Alec Baldwin accidentally kills movie crew member (real bullet accidentally put in prop gun)

[Bill from NYC]

49 minutes ago, johndhall1 said:

 

Firearms Safety 101. Every gun is loaded until YOU confirm that it's not. Baldwin should absolutely be charged

Safety 102:  There is NO reason to play around with guns, even if they are unloaded. Not 1.

 

Edited October 23, 2021 by Bill from NYC

[4merper4mer]

2 hours ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

I wonder if someone set up Alec Baldwin.

 

He's definitely made enemies...

 

Someone/entity had to set him up.

 

The law enforcement establishment community would have the ability to do this, don't they regulate this stuff?

Maybe they were setting up the cinematographer.  He seems to have been slightly more impacted than Baldwin although I’m not diminishing poor Alec’s plight.  Or maybe this was simply a highly dysfunctional project.

Edited October 23, 2021 by 4merper4mer

[Irv]

Sounds like he lost it again and went on a enraged shooting spree, firing at anything that moved.  How many guns did he use?  Did he re-load?  This is crazy. 

[T&C]

56 minutes ago, Irv said:

Sounds like he lost it again and went on a enraged shooting spree, firing at anything that moved.  How many guns did he use?  Did he re-load?  This is crazy. 

Lol... say what?

[Hapless Bills Fan]

19 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

On the contrary, I find this unfathomable that it could ever happen even once.

 

The only way this is possible is utter stupidity or inattention to detail.

 

If proper procedures are followed, it should be IMPOSSIBLE to shoot someone on a movie set with a prop gun.

 

(I probably sound like a gun nut.  I don't own any firearms, but I have a huge interest in military history and as a general rule, soldiers don't kill each other by "accident," despite everyone having live firearms all over the place.)

 

As Jesse Ventura (ex-Navy frogman, precursor to the SEALs, with combat duty in 'Nam) said in reaction to Dick Cheney shooting his buddy in the face, "There is no such thing as an 'accident'.  If you do this sort of thing it's because you don't know what the hell you are doing." 

 

EDIT:  I don't place blame at Baldwin's feet; it's with whoever is in charge of the guns on set, obviously.  

 

 

Preach.  I own firearms.  I like to shoot.  I'd like to own more firearms.  I don't care if people think I'm a gun nut.  And I agree with you completely. 

 

There are proper procedures for handling guns and munitions and if they are followed, this ***** doesn't happen.

 

19 hours ago, Mark Vader said:

I believe that stems from a lot of people claiming that Cheney intentionally shot his friend, because he wanted to murder him.

Despite there being no proof of such a thing, rather just a bunch of people who hate Cheney, and them wanting that to be true.

 

Such a tragic thing to have happen. May God be with the family of this poor woman.

 

No, it really doesn't.  I wouldn't make that claim. 

 

My claim is that "there are no accidents" (or vanishingly few) when it comes to guns.

 

If proper gun safety procedures are followed, Cheney doesn't shoot his friend, Brandon Lee is still alive, and so is this poor unfortunate woman.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Preach.  I own firearms.  I like to shoot.  I'd like to own more firearms.  I don't care if people think I'm a gun nut.  And I agree with you completely. 

Note to self: Not the moderator to piss off. 🤔

[RaoulDuke79]

Can someone explain movie lingo to me. I read that a crew member told Baldwin it was a "cold" gun when he handed it to him. Does a cold gun mean it has no rounds in it or dummy rounds in it. It would seem to me that it should go without saying that any firearm on a movie set should be a "cold" gun if it's referring to the type of rounds.

Edited October 23, 2021 by RaoulDuke79

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 hours ago, johndhall1 said:

 

Firearms Safety 101. Every gun is loaded until YOU confirm that it's not. Baldwin should absolutely be charged

 

Absolutely.  And see the link above about not being the first time there were problems on this set.

https://news.yahoo.com/alec-baldwin-rust-camera-crew-193409810.html

Quote

Baldwin's stunt double accidentally fired two rounds Saturday after being told that the gun was "cold" — lingo for a weapon that doesn't have any ammunition, including blanks — two crew members who witnessed the episode told the Los Angeles Times.

 

"There should have been an investigation into what happened," a crew member said. "There were no safety meetings. There was no assurance that it wouldn't happen again. All they wanted to do was rush, rush, rush."

 

A colleague was so alarmed by the prop gun misfires that he sent a text message to the unit production manager. "We've now had 3 accidental discharges. This is super unsafe," according to a copy of the message reviewed by The Times.

