josh Allen played bad today. His OL also played bad, but he got skittish and played bad. I don’t blame Brian Daboll for the players playing bad.

 

EZ PEASY 

[TheBrownBear]

Think about his best plays today in the second half.  They were basically miracle throws under extreme duress that hardly anyone could have made.  He didn't stand a chance today.  I agree that most QBs would have been knocked unconscious or thrown a couple of extra picks (or just turtled and get sacked 8 times).  He wasn't good, but no one would have looked good today with the way the line was dominated and the receivers blanketed.

[benderbender]

Josh tried but, as I'm sure people have pointed out:

• He wouldn't take 5-7 free yards by running when he could take a lower percentage shot down field
• He took sacks in multiple situations where losing yards took us out of FG range
• Fumbled multiple times 
• Two uncontested INTs
• Didn't take when the defense gave and played cool

Now I understand that he couldn't trust his OL, his OC gave him little to work with, and the drops were catastrophic. But we need to come to terms with the fact that this IS Josh Allen. He will make amazing throws, angry run for first downs, and get the defense to jump occasionally. However he will never take profits, hold the ball securely, or throw the ball away without intentional grounding. There's apparently no coaching it out of him, we have to live with it. And I'll take him over all the Fitzpatricks, Tyrods, and Trent Edwards.

 

 

[brianb386]

Allen is our guy, and I have been 100% in on him for quite a while now. It is going to take more than this game for me to question if he is elite, but he did not play well today. I agree he had a lot going against him, but he had a bad game. I fully expect this to be an outlier, I think he will bounce back fine.

[FireChans]

3 minutes ago, brianb386 said:

Allen is our guy, and I have been 100% in on him for quite a while now. It is going to take more than this game for me to question if he is elite, but he did not play well today. I agree he had a lot going against him, but he had a bad game. I fully expect this to be an outlier, I think he will bounce back fine.

Thank you. Allen is a great QB. You don’t lose your Bills fan card if you admit he played bad today.

[LEBills]

Like all games, it’s a team loss. 
 

Certainly the offense was the bigger issue than the defense but they had their fair share of (questionable) penalties too. Now the play calling was awful, and Josh had no time to throw without someone in his face. This made Josh press to create something and it led to him having three turnovers. Without those turnovers we probably win. Without constant pressure on Josh we probably win. If we could run the ball at all to punish the Jags for the defensive schemes they were throwing at us, we probably win.

 

Im about as big a Josh fan as their is but his play was a big reason for the loss today. But he is also the reason we have won so much recently. So it will be ok, I still trust Josh and the Bills to get things right going forward.

[transplantbillsfan]

Tim Graham agrees with you

https://theathletic.com/2941256/2021/11/07/graham-josh-allen-isnt-to-blame-for-the-bills-ghastly-performance-in-jacksonville?source=user-shared-article

But the Bills lost 9-6 to the Jaguars not because of Josh Allen.

 

Yes, he gave away the ball three — almost four — times in the second half. Yes, he posted a 62.7 passer rating. Yes, it was against a laughingstock opponent.

 

“Played like *****,” Allen said hoarsely. “Excuse my language, but that starts with me. So I’ve got to be better for this team.”

 

Taking the heat is what a leader does, but Allen surviving every offensive snap was an accomplishment worthy of consideration, a true feat MVP voters won’t see without looking deeper than his lousy stat line.

 

Some are saying Allen reverted to the reckless “hero ball” ways common through his first couple of seasons.

 

Fact is, Allen had little choice but to try it himself. He wasn’t getting much help.

Edited November 8, 2021 by transplantbillsfan

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

Yeah he was hard to block had a sack and int and fumble recovery. Deserves lots of credit unfortunately 

Edited November 8, 2021 by Over 29 years of fanhood