Rochesterfan Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Frat-Train said: And it’s THAT kinda attitude that will see Johnson take his all pro, generational talent to somewhere crazy like San Fran or Detroit. DAMMIT! In bigger news... Chris Watson may be considering a comeback!!! Discuss.... That is great news - we can always use a punt catcher on the team. A great use of special teams resources. 😂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 8 hours ago, Sherlock Holmes said: How about Hertz? Hurst and Ertz! Hell! Why not. Everyone else seems to be getting double TE sets! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 (edited) This is the final piece and now Ertz is being dealt. Right?!?!?! Who's checking the Pegulas plane right now?!? Edited June 12, 2021 by DJB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 (edited) 12 hours ago, Einstein's Dog said: How do you figure $1.5M? Someone on here had said cutting him released $3.2M and trading him was worth $4M. I see on salarysport Butler is listed as total $4.3M. But, yes, I agree, getting both Ertz and Nelson is very unlikely. $3M salary, half guaranteed. Oh, geez, you're talking about a trade here, not a cut. OK, my fault, all $3M will be saved. Roster bonus already paid. $1M of his signing bonus not yet accounted for, but must be. So, they'd save $3M. Sorry, my bone-headed mistake. $2.2M would be dead cap if they trade him, the roster bonus and the unamortized signing bonus. Cutting him would only save $1.5M. Trading him saves $3M plus whatever part of his workout bonus ($100K total) remained unpaid. Edited June 12, 2021 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeFrommStateFarm Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 On 6/11/2021 at 8:14 AM, DJB said: Even if we trade for Ertz...please be prepared for some dissapointment. Ertz is toast and a shell of his former self. Eagles fans agree with that as well. Ertz had a very bad Wentz throwing to him last season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
first_and_ten Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 37 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: isn't that a facemask. likely only a 5 yd facemask? Talk of Bills’ interest in Ertz lingers into summer There aren't any 5 yard face mask penalties any more. They are all 15 yards 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 51 minutes ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said: Ertz had a very bad Wentz throwing to him last season Agreed. And Wentz/Hurts had a very Ertz to throw to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Says Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 On 6/10/2021 at 9:35 PM, Buffalo_Stampede said: Maybe they always planned to do the deal in June once they created cap space. This is probably the most likely scenario. I mean Ertz started following Buffalo Bills and Josh Allen . I'm guessing this has been done for a while. I think Sweeney is going to Philly as part of the trade as well. I would try to keep Sweeney. Ertz will likely only be in Buffalo for a year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
first_and_ten Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 38 minutes ago, Georgie said: I would try to keep Sweeney. Ertz will likely only be in Buffalo for a year He might do two or three years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 1 hour ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said: Ertz had a very bad Wentz throwing to him last season True and it definitely affected Ertz numbers wise. But when I watch him hes really lumbering and has trouble separating. Physically he looks near cooked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
first_and_ten Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 1 minute ago, DJB said: True and it definitely affected Ertz numbers wise. But when I watch him hes really lumbering and has trouble separating. Physically he looks near cooked Maybe he needed some rest. We could have a very motivated Ertz!! We wouldn't need him to be the player he was in Philly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 Personally, I'd love to see Beane make a move for Ertz and Richard Sherman. Even if only for one year. Quick bandaids for positions of need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 Beane is not a guy to ponder roster decissions in the media. Just like edge rusher. Edge rusher was a concern. Beane drafted a guy in Rd 1 and 2. One offseason he signed 6 olineman. Another he signed 2 wrs day 1 of FA. What I am saying is that if he was worried about it he would fix it. Imo he is trying to motivate Knox to hopefully take a step. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 18 minutes ago, first_and_ten said: Maybe he needed some rest. We could have a very motivated Ertz!! We wouldn't need him to be the player he was in Philly. He did suffer through a high ankle sprain most of the year and missed 5 games as a result as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in Mich Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 It seems we must have some offer on the table for Ertz at this point. Since a trade for him hasn’t happened, we can assume the Eagles want more than our offer. We can also assume the Eagles aren’t waiting on Buffalo, so no one else’s offer has been deemed good enough either. Sweetening the offer might get it done but we don’t really have a strong need either. I think I would be going the other way. If, hypothetically we have offered a 5th, I would make it clear that is only through a certain date, say July 1st for example. After that date, the offer becomes a 6th. The guy may be worth more but, then again, apparently not if no one is surpassing our offer. The market pretty much demonstrates a player’s worth at a given time. I guess I would like to have him but don’t see why we need to chase. The Eagles have to do something. We don’t really 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boxcar Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 50 minutes ago, Mat68 said: Beane is not a guy to ponder roster decissions in the media. Just like edge rusher. Edge rusher was a concern. Beane drafted a guy in Rd 1 and 2. One offseason he signed 6 olineman. Another he signed 2 wrs day 1 of FA. What I am saying is that if he was worried about it he would fix it. Imo he is trying to motivate Knox to hopefully take a step. Well, the ten million dollar question in that case is...what is he using the Diggs restructure for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 1 minute ago, Boxcar said: Well, the ten million dollar question in that case is...what is he using the Diggs restructure for? Well he immediately used it to sign our first round pick as that happened immediately afterwards. He is also working on extensions for Tremaine and Josh - so he could roll it over. He could be waiting until camp cut downs as he has typically signed 1-2 veterans that get cut out of other camps. He could be looking at a couple of players. There are a bunch of options or he could be waiting on a trade. This rumor has been going on so long - I think there is less smoke/fire and more embers that certain FOs are trying to stoke. If the Bills really wanted Ertz - this would have gone down with the draft. Now it is just a waiting game - as I don’t think the Bills really want a trade - I think they are looking for a cut and sign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
first_and_ten Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 43 minutes ago, DJB said: He did suffer through a high ankle sprain most of the year and missed 5 games as a result as well. Yes, an injury he can recover from Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Augie Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 23 hours ago, DJB said: This is the final piece and now Ertz is being dealt. Right?!?!?! Who's checking the Pegulas plane right now?!? I’m hoping Josina “Nostradamus” Anderson can add a when to the what. So far, zippo. Time will tell, but I think it’s safe to say we would like to get better at EVERY position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 53 minutes ago, Augie said: I’m hoping Josina “Nostradamus” Anderson can add a when to the what. So far, zippo. Time will tell, but I think it’s safe to say we would like to get better at EVERY position. Impossible at QB am I right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 1 minute ago, DJB said: Impossible at QB am I right? I’d agree, but there IS a would you trade Josh for Mahomes thread. 🤷♂️ I can’t always make sense of this place. I am merely a mortal….. (Although we did address QB #2, but that’s another story.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein's Dog Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 15 hours ago, Bob in Mich said: It seems we must have some offer on the table for Ertz at this point. Since a trade for him hasn’t happened, we can assume the Eagles want more than our offer. We can also assume the Eagles aren’t waiting on Buffalo, so no one else’s offer has been deemed good enough either. No, you cannot assume the Eagles want more than the Bills offer. It's at least as likely IMO, that Ertz' contract is the roadblock. I would think/hope any trade the Bills have with Philly would be contingent on having a signed contract with Ertz. The Bills need to have a contract that is close to Fair Market Value (FMV) for Ertz because everyone knows if Philly can't move him, they'll cut him. But what is FMV for Ertz? Kittle/Kelce are at $14-15M, J Smith/Henry $12.5, Hooper $10, Pitts 8.5. And how long of a contract do the Bills/Ertz want? This is a difficult contract. The Bills/Philly could have a deal in place, say a 5th (or maybe Butler and a 4th), contingent upon the Bills signing Ertz to a contract. So, no, I'm not assuming that the Philly offer is the hold up, and I'm also not going to assume that Eagles are not waiting on the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 22 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said: No, you cannot assume the Eagles want more than the Bills offer. It's at least as likely IMO, that Ertz' contract is the roadblock. I would think/hope any trade the Bills have with Philly would be contingent on having a signed contract with Ertz. The Bills need to have a contract that is close to Fair Market Value (FMV) for Ertz because everyone knows if Philly can't move him, they'll cut him. But what is FMV for Ertz? Kittle/Kelce are at $14-15M, J Smith/Henry $12.5, Hooper $10, Pitts 8.5. And how long of a contract do the Bills/Ertz want? This is a difficult contract. The Bills/Philly could have a deal in place, say a 5th (or maybe Butler and a 4th), contingent upon the Bills signing Ertz to a contract. So, no, I'm not assuming that the Philly offer is the hold up, and I'm also not going to assume that Eagles are not waiting on the Bills. Way to needlessly throw shade at Butler. And there is no discernible FMV for Ertz because guys that have declined from above average to bad normally can’t wrap their head around the corresponding decline in salary. Sherman is probably seeing similar although on a different scale than Ertz as he was/is far better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draconator Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 Might we be close? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Einstein's Dog Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 47 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: Way to needlessly throw shade at Butler. And there is no discernible FMV for Ertz because guys that have declined from above average to bad normally can’t wrap their head around the corresponding decline in salary. Sherman is probably seeing similar although on a different scale than Ertz as he was/is far better. You won't be happy if we get Ertz, because I can guarantee he will be brought in above your $1 valuation. We do agree though, the FMV for Ertz is complicated. Elite players coming off an injury filled season are difficult to price. As for Butler, things changed. We drafted 2 DL. If the Bills think like I do, they may feel Butler and his contract are no longer a good fit here. But Philly has little use for him, they look to be in a rebuild. So to entice them, and to help muddy up the trade so that Roseman can look better, Philly might do it with a little push. I would love seeing the Bills reallocate some funds out of the old DL - into TE and CB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 I feel like I remember her, about 2 days beforehand, confirming McCoy wouldn’t be able to play in the wildcard game…. Then he happened to be the best offensive player on the field for either team that day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 19 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said: You won't be happy if we get Ertz, because I can guarantee he will be brought in above your $1 valuation. We do agree though, the FMV for Ertz is complicated. Elite players coming off an injury filled season are difficult to price. As for Butler, things changed. We drafted 2 DL. If the Bills think like I do, they may feel Butler and his contract are no longer a good fit here. But Philly has little use for him, they look to be in a rebuild. So to entice them, and to help muddy up the trade so that Roseman can look better, Philly might do it with a little push. I would love seeing the Bills reallocate some funds out of the old DL - into TE and CB. Elite. Lollllllllllllll. Unless 15 guys at each position qualify as elite, he never sniffed it. And he already came back from his injury and sucked out loud. He is actually “worth” more than $1 due to the vet minimum rule so I realize that anywhere he goes, they will pay him more than that. Butler is a DT and we drafted two DEs with a notion that each might be able to slide inside sometime in the future. Should we trade Tre White because we drafted Hamlin? They play different positions in the same general area too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boxcar Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 41 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: Elite. Lollllllllllllll. Unless 15 guys at each position qualify as elite, he never sniffed it. And he already came back from his injury and sucked out loud. He is actually “worth” more than $1 due to the vet minimum rule so I realize that anywhere he goes, they will pay him more than that. Butler is a DT and we drafted two DEs with a notion that each might be able to slide inside sometime in the future. Should we trade Tre White because we drafted Hamlin? They play different positions in the same general area too. Hold up, are you saying that Zach Ertz has NEVER been elite? That's a hell of a hot take. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 On 6/10/2021 at 9:18 PM, Georgie said: I like the Hurst idea....cheaper....younger...but neither he nor Ertz is a great blocker Just need them to catch the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOboy Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 59 minutes ago, Boxcar said: Hold up, are you saying that Zach Ertz has NEVER been elite? That's a hell of a hot take. He ONLY set the single season RECORD for receptions at the position a couple of years ago. Nope, definitely never elite. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 5 hours ago, 4merper4mer said: Elite. Lollllllllllllll. Unless 15 guys at each position qualify as elite, he never sniffed it. And he already came back from his injury and sucked out loud. He is actually “worth” more than $1 due to the vet minimum rule so I realize that anywhere he goes, they will pay him more than that. Butler is a DT and we drafted two DEs with a notion that each might be able to slide inside sometime in the future. Should we trade Tre White because we drafted Hamlin? They play different positions in the same general area too. Are you really saying he wasn’t ever elite lol? He are his season catches prior to last year when he was injured: - 88 - 116 - 74 - 78 - 75 Roughly 800+ yards and about 6 TD’s per year. Name 15 other tight ends with that production. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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