 

Like Ventura said, if something like this happens it's not an accident, it's because you don't know what the hell you're doing with a firearm and you're not following proper procedures.

3 minutes ago, RaoulDuke79 said:

Can someone explain movie lingo to me. I read that a crew member told Baldwin it was a "cold" gun when he handed it to him. Does a cold gun mean it has no rounds in it or dummy rounds in it. It would seem to me that it should go without saying that any firearm on a movie set should be a "cold" gun if it's referring to the type of rounds.

 

Apparently, not this movie set.

[Irv]

This seems like a random act of violence.  You never point a loaded gun at someone and carelessly shoot them.  What a total disregard for human life.  

[Doc]

1 hour ago, RaoulDuke79 said:

Can someone explain movie lingo to me. I read that a crew member told Baldwin it was a "cold" gun when he handed it to him. Does a cold gun mean it has no rounds in it or dummy rounds in it. It would seem to me that it should go without saying that any firearm on a movie set should be a "cold" gun if it's referring to the type of rounds.

 

Cold means blanks.  But that should be redundant since there should never be a "hot" gun on a movie set, outside of on bodyguards (if there are any). 

[RaoulDuke79]

1 minute ago, Doc said:

 

Cold means blanks.  But that should be redundant since there should never be a "hot" gun on a movie set, outside of on bodyguards (if there are any). 

Ok...Yeah, to your point there shouldn't even be the need to differentiate between a cold gun and a hot one. There should be no reason to have a hot gun on set.

[Doc]

20 minutes ago, RaoulDuke79 said:

Ok...Yeah, to your point there shouldn't even be the need to differentiate between a cold gun and a hot one. There should be no reason to have a hot gun on set.

 

Yup. 

[ExiledInIllinois]

4 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

You’re thinking it that the law enforcement community had the ability to set him up, and that someone put a live round in the gun in order to have him shoot a cinematographer?  

 

+1. What does a Hollywood type know about bullet types? 😆 

 

That's a cop thing@

[BringBackFergy]

4 hours ago, johndhall1 said:

 

Firearms Safety 101. Every gun is loaded until YOU confirm that it's not. Baldwin should absolutely be charged

I was just going to say that: Every parent or course instructor teaches: Treat every firearm (rifle, pistol, BB gun) as if it's loaded.  Once you confirm the firearm is empty, set aside and take magazine out, leave breech open. Never, ever point a gun at a human or in the vicinity of a human. Ever. Unless you are protecting yourself or your family (which I don't believe a movie set qualifies unless you're protecting the $500 salmon brunch buffet for the crew). Alec Baldwin must be an exception to the rule because, well...he's brilliant.

[\GoBillsInDallas/]

2 hours ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

Note to self: Not the moderator to piss off. 🤔

 

[Mark Vader]

3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Preach.  I own firearms.  I like to shoot.  I'd like to own more firearms.  I don't care if people think I'm a gun nut.  And I agree with you completely. 

 

There are proper procedures for handling guns and munitions and if they are followed, this ***** doesn't happen.

 

 

No, it really doesn't.  I wouldn't make that claim. 

 

My claim is that "there are no accidents" (or vanishingly few) when it comes to guns.

 

If proper gun safety procedures are followed, Cheney doesn't shoot his friend, Brandon Lee is still alive, and so is this poor unfortunate woman.

I didn't say that you specifically made that claim, but there were people who did.

[sherpa]

At a minimum, let's just make sure we don't let this crew do a movie involving tactical airplanes.

[RaoulDuke79]

On a side note, I thought one of the unions that does move props and what not was on strike. 

[LeGOATski]

7 hours ago, Just Jack said:

It seems it was not the first time on that set that a gun went off with live rounds...

 

'Rust' crew describes on-set gun safety issues and misfires days before fatal shooting

 

 

 

Well, from the article I linked above....

 

 

That's incredibly concerning if there were documented safety issues before this, which were never corrected. 

[LeGOATski]

1 hour ago, sherpa said:

At a minimum, let's just make sure we don't let this crew do a movie involving tactical airplanes.

They shouldn't be able to do any movie ever again.

 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

3 hours ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

+1. What does a Hollywood type know about bullet types? 😆 

 

That's a cop thing@

Exiled Dude, they literally go through life pretending to be something different (oddly, they pretend to be cops and awful

lot, though some don’t seem to like the real ones).  Is it so much to pretend to be someone who knows about gun safety?   
 

