purple haze Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, K-9 said: We tend to forget that even back in our SB years, there were times when we didn’t sell out a home playoff game in January. True. But in saying that, let’s not act like the stadium wasn’t mostly full. 80,000 capacity and about 75,000 people there. if stadium is 60-62,000 as proposed that probably won’t be an issue. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, GustheDog33 said: Buffalo will not get a Final Four NFL Combines or NCAA bowl games. Those event have minimum requirements for things like hotel rooms within 1 hour of the stadium. Buffalo/WNY will not make that cut. I want to say we were just short of the super bowl hotel requirements a few years ago and a decent amount of hotels have been built since. Niagara falls has a lot. If they allow Canada there's even more. We should have enough. NCAA final 4 requires 60k seat stadium and 10k hotel rooms. If Niagara Falls Canada is included theres 16k right there. I can't find recent numbers for US but as of 2014 the city of buffalo had 2400 rooms. The immediate suburbs have a decent amount and NF NY has a lot. Then it's up to an hour drive. So Batavia, ellicottville, Lockport, Dunkirk. Edited December 22, 2021 by Not at the table Karlos 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 7 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: Which is why not building a dome is insane to me. The Raiders playoff game that was below zero had 61,000 people there. That would be a sellout at the new stadium. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF Bills Fan Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 Sounds like it is going to be OP. I'd have preferred a downtown retractable roof dome that was closer to the border so the Canadians could get there more easily. I think the a big part of future revenue will be from the Canadian fans and the best way to get the fat cats from Toronto to come to the games and spend on expensive seats is to build a state if the art, amenity laden stadium out of the elements. Then they go to restaurants and stay at hotels. If you put a convention center next to it, even better. Sounds like the state is going to pay for a stadium in OP or would pony up the extra money for a dome downtown. Missed opportunity in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 4 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: And yet he watches games from a heated luxury suite. Well yeah! Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 1 minute ago, SF Bills Fan said: Sounds like it is going to be OP. I'd have preferred a downtown retractable roof dome that was closer to the border so the Canadians could get there more easily. I think the a big part of future revenue will be from the Canadian fans and the best way to get the fat cats from Toronto to come to the games and spend on expensive seats is to build a state if the art, amenity laden stadium out of the elements. Then they go to restaurants and stay at hotels. If you put a convention center next to it, even better. Sounds like the state is going to pay for a stadium in OP or would pony up the extra money for a dome downtown. Missed opportunity in my opinion. Think small, be small. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 5 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: And yet he watches games from a heated luxury suite. So do you want a multipurpose stadium? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 Just now, Buffalo Barbarian said: So do you want a multipurpose stadium? I'll accept Orchard Park but you have to have a roof. And put some development around that stadium. Isn't it insane that not a single hotel was built anywhere near the stadium for almost 50 years???? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 1 minute ago, PromoTheRobot said: I'll accept Orchard Park but you have to have a roof. And put some development around that stadium. Isn't it insane that not a single hotel was built anywhere near the stadium for almost 50 years???? Yeah that is crazy, maybe there is zoning rules Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 Just now, Buffalo Barbarian said: Yeah that is crazy, maybe there is zoning rules People say the Town of Orchard Park is hostile to development. So it's hilarious they found that development religion only when the idea of building in Buffalo came up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 8 minutes ago, SF Bills Fan said: Sounds like it is going to be OP. I'd have preferred a downtown retractable roof dome that was closer to the border so the Canadians could get there more easily. I think the a big part of future revenue will be from the Canadian fans and the best way to get the fat cats from Toronto to come to the games and spend on expensive seats is to build a state if the art, amenity laden stadium out of the elements. Then they go to restaurants and stay at hotels. If you put a convention center next to it, even better. Sounds like the state is going to pay for a stadium in OP or would pony up the extra money for a dome downtown. Missed opportunity in my opinion. They should have helicopter pad for the fat catz to fly in on so they can show off their wealth 🎰🎰 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 4 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: They should have helicopter pad for the fat catz to fly in on so they can show off their wealth 🎰🎰 Or how about this? Extend MetroRail down to California Rd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 1 minute ago, PromoTheRobot said: Or how about this? Extend MetroRail down to California Rd. Thats a long track from Toronto 😉 Good place for a hyper loop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 Just now, Buffalo Barbarian said: Thats a long track from Toronto 😉 Good place for a hyper loop. Ah yes! Get Elon Musk on the phone! