The Wiz Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 3 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: So could the Cleveland Baseball team have salvaged the name "Indians" if they changed mascots to a yogi? Well if you wanted to be all PC, yes the mascot and logo was offensive, the name, no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said: Gandhi 😁 Gandhi's dandy but liquor's quicker. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDD Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 Didn't read four pages so sorry if this has been posted. However, if you want to see how to honor Native American culture...look up what Florida State did in the late 70's with the Seminole Nation. It's the path to actually honor them, not some bumble farg white person attempt to connect millionaires playing a sport with a culture that has thousands of years of survival and history behind it. 1 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 Just now, Warcodered said: Buffalo Bison would actually work but that's a local minor league baseball team right? Yeah... Bison would make so much more sense, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beach Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 4 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: My wife was wondering why they're called the "Bills" last night. I explained Buffalo Bill Cody. It's easily one of the weirdest sports team names. Like naming a team the "Jeffs" Amherst Lord Jeffs! they have moved on from they Jeffs sadly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, The Wiz said: Well if you wanted to be all PC, yes the mascot and logo was offensive, the name, no. The name absolutely. Indians are from India. They were possibly offending two different groups of people at the same time... it's pretty ***** amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 1 minute ago, LeGOATski said: Yeah... Bison would make so much more sense, though. We could always reuse our defunct roller hockey teams name Buffalo Stampede Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said: I know plenty of native Americans who liked the name Washington Redskins because they thought it honored them .. and they were glad to be represented in the NFL I know a guy who is black. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 Just now, Beerball said: I know a guy who is black. You know it's funnier the first time somebody said it in the thread 😁✌️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 Just now, Beerball said: I know a guy who is black. But is he BLACK black or just black? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 Just now, The Wiz said: We could always reuse our defunct roller hockey teams name Buffalo Stampede Pretty much anything related to buffalo or bison would make more sense. Although, it would all sound weird and lose it's charm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: You know it's funnier the first time somebody said it in the thread 😁✌️ I don't plan to read through 5 pages of idiocy. It was new to me dammit. Edited October 11, 2021 by Beerball 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 Just now, Beerball said: I don't plan to read through 5 pages of idocy. 🍻 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 Just now, LeGOATski said: Pretty much anything related to buffalo or bison would make more sense. Although, it would all sound weird and lose it's charm. Anything would sound weird after having the name for so long. Also, nice update on the avatar, just noticed it. 1 minute ago, Beerball said: I don't plan to read through 5 pages of idiocy. you're missing out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 1 minute ago, LeGOATski said: Pretty much anything related to buffalo or bison would make more sense. Although, it would all sound weird and lose it's charm. Do like Bison though, it's a pretty cool animal that's pretty unique to North America. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 All of this is utter crap. The team names that are being referenced were NOT adopted by opponents as a disparaging symbol of anything or anyone! They were all chosen as a sign of respect for adopted name, generally referring to the heroics and bravery of the culture. How this got flipped on its head is beyond me. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said: All of this is utter crap. The team names that are being referenced were NOT adopted by opponents as a disparaging symbol of anything or anyone! They were all chosen as a sign of respect for adopted name, generally referring to the heroics and bravery of the culture. How this got flipped on its head is beyond me. To the victors go the spoils, amirite? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said: All of this is utter crap. The team names that are being referenced were NOT adopted by opponents as a disparaging symbol of anything or anyone! They were all chosen as a sign of respect for adopted name, generally referring to the heroics and bravery of the culture. How this got flipped on its head is beyond me. It only makes sense though, if I name my team "the Polish" and I'm not even Polish (even if my wife is Polish and I love Polish people) I should expect Polish people to express some thoughts... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 3 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: All of this is utter crap. The team names that are being referenced were NOT adopted by opponents as a disparaging symbol of anything or anyone! They were all chosen as a sign of respect for adopted name, generally referring to the heroics and bravery of the culture. How this got flipped on its head is beyond me. To0 many people have nothing better to do with their lives other than piss and moan about stuff they never cared about in the first place. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: Pretty much anything related to buffalo or bison would make more sense. Although, it would all sound weird and lose it's charm. When the run game was king, maybe. With today’s modern NFL designed around the pass, the lack of the digitus pollex pretty much guarantees a bison drafted in the first 4 rounds is a huge mistake. Maybe bring in one in on a late round flyer, kick the hooves and whatnot. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: It only makes sense though, if I name my team "the Polish" and I'm not even Polish (even if my wife is Polish and I love Polish people) I should expect Polish people to express some thoughts... 100% Polish. Love it. Call us the Buffalo Polacks for all I care. Our new team logo is a guy holding a pussywillow branch. Edited October 11, 2021 by The Wiz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 1 minute ago, The Wiz said: To0 many people have nothing better to do with their lives other than piss and moan about stuff they never cared about in the first place. At some point the people need to speak up, or else we'd be doing the same stupid stuff for eternity. Culture's constantly evolve. This is just part of it. (Unless you're an Amazonian culture cut off from the rest of the world and you're still practicing cannibalism.) 2 minutes ago, The Wiz said: 100% Polish. Love it. Call us the Buffalo Polacks for all I care. Our new team logo is a guy holding a pussywillow branch. See?! You're already trying to change my team name! It's "The Polish" goddammit!