Dolphins trade 3rd pick to the 49ers for 12th pick, 3rd round pick, two future 1sts (per Schefter)

[Jauronimo]

3 minutes ago, Success said:

 

The first part of that response reminds me of how Bills fans talked for half of the drought years, especially when we spent more than usual on FA's.

 

Their O-line stood pat - they also lost Thuney and Cannon. We'll see if Brown can stay in shape.  It's still their best unit though, as it was last year.

 

The LB they got is okay, and Hightower is on the wrong side of 30, after missing a whole season.  

 

The WR corps is improved, but still just middlin' at best.  Again - they remind me of the drought-era Bills.  A bunch of #2 and #3 guys (being generous there).

 

And, like the drought-era Bills, the biggest question mark is QB.  Color me not scared at all if they trade up for one of the QB's in the draft.   They won't compete right away with any of them, and BB will probably retire by the time one develops into a decent starting QB - if they ever do.

 

It's like watching a mirror of what Buffalo went through the last 20 years. Always trying to talk ourselves into believing we could be better than we ended up being.

So true.  Every offseason we went through the 5 stages of not having a QB.  

 

Denial - Tyrod is basically still a rookie! He can improve!

Anger- F@#$% why can't we get a franchise QB?

Bargaining - "Well we really upgraded the OL and weapons around Tyrod. If the D stays the same top 4 unit we are SOLIDLY in the hunt for a wild card berth" 

Depression - 7 and 9 here we come again.

Acceptance - Hey guys check out my mock draft!

 

PatsFanNH is currently at Bargaining.  

[Bray Wyatt]

1 hour ago, Doc Brown said:

He’s sprinting to waive it.

 

Hope he doesnt hurt his ankle 😏

[stevestojan]

Not reading 9 pages of posts,

but this is a HUGE move

for the Phins. Smart move. 

[PatsFanNH]

2 minutes ago, Success said:

 

The first part of that response reminds me of how Bills fans talked for half of the drought years, especially when we spent more than usual on FA's.

 

Their O-line stood pat - they also lost Thuney and Cannon. We'll see if Brown can stay in shape.  It's still their best unit though, as it was last year.

 

The LB they got is okay, and Hightower is on the wrong side of 30, after missing a whole season.  

 

The WR corps is improved, but still just middlin' at best.  Again - they remind me of the drought-era Bills.  A bunch of #2 and #3 guys (being generous there).

 

And, like the drought-era Bills, the biggest question mark is QB.  Color me not scared at all if they trade up for one of the QB's in the draft.   They won't compete right away with any of them, and BB will probably retire by the time one develops into a decent starting QB - if they ever do.

 

It's like watching a mirror of what Buffalo went through the last 20 years. Always trying to talk ourselves into believing we could be better than we ended up being.

Umm ya the O line is stacked! What we have for 2nd string be first string for a lot of teams. We traded Cannon because he wasn’t needed anymore and also injury prone.

 

LB they have Van Noy, Hightower, Judon. can Noy had the 3rd most pressures for a non D lineman in the NFL last year. Add in Winovich and Uche and that’s a strength on D.

 

secondary stayed the same with one addition. But was also one of the best in the league last year.

 

Dlins — ugh couldn’t stop ME from running the ball last year.. the Pats added Godchaux, Anderson for that reason.

 

Oline they added Karras and Brown. Brown is a beast when motivated, and Karras can play Guard or center.  Pats also had a rookie come in and dominated on O line making Thuney expendable.. o line is set..

 

WR — they were an upgrade.. but I agree they are average.. but Edelman coming back and Meyers getting better should be a decent group that’s just missing a top threat. They get Jimmy G that will hopefully be found at 15. 

 

QB — can I hide lol.. Both are meh to OMG Bad. I am expecting hear a trade for Jimmy G any day now otherwise they trade up get Jonesboro Fields whichever one they can get.

[BillsShredder83]

57 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

Jimmy G to NE MUST HAPPEN!

 

For one, I want to see NE games be more than just us beating them down for a change. It's a little bit sad to see what they've become. 

 

Two, it adds even more to the Brady/Belichick Bowl this season!

4X IN 10 YEARS IS ENOUGH? LOL, I GET THE SENTIMENT BUT WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM SWIRL THE DRAIN FOR A WHILE, AND RENEW OUR RIVALRY WITH MIA

[sven233]

I think these moves showed that Miami was looking at WR or TE all along.  They didn't want to do it at 3, but they were able to find a couple dance partners to move back a few spots, still get the guy they wanted all along anyway and add a couple of picks.  If they were always 100% in on Tua, this was a great move for them as they will still get the guy they wanted all along.

