It's Time to Mandate Vaccines

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

1 hour ago, Sundancer said:

 

Maybe at some point post Bush Obama Trump Biden, we will start reigning in executive overreach. Maybe. 

Amen to this

[Governor]

56 minutes ago, SCBills said:

My SIL has been cautioned by her doctor against the vax, due to having it twice and her immune system issues.  She would be forced to get the vax under this mandate.  
 

Nah, this is where we stop letting things slide.  Biden has gone full authoritarian with his mandates and divisive language.  
 

This never ends if we have your attitude.  

She still has to option to get weekly tests, so no, you made that up.

[SCBills]

4 minutes ago, Governor said:

She still has to option to get weekly tests, so no, you made that up.

With all due respect, **** off with that nonsense.  You know that isn’t a feasible option for most people. 

[Governor]

2 minutes ago, SCBills said:

With all due respect, **** off with that nonsense.  You know that isn’t a feasible option for most people. 

Why not?

[LeviF]

1 hour ago, Sundancer said:

When they discovered the polio vaccine, there were mass celebrations. They discover a vaccine that pretty much ends a virus that has killed more people than all the major wars of the 20th century and people are calling it a hoax and refuse to take it. 

 

PROGRESS?

 

Let's do Canada for how well vaccines work today.

 

 

 

 

 

The case has been made that Polio was a substantial risk for children.  Has there even been an effort to show that to be the case for COVID?

[SCBills]

10 minutes ago, Governor said:

Why not?

Unless the employer provides them, most people don’t have the ability to schedule an hour per week to go get tested .. and that’s assuming they can find free testing and aren’t paying for them. 
 

Urgent care/CVS offer free testing by me, but the CVS rapid tests are booked a week out. 
 

Im not vaccinated, I just got over covid so I don’t plan on getting vaccinated, but I own a small business.  This Biden overreach doesn’t affect me, but I’ve seen enough to know this doesn’t end here…

 

 I’ve seen enough to know this affects people beyond me.   I’ve seen enough to know that mandating a vaccine on people for a virus that transmits through animals and still transmits via vaccinated isn’t the cure they’ve convinced you it is.  
 

I’ve seen enough to know this is about division and distraction more so it is anything health related.  
 

This is where people like me no longer stay silent.  I will do everything in my power financially and with my time to get this POS party out of power. 
 

 

Edited September 10, 2021 by SCBills

[Sundancer]

Panama, Brazil, Argentina already passed the US. 

 

Here are the next countries to pass us. 

 

USA USA USA 

 

Nice work anti vaxxers and vax skeptics. 

 

 

 

6 minutes ago, LeviF said:

 

The case has been made that Polio was a substantial risk for children.  Has there even been an effort to show that to be the case for COVID?

 

Why don't you care about older and at risk people, who are dying in shocking numbers from Covid?

1 hour ago, SCBills said:

My SIL has been cautioned by her doctor against the vax, due to having it twice and her immune system issues.  She would be forced to get the vax under this mandate.  
 

Nah, this is where we stop letting things slide.  Biden has gone full authoritarian with his mandates and divisive language.  
 

This never ends if we have your attitude.  

 

Did you fight this hard for democracy on January 7th? 

 

I am sorry RE your sister and have no doubt that people who have legitimate medical reasons to not get it don't have to. That's a small group of people. Very small. 

Edited September 10, 2021 by Sundancer

[SCBills]

2 minutes ago, Sundancer said:

Panama, Brazil, Argentina already passed the US. 

 

Here are the next countries to pass us. 

 

USA USA USA 

 

Nice work anti vaxxers and vax skeptics. 

 

 

 

 

Why don't you care about older and at risk people, who are dying in shocking numbers from Covid?

Are the older people dying in shocking numbers vaccinated?  If so, what is your point?

[LeviF]

3 minutes ago, Sundancer said:

 

Why don't you care about older and at risk people, who are dying in shocking numbers from Covid?

 

We're talking about mandates, aren't we?  Look at the other vaccine mandates we have and tell me what the common thread is.

 

Hint: it's not "save octogenarians from cutting their miserable lives short by a few weeks."