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 Just now, PromoTheRobot said: Ah yes! Get Elon Musk on the phone! Shoot he could pay for it and throw in a new stadium for fun. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 4 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Shoot he could pay for it and throw in a new stadium for fun. Maybe elon can take the Sabres off the Pegs hands Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 3 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: We laugh at ol' Dunkirk. But with the border being closed on and off, and the resulting loss of thousands of Canadian fans, is building closer to Rochester and Syracuse such a bad idea? FFS They built entire domed stadiums for $1.2B in the last few years. Why is adding a dome going to cost $1.5B?? It’s not. There is NO WAY adding a roof doubles the cost. Ridiculous. 😂😂😂😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Since1981 Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 43 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: single hotel was built anywhere near the stadium for almost 50 years …that is amazing…. almost nothing anywhere near that stadium. Fairly sad actually. I’d be embarrassed in that town Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breakout Squad Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Shaw66 said: I don't know. The guy I responded to said why not just spend the extra $1.5 billion to build a dome. What do I know about building a stadium? Ask him? Everything is so expensive now and wages are higher. Lucas Oil Stadium was a bargain by today’s standards. That cost them <$1 Billion. That would cost 2.5-3 now. Inflation is out of control. All the more reason to get the deal done immediately and build. Dome or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Since1981 Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, BTB said: Rochester I’m out of Webster/Rochester. 10 min +/- isn’t changing my visit counts. But sitting in 38F Windy Rain 3-6 score will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Since1981 said: …that is amazing…. almost nothing anywhere near that stadium. Fairly sad actually. I’d be embarrassed in that town Football stadiums are for football... Not to develop a community Sorry people don't want to hear that but the studies have shown the new stadium will bring as much economic impact as a new Target It doesn't change communities It be cool if it did but stadiums don't bring that amount of impact And OP probably doesn't want to develop around it because people will come regardless and vast majority are wny Edited December 22, 2021 by Buffalo716 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breakout Squad Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 53 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: Think small, be small. Almost everyone loves what we have in OP. Why change that? I don’t think it’s small thinking. I think it’s logical. On a side note, I have friends on Sheldon Road that get $$ for parking. It’s cheap compared to the stadium lots and you have a great time. Those folks get to keep getting that extra income instead of immensely wealthy downtown developers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boater Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 48 minutes ago, SF Bills Fan said: Sounds like it is going to be OP. I'd have preferred a downtown retractable roof dome that was closer to the border so the Canadians could get there more easily. I think the a big part of future revenue will be from the Canadian fans and the best way to get the fat cats from Toronto to come to the games and spend on expensive seats is to build a state if the art, amenity laden stadium out of the elements. Then they go to restaurants and stay at hotels. If you put a convention center next to it, even better. Sounds like the state is going to pay for a stadium in OP or would pony up the extra money for a dome downtown. Missed opportunity in my opinion. There's a road block to more Canadians attending Bills games. It's called the Peace Bridge. Or, more accurately, the decrepit inadequate Peace Bridge; It's a bottle neck. No "fat cat" from Toronto is going to become a spendy Bills fan when traveling to the games is an imbroglio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Breakout Squad said: Almost everyone loves what we have in OP. Why change that? I don’t think it’s small thinking. I think it’s logical. On a side note, I have friends on Sheldon Road that get $$ for parking. It’s cheap compared to the stadium lots and you have a great time. Those folks get to keep getting that extra income instead of immensely wealthy downtown developers. I think you proved my point. 