Ouch.....thats gonna leave a mark

[That's No Moon]

25 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

I have seen discussions about how it is better to wear it that way so when helmet is hit it absorbs the energy rather than player.

 

Like argument it is better to not have seat belt on so you are thrown free of crash.

Brilliant.

[Punching Bag]

31 minutes ago, That's No Moon said:

Brilliant.

 

Gus Frerotte can attest the usefulness of helmets. 

 

If QB ends up on bottom of pile QB's IQ will approach that of Jeff George at end of career.

[That's No Moon]

17 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

Gus Frerotte can attest the usefulness of helmets. 

 

If QB ends up on bottom of pile QB's IQ will approach that of Jeff George at end of career.

If Gus Frerotte had done what he did with no helmet on there'd be no Gus Frerotte.

[Gugny]

The hit was clearly not dirty.  Clean hit, but penalty-worthy.

[Mike in Horseheads]

14 minutes ago, Gugny said:

The hit was clearly not dirty.  Clean hit, but penalty-worthy.

Now you get it! This will upset @GoBills808

Edited August 24, 2021 by Mike in Horseheads
spelling

[GoBills808]

23 minutes ago, Mike in Horseheads said:

Now you get it! This will upset @GoBills808

I’m all about bringing people together

 

 you’re welcome

[colin]

he's gotta drop his level a bit at an angle across the qb's body so he can wrap up and disrupt the ball if possible.  i agree w the above that it wasn't dirty, but in the nfl today that's a flag on a qb.

 

with that clip of the jets game where josh was clearly and illegally head hit and targeted after throwing, i think josh moving so much (even when he's just throwing) and being big and strong and fighting off pass rushers is leading to him not getting as many calls.

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Ralonzo]

Yeah, and make sure you jump out just before the elevator hits the ground!

[Warcodered]

 

[Old Coot]

Read somewhere that being hit by a blitzing LB is like being hit by a car doing 5 mph.

[dave mcbride]

Wow: I recommend watching this, @Limeaid, @Jauronimo, @Rico, and @Gugny. Tom Brady comes to the defense of Andre Smith vis-a-vis his hit on Fields, and what he says is smart:

 

also: 

 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/09/03/tom-brady-defensive-players-get-penalized-for-offensive-mistakes/

 

Edited September 3, 2021 by dave mcbride

[Patrick Duffy]

4 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Damn. This is so true…. It’s not changing either. If anything it will get worse.

Yeah it's frustrating they've made it much harder for defense like they have. I agree, wouldn't surprise me if it does get worse

[Punching Bag]

1 hour ago, dave mcbride said:

Wow: I recommend watching this, @Limeaid, @Jauronimo, @Rico, and @Gugny. Tom Brady comes to the defense of Andre Smith vis-a-vis his hit on Fields, and what he says is smart:

 

also: 

 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/09/03/tom-brady-defensive-players-get-penalized-for-offensive-mistakes/

 

 

He never said anything though when defenses were penalized for hitting HIM.

[Beerball]

On 8/21/2021 at 4:50 PM, Draconator said:

No it wasn't. Smith lowered his head towards Field's chest. Fields at the last minute lowered his head, making Smith's helmet contact the bottom of Fields face mask. 

 

Hi, Homer.

[Jauronimo]

2 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

Wow: I recommend watching this, @Limeaid, @Jauronimo, @Rico, and @Gugny. Tom Brady comes to the defense of Andre Smith vis-a-vis his hit on Fields, and what he says is smart:

 

also: 

 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/09/03/tom-brady-defensive-players-get-penalized-for-offensive-mistakes/

 

I don't care what Tom Brady has to say about anymore than I care about what you and a hundred others have had to say about the hit because in today's NFL...wait for it...that hit is called a penalty 11/10 times and anyone surprised to see a flag on that play hasn't been watching football for the past 5 years.  Tom Brady would be flipping the f@#$ out if someone popped his helmet off.

 

I have no interest in discussing for the 1,000th time whether that hit should be a penalty. Fact is, it will be called a penalty every single time and guys who make millions of dollars need to understand that it will be called every single time and people who call themselves football fans need to learn that it will be called every single time.  I do not want to see role players on this team racking up 15 yard personal fouls just so a few of you can rant about the good old days and how todays game is two hand touch in comparison.

[PatsFanNH]

On 8/21/2021 at 4:56 PM, BillsfaninSB said:

He kept his face and eyes up.  Hardly lowered the shoulder.  What should have he done differently?  Justin was a statue. 

Fields NEVER saw him coming. If he did he takes off running and Smith never touches him.  He didn’t lower his helmet but it was helmet to helmet contact which is illegal in the NFL.

 

what he should have done is went lower, he was way way to high to not expect the little yellow flag to come out. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

On 8/28/2021 at 2:53 PM, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

If Fields fastened his freakin' chin strap maybe his helmet would not come off.

 

31 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

I don't care what Tom Brady has to say about anymore than I care about what you and a hundred others have had to say about the hit because in today's NFL...wait for it...that hit is called a penalty 11/10 times and anyone surprised to see a flag on that play hasn't been watching football for the past 5 years.  Tom Brady would be flipping the f@#$ out if someone popped his helmet off.

