McDermott, Josh/Beasley and Poyer/Hyde postgame pressers

[Hapless Bills Fan]

May be in a thread somewhere but I thought they deserved their own

Josh Allen and Beasley:

https://youtu.be/TnFKrWSF0aU

 

McD:

https://youtu.be/sTqY0lb-b0I

 

Dr Poyer and Mr Hyde:

https://youtu.be/MSVBc_Sn_Tc

 

[Rc2catch]

I’m not sure I’m ready to see an interview yet. I will wait to hear from them next week on the field 😂

[Bangarang]

I can’t believe McD’s justification for going for it on 4th and 9 is that he didn’t want to punt the ball given their field position when the alternative was a 53 yard FG attempt. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

Just now, Bangarang said:

I can’t believe McD’s justification for going for it on 4th and 9 is that he didn’t want to punt the ball given their field position when the alternative was a 53 yard FG attempt. 

How bad was the wind...that was into the wind I think 

[SCBills]

6 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

How bad was the wind...that was into the wind I think 

Omg… the wind again.  I honestly can’t handle home game wind talk again this year.  Not yet at least. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

1 minute ago, SCBills said:

Omg… the wind again.  I honestly can’t handle home game wind talk again this year.  Not yet at least. 

Haha I mean I'm sure it effects their analytics on a 50+ yard fg...going for a fg and missing is just as bad as throwing it into double coverage on 4th and 8 because you think you have a free play 🤣 it's just so easy for us to criticize with the power of hindsight...If they kicked the fg and missed we'd all be saying they should've gone for it lol 

Edited September 13, 2021 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Big Blitz]

It's not rocket science.

 

Look up the numbers.  

 

Allen vs the Blitz is awesome....I think he was at 70% in 2020 

 

Vs zone not as good but he doesn't see zone as much.  Teams can't often bring consistent pressure with just 4.  So they blitz and Allen made teams pay last year.  

 

But if you can get home quick with 4 or even 3 like Pittsburgh did or the Chiefs before them, Josh and most every single QB is going to struggle - and the Steelers secondary is excellent.

 

 

The only front 4 (especially the interior) we'll see like that is Washington and Tampa.  And both those secondaries are not as good or even close to as good as Pittsburgh.  

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

14 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:

I’m not sure I’m ready to see an interview yet. I will wait to hear from them next week on the field 😂

 

The one that’s most interesting IMO is McDermott

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

1 minute ago, Big Blitz said:

It's not rocket science.

 

Look up the numbers.  

 

Allen vs the Blitz is awesome....I think he was at 70% in 2020 

 

Vs zone not as good but he doesn't see zone as much.  Teams can't often bring consistent pressure with just 4.  So they blitz and Allen made teams pay last year.  

 

But if you can get home quick with 4 or even 3 like Pittsburgh did or the Chiefs before them, Josh and most every single QB is going to struggle - and the Steelers secondary is excellent.

 

 

The only front 4 (especially the interior) we'll see like that is Washington and Tampa.  And both those secondaries are not as good or even close to as good as Pittsburgh.  

 

I think daboll is the punching bag because of the horrible 4th down call.  Offense was sloppy all game...the plays were there...the scheme was working fine. I've probably said this 14 times in this thread because I've lost track of what threads I'm respond to 🤣 but the chiefs defensive 'performance' in the afc championship anz the game earlier in the year was nonsense.  No idea why the refs were fine with it that week and not having it in the super bowl but reverse those two officiating crews and maybe we win a shootout.  Probably not cuz our defense was dreadful but you never know 

[SCBills]

1 minute ago, Big Blitz said:

It's not rocket science.

 

Look up the numbers.  

 

Allen vs the Blitz is awesome....I think he was at 70% in 2020 

 

Vs zone not as good but he doesn't see zone as much.  Teams can't often bring consistent pressure with just 4.  So they blitz and Allen made teams pay last year.  

 

But if you can get home quick with 4 or even 3 like Pittsburgh did or the Chiefs before them, Josh and most every single QB is going to struggle - and the Steelers secondary is excellent.

 

 

The only front 4 (especially the interior) we'll see like that is Washington and Tampa.  And both those secondaries are not as good or even close to as good as Pittsburgh.  

 

Is their secondary excellent?  
 