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notwoz Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 19 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said: The Seminole tribe helped create the FSU chant, chop and mascot design. The fact that others comment on it without any clue of it's origin is pretty sad. Can you point us to a document that supports your claim? 4 minutes ago, The Wiz said: 100% Polish. Love it. Call us the Buffalo Polacks for all I care. Our new team logo is a guy holding a pussywillow branch. How about if we call them the Dumb Polacks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: At some point the people need to speak up, or else we'd be doing the same stupid stuff for eternity. Culture's constantly evolve. This is just part of it. (Unless you're an Amazonian culture cut off from the rest of the world and you're still practicing cannibalism.) Sometimes I wish I was. I get it with the evolution of culture but there's the tipping point of either some things are offensive or everything is offense. 8 minutes ago, notwoz said: Can you point us to a document that supports your claim? How about if we call them the Dumb Polacks As a dumb polack, I welcome our teams new name change. Because it doesn't offend me. Also would have made for great game recap during the drought years. Chris Berman voice: well those dumb Polacks are at it again! Here they are in the 4th qtr with a 2 td lead and what happens, the Dumb Polacks throw 3 ints in a row and the Irish drunks take the game and ice it with a fresh pint of Guinness. Edited October 12, 2021 by The Wiz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 7 minutes ago, The Wiz said: Quote LeGOATski said: It only makes sense though, if I name my team "the Polish" and I'm not even Polish (even if my wife is Polish and I love Polish people) I should expect Polish people to express some thoughts 100% Polish. Love it. Call us the Buffalo Polacks for all I care. Our new team logo is a guy holding a pussywillow branch. What’s all the fuss about? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 4 minutes ago, notwoz said: Can you point us to a document that supports your claim? How about if we call them the Dumb Polacks https://unicomm.fsu.edu/messages/relationship-seminole-tribe-florida/faqs/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 7 minutes ago, notwoz said: How about if we call them the Dumb Polacks That would be redundant. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 3 minutes ago, Beerball said: That would be redundant. I want to like this more that once. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Just now, The Wiz said: I want to like this more that once. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notwoz Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 6 minutes ago, The Wiz said: Sometimes I wish I was. I get it with the evolution of culture but there's the tipping point of either some things are offensive or everything is offense. As a dumb polack, I welcome our teams new name change. Because it doesn't offend me. Also would have made for great game recap during the drought years. Well it offends me MoFo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, notwoz said: Well it offends me MoFo. Well that's your problem and not mine so you deal with it how you want. Also the fact that you are getting offended by a non-realistic hypothetical is a whole other issue. Edited October 12, 2021 by The Wiz 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 I recall about 25 years ago, on a Saturday afternoon in October watched an SU Florida St game, heard the chant, Saturday and Sunday night baseball playoff game in Atlanta, same chant, Monday the Bills played the Chiefs in KC chant again. My wife finally says to me, "Does every team do this?" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryPinC Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 2 hours ago, Just in Atlanta said: Dictionary.com: RACIST: "a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human racial groups determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to dominate others or that a particular racial group is inferior to the others." Yeah. That's the old definition. The new definition is any racist, prejudiced or discriminatory thoughts, words or actions. I still can't believe the dictionaries haven't updated. I prefer the old definitions, but it's not reality. Everything is rolled into one, whether we like it or not. 53 minutes ago, The Wiz said: 100% Polish. Love it. Call us the Buffalo Polacks for all I care. Our new team logo is a guy holding a pussywillow branch. With big ears and at least calf-high white socks. 100% Polish here also! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 3 hours ago, Rico said: Stupid and racist. Stupid yeah! 6 minutes ago, GaryPinC said: Yeah. That's the old definition. The new definition is any racist, prejudiced or discriminatory thoughts, words or actions. I still can't believe the dictionaries haven't updated. I prefer the old definitions, but it's not reality. Everything is rolled into one, whether we like it or not. With big ears and at least calf-high white socks. 100% Polish here also! Everything is racist these days. Maybe is time for the PPP move. Who really cares. Cant we just be kind to one another and have a little fun and not get so butthurt? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern Bills Fan Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 I just got here. I thought we meant the “let’s go Brandon” chant. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 54 minutes ago, The Wiz said: Sometimes I wish I was. I get it with the evolution of culture but there's the tipping point of either some things are offensive or everything is offense. It will always end at "some things are offensive." Just like we've seen with sports team names. Redskins and Indians changed. Chiefs and Braves stay the same. As it should be. But you're not going to progress as a group without some stepping over the line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 I always found the "Tomahawk Chop" to be pretty cool when the entire stadium is doing it in Tallahassee. As far as I know, they invented it. Maybe that's wrong. I find it stupid when they copy it in KC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beach Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 gtg, every thread has someone offended on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcjeff215 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, LeGOATski said: My wife was wondering why they're called the "Bills" last night. I explained Buffalo Bill Cody. It's easily one of the weirdest sports team names. Like naming a team the "Jeffs" I will be starting a petition to rename the Bills to “the Jeffs” immediately. Best idea I’ve seen this evening at least. Edited October 12, 2021 by mcjeff215 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4_kidd_4 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 3 hours ago, Rico said: Stupid and racist. The whole package is some next level cringe. They look and sound like idiots. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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