The Frankish Reich Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 Before this gets moved to OTW: 1. Folks who aren't NBA fans/didn't watch this finals missed some fantastic games. I'll admit it: I'm not much of a regular season NBA fan. But last year's "bubble" playoffs and this year's finals were awesome. 2. Why did I seem to care so much about the Bucks winning? It's a Buffalo/small market thing. It just meant so much more to Milwaukee than it meant to Phoenix, a city of non-stop growth with people resettling from any and every where. More people gathered outside to watch the games on a big screen than actually fit in the arena. Meanwhile ... apparently no public gathering in the desert heat. This is what Buffalo would look like if the Sabres could ever make a run again! 3. Plus, Giannis said hell with all that big market/marketing thing, I'm staying in Milwaukee. There's more to life than hob nobbing with the stars, or taking one's talents to South Beach. In modern pro sports there's little connection between the player and the community when the player gets drafted or signs. But some guys develop that connection, and it's special when it happens. Josh Allen, pay attention ... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 1 hour ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said: Italy loss went a bit rough for your country, man. My condolences Indeed. I was at Wembley too. Gutting. But they did deserve it. They edged the game, and were the one team in the tournament who over the whole piece I thought were better than England. So no complaints. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 2 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Indeed but despite all that he is 31-10 as a starting Quarterback including playoffs. They are brilliantly coached, they have a great front office and they have a really strong roster around Lamar. Him not being a great passer has been 31-10. They have upgraded as wide receiver too. I think their path is narrower than some of the others (I feel the same about Tennessee) because they have a clear QB limitation and so less margin for error, but they have a shot at being in the Superbowl. I think it is those 5 in the AFC. KC, Buffalo, Cleveland and then a bit more of an outside shot Baltimore and Tennessee. 1-3 in the playoffs. Baltimore in their current iteration are a team built to win lots of regular season games. Well, what's wrong with that, you say? Nothing really, as it means everyone keeping their jobs and annual playoff appearances. I don't know of anyone, though, who thinks that offense is going to win a Super Bowl. I think if Lamar was going to make a jump forward as a passer it would have been last season. A sinister part of me hopes they continue to own Cleveland, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 7 hours ago, Big Turk said: Over the past several years we have watched teams that have either never won a championship before or won for the first time in many decades in major sports hoist the trophy in their respective sport: Golden State Warriors Cleveland Cavs Philadelphia Eagles Washington Nationals Houston Astros Toronto Raptors St. Louis Blues Washington Capitals Chicago Cubs Boston Red Sox KC Royals I am super happy for these teams and their fans that they get to celebrate but I can't help feel a little bit jealous...when is it our turn with the Bills or Sabres?? They won 4 WS between 2004 and 2018. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 Quitcher whining, OP. If anyone knew “when” a team would win a title, no one would follow it. Get out of the house. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: Indeed. I was at Wembley too. Gutting. But they did deserve it. They edged the game, and were the one team in the tournament who over the whole piece I thought were better than England. So no complaints. Please tell me you were not "Tail" Gunner Bill, a/k/a Charlie Perry. Bills Mafia, your move ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 1 hour ago, eball said: 1-3 in the playoffs. Baltimore in their current iteration are a team built to win lots of regular season games. Well, what's wrong with that, you say? Nothing really, as it means everyone keeping their jobs and annual playoff appearances. I don't know of anyone, though, who thinks that offense is going to win a Super Bowl. I think if Lamar was going to make a jump forward as a passer it would have been last season. A sinister part of me hopes they continue to own Cleveland, though. That offense can't win multiple Superbowls. But it got to one with Roman and Kap. You might say the road is harder in the AFC now than the NFC then and you could have a point but they upgraded at receiver they have two good backs, two good tight ends, the best young left tackle in football. Baltimore's road is narrower. Their margin for error is reduced. Maybe they pay Lamar after this year have to shed pieces and it disappears totally, but as presently constituted Baltimore could make a Superbowl. They would need things to go their way but there is a route for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 White Sox: 2005. 8 hours ago, NobesBLO13 said: Didn’t they win it in 1971? Was it not considered a major title back then? I’m not an NBA fan so not sure of NBA history in the 70s. First time in many decades... Maybe they should have phrased it: "Another in many decades..