 

The thing is, and while it is still early and I could turn out to be wrong, I don't think Tua is going to be good.  I didn't like him in college all that much and he has a long ways to go to be a good one in the pros.  And while you could say the same thing about Allen going into last year, unlike Allen, Tua doesn't have the physical gifts and arm talent Josh has to work with. 

 

So yeah.....good for Miami in the short term, but if Tua busts, all this maneuvering won't mean much of anything over the next couple years.

[PatsFanNH]

7 minutes ago, Bleedingreennc said:

10-6?? LOL, i love how Pats fans still think they matter. 

Wel at least unlike Jet fans our team actually mattered at some point. 

1 minute ago, sven233 said:

I think these moves showed that Miami was looking at WR or TE all along.  They didn't want to do it at 3, but they were able to find a couple dance partners to move back a few spots, still get the guy they wanted all along anyway and add a couple of picks.  If they were always 100% in on Tua, this was a great move for them as they will still get the guy they wanted all along.

 

The thing is, and while it is still early and I could turn out to be wrong, I don't think Tua is going to be good.  I didn't like him in college all that much and he has a long ways to go to be a good one in the pros.  And while you could say the same thing about Allen going into last year, unlike Allen, Tua doesn't have the physical gifts and arm talent Josh has to work with. 

 

So yeah.....good for Miami in the short term, but if Tua busts, all this maneuvering won't mean much of anything over the next couple years.

Except they hedged their bet on Tua. They have I think 3 first round picks next year. Easy to get a new QB.

[Bleedingreennc]

Just now, PatsFanNH said:

Wel at least unlike Jet fans our team actually mattered at some point. 

You have been a fan since way back in 2001 right? Dont act too godly, Brady just proved what everyone knew, it was him, not BB. Anyway, keep up those dreams of 12-4 or 10-6, and i thought Jets fans were delusional....

[Big Turk]

1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

This underestimating of Tua is stupid.  Dude blew out his hip less than a year ago. Miami was stupid for playing him. I bet he looks much different this year. 

 

He still doesn't have any elite physical traits that is going to Wow you. He might be a middle of the road starter in the NFL as his ceiling. Right now he is replacement level. I'm not getting excited by that ceiling.

Edited March 26, 2021 by Big Turk

[PatsFanNH]

1 minute ago, Bleedingreennc said:

You have been a fan since way back in 2001 right? Dont act too godly, Brady just proved what everyone knew, it was him, not BB. Anyway, keep up those dreams of 12-4 or 10-6, and i thought Jets fans were delusional....

Nope been a fan since Tony Eason.. and the “squish the Fish” tshirt days of 1986. 
 

jet fans are delusional.. you forget Jets suck. 

[Bleedingreennc]

Just now, PatsFanNH said:

Nope been a fan since Tony Eason.. and the “squish the Fish” tshirt days of 1986. 
 

jet fans are delusional.. you forget Jets suck. 

Enjoy Cam next season.

[sven233]

2 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

Except they hedged their bet on Tua. They have I think 3 first round picks next year. Easy to get a new QB.

 

That's their hope, but you still have to have a dance partner and a QB you really want.  They finish with 7 or 8 wins over the next year or 2, when they want to get up into the top 2 or 3, it won't be that easy, especially if the teams at the top are looking for QBs of their own.  But hey, we'll see how it works out for them.  Hopefully we'll find out in a couple years if the picks they have are enough to get them into the top 3 again.

[YoloinOhio]

 

[mannc]

Just now, YoloinOhio said:

 

Well, Miami's "haul" for dropping from 3 to 6 is looking even more paltry.

[PatsFanNH]

1 minute ago, sven233 said:

 

That's their hope, but you still have to have a dance partner and a QB you really want.  They finish with 7 or 8 wins over the next year or 2, when they want to get up into the top 2 or 3, it won't be that easy, especially if the teams at the top are looking for QBs of their own.  But hey, we'll see how it works out for them.  Hopefully we'll find out in a couple years if the picks they have are enough to get them into the top 3 again.

They don’t want Tua be bad but they have enough Capitol move up for one.. I guarantee you there is a couple they are intrigued by already for next year.

