It's Time to Mandate Vaccines

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

14 hours ago, Sundancer said:

If it was open, sure. The border continues to be a disaster but that predates March 2020. Stay on target. 
 

It was great fun to be with Bills fans despite the lackluster game. 

If the target is the health, safety and well-being of the people in this country, I’m unfortunately right over the target. 
 

If the target is to pretend things that contribute to the spread don’t, well then carry on.  
 

Glad you had a good time at the game.  I’m off to Miami later this week to see that one.  
 

 

[Beast]

4 hours ago, Governor said:

Their media always shifts back to the border when nothing else is working for them. 

 

You also forgot gas prices, the tragedy of Afghanistan, the absolute idiotic ramblings of a senile old man in the Oval Office....but add them and a few others and you are dead nuts on target.

[Governor]

Plains, trains, and automobiles.

 

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/571902-fauci-says-he-would-support-vaccine-requirements-for-air-travel

[All_Pro_Bills]

6 hours ago, Backintheday544 said:

They’re dying quicker than they would of COVID didn’t exist.

 

With older people dying more due to COVID in 2020 and 2021, we should see a decrease in expected deaths or an amount under the expected deaths in years to come.

 

Theres just no denying there is a virus and it’s killing people that would be alive if not for the virus.

Questioning things is not equivalent to denying the existence of the virus.  But based on the hysteria being generated around deaths an objective observer would be led to believe its equivalent to the Black Death that killed 50% of the population of Europe in the 1300's.  Its not.   

 

And if there was ever a wake up call to lose that extra weight, stop smoking, stop drinking, get in decent shape, add some muscle mass, cut down on your sugar intake, avoid fatty foods, and take some vitamins and minerals like vitamin C and D, and Zinc this is it.  Then maybe you won't let fear of death control you.  

 

 

Edited September 13, 2021 by All_Pro_Bills

[SoCal Deek]

8 hours ago, Governor said:

Their media always shifts back to the border when nothing else is working for them. He’s just a Hannity wind up doll. They can’t help it.

Oh I see. So we’re not supposed to talk about Covid as it relates to the border. Does this international virus have a way of checking my birth certificate? Who knew? That’s one darn smart virus!

[Sundancer]

53 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Oh I see. So we’re not supposed to talk about Covid as it relates to the border. Does this international virus have a way of checking my birth certificate? Who knew? That’s one darn smart virus!

 

The border is not the issue with why our covid cases remain high. WTF are you on? 

 

A high vaccination rate and this pretty much all comes under control. And no, Israel is not a good example. They have the 24th-ish highest vaccination rate in the world AND have a high ration of children to adults, meaning there are a lot of kids not getting vaxxed and spreading. Oh, and Israel has a pretty big anti-vax idiotic crowd. 

[B-Man]

 

 

 

The Disposable Children of the Pandemic

by Steve McCann

 

The rhetoric about and treatment of children over the past 18 months has flung open a window into the soul of America’s ruling class. As Nelson Mandela warned us, “There can be no keener revelation of a society’s soul than the way it treats its children.”

 

To those constructing the new health tyranny, children post no threat and can be treated as things, not people.

 

The budding tyranny we face was best described by C. S. Lewis: Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies.

 

 

As a result, the prevalence of obesity increased from 36% of the youth population to 46%. Suicides and attempted suicides among the young dramatically increased. There has been a 334% spike in intentional self-harm claims among 13-18-year-olds. Overdoses among the young have also increased by 119% as a percentage of all medical claims.

 

This nation has sacrificed our youths’ lives and future livelihoods in a desperate, incoherent, and flawed attempt to theoretically save the lives of 90% of the population who are under the age of 70 and experience an average covid-19 infection survival rate of 99.8%.

 

Nonetheless, children are still being mandated to wear masks at school, an inane practice that has been definitively shown to cause considerably more physical and emotional harm than good. Further, there is now an incessant drumbeat within government and political circles to mandate the Covid-19 vaccine for all children. Per Dr. Fauci: “I believe mandating vaccines for children to appear in school is a good idea.” And he expects the FDA to quickly approve their use in children.

 

 

 

 

 

More at the link: https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2021/09/the_disposable_children_of_the_pandemic.html

[LeviF]

11 hours ago, Sundancer said:

 

Vaccines are one issue. 

 

Border is another issue. 

 

The overlap between them is minimal. You inserted the border into this thread, not me. 

 

Get vaccinated, save lives, get healthcare back to relatively normal operations. It's not that complicated. 