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 3 hours ago, Motorin' said: I had never heard of the Rochester Royals, let alone that they has won an NBA championship. Wow I am a Rochester native and I didn’t learn about it until very recently. It’s crazy to think that we have a title in one of the Big 4 major sports in America. I knew the Royals existed. Heck, I’ve even have a Royals jersey and STILL didn’t know they were champions. 😄 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NobesBLO13 Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 21 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: White Sox: 2005. First time in many decades... Maybe they should have phrased it: "Another in many decades..." The OP and title was changed after I posted that. It was originally first time a team ever won. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringMetheHeadofLeonLett Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 Astros should be stricken from the list. They didn't WIN *****. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st pete gogolak Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 I also find it interesting that the Bucks beat the Suns. Both came into the league same year (1967). Bucks won a coin flip and got Lew Alcindor. Suns got Neal Walk (the "Human Sweater"). I think the Suns are the Sabres' doppelganger. Both teams entered their respective leagues around the same time (late '60's early '70's), had some early success (Suns lost in NBA finals to Celtics, Sabres lost NHL finals to Flyers), were generally good but not great teams for decades, had one more run at a championship (Suns with Barkley, Sabres with Hasek), both went into an ugly 10 year funk - and there the stories diverge. Suns look like they will compete for a title for at least a couple more years while the Sabres are an ongoing dumpster fire. Rochester Royals have an interesting history. Moved to Cincinnati and became Cincinnati Royals. Got hometown hero Oscar Robertson but didn't win anything. Became the Kansas City-Omaha Kings, then the Kansas City Kings, then the Sacramento Kings (with fellow California NBA team the Los Angeles Clippers, formerly San Diego Clippers, formerly your Buffalo Braves). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 (edited) 9 hours ago, Gugny said: The Bucks won the NBA Championship in 1971. I got rebounds for the Bucks at halftime and sat under the basket during a game at the Aud that year. I went to the game early with my older brother who was an usher. I was wearing my JC Penney Junior Buffalo Braves sweatshirt and was chosen to be the ball boy for the game. Alcindor stood next to me and handed me the ball to toss out to the shooters (changed his name later that year). Oscar Robertson shook my hand. I was 10 and will never forget it. Edited July 21, 2021 by Turk71 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 11 minutes ago, Turk71 said: I got rebounds for the Bucks at halftime and sat under the basket during a game at the Aud that year. I went to the game early with my older brother who was an usher. I was wearing my JC Penney Junior Buffalo Braves sweatshirt and was chosen to be the ball boy for the game. Alcindor stood next to me and handed me the ball to toss out to the shooters (changed his name later that year). Oscar Robertson shook my hand. I was 10 and will never forget it. That is AWESOME! What an experience! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 49 minutes ago, BringMetheHeadofLeonLett said: Astros should be stricken from the list. They didn't WIN *****. I think the World Series counts as @#$%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 32 minutes ago, Turk71 said: I got rebounds for the Bucks at halftime and sat under the basket during a game at the Aud that year. I went to the game early with my older brother who was an usher. I was wearing my JC Penney Junior Buffalo Braves sweatshirt and was chosen to be the ball boy for the game. Alcindor stood next to me and handed me the ball to toss out to the shooters (changed his name later that year). Oscar Robertson shook my hand. I was 10 and will never forget it. That's awesome! A friend of mine in HS somehow got to be a Ball Boy for the Hawks in the late 90's. He quit after a year because he was bored with it. He wasn't a big sports guy. All of us were actually pissed at him. He was on the court and saw Michael, Kobe, Shaq, Allen Iverson etc....and got bored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 20 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: I think the World Series counts as @#$%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 4 minutes ago, Gugny said: Thats where you and others can file all your serious concerns about cheating in baseball and the integrity of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 1 minute ago, Jauronimo said: Thats where you and others can file all your serious concerns about cheating in baseball and the integrity of the game. I honestly don't really give a ***** that they cheated with the trash cans. Cheating has always been part of the game. Cheating with electronics is what crosses the line for me. I am convinced that that midget, Altuve, was wearing a wire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 Just now, Gugny said: I honestly don't really give a ***** that they cheated with the