Highmark Stadium now requiring vaccination for entry

[Governor]

6 hours ago, SDS said:

lol. Wat?

You can actually be sued or face charges if you have hepatitis and get dental work, hide it from a partner, etc. They even make you register with the state, just like a Covid vaccine.

[Agent 91]

7 hours ago, Logic said:

It felt like I could count on just two hands the number of masks I saw all day, from the time I walked in to the stadium to the time I walked out. This was the case despite the very clearly posted -- and oft repeated over the PA system -- stadium rule on masks in common areas.

For those who are angry about the new vax requirement, I have a pretty clear idea who they can thank for it...

True

Polancarz doesn't even really want fans in the stands. He warned on Friday in a press conference he would be watching. No one cared

[Buffalo716]

11 minutes ago, Governor said:

You can actually be sued or face charges if you have hepatitis and get dental work, hide it from a partner, etc. They even make you register with the state, just like a Covid vaccine.

Kind of why I mentioned it

 

Like they're not asking for proof of vac for other serious stuff.. I get my argument is not realistic

 

But a lot of other contagious people with serious illnesses could be there and they're not checking their vac status

Edited September 15, 2021 by Buffalo716

[stevestojan]

13 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Couldn't find quickly, but looks pretty large capacity from this photo:

https://www.atptour.com/en/news/us-open-2021-full-capacity

And that’s just the main court in Arthur Ashe stadium. There were matches in at least 3-4 courts outside at the same time (smaller seating capacity of course). And there’s an area in the center of the whole thing that has tons of bars, stores, restaurants, etc. 

 

I think his point was that the crowd getting in when I went to the Open would have been significantly smaller than a Bills game. I don’t think it was. 

[Mikie2times]

7 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I don't think it's a rule, so I think the Bills/County do have a say. 

Here's a summary of the US plan from a source I consider trustworthy (click to embiggen):

 

It just says that large event venues are URGED to require proof of vaccination, it doesn't say they're required to require them (that's ponderous, but you get me I hope)

 

Someone pointed out that NY just enacted a ruling Sept 6 that Covid is an airborne disease for which businesses are required to provide a transmission prevention plan.  I think it might be a reasonable guess that Erie County/Highmark Stadium quickly came up with a plan involving "mask indoors/unvaccinated mask".

 

Well, Sept 12 was pretty strong proof that wasn't going to work.  So, Next Plan....

This is a direct copy and paste from whitehouse.gov, I forgot it said "negative test" I just remembered reading it. Appreciate the response. Thank you. 

 

Calling on Large Entertainment Venues to Require Proof of Vaccination or Testing for Entry

The President’s plan calls on entertainment venues like sports arenas, large concert halls, and other venues where large groups of people gather to require that their patrons be vaccinated or show a negative test for entry.

[PolishDave]

5 minutes ago, billsfanmiamioh said:

Right, and there are mountains of data on those vaccines which actually went through the normal approval process. Why is it so crazy for people to simply have some reservations about something that is essentially a new mode of action and was fast tracked? Especially if they are not in the generally accepted at risk groups? 

Its not crazy.    It is a dumb to whine about being treated unfairly just because you won't do something your country has asked you to do for the good of the country.

 

You can choose not to get vaxed.  It's your right.   But you have to accept the consequences of that decision just as the vaccinated people have to accept the consequences of choosing to get vaccinated.

[Agent 91]

7 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Bills clearly trying to reduce the crowd so josh is less hyped up 

I was gonna say something to this effect but I decided to refrain due to the climate of the chat lol

[Jauronimo]

2 minutes ago, billsfanmiamioh said:

Right, and there are mountains of data on those vaccines which actually went through the normal approval process. Why is it so crazy for people to simply have some reservations about something that is essentially a new mode of action and was fast tracked? Especially if they are not in the generally accepted at risk groups? 

There has been over a year of data now and billions of vaccines administered.  What specific concerns based on fact still remain that hold any water?   Doubt for the sake of doubt isn't a valid argument.  Its a convenient cover for other views which are not widely embraced for a multitude of reasons.

 

People still want 50 years of empirical data before taking the Covid vaccine but they'll gobble down the brand new thing to get hard on or treat restless leg syndrome. 

