Royale with Cheese Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 16 hours ago, Gene1973 said: Allen will regress, yes. So will the team overall, they were overachievers last season. They will not go 6-0 in the division again. Last season with no crowds was anomalous. No crowd noise had a lot to do with Allen's play IMO. He'll come back down to earth and play more like 2019 than 2020. You were spot on with your predictions last year. Dolphins won the division and the Bills didn’t make the playoffs right? 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 In a historical sense, it's a real threat. That said, how can you defend a guy that doesn't know what he will do from play to play? Run the play, take off running, bail on everything and make throws nobody else can. Allen isn't like anybody to come out in god knows how long. That doesn't mean he is the best but his game is the definition of exotic. If teams get ahead of Daboll it could slow Josh down, but I'm confident if that happens the Bills will adjust. I expect Allen to improve despite knowing most would recede. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 11 hours ago, Gene1973 said: I only visit that site to watch game reactions when they play the Bills. Other than that, don't visit much. Same with the Pats and Jets forums. Aka he funds the other teams websites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 On 6/26/2021 at 4:34 AM, Gene1973 said: Allen will regress, yes. So will the team overall, they were overachievers last season. They will not go 6-0 in the division again. Last season with no crowds was anomalous. No crowd noise had a lot to do with Allen's play IMO. He'll come back down to earth and play more like 2019 than 2020. Does it really need to be explained to you that all teams had the same situation with crowd noise go play in traffic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 1 hour ago, John from Riverside said: Does it really need to be explained to you that all teams had the same situation with crowd noise go play in traffic Sadly, it does need explained to him. And even sadder yet….. it won’t help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 15 minutes ago, Gene1973 said: I think because Allen was still developing it helped him in a way that crowd noise this season will likely hurt more than most think it will. I only bet money in the stock market, so sports predictions for me are unconsequential. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted June 27, 2021 Author Share Posted June 27, 2021 58 minutes ago, Gene1973 said: I think because Allen was still developing it helped him in a way that crowd noise this season will likely hurt more than most think it will. I only bet money in the stock market, so sports predictions for me are unconsequential. Bolded So that's garbage... as much as crowd noise goes against QB's in away games... That much more will help QB's in home games. Another horrible narrative. There is a old saying in sports talk.. If you are going to say something that might not be popular... prepare to put your money where your mouth is. as for what you do in the stock market? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 Sheesh! If Allen does happen to regress...there will be more drinking than usual! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Gene1973 said: I think because Allen was still developing it helped him in a way that crowd noise this season will likely hurt more than most think it will. I only bet money in the stock market, so sports predictions for me are unconsequential. Your a joke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 https://www.yahoo.com/sports/espn-makes-case-bills-josh-141646296.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 4 minutes ago, Figster said: https://www.yahoo.com/sports/espn-makes-case-bills-josh-141646296.html ESPN makes case that Bills’ Josh Allen could be even better in 2021 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 59 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: it's all intentional. trying to get a rise and looks as though he succeeded. it's best to just ignore the nonsense he posts and realize that he has absolutely no idea what he is talking about. although he'll try to fool some with his articulate words, like he has some football knowledge but it's obvious he has no clue. as for poll/question. no way JA regresses. matter of fact, he'll likely have as good or better year in '21 then (hopefully hoisting up the lombardi) he had in '20? crowd noise affects his game negatively, that's a laugh. He’s my favorite source of humor on this board. It’s pretty epic stuff. When gene is dormant, I don’t laugh as much. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 On 6/26/2021 at 7:34 AM, Gene1973 said: Allen will regress, yes. So will the team overall, they were overachievers last season. They will not go 6-0 in the division again. Last season with no crowds was anomalous. No crowd noise had a lot to do with Allen's play IMO. He'll come back down to earth and play more like 2019 than 2020. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artful Dodger Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 He's bound to regress a little. Even the best qb's don't play at an MVP level every year. However, in his career, he'll have at least a few more years like the last one. If he doesn't regress and he plays every year like he did last year, he'll be in the running to be among the best of all time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 7 hours ago, Gene1973 said: I only bet money in the stock market, so sports predictions for me are unconsequential. Are you going to tell me how much you bench next? 1 hour ago, Gene1973 said: I'm dormant more often now because football is becoming less important as I age. It's just not as big a deal as when I was in college during the "glory years". It's sad that glory years equates to perenially losing Super Bowls though... So its becoming less important with age but at the same it motivates you to come on message boards to consistently post negatively? How often so you use the phrase “I would like to speak to your Manager”. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 3 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: Are you going to tell me how much you bench next? So its becoming less important with age but at the same it motivates you to come on message boards to consistently post negatively? How often so you use the phrase “I would like to speak to your Manager”. Don’t make him go away!!! We need to make him feel comfortable so he comes out to play more often 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 10 minutes ago, Gene1973 said: I posted a heck of a lot more on BBMB back in the day, and if the internet was around in the early 90's would have been even more. I don't get the benching quip. What I was saying is betting on sports is foolish in comparison to stocks. The "money where your mouth is" is a load of crap. You don't see NFL talking heads getting fired for all their bad takes on predictions. Get over yourselves tbh... I brought up the benching quip because you wanted to let us know you're above sports betting because you're a stock man. Get over yourself tbh.... And to the other point, why is sports becoming less important to you but more motivated to negative about the Bills? "I don't post much on here but when I do, I make sure everything I post is negative and want everyone to know it." I mean isn't it common sense if you consistently post negative about a team on that teams message board...it won't be received well? Especially when they were one game away from the Super Bowl the year before? But you seem like you're doubling down on pessimism for this year. "I was full of bad takes last year so I'm going to start this year with the same view." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 15 hours ago, Gene1973 said: I'm dormant more often now because football is becoming less important as I age. It's just not as big a deal as when I was in college during the "glory years". It's sad that glory years equates to perenially losing Super Bowls though... Football is becoming less important to you b.c the Bills are now winning and you don't like that. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 I am sure over the next 15 years or so Allen's numbers will go up and down from previous years. I am sure Brady had years where his numbers regressed as well Bottom line is as long as the Bills are competitive and can win a couple of Super Bowls during Allen's career then I really won't care what his numbers are. I see Josh having the type of career with the Bills that Ben has had with the Steelers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 (edited) I believe his stats may regress, but overall he'll likely be a better QB, if that makes any sense to you. If it doesn't make sense to you, well, I'm just keeping my streak going. Edited June 29, 2021 by dollars 2 donuts 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 No! Read Greg Cosell’s article! Allen will be even better! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 6 hours ago, dollars 2 donuts said: I believe his stats may regress, but overall he likely be a better QB, if that makes any sense to you. If it doesn't make sense to you, well, I'm just keeping my streak going. Makes perfect sense to me and I tried pointing that out a while ago in this same thread. Too many people equate being a passer with being a QB, when passing is only part of the job. Allen can literally improve in every other facet of being a QB (things he needs to improve, btw) and see less yards, less TDs, and lower completion % than last season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 (edited) If he does regress, I don't think it will be enough to hurt. I hope that if he does regress some as far as the stats go that it will be because the running game has improved a lot, therefor running the ball more. Edited June 28, 2021 by Patrick_Duffy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 22 minutes ago, Patrick_Duffy said: If he does regress, I don't think it will be enough to hurt. I hope that if he does regress some as far as the stats go that it will be because the running game has improved a lot, therefor running the ball more. Technically he would regress if he throws for one less yard and TD. I think we will be okay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastport bills Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 I don't expect Josh to regress but he will not take any Dcoordinators by surprise. They will make our running game show up and try to keep Josh in the pocket. If our O-line holds up and the backs play better, we will dictate terms with most defenses on the schedule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick the Greek Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 He had an MVP season last year, so even if he regresses a little, he’d still be a stud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 (edited) 17 hours ago, K-9 said: Makes perfect sense to me and I tried pointing that out a while ago in this same thread. Too many people equate being a passer with being a QB, when passing is only part of the job. Allen can literally improve in every other facet of being a QB (things he needs to improve, btw) and see less yards, less TDs, and lower completion % than last season. K-9, I would have upvoted you. Sorry I missed it. This was one of those times where I read the OP and then just responded. I am in the same wagon with you. Edited June 29, 2021 by dollars 2 donuts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 On 6/28/2021 at 8:37 AM, Royale with Cheese said: I brought