 

As far as at risk people, I have very little pity for the vast majority of at risk people, whose "risk" could have been mitigated by pushing away from the table years ago.

Edited September 10, 2021 by LeviF

[Governor]

11 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Unless the employer provides them, most people don’t have the ability to schedule an hour per week to go get tested .. and that’s assuming they can find free testing and aren’t paying for them. 
 

Urgent care/CVS offer free testing by me, but the CVS rapid tests are booked a week out. 
 

Im not vaccinated, I just got over covid so I don’t plan on getting vaccinated, but I own a small business.  This Biden overreach doesn’t affect me, but I’ve seen enough to know this doesn’t end here…

 

 I’ve seen enough to know this affects people beyond me.   I’ve seen enough to know that mandating a vaccine on people for a virus that transmits through animals and still transmits via vaccinated isn’t the cure they’ve convinced you it is.  
 

I’ve seen enough to know this is about division and distraction more so it is anything health related.  
 

This is where people like me no longer stay silent.  I will do everything in my power financially and with my time to get this POS party out of power. 
 

 

Businesses will figure all of that out. It’s no different than being a truck driver, etc., and getting random, weekly, or monthly drug tests.

 

Her doctor is going to change that view. The number of people that can’t take the vaccine is close to 0.

[Irv]

Demented Biden has totally screwed up, among other things, the vaccinations.  Only mandating vaccinations to cover up:

 

1. Afganistan Fail
2. Border Fail
3. Gas Price Fail
4. Inflation Fail
5. Worker Shortage Fail
6. China Fail
7. Anti-Police Fail
8. Black on Black Crime Fail
9. Riot Fail
10. Anti-America Fail

Blunder Boy's "AMERICA LAST" agenda sucks.  Demented old fool and his useless dimwit VP should be impeached.

 

What

A

Mess

 

   

[SCBills]

3 minutes ago, Governor said:

Businesses will figure all of that out. It’s no different than being a truck driver, etc., and getting random, weekly, or monthly drug tests.

 

Her doctor is going to change that view. The number of people that can’t take the vaccine is close to 0.

How far are you ok with this going?  Honest question.  
 

This has been going on for a year and a half.  
 

At any point would you pushback, or are you just ok with the government taking more and more power?  
 

If this virus can be transmitted via the vaccinated, and unlike other viruses like polio, measles etc., also transmits through animals, what do you believe mass vaccination accomplishes, that natural immunity cannot?  

You do, at least, acknowledge that this is endemic, and we cannot get rid of it completely, correct?

 

 

 

Edited September 10, 2021 by SCBills

[Governor]

2 minutes ago, SCBills said:

How far are you ok with this going?  Honest question.  
 

This has been going on for a year and a half.  
 

At any point would you pushback, or are you just ok with the government taking more and more power?  
 

If this virus can be transmitted via the vaccinated, and unlike other viruses like polio, measles etc., also transmits through animals, what do you believe mass vaccination accomplishes, that natural immunity cannot?  

You do, at least, acknowledge that this is endemic, and we cannot get rid of it completely, correct?

 

 

 

It’s a vaccine dude. He isn’t taking your grandchild and sending him off to war.

 

He gave everyone plenty of time to get their ***** together and waited for FDA approval before the next logical move.

 

Everyone is this country is going to be vaccinated 6-8 months from now.

 

Once it officially weakens and becomes endemic, then it will be like a yearly flu shot. Will those shots be mandatory 3 years from now? No, I don’t have any reason to believe they will.

[SectionC3]

2 hours ago, Big Gun said:

***** you, liar!

And a good day to you too, sir. 

40 minutes ago, Governor said:

Why not?

Because the unvaccinated are generally stupid, and the stupid are generally not well-off financially.  Sad and harsh, but true.  Then again, this is ‘Merica, so if someone doesn’t want the vax and don’t want the weekly test, she or he is welcome to look for a new job.  Just don’t collect unemployment during the stay on the beach.  Because, socialism and all.  

[Westside]

15 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

And a good day to you too, sir. 

Because the unvaccinated are generally stupid, and the stupid are generally not well-off financially.  Sad and harsh, but true.  Then again, this is ‘Merica, so if someone doesn’t want the vax and don’t want the weekly test, she or he is welcome to look for a new job.  Just don’t collect unemployment during the stay on the beach.  Because, socialism and all.  