 

Tom Brady would fasten his helmet on properly so that it stays on and protects his head.

[PatsFanNH]

4 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

If Fields fastened his freakin' chin strap maybe his helmet would not come off.

Lol the hit will get a fine or suspension 10/10 times. If he did that hit to Mahomes, Brady (elite) he is suspended anyone else a fine.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

Just now, PatsFanNH said:

Lol the hit will get a fine or suspension 10/10 times. If he did that hit to Mahomes, Brady (elite) he is suspended anyone else a fine.

 

Where did I say anything about the hit?

 

I'm simply making a point about the "knocked helmet off" part of the narrative. 

 

The helmet came off because it was loosely fastened.  Tom Brady is smarter than that.

 

 

[dave mcbride]

40 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

I don't care what Tom Brady has to say about anymore than I care about what you and a hundred others have had to say about the hit because in today's NFL...wait for it...that hit is called a penalty 11/10 times and anyone surprised to see a flag on that play hasn't been watching football for the past 5 years.  Tom Brady would be flipping the f@#$ out if someone popped his helmet off.

 

I have no interest in discussing for the 1,000th time whether that hit should be a penalty. Fact is, it will be called a penalty every single time and guys who make millions of dollars need to understand that it will be called every single time and people who call themselves football fans need to learn that it will be called every single time.  I do not want to see role players on this team racking up 15 yard personal fouls just so a few of you can rant about the good old days and how todays game is two hand touch in comparison.

Not really my point, but OK. I just thought you might find it interesting. Brady never said it wasn't a penalty, btw. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

On 8/24/2021 at 10:50 AM, Gugny said:

The hit was clearly not dirty.  Clean hit, but penalty-worthy.

 

57 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

Fields NEVER saw him coming. If he did he takes off running and Smith never touches him.  He didn’t lower his helmet but it was helmet to helmet contact which is illegal in the NFL.

 

what he should have done is went lower, he was way way to high to not expect the little yellow flag to come out. 

 

Just a point here, in Bill Belichick's own words about a helmet-to-helmet hit on Allen that drew a penalty but not a fine.  If the link doesn't take you to the right place, it's at 27:30.  Belichick doesn't say "what (Jones) should have done is went lower, he was way way too high to not expect the little yellow flag to come out".

Belichick says "he did what we coached him to do, and if that's a penalty we need to change how we're coaching"

 

Also listen to the (Boston media I assume) "take" on it as revealed by how he asks the question.

 

Now apply that to Andre's hit on Fields.  He didn't lead with his helmet, etc etc.

 

I'm not quarreling with the penalty, but I think the fine is excessive and influenced by the fact that a loosely-fastened helmet came flying off.

 

 

[Mr. WEO]

On 8/21/2021 at 4:50 PM, Draconator said:

No it wasn't. Smith lowered his head towards Field's chest. Fields at the last minute lowered his head, making Smith's helmet contact the bottom of Fields face mask. 

 

Good point.  In fact, the way Fields was dressed, he was pretty much asking for it..

[PatsFanNH]

59 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

 

Just a point here, in Bill Belichick's own words about a helmet-to-helmet hit on Allen that drew a penalty but not a fine.  If the link doesn't take you to the right place, it's at 27:30.  Belichick doesn't say "what (Jones) should have done is went lower, he was way way too high to not expect the little yellow flag to come out".

Belichick says "he did what we coached him to do, and if that's a penalty we need to change how we're coaching"

 

Also listen to the (Boston media I assume) "take" on it as revealed by how he asks the question.

 

Now apply that to Andre's hit on Fields.  He didn't lead with his helmet, etc etc.

 

I'm not quarreling with the penalty, but I think the fine is excessive and influenced by the fact that a loosely-fastened helmet came flying off.

 

 

I’d love to but video isn’t available and I don’t have an hour sit and watch it all on YouTube.  
 

My point is simple, in today’s NFL that hit will get a fine as well as the personal foul penalty MINIMUM.  You do it against Bray,Mahomes, Insert Face of NFL here and you will probably get suspended.   That’s the simple truth of it NOW.  It’s been this way for years. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

18 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

I’d love to but video isn’t available and I don’t have an hour sit and watch it all on YouTube. 

 

If you go to Youtube and advance to 27:30 as stated in the post to which you are replying, you will find Bill Belichek's remarks about a similar hit on a QB where the defensive player did not lead with his helmet, but hit the QB in the helmet.  If you go a bit back from that, you can see several views of the hit.  It will literally take you less time than it took to post your response.

 

18 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

My point is simple, in today’s NFL that hit will get a fine as well as the personal foul penalty MINIMUM.  You do it against Bray,Mahomes, Insert Face of NFL here and you will probably get suspended.   That’s the simple truth of it NOW.  It’s been this way for years. 

 

My point is simple: it has not uniformly been that way for years, and your head football coach does not appear to think it should even be a penalty (or else, he coaches his players to commit penalties, your choice)

 

I illustrated my point with a visual example.