up the benching quip because you wanted to let us know you're above sports betting because you're a stock man. Get over yourself tbh.... And to the other point, why is sports becoming less important to you but more motivated to negative about the Bills? "I don't post much on here but when I do, I make sure everything I post is negative and want everyone to know it." I mean isn't it common sense if you consistently post negative about a team on that teams message board...it won't be received well? Especially when they were one game away from the Super Bowl the year before? But you seem like you're doubling down on pessimism for this year. "I was full of bad takes last year so I'm going to start this year with the same view." I'm not always grumpy. But I am when I post on two Bills drive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 7 minutes ago, Gene1973 said: It's a comparison between the early 90's and today, the only times in the SB era the Bills were "good enough". One era has the internet, the other did not. Age is a function of positivity in most humans. Also, if one ages and negativity does not increase, even by the smallest margin, it's anomalous. i'm happier and less negative/aggressive as i get older. i'm smart enough now to know what's worth fighting for or completely ignoring, (most of the time). you're perspective just sucks gene. turn that ***** around. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 40 minutes ago, Gene1973 said: You can gain happiness as you age if you reduce stress and gain financial freedom as well as maintain a healthy living. I am much happier these days than I was in college, because college was difficult mentally & financially. That's the stuff "worth fighting for", a future with more freedoms of choice. However, sports entertainment, is simply not in that category, nor should it be. I was much more invested in the success of the Buffalo Bills in my late teens/ early twenty's than I am these days, this is primarily because as one ages, their long term investments are on a shorter and shorter leash to actually provide some ROI or risk loss of interest or outright banishment. The Bills have been terrible at providing any ROI for decades. I can look back and see that in the 90's I was a Bills homer, and not sufficiently subjective, this I attribute to young age. Subjectivity should increase with with age, along with pessimism, and yes, negativity. That's part of growing up, you're more skeptical as you have experienced more of humanity's BS. If not, you might be a NPC/lemming, or maybe a clueless hippy. (If hippies didn't so strongly resist nuclear power plants, our carbon emissions would be lower these days, as an aside on what can happen if you don't employ critical thinking). The key to not becoming a get off my lawn guy is to continually introduce new iterests, which leaves less time for older long term intetests. Which is fine. If the Bills win the SB this season, that would be cool, it would however not be life changing, it might have been if they had won in the early 90's. As far as Allen regressing, statistcally, that's seems a given, as repeating or exceeding the performance of last season is unlikely. Now, if Allen is a unicorn as some would say, then it is possible. I don't think he's a unicorn, the lack of crowd noise came at the perfect time for his development cycle, and returning of the audience especially home games will adversely affect his performance IMO. Unless the Sanatra thing is a genuine technique. I'm sorry but that's not universal, that's just you and that's the way you choose to live your life. Viewing life negatively is a choice and that's your choice. You have decided with age to be motivated by negativity and you want to let everyone on this board to know your pessimistic view of the Bills all the time. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 1 hour ago, Gene1973 said: You can gain happiness as you age if you reduce stress and gain financial freedom as well as maintain a healthy living. I am much happier these days than I was in college, because college was difficult mentally & financially. That's the stuff "worth fighting for", a future with more freedoms of choice. However, sports entertainment, is simply not in that category, nor should it be. I was much more invested in the success of the Buffalo Bills in my late teens/ early twenty's than I am these days, this is primarily because as one ages, their long term investments are on a shorter and shorter leash to actually provide some ROI or risk loss of interest or outright banishment. The Bills have been terrible at providing any ROI for decades. I can look back and see that in the 90's I was a Bills homer, and not sufficiently subjective, this I attribute to young age. Subjectivity should increase with with age, along with pessimism, and yes, negativity. That's part of growing up, you're more skeptical as you have experienced more of humanity's BS. If not, you might be a NPC/lemming, or maybe a clueless hippy. (If hippies didn't so strongly resist nuclear power plants, our carbon emissions would be lower these days, as an aside on what can happen if you don't employ critical thinking). The key to not becoming a get off my lawn guy is to continually introduce new iterests, which leaves less time for older long term intetests. Which is fine. If the Bills win the SB this season, that would be cool, it would however not be life changing, it might have been if they had won in the early 90's. As far as Allen regressing, statistcally, that's seems a given, as repeating or exceeding the performance of last season is unlikely. Now, if Allen is a unicorn as some would say, then it is possible. I don't think he's a unicorn, the lack of crowd noise came at the perfect time for his development cycle, and returning of the audience especially home games will adversely affect his performance IMO. Unless the Sanatra thing is a genuine technique. this is the typical gene nonsense style of thinking. this is completely you being in your own head. that's it. i'm far less negative than i have ever been, mostly because i realize what has substance in life. you're someone that still let's the minutia of life get you bent out of shape. life isn't always easy, but it's pretty obvious you frame most things in a negative light, just that's because it's who you are. so be it, but to think people that don't share your ***** view of the world are lemming or hippies, is just plain embarrassing on your part. again gene, get your ***** together you sad sack. change you perspective and maybe, just maybe your life will improve. it sounds like it desperately needs to. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 If statistically Allens numbers go down in the passing game yet Buffalo wins a championship do you call this regression? A better run game could accomplish both IMO. Myself personally, getting the O set for the right play at the right time run or pass is much more important then QB stats IMO. and I think Josh Allen gets it... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 On 6/23/2021 at 2:45 PM, PrimeTime101 said: I have seen on these boards of people thinking Allen will regress.. time to put your name with the words in a poll Lets hear the answer folks... I am interested... Do most of you really think Josh Allen will regress? The answer is clear: Most of us think he will be better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted June 30, 2021 Author Share Posted June 30, 2021 26 minutes ago, NewEra said: The answer is clear: Most of us think he will be better Thanks NewEra. I found it interesting what some thought player regression meant. some thinks/thought its stats based. But we are talking about the player as a whole. If stats go down but he becomes a better in other tangibles then that is not player regression... That is just stat regression. I think in stats alone, that is where opinions are split. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 On 6/27/2021 at 1:46 AM, KzooMike said: In a historical sense, it's a real threat. That said, how can you defend a guy that doesn't know what he will do from play to play? Run the play, take off running, bail on everything and make throws nobody else can. Allen isn't like anybody to come out in god knows how long. That doesn't mean he is the best but his game is the definition of exotic. If teams get ahead of Daboll it could slow Josh down, but I'm confident if that happens the Bills will adjust. I expect Allen to improve despite knowing most would recede. So this brings up a relevant ancillary point. Opinion on Daboll is mixed on this forum. He won Assistant Coach of the Year last season, and PFF (fwiw) rates him the 2nd best play caller in the league, after Matt LaFleur of the Packers. Some here have expressed a far more negative opinion of him. So, if he's a creative genius, he's well aware of the fact that the rest of the league is dissecting his offense to figure out how to shut it down, and he's fully capable of coming up with new wrinkles and staying ahead of the herd. If he's not, one factor in any observed "regression" on the part of Josh Allen might be that our offense has been "solved" and we have not "evolved" to match it. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 My heart is telling me he's going to keep trending upwards statistically, but my mind says that his stats will go down, but not due to any fault of his own. I think Daboll will better address the run game this off-season taking the pressure off of Allen to win every game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted June 30, 2021 Author Share Posted June 30, 2021 23 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: So this brings up a relevant ancillary point. Opinion on Daboll is mixed on this forum. He won Assistant Coach of the Year last season, and PFF (fwiw) rates him the 2nd best play caller in the league, after Matt LaFleur of the Packers. Some here have expressed a far more negative opinion of him. So, if he's a creative genius, he's well aware of the fact that the rest of the league is dissecting his offense to figure out how to shut it down, and he's fully capable of coming up with new wrinkles and staying ahead of the herd. If he's not, one factor in any observed "regression" on the part of Josh Allen might be that our offense has been "solved" and we have not "evolved" to match it. I think we need more creative plays like the flip pass to McKenzie. I think we need to roll with different ways with the screen.. things of that nature. Sad part is, if Daboll looks more genius this year, say good by to him the next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 1 hour ago, PrimeTime101 said: I think we need more creative plays like the flip pass to McKenzie. I think we need to roll with different ways with the screen.. things of that nature. Sad part is, if Daboll looks more genius this year, say good by to him the next. I, too, would like to see more effective use of the screen pass but we need good TE blocking (at least the ones I've seen Daboll design) and an RB who's a better pass catcher would help, too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 55 minutes ago, Gene1973 said: It's not viewing life negatively... You specifically said negativity should increase with age…. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 On 6/28/2021 at 11:56 AM, Rocket94 said: No! Read Greg Cosell’s article! Allen will be even better! Link-y? All I saw from Cosell was calling him "the most physically talented QB in the league" which may be true - but the mental aspect of the game is hugely important Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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