leh-nerd skin-erd Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 It’s finally happened… @Niagara Bill has lost his ever lovin mind. https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/the-competition-is-over-canada-has-a-new-unknown-vaccine-hero/ 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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All_Pro_Bills Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: It’s finally happened… @Niagara Bill has lost his ever lovin mind. https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/the-competition-is-over-canada-has-a-new-unknown-vaccine-hero/ "If you have the vaccine you can still spread the virus." That's pretty much it. What it implies is your vax status of "vaccinated" is not equivalent to posing no threat to others. Your viral load is the issue. And people either vaxed or not vaxed can still carry a viral load capable of infecting others. Just what the specific risk either poses is unclear to me. But there is a risk in either case. But all the government cares about is vaxing. A program on its own that is guaranteed to fail in stopping the spread of the virus and its variants. So in 2030 I'll be on my 19th booster shot wearing a mask at the supermarket. And the host at the local restaurant will greet you with asking "what would you prefer, COVID or non-COVID seating?" The problem is when you mix politics and science you get politics. And the objective of vaxing everybody is not equivalent of or synonymous with stopping the virus. That's where we're at here now. At some point we need to invoke common sense. Edited August 30, 2021 by All_Pro_Bills 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 20 hours ago, B-Man said: Notice at the end of the video the student seems to be on his knees resisting. Also notice the other college students laughing at him. This is disturbing because it seems on this particular campus, The University of Tennessee, the kids are hook, line, and sinker when it comes to (probably) vaccinated people being forced to wear masks. These students are our future. Speaking of the future: it's going to be very interesting to see how American police respond to these Covid restrictions. I've been thinking for a while now that here in America it could never happen like it has in, say, Australia. Our police have at least a little bit of dignity. It seems to me this officer really didn't want to do this. But he did. That's a crazy video. Any other decade, at least 3/4 of that class wouldn't be wearing a mask just to give the middle finger to The Man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 GQP will sacrifice their own supporters to own the libs and win. Sick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Someone didn’t get the GQP memo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 13 hours ago, BillStime said: GQP will sacrifice their own supporters to own the libs and win. Sick Well a large Israeli study did find that "natural" immunity was 13x more effective against the delta variant than the vaccines. And we know the vaccines don't kill off the virus so both vaccinated and un-vaccinated people can carry a viral load capable of passing on the infection. Which can make vaccinated people a seemingly healthy walking virus incubator and spreader. So yes, the fact you might have a vaccine passport is not equivalent to you being incapable of passing on the virus. Given the Israeli government seems to be ignoring this study I'm certain the US government will too. The effective way to ensure a person doesn't carry the virus is through testing. If you look at countries that have gotten the virus under control its because of vigorous testing, and contact tracing which seems pretty much non-existent here. And given there are tests approved through EUA by the FDA that are self-administered and produce a result in around 15 minutes we should be taking advantage of that and doing more testing. Like checking school kids at home in the morning several times a week before school to prevent school outbreaks and closings. And keeping a focus on utilizing virus killing treatments that are either available or in P3 trials. A few of which appear to be "game changers" but get completely brushed off and ignored in the press and officialdom. I can only presume its because such a treatment would disrupt their vaccine focused approach. And as we know questioning experts is now forbidden. I can't understand why its not crystal clear to everyone, especially the people running the show here, that just vaccinating everyone is not going to stop the virus or end the pandemic. You need both immunity and you need to kill off the virus. But the vaccines don't provide long-term immunity or stop infection. They provide limited protection against serious illness for a limited amount of time. The vax is really equivalent to a pre-treatment. I feel its dishonest that all the people in charge insist to continue calling it a vaccine. And ignore many "experts" that frankly have more credible arguments and logical conclusions than they do. And while its certain that these "vaccines" are useful and effective for what they can do they are not delivering what was originally advertised. Which is the idea that by immunizing everyone so we can return to normal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundancer Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 (edited) If everyone was vaccinated, barely anyone would be in the hospitals. Deaths would not be above pandemic thresholds. And we wouldn’t be masking (in schools FFS) or even testing except in medical settings and maybe with the most vulnerable. It’s not that hard to understand. It’s not a conspiracy of control. We just have overwhelmed hospitals and medical care. I am living my life without restrictions right now. I hope to continue but suspect the unvaccinated will be filling northeastern hospitals soon and our ***** governors will react. 