[BringBackFergy]

39 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

The perfect pizza has pineapple, bacon, garlic, and jalapenos.

You have weird customs in your country. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

14 minutes ago, billsfanmiamioh said:

Right, and there are mountains of data on those vaccines which actually went through the normal approval process. Why is it so crazy for people to simply have some reservations about something that is essentially a new mode of action and was fast tracked? Especially if they are not in the generally accepted at risk groups? 

 

I think it is natural to have reservations, and I think the CDC has done a poor job of communication.  But there are mountains of misinformation and that is a problem.  The "generally accepted risk groups" notion portrays vaccination as a "me only" choice rather than a societal benefit.  And that's all I'll say here - not the place for a general debate.

 

4 minutes ago, Agent 91 said:

I was gonna say something to this effect but I decided to refrain due to the climate of the chat lol

 

You wouldn't have been the 3rd or the 4th to make that quip here

[Jauronimo]

6 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Kind of why I mentioned it

 

Like they're not testing for other serious stuff.. I get my argument is not realistic

 

But a lot of other contagious people with serious illnesses could be there and they're not checking them

Because after a century of mandatory vaccination we no longer need to fear outbreaks of measles and hepatitis.   Every school child or foreign national attending American university gets those vaccines.  Its why we enjoy the highest vaccination rate in the world.  In other words, we're pretty sure everyone walking in the door is not contagious with hepatitis.

[Governor]

9 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Kind of why I mentioned it

 

Like they're not testing for other serious stuff.. I get my argument is not realistic

 

But a lot of other contagious people with serious illnesses could be there and they're not checking them

Well, you can’t catch those other things like Covid. I think hepatitis is blood to blood, and HIV…….

 

But those people are actually registered by the state as having those diseases. You get put on a list like a sex offender. It happened to an old classmate of mine.

Edited September 15, 2021 by Governor

[Buffalo716]

1 minute ago, Governor said:

Well, you can’t catch those other things like Covid. I think hepatitis is blood to blood, and HIV…….

 

But those people are actually registered by the state as having those diseases. You get out on a list like a sex offender. It happened to an old classmate of mine.

You could definitely catch hepatitis other ways 

 

A restaurant in cheektowaga was shut down because a kitchen worker gave customers hepatitis 

 

I was just making a point how they're not checking other vaccination statuses of deadly stuff

Edited September 15, 2021 by Buffalo716

[Hapless Bills Fan]

5 minutes ago, KzooMike said:

This is a direct copy and paste from whitehouse.gov, I forgot it said "negative test" I just remembered reading it. Appreciate the response. Thank you. 

 

Calling on Large Entertainment Venues to Require Proof of Vaccination or Testing for Entry

The President’s plan calls on entertainment venues like sports arenas, large concert halls, and other venues where large groups of people gather to require that their patrons be vaccinated or show a negative test for entry.

 

OK, so the US plan calls for an option Erie County decided not to take. Would love to be a fly on the wall and understand what discussions were behind that.  I"m not going to assume not public health based.   But it's interesting.

 

[Agent 91]

1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I think it is natural to have reservations, and I think the CDC has done a poor job of communication.  But there are mountains of misinformation and that is a problem.  The "generally accepted risk groups" notion portrays vaccination as a "me only" choice rather than a societal benefit.  And that's all I'll say here - not the place for a general debate.

 

 

You wouldn't have been the 3rd or the 4th to make that quip here

Thats exactly my issue. The communication worries me. I just want to know about boosters and things like that. But like i said the main concern is my son. I go to the gym and go to... for now... UB games. Mask up and all that. Also working at the airport the whole 2 and under dont need a mask. I would never.  Its all just crazy to me.

[Governor]

Just now, Buffalo716 said:

You could definitely catch hepatitis other ways 

 

A restaurant in cheektowaga was shut down because a kitchen worker gave customers hepatitis

I think that’s hepatitis B. 

[Buffalo716]

2 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

Because after a century of mandatory vaccination we no longer need to fear outbreaks of measles and hepatitis.   Every school child or foreign national attending American university gets those vaccines.  Its why we enjoy the highest vaccination rate in the world.  In other words, we're pretty sure everyone walking in the door is not contagious with hepatitis.