I know we’re all wanting to crown their defense as elite, but coming into the game they were missing Tuitt, Ingram was old and they were starting a bunch of randoms in the secondary outside Haden/Fitzpatrick.  
 

They definitely looked elite, but I need to see them do this again before I chalk it up to them just having the best defense in the league. 
 

Im assuming other teams will at least attempt to be more balanced and/or protect their QB better than five matadors. 

[BillsFan130]

9 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

It's not rocket science.

 

Look up the numbers.  

 

Allen vs the Blitz is awesome....I think he was at 70% in 2020 

 

Vs zone not as good but he doesn't see zone as much.  Teams can't often bring consistent pressure with just 4.  So they blitz and Allen made teams pay last year.  

 

But if you can get home quick with 4 or even 3 like Pittsburgh did or the Chiefs before them, Josh and most every single QB is going to struggle - and the Steelers secondary is excellent.

 

 

The only front 4 (especially the interior) we'll see like that is Washington and Tampa.  And both those secondaries are not as good or even close to as good as Pittsburgh.  

 

I agree with all what you said but Pittsburgh doesn't really have a good secondary.

 

They got Haden who is descent. Fitzpatrick is excellent.

 

Outside of that, they are pretty thin.

 

The bills WRs had a lot of favourable matchups on paper

[Big Blitz]

5 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Is their secondary excellent?  
 

I know we’re all wanting to crown their defense as elite, but coming into the game they were missing Tuitt, Ingram was old and they were starting a bunch of randoms in the secondary outside Haden/Fitzpatrick.  
 

They definitely looked elite, but I need to see them do this again before I chalk it up to them just having the best defense in the league. 
 

Im assuming other teams will at least attempt to be more balanced and/or protect their QB better than five matadors. 

 

 

Yes it absolutely is they were #1 against the pass last year.  

 

Its the scheme, it's the pressure that makes a great secondary even better.   

 

This game was almost a near carbon copy vs them last year minus our oline completely collapsing -- and they had Haden back today.  He didn't play in last years game.  

 

So I'm flushing this and moving on.  

 

 

The good news is I think our defense is significantly better.  

[716er]

10 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

Yes it absolutely is they were #1 against the pass last year.  

 

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2000/opp.htm

 

In what metric? They were not in the top 5.

[Big Blitz]

3 minutes ago, 716er said:

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2000/opp.htm

 

In what metric? They were not in the top 5.

 

 

Sort passing yards against per game 

 

 

https://www.footballdb.com/stats/teamstat.html?lg=NFL&yr=2020&type=reg&cat=T&group=D&conf=&sort=passypg

 

 

194 

Edited September 13, 2021 by Big Blitz

[Rc2catch]

28 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

The one that’s most interesting IMO is McDermott

So you got me to listen to

McDermott’s. 
My takeaway was he basically just took the blame for daboll the way he worded his answers not to throw him under the bus. But I feel like he’s holding daboll responsible for this mess today. Am I the only one to hear it that way? They asked his input on some of those play calls and he dodged it by just saying it’s on him (mcd) to fix it. 

[RyanC883]

22 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

Yes it absolutely is they were #1 against the pass last year.  

 

Its the scheme, it's the pressure that makes a great secondary even better.   

 

This game was almost a near carbon copy vs them last year minus our oline completely collapsing -- and they had Haden back today.  He didn't play in last years game.  

 

So I'm flushing this and moving on.  

 

 

The good news is I think our defense is significantly better.  

 

they lost two big contributors from their secondary in Nelson and Hilton.  They are not elite back there yet.  Lets see what other teams do. 

[Playoffs?]

5 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:

So you got me to listen to

McDermott’s. 
My takeaway was he basically just took the blame for daboll the way he worded his answers not to throw him under the bus. But I feel like he’s holding daboll responsible for this mess today. Am I the only one to hear it that way? They asked his input on some of those play calls and he dodged it by just saying it’s on him (mcd) to fix it. 

I interpret the same way. 

[Mark Vader]

58 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:

I’m not sure I’m ready to see an interview yet. I will wait to hear from them next week on the field 😂

I need to see Virgil's thoughts first.

[NoHuddleKelly12]

1 hour ago, SCBills said:

Is their secondary excellent?  
 

I know we’re all wanting to crown their defense as elite, but coming into the game they were missing Tuitt, Ingram was old and they were starting a bunch of randoms in the secondary outside Haden/Fitzpatrick.  
 