9 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: Well a large Israeli study did find that "natural" immunity was 13x more effective against the delta variant than the vaccines. And we know the vaccines don't kill off the virus so both vaccinated and un-vaccinated people can carry a viral load capable of passing on the infection. Which can make vaccinated people a seemingly healthy walking virus incubator and spreader. So yes, the fact you might have a vaccine passport is not equivalent to you being incapable of passing on the virus. Given the Israeli government seems to be ignoring this study I'm certain the US government will too. The effective way to ensure a person doesn't carry the virus is through testing. If you look at countries that have gotten the virus under control its because of vigorous testing, and contact tracing which seems pretty much non-existent here. And given there are tests approved through EUA by the FDA that are self-administered and produce a result in around 15 minutes we should be taking advantage of that and doing more testing. Like checking school kids at home in the morning several times a week before school to prevent school outbreaks and closings. And keeping a focus on utilizing virus killing treatments that are either available or in P3 trials. A few of which appear to be "game changers" but get completely brushed off and ignored in the press and officialdom. I can only presume its because such a treatment would disrupt their vaccine focused approach. And as we know questioning experts is now forbidden. I can't understand why its not crystal clear to everyone, especially the people running the show here, that just vaccinating everyone is not going to stop the virus or end the pandemic. You need both immunity and you need to kill off the virus. But the vaccines don't provide long-term immunity or stop infection. They provide limited protection against serious illness for a limited amount of time. The vax is really equivalent to a pre-treatment. I feel its dishonest that all the people in charge insist to continue calling it a vaccine. And ignore many "experts" that frankly have more credible arguments and logical conclusions than they do. And while its certain that these "vaccines" are useful and effective for what they can do they are not delivering what was originally advertised. Which is the idea that by immunizing everyone so we can return to normal. Much of this is wrong. And has been proven so many times. The vaccine “limited time” narrative is hugely overblown right now. It remains the best defense because you don’t get Covid and spread it for a longer time to get that immunity. Edited August 31, 2021 by Sundancer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 2 minutes ago, Sundancer said: If everyone was vaccinated, Barry anyone would be in the hospitals. Deaths would not be above pandemic thresholds. And we wouldn’t be masking or even testing except in medical settings and maybe with the most vulnerable. It’s not that hard to understand. It’s not a conspiracy of control. We just have overwhelmed hospitals and medical care. Much of this is wrong. And has been proven so many times. The vaccine “limited time” narrative is hugely overblown right now. It remains the best defense because you don’t get Covid and spread it for a longer time to get that immunity. Completely incorrect. Just look at countries with high vaccine rates. There's no correlation to that and low case numbers. The fact that booster shots are being pushed at 6 months confirms the limited duration of immunity. 6 months. And there's a need for a viral killer. The current approach is never going to work.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundancer Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 (edited) 46 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: Completely incorrect. Just look at countries with high vaccine rates. There's no correlation to that and low case numbers. The fact that booster shots are being pushed at 6 months confirms the limited duration of immunity. 6 months. And there's a need for a viral killer. The current approach is never going to work.. Guys like you and Big Blitz who do the chicken little about the vaccines like to bring up Israel (but not Denmark and Iceland I notice). So sure let's do Israel: Tell me again how the vaccine works for a limited time and how ineffective it is. I doubt you're brave enough to do the correlational review of Iceland and Denmark. I'll repeat my point: If only the vaccinated were in the hospitals, this would be behind us. Edited August 31, 2021 by Sundancer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 1 hour ago, Sundancer said: If everyone was vaccinated, barely anyone would be in the hospitals. Deaths would not be above pandemic thresholds. And we wouldn’t be masking (in schools FFS) or even testing except in medical settings