 

 

What is “relatively normal” operations? How is this measured? And how does natural immunity not get someone there as much as a vaccine?

[Irv]

Demented Biden, or whoever is running the Executive Branch has botched this thing so badly.  Vaccinted people dying left and right.  No plan for boosters.  No plan at all.  Total dementia.  

 

What 

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[Governor]

3 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

Oh I see. So we’re not supposed to talk about Covid as it relates to the border. Does this international virus have a way of checking my birth certificate? Who knew? That’s one darn smart virus!

Have you been squirting this is your eyes and nose?

 

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/betadine-anti-vaxxer-covid-treatment-iodine-1225438/

[Sundancer]

9 hours ago, LeviF said:

What is “relatively normal” operations? How is this measured?

 

How about not canceling all elective procedures and not being over maximum normal capacity? 

 

9 hours ago, LeviF said:

 

And how does natural immunity not get someone there as much as a vaccine?

 

Natural immunity does but how is this so hard to understand: natural immunity puts morepeople in the hospital and morgue and people developing natural immunity spread more and for longer than those who are vaccinated.  

 

Today we get to do Germany for our trip to the Vaccines Work classroom. 

 

 

 

Edited September 14, 2021 by Sundancer

[SoCal Deek]

11 hours ago, Sundancer said:

 

The border is not the issue with why our covid cases remain high. WTF are you on? 

 

A high vaccination rate and this pretty much all comes under control. And no, Israel is not a good example. They have the 24th-ish highest vaccination rate in the world AND have a high ration of children to adults, meaning there are a lot of kids not getting vaxxed and spreading. Oh, and Israel has a pretty big anti-vax idiotic crowd. 

I never said it was. But it’s interesting how you don’t want to go anywhere near that topic. Apparently that’s the super spreader event that cannot be talked about….huh?

[Sundancer]

14 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

I never said it was. But it’s interesting how you don’t want to go anywhere near that topic. Apparently that’s the super spreader event that cannot be talked about….huh?

 

Go near it, to what effect? You and I likely agree 99% on border issues and solutions. I pretty much agreed with Trump (minus his numerous wall lies) and Republicans on border control.  

 

But the border is not the big issue on Covid; it's getting vaccinated that is the issue. You're just eating red meat if you want to inject the border into this. I'm not worried about the border's effect on Covid any more than I was worried at the Bills game last weekend. 

 

Get people vaccinated. 

Edited September 14, 2021 by Sundancer

[LeviF]

1 hour ago, Sundancer said:

 

How about not canceling all elective procedures and not being over maximum normal capacity? 

 

 

Natural immunity does but how is this so hard to understand: natural immunity puts morepeople in the hospital and morgue and people developing natural immunity spread more and for longer than those who are vaccinated.  

 

Today we get to do Germany for our trip to the Vaccines Work classroom. 

 

 

 

 

Well how many people already have natural immunity?  And you say "not cancelling" like that's somehow indicative of anything (it's not, hospitals are just law firms that practice medicine).  How many hospitals are currently over maximum normal capacity?

 

Btw, I am vaccinated.  But mandates are a bridge too far, especially when some of the numbers from around the world suggest that 80+% of people already have some kind of exposure (vaccine or infection) to COVID.  Not to mention the number of COVID hospitalizations that are entirely unnecessary. 

Edited September 14, 2021 by LeviF

[All_Pro_Bills]

1 hour ago, Sundancer said:

 

How about not canceling all elective procedures and not being over maximum normal capacity? 

 

 

Natural immunity does but how is this so hard to understand: natural immunity puts morepeople in the hospital and morgue and people developing natural immunity spread more and for longer than those who are vaccinated.  

 

Today we get to do Germany for our trip to the Vaccines Work classroom. 

 

 

 

I can agree on a lot of things but I'll admit.  I'm getting lost here.  I've listened to Biden, Fauci, the CDC, and all the mayors, governors, and other officials issuing statements and edicts on restrictions and mandates.  I see the benefits of the vaccine but I also see the limitations of the vaccine.  What I don't see is any admission of those limitations in official policy and goals.  