[Bleedingreennc]

Just now, mannc said:

Well, Miami's "haul" for dropping from 3 to 6 is looking even more paltry.

That ends up being a bad return, hell, the Jets gave up 3 2nd round picks to move up 3 spots. 

[Jauronimo]

20 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

4X IN 10 YEARS IS ENOUGH? LOL, I GET THE SENTIMENT BUT WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM SWIRL THE DRAIN FOR A WHILE, AND RENEW OUR RIVALRY WITH MIA

The record is 35-7 since 1999.  But he had enough of these lopsided Bills victories.  All two three of them in that occurred in meaningful games over the last 21 years.  

 

Edit: I forgot about the 16-0 deflate gate game where we shut out the Pats who were led by a 3rd string QB who broke his thumb and was subsequently IR'd for the season.  3 lopsided victories in 21 years definitely satisfies my appetite for revenge.

 

2nd EDIT: I mean these 3 lopsided victories really make up for the 15 losses by 14 points or more over the past 21 years.  It definitely erases the 10 losses of 21 points or more over that time frame and the 5 losses by 30 points or more.  One swift ass kicking and all is forgotten.

Edited March 26, 2021 by Jauronimo

[mannc]

Just now, Bleedingreennc said:

That ends up being a bad return, hell, the Jets gave up 3 2nd round picks to move up 3 spots. 

Exactly.  And the QBs available this year are certainly comparable to what was available in 2018, so they have no excuse. 

[DolFAN93]

3 minutes ago, mannc said:

Well, Miami's "haul" for dropping from 3 to 6 is looking even more paltry.

That's an actual 3rd and not the comp pick for 2021....not sure how that's a loss.

[Bleedingreennc]

Just now, DolFAN93 said:

That's an actual 3rd and not the comp pick for 2021....not sure how that's a loss.

Due to the fact that you could have gotten a lot more.

[JohnC]

1 minute ago, mannc said:

Well, Miami's "haul" for dropping from 3 to 6 is looking even more paltry.

Why so? In the exchange they will still be able to get a top tier receiver in this draft which they wanted to address and accumulate currency for the not so distant future. The Dolphins have a plan and are steadily implementing it. This regime is doing a good job building up their roster from the mistakes made by their trading partners. (Most notably Houston.) 

[Richard Noggin]

Just now, Bleedingreennc said:

Due to the fact that you could have gotten a lot more.

Picks received in future drafts are automatically devalued a round. So, it's a net loss of one round. It's more like a 4th this year. 

[PatsFanNH]

3 minutes ago, Bleedingreennc said:

That ends up being a bad return, hell, the Jets gave up 3 2nd round picks to move up 3 spots. 

That shows how we OT the Jets front office was at the time.  Hell the Jets going to struggle till they get better ownership.  

[mannc]

Just now, DolFAN93 said:

That's an actual 3rd and not the comp pick for 2021....not sure how that's a loss.

Because they did not reap even a single extra pick this year from making substantial move back in a fairly loaded draft (not that they really need more pick this year, mind you).

[Bleedingreennc]

Just now, Richard Noggin said:

Picks received in future drafts are automatically devalued a round. So, it's a net loss of one round. It's more like a 4th this year. 

Still not worth what they did.

[BuffaloRebound]

As stated earlier, Indy got more from the Jets to move from 3 to 6 than Dolphins did moving from 3 to 12.  

[DolFAN93]

Just now, Bleedingreennc said:

Due to the fact that you could have gotten a lot more.

How do you or I know this? Value changes every year. Just because something happened in the past doesn't mean it'll happen again. Let's see if ATL gets three picks for Fields or Lance lol.

[PatsFanNH]

22 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

So true.  Every offseason we went through the 5 stages of not having a QB.  

 

Denial - Tyrod is basically still a rookie! He can improve!

Anger- F@#$% why can't we get a franchise QB?

Bargaining - "Well we really upgraded the OL and weapons around Tyrod. If the D stays the same top 4 unit we are SOLIDLY in the hunt for a wild card berth" 

Depression - 7 and 9 here we come again.

Acceptance - Hey guys check out my mock draft!

 

PatsFanNH is currently at Bargaining.  

I’m just glad the Bills took the division and not the Jets or Phins.. 

 

I will support my team even if I have go there the late 80’s and early 90’s pain yet again.  I hope not but I will still cheer for them..