Very true 

 

But 44 out of 50 states allow exemptions for these vaccines 

 

So if you live in a red State like Texas or Louisiana.. statistically there's absolutely people who have not gotten the measles or polio vaccine

 

Because there's a lot of nutters who use those exemptions

[Buffalo716]

2 minutes ago, Governor said:

I think that’s hepatitis B. 

Abcz

 

I just hear hepatitis

 

[Captain Caveman]

11 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

OK, so the US plan calls for an option Erie County decided not to take. Would love to be a fly on the wall and understand what discussions were behind that.  I"m not going to assume not public health based.   But it's interesting.

 

 

It wouldn't surprise me if it's just a matter of trying to land on a policy they can implement in such a short time frame.  The more moving parts (trying to figure out which tests, how to get them validated, how soon before the game) the more complicated it is.  It's much simpler to just offer the vaccination option, and if that convinces a few hundred or thousand people to get vaccinated then it's a public health bonus.

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

Just now, Buffalo716 said:

You could definitely catch hepatitis other ways 

 

A restaurant in cheektowaga was shut down because a kitchen worker gave customers hepatitis

 

You're both right.

 

There are 5 different Hepatitis viruses A, B, C, D, and E. 

 

Hepatitis A and E are passed through contamination, usually fecal, of food or water.  "A" is probably what your Cheektowaga worker had.

Hepatitis B and C are passed through blood or body fluids.  "D" coinfects along with B.

 

There's a very effective vaccine to prevent Hepatitis A, and in a number of counties in MO, all food service workers are required to be immunized for Hep A in order to be employed in that field.  I'm actually kind of surprised Erie County doesn't require it.

 

There's a very effective vaccine to prevent Hepatitis B also, and most hospitals and employers require employees who work with blood or OPIM (other infectious materials) to be vaccinated.  This is "risk management" because Hep B becomes a chronic infection leading to liver failure or liver cancer in about 6% of infected adults, which would kick insurance claims through the roof.  Now there's a safe recombinant vaccine and it's routinely given to infants (90% of infected infants develop chronic infection).  But when the first vaccine came out, it was a gut-check because the virus was isolated from the plasma of Hep B infected humans then purified and inactivated.  Those Hep B infected humans were often co-infected with HIV.  We had to really be persuaded to trust the science and trust the process.  Some people quit.  I took 5 injections to seroconvert.

[Buffalo716]

1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

You're both right.

 

There are 5 different Hepatitis viruses A, B, C, D, and E. 

 

Hepatitis A and E are passed through contamination, usually fecal, of food or water.  "A" is probably what your Cheektowaga worker had.

Hepatitis B and C are passed through blood or body fluids.  "D" coinfects along with B.

 

There's a very effective vaccine to prevent Hepatitis A, and in a number of counties in MO, all food service workers are required to be immunized for Hep A in order to be employed in that field.  I'm actually kind of surprised Erie County doesn't require it.

 

There's a very effective vaccine to prevent Hepatitis B also, and most hospitals and employers require employees who work with blood or OPIM (other infectious materials) to be vaccinated.  This is "risk management" because Hep B becomes a chronic infection leading to liver failure or liver cancer in about 6% of infected adults, which would kick insurance claims through the roof.  Now there's a safe recombinant vaccine and it's routinely given to infants (90% of infected infants develop chronic infection).  But when the first vaccine came out, it was a gut-check because the virus was isolated from the plasma of Hep B infected humans then purified and inactivated.  Those Hep B infected humans were often co-infected with HIV.  We had to really be persuaded to trust the science and trust the process.  Some people quit.  I took 5 injections to seroconvert.

So what are most people inoculated with? 

 

What type of hepatitis did I get a vaccine for as a child 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

28 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Kind of why I mentioned it

 

Like they're not testing for other serious stuff.. I get my argument is not realistic

 

But a lot of other contagious people with serious illnesses could be there and they're not checking them

 

@Buffalo716, I expect if there was a serious outbreak of these other diseases going on (TB, say) there would be testing for them for sure, or a push to vaccinate people if a vaccine exists.  And the diseases you mentioned are a lot harder to transmit. 

[ExiledInIllinois]

5 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

You're both right.

 

There are 5 different Hepatitis viruses A, B, C, D, and E. 

 

Hepatitis A and E are passed through contamination, usually fecal, of food or water.  "A" is probably what your Cheektowaga worker had.