and maybe with the most vulnerable. It’s not that hard to understand. It’s not a conspiracy of control. We just have overwhelmed hospitals and medical care. I am living my life without restrictions right now. I hope to continue but suspect the unvaccinated will be filling northeastern hospitals soon and our ***** governors will react. Yep - agreed there 100%. Just give me one Bills home game before things get shut down en masse again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 1 hour ago, Sundancer said: If everyone was vaccinated, barely anyone would be in the hospitals. Deaths would not be above pandemic thresholds. And we wouldn’t be masking (in schools FFS) or even testing except in medical settings and maybe with the most vulnerable. It’s not that hard to understand. It’s not a conspiracy of control. We just have overwhelmed hospitals and medical care. I am living my life without restrictions right now. I hope to continue but suspect the unvaccinated will be filling northeastern hospitals soon and our ***** governors will react. Much of this is wrong. And has been proven so many times. The vaccine “limited time” narrative is hugely overblown right now. It remains the best defense because you don’t get Covid and spread it for a longer time to get that immunity. It is amazing how Israel has rising cases despite being the most vaccinated country, and the vaccine lasts longer than the six months but Covid is ravaging my parents retirement community right now when almost all of them got vaccinated in February. The antibodies produced by those who are at high risk drop much faster than those who are low risk. There are several smaller studies that show that the high risk people lose the antibodies quicker and they are consistent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundancer Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 48 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said: It is amazing how Israel has rising cases despite being the most vaccinated country, and the vaccine lasts longer than the six months but Covid is ravaging my parents retirement community right now when almost all of them got vaccinated in February. The antibodies produced by those who are at high risk drop much faster than those who are low risk. There are several smaller studies that show that the high risk people lose the antibodies quicker and they are consistent. Look at the above graph that is up to date from just a week ago. Israel wants more but it is doubtful it needs more. Their severe hospitalizations and deaths are among unvaccinated. Just like here. 51 minutes ago, RiotAct said: Yep - agreed there 100%. Just give me one Bills home game before things get shut down en masse again! ***** that. I want all 9 of them and 2 playoff wins. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 1 hour ago, Sundancer said: Look at the above graph that is up to date from just a week ago. Israel wants more but it is doubtful it needs more. Their severe hospitalizations and deaths are among unvaccinated. Just like here. ***** that. I want all 9 of them and 2 playoff wins. Not sure what you are referencing since you don't have any graph but in Israel of the hospitaized 59 percent were fully vaccinated, according to an Aug. 16 article from Science that cited national data tracked by Israel's largest health management organization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Just take ivermectin, ya'll. It's all good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 https://www.heritage.org/public-health/report/statistical-analysis-covid-19-breakthrough-infections-and-deaths?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=thf-tw CLOSE EVERYTHING DOWN ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundancer Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 1 hour ago, Buffalo Timmy said: Not sure what you are referencing since you don't have any graph but in Israel of the hospitaized 59 percent were fully vaccinated, according to an Aug. 16 article from Science that cited national data tracked by Israel's largest health management organization. 3 posts above yours. Straight from the IS data Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundancer Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 By the way, of the 2000 breakthrough deaths to date (as opposed to the 1000 per day dying right now), 87% are over 65. https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/health-departments/breakthrough-cases.html Again tell me that vaccines aren't working. In Virginia through 8/21 Tell me again how vaccines are not working. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 2 minutes ago, Sundancer said: By the way, of the 2000 breakthrough deaths to date (as opposed to the 1000 per day dying right now), 87% are over 65. https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/health-departments/breakthrough-cases.html Again tell me that vaccines aren't working. That definition of "working" changed and the CDC let the messaging get out of control because the AAP and NEA don't want the schools open. That and they overhyped what it does - my belief is because there is a massive segment of the population that thinks we're eradicating it. That and they want to mandate vaccines but we can't use logic and data to say in the United States, this is over, get the vaccine or not. It's your call. Covid is not a serious threat to humans