Does that include the 75% of the African American people who refuse to get vaccinated?

[Governor]

56 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

And a good day to you too, sir. 

Because the unvaccinated are generally stupid, and the stupid are generally not well-off financially.  Sad and harsh, but true.  Then again, this is ‘Merica, so if someone doesn’t want the vax and don’t want the weekly test, she or he is welcome to look for a new job.  Just don’t collect unemployment during the stay on the beach.  Because, socialism and all.  

That’s why it was necessary to put the Medicaid/Medicare requirement in there, which we all knew was coming. That knocks out a huge chunk of the “most reluctant “ unvaccinated folks.

Edited September 10, 2021 by Governor

[Sundancer]

24 minutes ago, Bidens_basement said:

Does that include the 75% of the African American people who refuse to get vaccinated?

 

100%. 

[All_Pro_Bills]

23 minutes ago, SCBills said:

How far are you ok with this going?  Honest question.  
 

This has been going on for a year and a half.  
 

At any point would you pushback, or are you just ok with the government taking more and more power?  
 

If this virus can be transmitted via the vaccinated, and unlike other viruses like polio, measles etc., also transmits through animals, what do you believe mass vaccination accomplishes, that natural immunity cannot?  

You do, at least, acknowledge that this is endemic, and we cannot get rid of it completely, correct?

 

 

 

From the perspective of the limits of government power I think the President has crossed the line here and shows no ability to restrain his dictatorial tendencies.  But that's me and how much crap are other people willing to take?  A lot more I expect until the point it impacts them directly.  

 

The other thing I see this mandate strategy as an attempt at scapegoating the un-vaccinated for the failure of a policy that focuses almost exclusively on vaccinating the population with vaccines of limited efficacy and duration to address the pandemic.  Natural immunity which is acquired by infection and recovery is something they won't even consider exists.  And if it gets mentioned the stock answer is natural immunity is "not as effective" against the virus as the vaccines.  Something we know is false referencing Israeli population studies (real life evidence) on vaccines, natural immunity, and the Delta variant which show natural immunity is around 13x more effective than the vaccine against Delta.  Please label that fact mis-information, Twitter, Facebook, and Google.  

  

Now we know that the vaccines aren't as effective as originally advertised.  Just get vaccinated and we can return to "normal".  Now the narrative has shifted to they'll keep you from getting very sick.   But keep you from getting sick period?  Apparently not.  Now the narrative has focused away from the vaccine will protect you to the un-vaccinated are a threat to you.  Never explaining how anyone could be a threat to me if the vaccines work as well as you have insisted they work.  How can anyone infect me if I have immunity?  Oh, wait, I only have immunity from getting very sick.  So I don't have immunity.  So its not really a vaccine its a pre-treatment.  And it only lasts 4 to 6 months and now I need a booster shot every 4 to 6 months.  So now the narrative shifts to protecting children.  One of the central themes and commandments of politics (you may not care about yourself but what about the children?).  Now they're pushing the vaccines on children who generally get asymptomatic, mild, or moderate cases and spice up with a zero casualty goal narrative with a lot of anecdotal stories of multitudes of children dying.  A quick check at stats at sites like the CDC shows the cases.  Maybe my county is not indicative of the country as a whole but not a single death of anyone under 30 has been reported since the outbreak began.   

 

So rather than accept reality and admit the vaccine centric strategy is a failure and adjustments to the approach and plan are needed they're doubling down on the vaccination push.  The evidence is all there if you care to look at the results and situations of the most vaccinated countries.  The threshold of "herd immunity" is reached and yet cases reappear and rise.  Are the vaccines a bust?  No they aren't.  But that alone isn't going to keep this under control or allow life to return to "normal" and scapegoating a segment of the population is hardly productive when everyone coming together here is necessary.  Not only was Biden's speech frightening from the perspective of personal freedom it was also divisive and ironic coming from a guy that ran a 2020 campaign on a theme of unity.  The great unifier, a complete fraud.

[Beach]

1 hour ago, Governor said:

It’s a vaccine dude. He isn’t taking your grandchild and sending him off to war.