 

More or less Biden said he's issued mandatory vaccination orders primarily in order to protect the vaccinated from the un-vaccinated.  That's seems to be what everybody is worried about.  Keeping un-vaccinated out of the workplace, bars and club, shows, public places because they pose a risk to the vaccinated.  So why is that even necessary?  Because if the vaccine worked like a vaccine is defined to work an un-vaccinated and infected person can not get a vaccinated person sick.  Period.  So what the POTUS is implicitly admitting is the COVID vaccines do not work.  Because if they did work I as a vaccinated person should have no fear that un-vaccinated individual pose any risk to me.  End of story.  Its more like a prophylactic treatment.  

 

If the COVID vaccine worked like a traditional vaccine it should:

Grant immunity and protect you from getting sick, period.  In any shape, way, or form.

Prevent the virus from using the host as an incubator.

Prevent the host from passing the virus to somebody else.

Produces immunity without severe adverse side effects.

 

What the COVID vaccines do is:

Protect you from serious illness.

Provide protection for a unknown period of time.

 

So how is it possible to stop a viral outbreak with a biological agent that has those attributes?  But public policy has gone "all in" on vaccines and at this point resorted to threats and intimidation to get their way.  Which won't turn out to be very effective public policy.

[Orlando Tim]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/57-percent-vaccinated-covid-19-203448111.html

 

I have not found this elsewhere but if true it is very concerning. Keeping people at a hospital simply for the money and then complaining of being overrun is appalling. 

[Governor]

9 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/57-percent-vaccinated-covid-19-203448111.html

 

I have not found this elsewhere but if true it is very concerning. Keeping people at a hospital simply for the money and then complaining of being overrun is appalling. 

Getting a normal room with a bed is different than hogging up an ICU bed and ventilator. It’s probably the old farts.

[Orlando Tim]

2 minutes ago, Governor said:

Getting a normal room with a bed is different than hogging up an ICU bed and ventilator. It’s probably the old farts.

Who gets a hospital bed for Covid unless they need ICU care? If not ICU send them home.

[Governor]

24 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

Who gets a hospital bed for Covid unless they need ICU care? If not ICU send them home.

The Ivermectin OD patients.

 

They should be sending the unvaccinated home. They shouldn’t be receiving any care whatsoever. At this point, if you’re that stupid, it should probably cost you your life.

 

There’s plenty of other “cures” out there. Alex Jones knows what they are.

 

https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/13/health/rationing-care-hospital-beds-staff-explainer-wellness/index.html

 

 

Edited September 14, 2021 by Governor

[TSOL]

https://www.npr.org/2021/09/13/1036521499/covid-workers-resign-new-york-hospital-stops-baby-delivery

 

Here is a case where vaccine mandates are really paying off /s

 

Way to go dems, great plan. Send the unvaccinated nurses home. You know, the ones who have been working around the virus for nearly 2 years now. 

 

How are they even still alive, you may ask

[oldmanfan]

31 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

Who gets a hospital bed for Covid unless they need ICU care? If not ICU send them home.

You can't possibly be serious.  Oncology patients, post-surgery patients, patients that require care but not intensive care.  Come on now.

[Governor]

11 minutes ago, TSOL said:

https://www.npr.org/2021/09/13/1036521499/covid-workers-resign-new-york-hospital-stops-baby-delivery

 

Here is a case where vaccine mandates are really paying off /s

 

Way to go dems, great plan. Send the unvaccinated nurses home. You know, the ones who have been working around the virus for nearly 2 years now. 

 

How are they even still alive, you may ask

They should all be fired. You can’t be unvaccinated and expect anyone to believe you care about the health of others. 
 

Time for the HC “actors” to find a new career.

[TSOL]

4 minutes ago, Governor said:

They should all be fired. You can’t be unvaccinated and expect anyone to believe you care about the health of others. 
 

Time for the HC “actors” to find a new career.

 

 

They dont need it, they are immune. They have been working in a hospital and probably have been exposed to it the whole time.

 

Do you really not understand that? 

 

 

This appeasing the lowest common denominator is making me crazy 

[Sundancer]

3 minutes ago, TSOL said:

 

 

They dont need it, they are immune. They have been working in a hospital and probably have been exposed to it the whole time.

 

Do you really not understand that? 

 

 

 

Derp. 

 

My wife and most of her co-workers are in healthcare and worked with the sickest of the sick through Covid. 2 of about 20 got Covid. The rest did not and of course got vaccinated (because they listen to their doctors), the moment they could. My brother and his girlfriend worked on the Buffalo Covid ward set aside at [forget hospital he was assigned to for that duty] and neither got Covid. 

 

Just because you're working around sick people doesn't mean that you will get sick. 