They definitely looked elite, but I need to see them do this again before I chalk it up to them just having the best defense in the league. 
 

Im assuming other teams will at least attempt to be more balanced and/or protect their QB better than five matadors. 

^^^^^^/thread. 

[JohnNord]

1 hour ago, Rc2catch said:

So you got me to listen to

McDermott’s. 
My takeaway was he basically just took the blame for daboll the way he worded his answers not to throw him under the bus. But I feel like he’s holding daboll responsible for this mess today. Am I the only one to hear it that way? They asked his input on some of those play calls and he dodged it by just saying it’s on him (mcd) to fix it. 

I didn’t get that impression entirely.  Yes it sounds like he wasn’t completely happy with the playcalling but he also knows he probably f’ed up on a few 4th down calls as himself.

 

I got the impression he was pissed and embarrassed at how badly the O-line played.  I don’t think he’s thrilled with that group either 

[Milanos Milano]

I do NOT like McDermott’s canned responses. He always says it starts with me and I need to get better. No **** , the only way to get better is to get better talent, or utilize the talent that you have to better strategies. Obviously they don’t think Allen is the main problem, because they just backed up the binks truck. So is it the play calling McD or is it not good enough WRs/TE? I’m tired of him beating around the bush and hopefully he has a deep conversation with Daboll because quite frankly it’s unacceptable to get out played with the amount of talent we have on this team. Other teams are doing more with less, imagine if they had our roster. Constantly watching coaches like McVay and Shanahan get maximum production out of average talent, same with Belichick to some regards. If he thinks this fan base is going to just be happy with playoff runs and no Super Bowls, he has another thing coming. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, Rc2catch said:

So you got me to listen to

McDermott’s. 
My takeaway was he basically just took the blame for daboll the way he worded his answers not to throw him under the bus. But I feel like he’s holding daboll responsible for this mess today. Am I the only one to hear it that way? They asked his input on some of those play calls and he dodged it by just saying it’s on him (mcd) to fix it. 

 

No, I heard it the same way.  Near the end, Heather Prusik asked whether “you need to get the running backs more involved as a whole then they were today, I mean Josh ended up with 51 passing attempts” and McDermott had an uncharacteristic lapse saying “Yeah I don’t want to give things away in terms of (heh)..pause…I can be better there” (at 9 minutes).

 

Earlier he said (after some criticisms about they moved the ball at times and if you’ve got time to stand back there and throw it on 3rd downs it’s not good enough).  “Overall, I thought our defense gave us a chance, in some tough situations ” (about 7:05).  

 

He also pointedly said that the Steelers rushed 4 and sometimes only 3, and that “adjustments need to be made” on OL.

 

So yeah, I had the same takeaway.

 

I thought it was interesting that no one asked him a question about the blocked punt, which overall was the biggest thing that cost us the game.

 

[Milanos Milano]

10 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

No, I heard it the same way.  Near the end, Heather Prusik asked whether “you need to get the running backs more involved as a whole then they were today, I mean Josh ended up with 51 passing attempts” and McDermott had an uncharacteristic lapse saying “Yeah I don’t want to give things away in terms of (heh)..pause…I can be better there” (at 9 minutes).

 

Earlier he said (after some criticisms about they moved the ball at times and if you’ve got time to stand back there and throw it on 3rd downs it’s not good enough).  “Overall, I thought our defense gave us a chance, in some tough situations ” (about 7:05).  

 

He also pointedly said that the Steelers rushed 4 and sometimes only 3, and that “adjustments need to be made” on OL.

 

So yeah, I had the same takeaway.

 

I thought it was interesting that no one asked him a question about the blocked punt, which overall was the biggest thing that cost us the game.

 

I honestly don’t understand why they even bother having these press conferences. McDermott never gives a straight answer. All roads lead through him blah blah blah. It’s time he does some hard inspection into why we are struggling against harder competition. Is it talent, or is it coaching (play calling). If it’s talent, they have nobody but themselves to blame, because they didn’t do enough to bring in play makers. If it’s coaching, then they have nobody to blame but themselves because they continue to employ play callers that aren’t fixing the issues. While I don’t expect to go undefeated, I don’t find it acceptable what happened today. There is no reason why Allen passing 51 attempts yielded the results that it did with the surrounding talent that we have. We need to find ways to get these players in space if Allen is under pressure or roll him out. I’m getting tired of McDermott’s answers. 