but we're going to govern like it because we're insane and let it become political. Science and the United States should be taking a victory lap. Stunner we can't even get that right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 9 minutes ago, Sundancer said: By the way, of the 2000 breakthrough deaths to date (as opposed to the 1000 per day dying right now), 87% are over 65. https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/health-departments/breakthrough-cases.html Again tell me that vaccines aren't working. In Virginia through 8/21 Tell me again how vaccines are not working. Shhh. It’s about to wipe out Trump country up here in NJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Its real simple, low infos. If this was a serious health threat, vaccines would be mandated at every state level yesterday. It isn't. But the politicians will gladly let you think it is. This broke into *teams* from the beginning and they can keep it that way indefinitely because you're scared and hyper politicized. You've been played from the beginning and should be even more furious now BECAUSE YOURE VACCINATED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundancer Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 21 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: Its real simple, low infos. If this was a serious health threat, vaccines would be mandated at every state level yesterday. It isn't. But the politicians will gladly let you think it is. This broke into *teams* from the beginning and they can keep it that way indefinitely because you're scared and hyper politicized. You've been played from the beginning and should be even more furious now BECAUSE YOURE VACCINATED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 1 hour ago, Big Blitz said: You've been played from the beginning and should be even more furious now BECAUSE YOURE VACCINATED Oh yeah. I'm sure all the at risk people who got vaccinated regret their decision as they read that nearly all the deaths from Covid were among the unvaccinated. Step back from the internet and grow a brain man. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 27 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: Oh yeah. I'm sure all the at risk people who got vaccinated regret their decision as they read that nearly all the deaths from Covid were among the unvaccinated. Step back from the internet and grow a brain man. What the hell are you talking about? I didn't say they should regret their decisions. I'm saying the vaccinated shouldn't give 2 bleeps about the unvaccinated and we're done here. It's their call to get it or not. All the mandates are completely ridiculous because you're protected. Done. Are we just ignoring that logic and that the response at this point (vaccine passports, masks) are useless and pointless.....so let's just spin what I say because you can no longer defend them. Is that where you're at now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Two senior FDA vaccine regulators are stepping down Marion Gruber, director of the FDA's Office of Vaccines Research & Review, and deputy director Phil Krause will exit the agency. Their announced plans to depart come as the Biden administration prepares to begin offering Covid vaccine boosters shots to the general public. The officials were reportedly frustrated with the White House getting ahead of the agency on booster shots. Their announced plans to depart come as the Biden administration prepares to begin offering Covid vaccine booster shots to the general public the week of Sept. 20. Some health experts saw the move as premature and political, especially because the FDA hasn't finished reviewing data on boosters yet. https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/31/two-senior-fda-vaccine-regulators-are-stepping-down.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 44 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: What the hell are you talking about? I didn't say they should regret their decisions. I'm saying the vaccinated shouldn't give 2 bleeps about the unvaccinated and we're done here. It's their call to get it or not. All the mandates are completely ridiculous because you're protected. Done. Are we just ignoring that logic and that the response at this point (vaccine passports, masks) are useless and pointless.....so let's just spin what I say because you can no longer defend them. Is that where you're at now? Your kids will need to be vaccinated or they can’t attend school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 5 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: Two senior FDA vaccine regulators are stepping down Marion Gruber, director of the FDA's Office of Vaccines Research & Review, and deputy director Phil Krause will exit the agency. Their announced plans to depart come as the Biden administration prepares to begin offering Covid vaccine boosters shots to the general public. The officials were reportedly frustrated with the White House getting ahead of the agency on booster shots. Their announced plans to depart come as the Biden administration prepares to begin offering Covid vaccine booster shots to the general public the week of Sept. 20. Some health experts saw the move as premature and political, especially because the FDA hasn't finished reviewing data on boosters yet. https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/31/two-senior-fda-vaccine-regulators-are-stepping-down.html Boosters are political theater not science. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSOL Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 I dont mean to interrupt bickerfest 2021 but.... Divided we fall Which is exactly how the ruling elites like it. Bickering about stupid booster shots while the .001% sits counting their diamonds and gold... And lauging greedily. But carry on, back to the bickerfest 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beach Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 im here for the healing and unity! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 3 hours ago, Big Blitz said: You've been played from the beginning and should be even more furious now BECAUSE YOURE VACCINATED 1 hour ago, Big Blitz said: What the hell are you talking about? I didn't say they should regret their decisions. At this point do you even read what you type? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Doc Brown said: At this point do you even read what you type? Dude I literally mean you have nothing to worry about because you are vaccinated The fact they have you in masks still should be infuriating or any other mitigation for that matter. Edited August 31, 2021 by Big Blitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 1 hour ago, Big Blitz said: Dude I literally mean you have nothing to worry about because you are vaccinated The fact they have you in masks still should be infuriating or any other mitigation for that matter. part of the issue is that your initial statement reads different than it would sound as you spoke it. your overall point is true though, i am vaccinated, not high risk, and I don't wear my mask unless required. at my daughters volleyball game this week some kids on the court were wearing masks, which is all political theatre. I will protect me and you protect you, which is always the safest way to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundancer Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 I am surprised all the unvaccinated are dying. I thought hydrochloroquine was keeping them safe. 55 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said: part of the issue is that your initial statement reads different than it would sound as you spoke it. your overall point is true though, i am vaccinated, not high risk, and I don't wear my mask unless required. at my daughters volleyball game this week some kids on the court were wearing masks, which is all political theatre. I will protect me and you protect you, which is always the safest way to be. Masks are more than theater. They reduce transmission of course. Policies didn't work tough. I'm like you. Don't mask anywhere unless required or requested by a business. I will likely N95 at Bills games just because I spend a lot of time taking care of elderly relatives and that's a high transmission setting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beach Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 unvaxxed, never wore a mask, attended 2 super spreaders, never caught it. weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 33 minutes ago, Sundancer said: I am surprised all the unvaccinated are dying. I thought hydrochloroquine was keeping them safe. Masks are more than theater. They reduce transmission of course. Policies didn't work tough. I'm like you. Don't mask anywhere unless required or requested by a business. I will likely N95 at Bills games just because I spend a lot of time taking care of elderly relatives and that's a high transmission setting Where do you live Sundancer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 7 hours ago, Big Blitz said: Its real simple, low infos. If this was a serious health threat, vaccines would be mandated at every state level yesterday. It isn't. But the politicians will gladly let you think it is. This broke into *teams* from the beginning and they can keep it that way indefinitely because you're scared and hyper politicized. You've been played from the beginning and should be even more furious now BECAUSE YOURE VACCINATED You’re losing bro - better ramp up the posts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, BillStime said: You’re losing bro - better ramp up the posts You literally understand NOTHING! Very few people are truly concerned about vaccines. They’re concerned about government mandating them. There’s a difference. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 3 hours ago, Big Blitz said: Dude I literally mean you have nothing to worry about because you are vaccinated The fact they have you in masks still should be infuriating or any other mitigation for that matter. I’m odd man out. I understood your point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 18 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: You literally understand NOTHING! Very few people are truly concerned about vaccines. They’re concerned about government mandating them. There’s a difference. That and they aren't ending masks, lunacy, and hysteria. Bill doesn't get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 I’m not making this up! I just heard a radio news story out here in BLUE California where Governor Gruesome says it’s people of color that aren’t getting the shot. Clearly those are Trump’s base. 😂😂😂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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