[Governor]

14 minutes ago, TSOL said:

 

 

They dont need it, they are immune. They have been working in a hospital and probably have been exposed to it the whole time.

 

Do you really not understand that? 

 

 

This appeasing the lowest common denominator is making me crazy 

Anyone serving the public in any fashion, cops, teachers, etc. need to be vaccinated or they need to hit the road. The public is done with this.

Edited September 14, 2021 by Governor

[Sundancer]

2 hours ago, LeviF said:

 

Well how many people already have natural immunity?  And you say "not cancelling" like that's somehow indicative of anything (it's not, hospitals are just law firms that practice medicine).  How many hospitals are currently over maximum normal capacity?

 

Btw, I am vaccinated.  But mandates are a bridge too far, especially when some of the numbers from around the world suggest that 80+% of people already have some kind of exposure (vaccine or infection) to COVID.  Not to mention the number of COVID hospitalizations that are entirely unnecessary. 

 

I am not trying to be confrontational but ask out of curiosity. Did you ever mind the vaccine mandates before the potential covid vaccine mandates? 

 

I understand the differences, that Covid is less dangerous than polio, mumps, etc., but it's also way more contagious. 

 

I never gave the other vaccines a second thought for me or my kid. Just followed doctor's advice and took them. It's interesting that so many people now decide they know better than their doctors. Why is that? 

 

[TSOL]

Natural is ALWAYS better than man made. Thats why. 

[oldmanfan]

33 minutes ago, TSOL said:

 

 

They dont need it, they are immune. They have been working in a hospital and probably have been exposed to it the whole time.

 

Do you really not understand that? 

 

 

This appeasing the lowest common denominator is making me crazy 

You don't know that unless they are tested for antibodies.  At my health care network we had to report symptoms every day coming into work, and if we answered yes to any then we had to get tested and if positive you're gone for 10 days.

 

Bottom line if you work in health care you have to be responsible towards your patients.  Flu vaccine are mandatory for many health care organizations and Covid vaccines should be no different.

[Westside]

49 minutes ago, Governor said:

They should all be fired. You can’t be unvaccinated and expect anyone to believe you care about the health of others. 
 

Time for the HC “actors” to find a new career.

Spoken like a true Marxist

[TSOL]

1 minute ago, oldmanfan said:

You don't know that unless they are tested for antibodies.  At my health care network we had to report symptoms every day coming into work, and if we answered yes to any then we had to get tested and if positive you're gone for 10 days.

 

Bottom line if you work in health care you have to be responsible towards your patients.  Flu vaccine are mandatory for many health care organizations and Covid vaccines should be no different.

 

 

This is too new to all of us. Medical professionals included. People need to be comfortable with a vaccine that was put out, by an industrialized drug manufacturer, so fast. 

 

Im not ant vax, im anti mandates though. 

This country has been over medicating for quite some time now 

[Governor]

Anyone that’s still unvaccinated and is in the public sector will unfortunately have to be gone. You’re telling everyone that you make really bad decisions and no one should want their children around them because bad things will eventually occur if you surround yourself with them enough times.

 

As a nation, we should take this opportunity to strengthen our public sector and weed out those people, cult members, etc. They aren’t fit to be serving the public. Someone obviously made a mistake hiring them in the first place and this is an easy fix. There’s no acceptable excuse at this point. They were giving the vaccine to cancer patients right out of the gate.

Edited September 14, 2021 by Governor

[The Frankish Reich]

43 minutes ago, TSOL said:

Natural is ALWAYS better than man made. Thats why. 

???

Blood letting was "natural."

Herbalists are all "natural"

Steve Jobs eschewed modern science in favor of a "natural" cure for his pancreatic cancer.

[Big Blitz]

Biden seeks to get 70% of world vaccinated within a year, as unvaccinated Americans continue to account for most COVID cases and deaths

 

https://on.mktw.net/396CED2

 

 

 

Translation:

 

 

Expect chaos, supply chain issues, labor shortages, and lunacy to continue well into 2022 and beyond.   

[B-Man]

2 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

Biden seeks to get 70% of world vaccinated within a year, as unvaccinated Americans continue to account for most COVID cases and deaths

https://on.mktw.net/396CED2

Translation:

 

Expect chaos, supply chain issues, labor shortages, and lunacy to continue well into 2022 and beyond.   

 

 

Wait till U.S. truckers go on strike.

 

 

 

[B-Man]

1 hour ago, Governor said:

They should all be fired. You can’t be unvaccinated and expect anyone to believe you care about the health of others. 
 