Edited September 13, 2021 by IronMaidenBills

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

10 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

I do NOT like McDermott’s canned responses. He always says it starts with me and I need to get better. No **** , the only way to get better is to get better talent, or utilize the talent that you have to better strategies. Obviously they don’t think Allen is the main problem, because they just backed up the binks truck. So is it the play calling McD or is it not good enough WRs/TE? I’m tired of him beating around the bush and hopefully he has a deep conversation with Daboll because quite frankly it’s unacceptable to get out played with the amount of talent we have on this team. Other teams are doing more with less, imagine if they had our roster. Constantly watching coaches like McVay and Shanahan get maximum production out of average talent, same with Belichick to some regards. If he thinks this fan base is going to just be happy with playoff runs and no Super Bowls, he has another thing coming. 

I think if he was being honest he wouldve said 'the steelers late shifts on defense completely caught us by surprise and destroyed our presnap reads completely  and we will do our best to be better prepared' but we don't want to advertise that to every team in the league 🤣 

[Milanos Milano]

1 minute ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

I think if he was being honest he wouldve said 'the steelers late shifts on defense completely caught us by surprise and destroyed our presnap reads completely  and we will do our best to be better prepared' but we don't want to advertise that to every team in the league 🤣 

 

I’m not expecting him to divulge team secrets, but his canned responses are like nails on a chalk board. It’s best to not even interview him at this point. He could of said Allen needs to find his open receivers, or O line needs to block better, but nothing. Even if he presents what he perceives as an issue, what is he going to do to correct it? Get better talent? Yell? More drills? I hate coach speak, it does nothing to instill confidence. I have high standards, I want super bowls, if we aren’t getting them, then we need better talent evaluators or play callers or coaches. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

Just now, IronMaidenBills said:

 

I’m not expecting him to divulge team secrets, but his canned responses are like nails on a chalk board. It’s best to not even interview him at this point. He could of said Allen needs to find his open receivers, or O line needs to block better, but nothing. Even if he presents what he perceives as an issue, what is he going to do to correct it? Get better talent? Yell? More drills? I hate coach speak, it does nothing to instill confidence. I have high standards, I want super bowls, if we aren’t getting them, then we need better talent evaluators or play callers or coaches. 

That's kind of true with post-game pressers in general...its kind of a silly process.  Teams go to great lengths to not give away a single thing...its like a political debate 🤣

[Milanos Milano]

3 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

That's kind of true with post-game pressers in general...its kind of a silly process.  Teams go to great lengths to not give away a single thing...its like a political debate 🤣

Which I already knew this, so I have only myself to blame for clicking on the link and putting myself through that torture. I apologize, I guess it’s unreasonable to expect greatness and reasonable explanations and corrective actions. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

Just now, IronMaidenBills said:

Which I already knew this, so I have only myself to blame for clicking on the link and putting myself through that torture. I apologize, I guess it’s unreasonable to expect greatness and reasonable explanations and corrective actions. 

It's unreasonable for us to find out about it in a press conference haha 

[Milanos Milano]

1 minute ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

It's unreasonable for us to find out about it in a press conference haha 

LOL we will never find out about it, we will all have to speculate on here and make determinations if we think McDermott is fit enough to bring us a super bowl. If its a talent issue, we need to bring in better talent, if its coaching issues, then we need new coordinators. If we aren’t winning Super Bowls, they need to figure it out. 

Edited September 13, 2021 by IronMaidenBills

[LeGOATski]

@IronMaidenBillsover here wanting new coordinators after week 1... 🙄

 

You sound like we're still in the playoff drought.

[Big Blitz]

42 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

I honestly don’t understand why they even bother having these press conferences. McDermott never gives a straight answer. All roads lead through him blah blah blah. It’s time he does some hard inspection into why we are struggling against harder competition. Is it talent, or is it coaching (play calling).

 

It's the trenches.  Always.  

 

It never ever changes in the NFL.  If you have a great to elite QB and the best team in the trenches, you win.

 

Last year the Dline cost us.

 

This year, it looks like interior Oline is going to be an issue - against great fronts.  That interior line has to protect and open holes for running backs I'm not convinced are good enough to worry defenses at all.  