Hepatitis B and C are passed through blood or body fluids.  "D" coinfects along with B.

 

There's a very effective vaccine to prevent Hepatitis A, and in a number of counties in MO, all food service workers are required to be immunized for Hep A in order to be employed in that field.  I'm actually kind of surprised Erie County doesn't require it.

 

There's a very effective vaccine to prevent Hepatitis B also, and most hospitals and employers require employees who work with blood or OPIM (other infectious materials) to be vaccinated.  This is "risk management" because Hep B becomes a chronic infection leading to liver failure or liver cancer in about 6% of infected adults, which would kick insurance claims through the roof.  Now there's a safe recombinant vaccine and it's routinely given to infants (90% of infected infants develop chronic infection).  But when the first vaccine came out, it was a gut-check because the virus was isolated from the plasma of Hep B infected humans then purified and inactivated.  Those Hep B infected humans were often co-infected with HIV.  We had to really be persuaded to trust the science and trust the process.  Some people quit.  I took 5 injections to seroconvert.

In 1991 when I moved here with Corps to Chicago. We all were getting Hep A Vax.  Two doses.  We had to.  Nobody blinked an eye... SEEING how we work on the ShitDitch... And believe me, 30 years ago the water was 100x worse!

Edited September 15, 2021 by ExiledInIllinois

[Weatherman]

I have no issues with Pegs enforcing this policy, it’s their right to do so.  From an ethical standpoint I don’t agree with the more stringent requirements for customers vs. employee’s.  

[Hapless Bills Fan]

7 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

So what are most people inoculated with? 

 

What type of hepatitis did I get a vaccine for as a child 

 

Almost certainly Hepatitis B. 

Almost certainly the recombinant vaccine if you were vaccinated after 1986 - no human plasma involved in that one.

 

Some colleges require or recommend Hepatitis A, and some pediatricians recommend it

[Sherlock Holmes]

6 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

So what are most people inoculated with? 

 

What type of hepatitis did I get a vaccine for as a child 

B

[Jauronimo]

22 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Very true 

 

But 44 out of 50 states allow exemptions for these vaccines 

 

So if you live in a red State like Texas or Louisiana.. statistically there's absolutely people who have not gotten the measles or polio vaccine

 

Because there's a lot of nutters who use those exemptions

Statistically, it isn't much of a concern at all if a few "nutters" are walking around while the general populace is 90% plus vaccinated.

 

Now if 50% of the population is exercising their personal freedom to die of otherwise preventable diseases and a few contagious nutters are walking around, there you have a recipe for very poor outcomes.  

[ExiledInIllinois]

When does Canadian border open up for Canadians coming into 🇺🇸?  It's soon right?

 

OR: Protecting the Canadians.  I think the 2nd home game (9/26) is the first time Canadians can cross into 🇺🇸 for leisure.   Border gonna open soon, right?

 

 

Bit of a thing to consider with the Bills. They share an international border...

[Hapless Bills Fan]

6 minutes ago, Weatherman said:

I have no issues with Pegs enforcing this policy, it’s their right to do so.  From an ethical standpoint I don’t agree with the more stringent requirements for customers vs. employee’s.  

 

Do you think the stadium workers are not being required to get the vaccine?  I agree with you if true.

 

If you mean the players, well, The Union Makes Us Strong.

 

 

[ExiledInIllinois]

3 minutes ago, Sherlock Holmes said:

B

CORRECTION:  When I started,  we got Hep B shot in 1991 @ work.  MANDATORY. Then in 2000 when I went to my BiL's wedding in Monterrey, Mexico... We got the Hep A shots.

[Sherlock Holmes]

1 minute ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

CORRECTION:  When I started,  we got Hep B shot in 1991 @ work.  MANDATORY. Then in 2000 when I went to my BiL's wedding in Monterrey, Mexico... We got the Hep A shots.

Did you enjoy the water in Mexico?

[Weatherman]

14 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Do you think the stadium workers are not being required to get the vaccine?  I agree with you if true.

 

If you mean the players, well, The Union Makes Us Strong.

 

 

I’m not sure about the stadium workers, I was referring to players and understand they are protected by a union.  Still, does not make it ethical that the only unvaccinated people allowed in the building are players.  
 