Time for the HC “actors” to find a new career.

 

 

Maternity nurses who have devoted most of their lives to helping people,

 

are "Actors" to the governor, because they don't agree with him.

 

 

Most of your posts are over the top bullsh*t, but you really outdid yourself here.

 

 

40 year nurse - B-Man

[LeviF]

49 minutes ago, Sundancer said:

 

I am not trying to be confrontational but ask out of curiosity. Did you ever mind the vaccine mandates before the potential covid vaccine mandates? 

 

I understand the differences, that Covid is less dangerous than polio, mumps, etc., but it's also way more contagious. 

 

I never gave the other vaccines a second thought for me or my kid. Just followed doctor's advice and took them. It's interesting that so many people now decide they know better than their doctors. Why is that? 

 

 

There are two salient differences between previous mandates and this one.  The first being who imposes them, and the second being the impact the diseases have on those who have little choice in how much they are exposed - children.  I won't concede that vaccine mandates are ever good but I will point out that this is different on those two fronts.

 

The other line here is that you seem to be employing a bit of a reverse slippery slope argument - "you had no issue with smallpox vax mandates, diphtheria, pertussis, etc. so why object to a COVID vaccine mandate?"

 

Truth of the matter is that a vaccine mandate could be a valid measure for a sane, responsible government.  But there's a strong argument to be made that this is an insane, irresponsible (and possibly even malicious) government.  I think this is what folks are getting at when they bring up the border.  It's hard to look at the deliberate HR sabotage at the border, or the import of hundreds of thousands of Afghans, and also believe that the next big move isn't also done out of malice or at the very least incredible irresponsibility. 

 

And as far as following the advice of doctors - individuals in my demographic rarely sees a medical professional unless they're acutely ill, in my experience.  So the only "doctors" they have to receive advice from are the "public health" professionals trotted out on TV and in pop news whose views on what is and is not a "public health" crisis tend to change with the political winds.  Trust is earned in a lifetime, lost in a day, and I get the feeling that the very public hypocrisy on display over the past year and a half has lost a lot of trust.

[Governor]

8 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

Maternity nurses who have devoted most of their lives to helping people,

 

are "Actors" to the governor, because they don't agree with him.

 

 

Most of your posts are over the top bullsh*t, but you really outdid yourself here.

 

 

40 year nurse - B-Man

I wouldn’t let an unvaccinated person feed my cats when I’m gone. Cats can get Covid.

 

Being unvaccinated tells me almost everything about a person. It’s not like these people are hiding in plain site. They unleash their petty political views anytime they get the chance, which I also think is a fireable offense for a public servant.

 

Your average cable installer can’t leave your house without you knowing how he feels about the border and CRT.

 

Thats was unacceptable behavior back in the 70’s and 80’s. People didn’t do that. I would never drop hints like that while I’m working. 

Edited September 14, 2021 by Governor

[TSOL]

32 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

???

Blood letting was "natural."

Herbalists are all "natural"

Steve Jobs eschewed modern science in favor of a "natural" cure for his pancreatic cancer.

 

 

I have asked this question before and nobody has answered so ill ask again.

 

Who gets more sick? A guy that works in a sewer? Or a guy who hand sanitizes ever time he opens a door? 

[B-Man]

Just now, Governor said:

 

 

 

Being unvaccinated tells me almost everything about a person. It’s not like these people are hiding in plain site.

 

They unleash their petty political views anytime they get the chance, which I also think is a fireable offense for a public servant.

 

 

 

In plain sight alright.

 

No one, NO ONE !!! can disagree with the vaccination viewpoint of the governor.

 

those MILLIONS of people are scum to him. 

 

These nurses, and the thousands of others that you so casually judge, know more about this than you ever will.

 

Unvaccinated ? do you think that covid is the ONLY disease out there ?

 

Medical workers are exposed to EVERY type of virus and disease and they continue to work on patients using "common sense" preventions.

 

Just stick to bloviating about things you know...........................oh that's right.

 

 

 

 

More B.S.

 

Didn't the number 43 give it away ?

 

 

 

[Governor]

3 minutes ago, TSOL said:

 

 

I have asked this question before and nobody has answered so ill ask again.

 

Who gets more sick? A guy that works in a sewer? Or a guy who hand sanitizes ever time he opens a door? 

Stop it George Carlin. I love him too but that mindset doesn’t work with an airborne virus in a country that has 400 million people.