trash cans. Cheating has always been part of the game. Cheating with electronics is what crosses the line for me. I am convinced that that midget, Altuve, was wearing a wire. I don't care that they cheated because the Yankees, Red Sox, and every other team that was good was and still is cheating. Cheating is foundational to the game and the line is constantly being pushed. If Altuve was wearing a wire and getting tips as to what pitch with an artificially high spin rate was coming from and HGH riddled pitcher, I still don't care. What have they done since they got caught? Nearly won a second title and sit in first place currently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 3 hours ago, Gugny said: I honestly don't really give a ***** that they cheated with the trash cans. Cheating has always been part of the game. Cheating with electronics is what crosses the line for me. I am convinced that that midget, Altuve, was wearing a wire. Oh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Gugny Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 6 hours ago, Jauronimo said: I don't care that they cheated because the Yankees, Red Sox, and every other team that was good was and still is cheating. Cheating is foundational to the game and the line is constantly being pushed. If Altuve was wearing a wire and getting tips as to what pitch with an artificially high spin rate was coming from and HGH riddled pitcher, I still don't care. What have they done since they got caught? Nearly won a second title and sit in first place currently. They are a great team. They were a great team when they cheated their way to a WS title. Very similar to the Patriots, Barry Bonds, ARod, etc. Without cheating, all would have likely won/been elite. The spin rate BS is being blown way out of proportion. Sticky stuff has been part of baseball since 1904. Wearing a wire is on an entirely different level. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jauronimo Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 27 minutes ago, Gugny said: They are a great team. They were a great team when they cheated their way to a WS title. Very similar to the Patriots, Barry Bonds, ARod, etc. Without cheating, all would have likely won/been elite. The spin rate BS is being blown way out of proportion. Sticky stuff has been part of baseball since 1904. Wearing a wire is on an entirely different level. Breakdown the levels of cheating for me. How long until allegedly wearing a wire or stealing signals via electronic means is grandfathered in and no longer a big deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 13 hours ago, Jauronimo said: I don't care that they cheated because the Yankees, Red Sox, and every other team that was good was and still is cheating. Cheating is foundational to the game and the line is constantly being pushed. If Altuve was wearing a wire and getting tips as to what pitch with an artificially high spin rate was coming from and HGH riddled pitcher, I still don't care. What have they done since they got caught? Nearly won a second title and sit in first place currently. Cheating is foundational to pro-sport. I know fans all react to statements like that with horror but it is, I'm afraid, a fact. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 6 hours ago, Jauronimo said: Breakdown the levels of cheating for me. How long until allegedly wearing a wire or stealing signals via electronic means is grandfathered in and no longer a big deal? I'll do nothing of the sort. As I said in an earlier post, using electronics crosses the imaginary line (to me) and I hope it would never be grandfathered in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 On 7/21/2021 at 5:47 AM, Big Turk said: Over the past several years we have watched teams that have either never won a championship before or won for the first time in many decades in major sports hoist the trophy in their respective sport: Golden State Warriors Cleveland Cavs Philadelphia Eagles Washington Nationals Houston Astros Toronto Raptors St. Louis Blues Washington Capitals Chicago Cubs Boston Red Sox KC Royals I am super happy for these teams and their fans that they get to celebrate but I can't help feel a little bit jealous...when is it our turn with the Bills or Sabres?? The Bills are close, sadly Allen will be in his prime the same time Mahomes is which will make it tough to break threw but there should be some good battles. the Sabres, I am sorry to say are a hot mess in the NHL. Just look what Hall did with them for like 2/3 of the year he doubled in 8 games with the Bruins. Their only other star player also wants out.. The Sabres would be lucky be a 500 team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted July 22, 2021 Author Share Posted July 22, 2021 27 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said: The Bills are close, sadly Allen will be in his prime the same time Mahomes is which will make it tough to break threw but there should be some good battles. the Sabres, I am sorry to say are a hot mess in the NHL. Just look what Hall did with them for like 2/3 of the year he doubled in 8 games with the Bruins. Their only other star player also wants out.. The Sabres would be lucky be a 500 team. Well, just because they are contemporaries doesn't mean that Mahomes will be in every Super Bowl. Some years they will miss. And there is at least a decent chance that Allen could eclipse Machines in terms of talent...he has far more room to grow than Mahomes does at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 21 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: They won 4 WS between 2004 and 2018. The bigger problem is when OP said he was super happy for those teams and their fans when he should have said ***** the Red Sox. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Days Lois & Clark Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 Buffalo does not have basketball or baseball teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 23 hours ago, st pete gogolak said: I also find it interesting that the Bucks beat the Suns. Both came into the league same year (1967). Bucks won a coin flip and got Lew Alcindor. Suns got Neal Walk (the "Human Sweater"). I think the Suns are the Sabres' doppelganger. Both teams entered their respective leagues around the same time (late '60's early '70's), had some early success (Suns lost in NBA finals to Celtics, Sabres lost NHL finals to Flyers), were generally good but not great teams for decades, had one more run at a championship (Suns with Barkley, Sabres with Hasek), both went into an ugly 10 year funk - and there the stories diverge. Suns look like they will compete for a title for at least a couple more years while the Sabres are an ongoing dumpster fire. Rochester Royals have an interesting history. Moved to Cincinnati and became Cincinnati Royals. Got hometown hero Oscar Robertson but didn't win anything. Became the Kansas City-Omaha Kings, then the Kansas City Kings, then the Sacramento Kings (with fellow California NBA team the Los Angeles Clippers, formerly San Diego Clippers, formerly your Buffalo Braves). I had totally forgotten about Neal Walk. Was the nickname because he sweated a lot? Interesting post-NBA history: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neal_Walk As for the Rochester Royals: I just looked at their roster and saw they had Red Holzman (later Knicks NBA championship coach) and George Mikan's little brother on those teams. Oh, and they played in the Western Conference ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 10 hours ago, Big Turk said: Well, just because they are contemporaries doesn't mean that Mahomes will be in every Super Bowl. Some years they will miss. And there is at least a decent chance that Allen could eclipse Machines in terms of talent...he has far more room to grow than Mahomes does at this point. Why I said great battles.. He could break threw he may not.. let’s not forget if Watson gets on a competent team he also is a great QB.. Point is the Bills are close but the Sabre’s are not. 9 hours ago, Rico said: The bigger problem is when OP said he was super happy for those teams and their fans when he should have said ***** the Red Sox. I think he meant when they finally broke threw after like 80 years without a championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 Great job Bucks—see you in 50 years!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 (edited) On 7/21/2021 at 11:30 PM, GunnerBill said: I think the Ravens have a shot too. It is Chiefs, Bills and Browns in tier 1 for me and then Ravens and Titans in tier 2. You think the Browns are tier one? Interesting. I hadn't really followed them this offseason. Wow. Looks like an interesting season this year. Glorious to be real players in the playoff picture in Buffalo. 18 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Great job Bucks—see you in 50 years!! Not a pro hoops fan at all, but this has been a fantastic story. Edited July 23, 2021 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 7 hours ago, Happy Days Lois & Clark said: Buffalo does not have basketball or baseball teams. The Buffalo Bisons would beg to disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 4 hours ago, Thurman#1 said: You think the Browns are tier one? Interesting. I hadn't really followed them this offseason. Wow. Looks like an interesting season this year. Glorious to be real players in the playoff picture in Buffalo. I do. I know winning the offseason is a bit of a Rex Ryan sized joke around here, and not without reason, but Cleveland's weakness last year was back 7 on defense and they have been aggressive in attacking that in FA and got my guy in the draft in Greg Newsome who I think starts off the bus at corner. They are obviously more limited at Quarterback than Buffalo and KC but Baker can play and aside from QB it is, on paper at least, the strongest roster in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st pete gogolak Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 22 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said: I had totally forgotten about Neal Walk. Was the nickname because he sweated a lot? Interesting post-NBA history: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neal_Walk As for the Rochester Royals: I just looked at their roster and saw they had Red Holzman (later Knicks NBA championship coach) and George Mikan's little brother on those teams. Oh, and they played in the Western Conference ... Re Neal Walk. No, it was because he was one of the hairiest humans ever. I was I could post a photo but don't know how to do that without help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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