[mannc]

Just now, JohnC said:

Why so? In the exchange they will still be able to get a top tier receiver in this draft which they wanted to address and accumulate currency for the not so distant future. The Dolphins have a plan and are steadily implementing it. This regime is doing a good job building up their roster from the mistakes made by their trading partners. (Most notably Houston.) 

I agree that they will probably be able to get their guy at 6, but they did not pick up a single extra pick this year in exchange for making a very significant move back in a loaded draft year.  The only first round pick they got is two years down the road and is from a team that probably will finish pretty high in the standings.  And I hate the Texans for single-handedly making Miami a pesky contender. 

[Bleedingreennc]

1 minute ago, DolFAN93 said:

How do you or I know this? Value changes every year. Just because something happened in the past doesn't mean it'll happen again. Let's see if ATL gets three picks for Fields or Lance lol.

Read what the guy above you posted, the value is static, and it gets moved based on supply and demand. Miami jumped the gun, like i said, they could have gotten more.

1 minute ago, PatsFanNH said:

I’m just glad the Bills took the division and not the Jets or Phins.. 

 

I will support my team even if I have go there the late 80’s and early 90’s pain yet again.  I hope not but I will still cheer for them..

We all knew the Bills were going to start dominating the division, writing was on the wall. 

[DolFAN93]

2 minutes ago, mannc said:

Because they did not reap even a single extra pick this year from making substantial move back in a fairly loaded draft (not that they really need more pick this year, mind you).

 

Which is why I think they opted for the extra 1st instead of a 2nd or 3rd in 2021.

[PatsFanNH]

4 minutes ago, Bleedingreennc said:

Read what the guy above you posted, the value is static, and it gets moved based on supply and demand. Miami jumped the gun, like i said, they could have gotten more.

We all knew the Bills were going to start dominating the division, writing was on the wall. 

It was! Only question Mark was Allen and if he would take that next step. 

[Bleedingreennc]

6 minutes ago, DolFAN93 said:

How do you or I know this? Value changes every year. Just because something happened in the past doesn't mean it'll happen again. Let's see if ATL gets three picks for Fields or Lance lol.

Not to mention the fact, you still have Tua......that alone keeps the fins down.

[ColoradoBills]

31 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

So true.  Every offseason we went through the 5 stages of not having a QB.  

 

Denial - Tyrod is basically still a rookie! He can improve!

Anger- F@#$% why can't we get a franchise QB?

Bargaining - "Well we really upgraded the OL and weapons around Tyrod. If the D stays the same top 4 unit we are SOLIDLY in the hunt for a wild card berth" 

Depression - 7 and 9 here we come again.

Acceptance - Hey guys check out my mock draft!

 

PatsFanNH is currently at Bargaining.  

 

Add to the equation that a 7-9 year puts you in the perfect position to not get a QB in the draft!

 

15 minutes ago, Bleedingreennc said:

That ends up being a bad return, hell, the Jets gave up 3 2nd round picks to move up 3 spots. 

 

Everyone and I mean everyone said they overpaid for the move.

When you add that they picked Darnold it was a horrible move.

 

I'm not trying to pick on you it's just the truth.

[Bleedingreennc]

1 minute ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

Add to the equation that a 7-9 year puts you in the perfect position to not get a QB in the draft!

 

 

Everyone and I mean everyone said they overpaid for the move.

When you add that they picked Darnold it was a horrible move.

 

I'm not trying to pick on you it's just the truth.

No offense taken, it was a horrible move on our part. The 49ers just did basically the same thing to settle for our leftovers, glad its not us doing it again. 

[Warcodered]

48 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

That can be the truth!!! I just trust BB to find the right guy.   Now if we had lost both him and Brady the same year I’d be more worried.   

He's only ever done that once and seemingly by accident.

[appoo]

Fish have a legit pathway to a juggernaught in 2-3 years

[streetkings01]

Downside is financially you can’t keep 6-1st round picks on your roster especially if they live up to/exceed expectations when their contracts expire.

[TheFunPolice]

1 hour ago, PatsFanNH said:

(Scratching my head) you lost to NE for like 20 years.. hell Brady had more wins in Buffalo than Buffalo QBs before Allen. That said you had one game where you bet them down the other you needed a Newton fumble to claim victory.. mind you it make our division one of the toughest with Miami, Buffalo, and NE all being legit teams. 

 

I'm living in the present! LOL

 

 

[Bleedingreennc]

4 minutes ago, appoo said:

Fish have a legit pathway to a juggernaught in 2-3 years

With Tua at QB??