I’m going to take a flier on your ‘Police set up AB’ theory.   It may ultimately have legs, though I always wonder why they wouldn’t just shoot AB if they really wanted to f with him. 

56 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

They shouldn't be able to do any movie ever again.

 

I had typed something else but it occurred to me that every time Hollywood just about convinces me that guns are THE problem, they change it up and tell me it’s actually union flunky we have to worry about.  

Edited October 23, 2021 by leh-nerd skin-erd

[Irv]

What was he thinking a) hiring unqualified people to handle props, and b) firing a gun wildly at anything that moved on the set?  Honestly, what's wrong with this lunatic?  Did they take a blood sample to see if he was on heroin or cocaine?  Drunk?  Smack?     

[RaoulDuke79]

15 hours ago, Irv said:

What was he thinking a) hiring unqualified people to handle props, and b) firing a gun wildly at anything that moved on the set?  Honestly, what's wrong with this lunatic?  Did they take a blood sample to see if he was on heroin or cocaine?  Drunk?  Smack?     

Initial reports say blood sample came up negative..........for brain activity. 

Edited October 24, 2021 by RaoulDuke79

[T&C]

Love/hate/indifferent about the guy, does anyone here actually believe this guy set out to kill someone on a movie set? I'm indifferent by the way lol.

[RaoulDuke79]

2 minutes ago, T&C said:

Love/hate/indifferent about the guy, does anyone here actually believe this guy set out to kill someone on a movie set? I'm indifferent by the way lol.

I don't believe that was his intention. I do believe he's an utterly terrible person.

Edited October 23, 2021 by RaoulDuke79

[LeGOATski]

3 hours ago, RaoulDuke79 said:

I don't believe that was his intention. I do believe he's an utterly terrible person.

He might not be very likeable, but what makes him "utterly terrible?"

 

From what I've read:

- he was an alcoholic

- he fights with paparazzi 

- he doesn't like his ex-wife and subsequently his daughter for being too much like her

[RaoulDuke79]

5 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

He might not be very likeable, but what makes him "utterly terrible?"

 

From what I've read:

- he was an alcoholic

- he fights with paparazzi 

- he doesn't like his ex-wife and subsequently his daughter for being too much like her

I guess it depends what standards you hold people to. Seems like a solid pattern of being an ####### to me.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.intouchweekly.com/posts/alec-baldwins-scandals-and-arrests-see-all-his-bad-behavior/amp/

 

Edited October 24, 2021 by RaoulDuke79

[Rico]

5 minutes ago, RaoulDuke79 said:

I guess it depends what standards you hold people to. Seems like a solid pattern of being an ####### to me.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.intouchweekly.com/posts/alec-baldwins-scandals-and-arrests-see-all-his-bad-behavior/amp/

 

What a great guy.

[LeGOATski]

13 minutes ago, RaoulDuke79 said:

I guess it depends what standards you hold people to. Seems like a solid pattern of being an ####### to me.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.intouchweekly.com/posts/alec-baldwins-scandals-and-arrests-see-all-his-bad-behavior/amp/

 

There are a lot of alcoholics with anger management issues out there. He seems like your standard #######. I was curious if there was something else.

[RaoulDuke79]

1 minute ago, LeGOATski said:

There are a lot of alcoholics with anger management issues out there. He seems like your standard #######. I was curious if there was something else.

I think we're splitting hairs here between standard ####### and utterly terrible human being.. I'm sure there are thousands of people just like him, but he hasn't helped his cause with his social media antics, which are now really coming back to bite him in the ass.

[LeGOATski]

1 hour ago, RaoulDuke79 said:

I think we're splitting hairs here between standard ####### and utterly terrible human being.. I'm sure there are thousands of people just like him, but he hasn't helped his cause with his social media antics, which are now really coming back to bite him in the ass.

I doubt the irony of his social media posts is high on his list of concerns right now.

[Shamrock]

On 10/23/2021 at 12:11 PM, T&C said:

SANTA FE, N.M. (AP) — Alec Baldwin was handed a loaded weapon by an assistant director who indicated it was safe to use in the moments before the actor fatally shot a cinematographer, court records released Friday show.

 

The assistant director did not know the prop gun was loaded with live rounds, according to a search warrant filed in a Santa Fe court.