 

He gave everyone plenty of time to get their ***** together and waited for FDA approval before the next logical move.

 

Everyone is this country is going to be vaccinated 6-8 months from now.

 

Once it officially weakens and becomes endemic, then it will be like a yearly flu shot. Will those shots be mandatory 3 years from now? No, I don’t have any reason to believe they will.

wanna bet?

[SCBills]

53 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

And a good day to you too, sir. 

Because the unvaccinated are generally stupid, and the stupid are generally not well-off financially.  Sad and harsh, but true.  Then again, this is ‘Merica, so if someone doesn’t want the vax and don’t want the weekly test, she or he is welcome to look for a new job.  Just don’t collect unemployment during the stay on the beach.  Because, socialism and all.  

Except the majority of people with a PhD are not vaccinated.  
 

Since you want to get personal.. Same goes for people like me, who make good money, own businesses, workout and are in shape - essentially, the people your significant other wishes you were.  
 

 

Edited September 10, 2021 by SCBills

[Governor]

10 minutes ago, Beach said:

wanna bet?

You do have the freedom to build a tree fort in the woods and never enter the public square, or use any public service ever again.

 

If you can pull that off for 2 years, I’ll send you money or food to whatever forest you’re residing in.

 

Its definitely a challenge but not impossible. You definitely wouldn’t have a job but maybe you won’t need one. You could sell furs to the other unvaccinated mountain people.

Edited September 10, 2021 by Governor

[Beach]

4 minutes ago, Governor said:

You do have the freedom to build a tree fort in the woods and never enter the public square, or use any public service ever again.

 

If you can pull that off for 2 years, I’ll send you money or food to whatever forest you’re residing in.

no tree fort.  still wanna bet?

[Governor]

Naked and Afraid “Unvaccinated and mad as all hell”

 

 

 

Edited September 10, 2021 by Governor

[SectionC3]

20 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Except the majority of people with a PhD are not vaccinated.  
 

Since you want to get personal.. Same goes for people like me, who make good money, own businesses, workout and are in shape - essentially, the people your significant other wishes you were.  
 

 

Hoax. 

[Beach]

11 minutes ago, Governor said:

Naked and Afraid “Unvaccinated and mad as hell”

yea, you dont want that bet.  

[SCBills]

1 hour ago, Governor said:

It’s a vaccine dude. He isn’t taking your grandchild and sending him off to war.

 

He gave everyone plenty of time to get their ***** together and waited for FDA approval before the next logical move.

 

Everyone is this country is going to be vaccinated 6-8 months from now.

 

Once it officially weakens and becomes endemic, then it will be like a yearly flu shot. Will those shots be mandatory 3 years from now? No, I don’t have any reason to believe they will.

Its amazing to me that people like you have become such slaves to the state that you will literally lick the boot if they tell you to.  
 

Enjoy playing your “if we just do this, it will be over..” charade.  Y’all have been doing that for about 18 months, guess it doesn’t get old. 

[John Adams]

56 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

From the perspective of the limits of government power I think the President has crossed the line here and shows no ability to restrain his dictatorial tendencies.  But that's me and how much crap are other people willing to take?  A lot more I expect until the point it impacts them directly.  

 

The other thing I see this mandate strategy as an attempt at scapegoating the un-vaccinated for the failure of a policy that focuses almost exclusively on vaccinating the population with vaccines of limited efficacy and duration to address the pandemic.  Natural immunity which is acquired by infection and recovery is something they won't even consider exists.  And if it gets mentioned the stock answer is natural immunity is "not as effective" against the virus as the vaccines.  Something we know is false referencing Israeli population studies (real life evidence) on vaccines, natural immunity, and the Delta variant which show natural immunity is around 13x more effective than the vaccine against Delta.  Please label that fact mis-information, Twitter, Facebook, and Google.  