8 minutes ago, boater said: There's a road block to more Canadians attending Bills games. It's called the Peace Bridge. Or, more accurately, the decrepit inadequate Peace Bridge; It's a bottle neck. No "fat cat" from Toronto is going to become a spendy Bills fan when traveling to the games is an imbroglio. There are two other bridges you can cross the border with: the Rainbow and Whirlpool bridges. And there's the International Railroad bridge if you want to develop a Canadian football train. 10 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Football stadiums are for football... Not to develop a community Sorry people don't want to hear that but the studies have shown the new stadium will bring as much economic impact as a new Target It doesn't change communities It be cool if it did but stadiums don't bring that amount of impact And OP probably doesn't want to develop around it because people will come regardless and vast majority are wny These are tropes and don't apply to every situation. Go to Baltimore on game days and see the impact M&T stadium has on its downtown. Of course if you build a stadium in the middle of nowhere then, yes, impact is minimal. Edited December 22, 2021 by PromoTheRobot 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Since1981 Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said: Are they pricing fans out and just want rich people there Nooo! Ralph originally needed stadium revenue to pay expenses. Today, the core is broadcast $, by HUGE margins. Also, $ gain in investment value. Stadium seat size is moot in 2024 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: I think you proved my point. There are two other bridges you can cross the border with: the Rainbow and Whirlpool bridges. And there's the International Railroad bridge if you want to develop a Canadian football train. These are tropes and don't apply to every situation. Go to Baltimore on game days and see the impact M&T stadium has on its downtown. Of course if you build a stadium in the middle of nowhere then, yes, impact is minimal. I bet if you looked at the numbers m&t bank stadium has not brought in that much money that changed the community Maybe the community was already on the upswing... And the stadium is just coincidence Because almost every stadium study says the impact is negligible The WNY study compared it to getting a new Target ... If it really was going to be an economic Renaissance I'm sure it would get done Downtown Edited December 22, 2021 by Buffalo716 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Since1981 Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 Just now, Buffalo716 said: impact is negligible agree. $1.5B on stadium—there isn’t much community ROI, ever for these. But I am still shocked how there’s literally nothing near OBD. $1.5B economic development is better spent on almost anything else. I do want my taxes spent on this horrific ROI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 7 hours ago, May Day 10 said: IMO Carolina was one of the best-weather games of the season. I admit, I passed on going and donated our tickets. Nobody in our group was feeling it. It wasnt necessarily a weather thing. For me, my kid had a hockey game, the opponent was an abysmal opponent with nothing to get excited for. The Bills had nothing to gain, but everything to lose. Man, you are a seriously damaged fan if that's how you feel.......in reality a win put them in position to play for the division lead......one of their 5 best seasons to this point in the last 25 years. But I agree there are a lot of permanently mind-fxcked Bills fans who have felt that they were promised greatness this year so they really aren't enjoying any of this. The drought drained all of the blood out of some of you. But a lot more people didn't show up Sunday because they don't like sitting out in the cold. Or watching the weather compromised product we've seen too often this season. It was a pretty lousy attendance day for a team who still has a chance at a SB run..........but that's just like it always is late in the season(even in the 90's) because people don't want to sit out in the cold. Wait until the regular season gets extended 2 more weeks with the 18th game and the 2nd bye. Then the outdoor-playing Bills will have two months of fans making business decisions because they don't want to sit out in the weather. 1 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boater Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 30 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: There are two other bridges you can cross the border with: the Rainbow and Whirlpool bridges. And there's the International Railroad bridge if you want to develop a Canadian football train. Those bridges are weak sauce. The fat cats from Toronto want a direct express route, ie: Peace Bridge. They want easy in, easy out. They don't want to meander through crime ridden Niagara Falls and rural Grand Island. Football train? I doubt it. Unless there is a three lane each way Peace Bridge, the Toronto fat cats aren't coming. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 (edited) Just now, boater said: Those bridges are weak sauce. The fat cats from Toronto want a direct express route, ie: Peace Bridge. They want easy in, easy out. They don't want to meander through crime ridden Niagara Falls and rural Grand Island. Football train? I doubt it. Unless there is a three lane each way Peace Bridge, the Toronto fat cats aren't coming. uhhhh...okay. Wouldn't fat cats just be driven by limo and not care which way they go? Edited December 22, 2021 by PromoTheRobot 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boater Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Since1981 said: …that is amazing…. almost nothing anywhere near that stadium. Fairly sad actually. I’d be embarrassed in that town Why is it embarrassing? Why should businesses build there for 8 games a year? It's economically fool hardy. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Since1981 Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 8 hours ago, cba fan said: 9 minutes ago, boater said: Why is it embarrassing? maybe I’m expecting more out of Orchard Park, NY. you’d think there would be something besides a bunch of “metal sheds” out there. ugly, muddy, metal sheds, treeless, pot hole. Oh wait, there’s a Tim Hortons, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Jack Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 14 hours ago, Since1981 said: vs CAR ROC fans 21, 23 yr old girls with me couldn’t feel their toes. Broke out foot warmer packs. Rex Ryan would like a picture of their frozen feet. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 3 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: Football stadiums are for football... Not to develop a community Sorry people don't want to hear that but the studies have shown the new stadium will bring as much economic impact as a new Target It doesn't change communities It be cool if it did but stadiums don't bring that amount of impact And OP probably doesn't want to develop around it because people will come regardless and vast majority are wny The thing about studies is that they rely on old data. Things change. The people who just want another hole in the ground in OP also can't really imagine what the league is going to look like in 20 years when the stadium is approaching it's half-life.......nor do they care because they will likely be unable to enjoy it then. The people on this board are definitely not the demographic that will be paying for this stadium and enjoying the entertainment options etc.. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 4 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: But a lot more people didn't show up Sunday because they don't like sitting out in the cold. Or watching the weather compromised product we've seen too often this season. It was a pretty lousy attendance day for a team who still has a chance at a SB run..........but that's just like it always is late in the season(even in the 90's) because people don't want to sit out in the cold. Wait until the regular season gets extended 2 more weeks with the 18th game and the 2nd bye. Then the outdoor-playing Bills will have two months of fans making business decisions because they don't want to sit out in the weather. I keep hearing about all these people who don’t show up to these cold weather games. There were over 65,000 people who did show up on Sunday and sit out in the cold. Over 69,000 showed up for the Monday night game a couple weeks ago. New stadium will seat between 60,000-62,000 according to reports. The people who don’t like the cold won’t have to worry about going. Enjoy the game on your couch. Nothing wrong with that at all. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 3 hours ago, Since1981 said: maybe I’m expecting more out of Orchard Park, NY. you’d think there would be something besides a bunch of “metal sheds” out there. ugly, muddy, metal sheds, treeless, pot hole. Oh wait, there’s a Tim Hortons, There’s more in OP now than when the Bills first started playing there; which says it all. At least there’s that strip mall out there now. It looks like a suburb. When I was a kid it seemed more rural than suburban. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 (edited) Basically the Pegulas are going to build the old Texas stadium? This is a picture of the old Texas Stadium. Edited December 22, 2021 by Buffalo_Stampede Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 Dome or Buffalo sucks. WAIT!… nevermind 🤦♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Since1981 Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 (edited) That old Texas Stadium style would appear fix my core issue with Anti-competitive highest wind in NFL Legit question. does an open air have more maintenance or repair over time? Water/freeze cycles seem to cause problems with any structure. Edited December 22, 2021 by Since1981 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Since1981 said: That old Texas Stadium style would appear fix my core issue with Anti-competitive highest wind in NFL Legit question. does an open air have more maintenance or repair over time? Water/freeze cycles seem to cause problems with any structure. Answer: there are trade offs. The dome requires tremendous annual maintenance and operational costs of a huge mechanical system for heating and cooling not to mention maintaining the roof itself. The outdoor venue requires way way less maintenance. Edited December 22, 2021 by SoCal Deek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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