 

https://www.baynews9.com/fl/tampa/entertainment/2021/10/22/crewmembers-walked-off-baldwin-film-to-protest-working-conditions-prior-to-fatal-firearm-incident

Wouldn’t and shouldn’t the armourer be responsible for handing it over? Surely they’re in charge of weapons on set at ALL times? 

[Bill from NYC]

20 hours ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

Note to self: Not the moderator to piss off. 🤔

I could have told you that!  

19 hours ago, Irv said:

 You never point a loaded gun at someone and carelessly shoot them.  What a total disregard for human life.  

Again, this is the bottom line. There is nothing funny about guns. They were not made to be played with. Ironiic that something like this happened to this judgemental, evil p.o.s. 

Edited October 24, 2021 by Bill from NYC

[NoSaint]

15 hours ago, T&C said:

Love/hate/indifferent about the guy, does anyone here actually believe this guy set out to kill someone on a movie set? I'm indifferent by the way lol.

no.

 

Nor do I think a drunk driver does.

 

And when they had multiple mishaps with firearms that only happen if flaunting the rules, proceed to remove the crew for their safety concerns, not regroup and implement proper protocol, and then end up killing someone as a result of continuing to ignore that protocol…. 
 

intent starts to become secondary to reckless disregard for safety. I don’t think he intended to kill anybody but I don’t think he intended to keep them safe either.

5 hours ago, Shamrock said:

Wouldn’t and shouldn’t the armourer be responsible for handing it over? Surely they’re in charge of weapons on set at ALL times? 

indeed. It should’ve been on their body and they should’ve brought it on scene. The early reports that the AD grabbed it off a table and handed it over without checking are not good.

 

everyone in a risk management role on site deserves to be ruined by this if the early reports are accurate.

[Bill from NYC]

8 hours ago, LeGOATski said:

I doubt the irony of his social media posts is high on his list of concerns right now.

Agred. I am all but certain his main (if not only) concerns are:

1) Not going to jail.

2) Getting sued.

3) Will his career be effected?

 

That said, have you seen his tweets about police officers taking innocent lives? These comments, calling numerous people "fa^^*ts," his evil tirade against his daughter, and of course HIS shooting will combine to follow him forever, although he probably won't care because he is an evil scumbag.

[Irv]

29 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

Agred. I am all but certain his main (if not only) concerns are:

1) Not going to jail.

2) Getting sued.

3) Will his career be effected?

 

That said, have you seen his tweets about police officers taking innocent lives? These comments, calling numerous people "fa^^*ts," his evil tirade against his daughter, and of course HIS shooting will combine to follow him forever, although he probably won't care because he is an evil scumbag.

 

I agree with this.  His tweet says it all.  Carefully worded by a lawyer.  Bottom line is, don't wildly and carelessly spray multiple bullets at people like you're handling a toy.  Maybe it wasn't an accident given the high number of rounds fired.  I read somehere that he may have re-loaded twice.  What an outrage.    

[Rico]

47 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

Agred. I am all but certain his main (if not only) concerns are:

1) Not going to jail.

2) Getting sued.

3) Will his career be effected?

 

That said, have you seen his tweets about police officers taking innocent lives? These comments, calling numerous people "fa^^*ts," his evil tirade against his daughter, and of course HIS shooting will combine to follow him forever, although he probably won't care because he is an evil scumbag.

He was the producer. He’s getting sued BIG time, and he will lose BIG time.  

[Irv]

8 minutes ago, Rico said:

He was the producer. He’s getting sued BIG time, and he will lose BIG time. 

Why in God’s name would you need an AR-15 on the set of Western?   I don’t get it. 

[Rico]

Let’s see: if Internet estimates are correct, Alec Baldwin is worth $60M & Jon Gruden is worth $30M. 
 

Neither one may ever be employed again.

 

After Chucky sues the NFL and the family sues Baldwin, their net worth may be pretty close to equal.  

[Just Jack]

22 minutes ago, Irv said:

Why in God’s name would you need an AR-15 on the set of Western?   I don’t get it. 

 

Maybe it's a time traveling western, someone from the future came back in a DeLorean and "accidently" left the AR behind. 

 

 

1 hour ago, NoSaint said:

The early reports that the AD grabbed it off a table and handed it over without checking are not good.

 

Based off this article, I think the end result will be all the blame goes on the AD...

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/rust-assistant-director-had-history-unsafe-practices-prop-maker-says-n1282226

Edited October 24, 2021 by Just Jack