  

Now we know that the vaccines aren't as effective as originally advertised.  Just get vaccinated and we can return to "normal".  Now the narrative has shifted to they'll keep you from getting very sick.   But keep you from getting sick period?  Apparently not.  Now the narrative has focused away from the vaccine will protect you to the un-vaccinated are a threat to you.  Never explaining how anyone could be a threat to me if the vaccines work as well as you have insisted they work.  How can anyone infect me if I have immunity?  Oh, wait, I only have immunity from getting very sick.  So I don't have immunity.  So its not really a vaccine its a pre-treatment.  And it only lasts 4 to 6 months and now I need a booster shot every 4 to 6 months.  So now the narrative shifts to protecting children.  One of the central themes and commandments of politics (you may not care about yourself but what about the children?).  Now they're pushing the vaccines on children who generally get asymptomatic, mild, or moderate cases and spice up with a zero casualty goal narrative with a lot of anecdotal stories of multitudes of children dying.  A quick check at stats at sites like the CDC shows the cases.  Maybe my county is not indicative of the country as a whole but not a single death of anyone under 30 has been reported since the outbreak began.   

 

So rather than accept reality and admit the vaccine centric strategy is a failure and adjustments to the approach and plan are needed they're doubling down on the vaccination push.  The evidence is all there if you care to look at the results and situations of the most vaccinated countries.  The threshold of "herd immunity" is reached and yet cases reappear and rise.  Are the vaccines a bust?  No they aren't.  But that alone isn't going to keep this under control or allow life to return to "normal" and scapegoating a segment of the population is hardly productive when everyone coming together here is necessary.  Not only was Biden's speech frightening from the perspective of personal freedom it was also divisive and ironic coming from a guy that ran a 2020 campaign on a theme of unity.  The great unifier, a complete fraud.

 

I see you moran. 

 

[SCBills]

50 minutes ago, John Adams said:

 

I see you moran. 

 

What do you honestly think the death rate is for covid?  

[SCBills]

Can’t answer this question, but mandating vaccines on millions of people as a job requirement.. 

 

 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

3 hours ago, SectionC3 said:

And a good day to you too, sir. 

Because the unvaccinated are generally stupid, and the stupid are generally not well-off financially.  Sad and harsh, but true.  Then again, this is ‘Merica, so if someone doesn’t want the vax and don’t want the weekly test, she or he is welcome to look for a new job.  Just don’t collect unemployment during the stay on the beach.  Because, socialism and all.  

I thought his mandate through employers was weak sauce. If he wanted to target the un vaxxed he should have manned up and said if you want federal aide, welfare, unemployment, etc, gotta get vaxxed… 

 

working people aren’t the problem 

[TSOL]

The propaganda campaign this administration is running is terrifying.  In my 50 years ive not seen propaganda and blatant mind control through mass media like i have in the last few months 

[BillStime]

 

[BillStime]

3 minutes ago, TSOL said:

The propaganda campaign this administration is running is terrifying.  In my 50 years ive not seen propaganda and blatant mind control through mass media like i have in the last few months 

 

 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

7 minutes ago, TSOL said:

The propaganda campaign this administration is running is terrifying.  In my 50 years ive not seen propaganda and blatant mind control through mass media like i have in the last few months 

Consolidation of media into a few controlled institutions led to this. The crazy fringes on both ends are destroying the middle 70 and we don’t even know it. 

[TSOL]

Just now, BillStime said:

 

 

 

 

And what is worse is ¾ of the country are guppies like this guy and are taking the bait hook line and sinker 

[BillStime]

2 minutes ago, TSOL said:

 

 

And what is worse is ¾ of the country are guppies like this guy and are taking the bait hook line and sinker 

 

Say's the guppy...

 

Meanwhile - terrifying propaganda:

 

 

 

[TSOL]

3 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

Say's the guppy...

 

Meanwhile - terrifying propaganda:

 

 

 

 

 

The biden administration must be sending this guy checks every month 

 

[BillStime]

1 minute ago, TSOL said:

 

 

The biden administration must be sending this guy checks every month 

 

 

[TSOL]

2 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

 

How much do they send you? A couple grand? 

[All_Pro_Bills]

2 hours ago, John Adams said:

 

I see you moran. 

 

Is that you Dr. Fauci?  Or another know it all drone that claims others are wrong or uninformed but yet cannot dispute a single point or produce a sound argument on anything.  Just more pictures.  3rd grade level mind.  Just pathetic..