For all I know the Pegs are against this policy mandate but NYS might have them by the short hairs with verbiage in the lease agreement.

Edited September 15, 2021 by Weatherman

[ExiledInIllinois]

Just now, Sherlock Holmes said:

Did you enjoy the water in Mexico?

I asked my SiL about Montezuma's Revenge.  She said they get it too.  They just know what to drink and not to drink.  😉🤪

[JerseyBills]

Wow. I was going to go to my 3rd game this year, Nov 21 vs the Colts. 

I guess I'm going to have to sell the tix. 

 

I'm not anti vax. I'm pro vax. I'm just Anti THIS VAX

 

My antibodies have been phenomenal.  I have no reason to put an experimental drug in my body! 💯

[cgg716]

1 hour ago, Mr. Wonderful said:

I was among the first to be vaccinated in December- that's how I feel about it's importance.  HOWEVER, being vaccinated is a personal choice!!!  Mandates like this are usurping personal freedom and are not democratic.  Shame on you NY and and Terry Pegula.  I'll watch on TV.     

It’s not a mandate for one. And two, where in the annals of time have personal choices come without consequences 

[Just Jack]

16 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

When does Canadian border open up for Canadians coming into 🇺🇸?  It's soon right?

 

OR: Protecting the Canadians.  I think the 2nd home game (9/26) is the first time Canadians can cross into 🇺🇸 for leisure.   Border gonna open soon, right?

 

 

Bit of a thing to consider with the Bills. They share an international border...

 

September 21st, unless they extend it again. 

[Sherlock Holmes]

6 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

I asked my SiL about Montezuma's Revenge.  She said they get it too.  They just know what to drink and not to drink.  😉🤪

I drank some water in Juarez...thankfully I escaped without issues, although there may be every Parasite known to man and many others not, in my body now!

 

My friend wasn't so lucky he just brushed his teeth and rinsed with the tap and had Montezuma and everybody else that has ever been wronged in Mexico seeking revenge💩

[Hapless Bills Fan]

34 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:

Wow. I was going to go to my 3rd game this year, Nov 21 vs the Colts. 

I guess I'm going to have to sell the tix. 

 

I'm not anti vax. I'm pro vax. I'm just Anti THIS VAX

 

My antibodies have been phenomenal.  I have no reason to put an experimental drug in my body! 💯

 

I know it's a nit, but a) one of the vaccines is fully approved now 2) a vaccine is not a drug

 

I also live in Missouri with relatives and friends in 3 of the least vaccinated counties in the State. 

 

I know a lot of people who say exactly what you say.  Some of them caught covid and NBD, some got very sick. some when to hospital and it's "knew them" now for too many.

 

My niece is an RN and works in the ICU of a small county hospital.  She is unvaccinated, her choice.  We're terrified for her because of all the deaths of people in her age group (30-40) and her high exposure.  It would devastate her 5 children, her disabled husband, and her parents if anything happened to her.

 

I'm not trying to argue you.  Just be sure you choose on facts and not misinformation. The smartest people change their mind all the time in the face of new information. 

 

Godspeed.

[Locomark]

8 hours ago, without a drought said:

There is also half a dozen people upset about these same restrictions at Sabres games.

Putting any restrictions on Sabres games ought to keep their crowds down to about 700 per game to see that sh&$show. 

[Awwufelloff]

23 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I know it's a nit, but a) one of the vaccines is fully approved now 2) a vaccine is not a drug

 

I also live in Missouri with relatives and friends in 3 of the least vaccinated counties in the State. 

 

I know a lot of people who say exactly what you say.  Some of them caught covid and NBD, some got very sick. some when to hospital and it's "knew them" now.

My niece is an RN and works in the ICU of a small county hospital.  She is unvaccinated, her choice.  We're terrified for her because of all the deaths of people in her age group (30-40) and her high exposure.  It would devastate her 5 children, her disabled husband, and her parents if anything happened to her.

 

I'm not trying to argue you.  Just be sure you choose on facts and not misinformation. The smartest people change their mind all the time in the face of new information. 

 

Godspeed.

My buddies wife just died at 43 from covid in Florida, was not vaccinated. No preexisting, ICU for 3 weeks. Not a good time, go get vaxxed its fully approved.