[Milanos Milano]

4 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

It's the trenches.  Always.  

 

It never ever changes in the NFL.  If you have a great to elite QB and the best team in the trenches, you win.

 

Last year the Dline cost us.

 

This year, it looks like interior Oline is going to be an issue - against great fronts.  That interior line has to protect and open holes for running backs I'm not convinced are good enough to worry defenses at all.  

Then we have a talent evaluation issue and not coordinator/coaching issues. Then Beane should be getting more heat than he is. Someone needs to be blamed. Nobody wants to be accountable anymore. With Allen money tied up, even with expanding cap, our elite talent acquisition is going to be limited to mostly the draft. So either Beane starts building up the trenches, or we need to fix the issue while we still have prime Allen. 

[Malazan]

3 hours ago, SCBills said:

Omg… the wind again.  I honestly can’t handle home game wind talk again this year.  Not yet at least. 

 

..but no dome...

[DCbillsfan]

6 hours ago, Rc2catch said:

So you got me to listen to

McDermott’s. 
My takeaway was he basically just took the blame for daboll the way he worded his answers not to throw him under the bus. But I feel like he’s holding daboll responsible for this mess today. Am I the only one to hear it that way? They asked his input on some of those play calls and he dodged it by just saying it’s on him (mcd) to fix it. 

I listened to McD's interview.  He was respectful towards the press but got the impression he was pissed about the game.  I think Daboll is his main target.  Allen was off his game yesterday and he got little help from the other players and coaching staff.  The game plan was inflexible imo

[just1hugheser]

4 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

 

It's the trenches.  Always.  

 

It never ever changes in the NFL.  If you have a great to elite QB and the best team in the trenches, you win.

 

Last year the Dline cost us.

 

This year, it looks like interior Oline is going to be an issue - against great fronts.  That interior line has to protect and open holes for running backs I'm not convinced are good enough to worry defenses at all.  

 

 

Always the trenches, if the line plays well no blocked punt, and you force the defense to rush more than 3-4 players and then you can start to implement a gameplan, if not well just re-watch today's game the offense never had a chance unless Allen was playing at his highest level.  He's worked a lot on his chemistry with his targets, his mechanics, imo he still needs to drill the mental aspects continually to have a better mental comfortability against any defense like you see in guys who have the mental part down 2nd nature(brady, manning, brees, wilson). 

 

I was worried all off-season that we were too complacent about what we had upfront,(was shocked they didnt bring in a better guard and a more physically competent center, not to mention the tackle position which was basically ignored aside from the draft and there were a lot of quality tackles being moved around this offseason but we're ok with Dion and Daryl and two rookies) yes they had an excellent season last year(the offense as a whole), I'd still argue that we have a serious talent deficiency on the offensive line especially when compared to the other playoff/super bowl contenders. 

 

Can anyone honestly say that our OLine is in the same league as say, Chiefs, Bucs, Browns, Ravens, Indy, Packers, Pats, Saints, Cowboys, Rams, 49ers, Lions, Philly, Tenn. ?

Ok maybe we can be considered in the same league as Philly and Tenn but the rest of the list is head and shoulders better than the Bills and the rest of the league, I can almost guarantee the super bowl champ in on that list the only other way to be that effective in the playoffs without a top 5-10 Oline is to have a top 5 Dline/Defense.

[Not at the table Karlos]

7 hours ago, 716er said:

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2000/opp.htm

 

In what metric? They were not in the top 5.

That's from 21 years ago...

[AmishRifle]

I think McD was pissed.  Pissed enough to make significant O-line changes.  He was honest when he said that he had already made some conclusions but was going to watch the tape again.  My take, he wanted a different O-line combo and got talked out of it.  Think you’ll see a different interior next week.

 

Beasely comments were interesting on inside and outside leverage.  Seems like the coverage they were running gave some challenges to the offense.

 

Last point, this game is an anomaly.  You had a defense that clearly focused on our offense all TC and pre-season in prep.  Won’t have that same challenge again this season.  We also had no film on their O with a new coordinator.  It’s hindsight, but just a bad circumstance that won’t repeat itself.  I don’t get upset with the canned responses.  It’s leadership and that’s hard to do.  I’m trusting the process here.  We’re going to be ok.