Cson76 Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 If I am them, I'm calling Detroit. Send Watson out of the AFC and get Stafford, pick 7 and 2022 1st. I think this is fair value given Watson's skill and age. Then I'm flipping Stafford and a 4th to Indy for Eason plus 2021 and 2022 firsts. This gives Houston 5 first round picks in the next two years (plus what they get for Watt) Eason as a potential prospect they can start this year and if he isn't good a path to tank for the first overall pick. This seemed reasonable to me. Curious if anyone things I'm completely off base 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corta765 Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 This is actually one of the more reasonable trade offers I have seen in a long time 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 Interesting, but isn’t Detroit essentially in the same boat in terms of a team overhaul? I can’t imagine that they would be willing to part with 2 first round picks. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chongli Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Cson76 said: If I am them, I'm calling Detroit. Send Watson out of the AFC and get Stafford, pick 7 and 2022 1st. I think this is fair value given Watson's skill and age. Then I'm flipping Stafford and a 4th to Indy for Eason plus 2021 and 2022 firsts. This gives Houston 5 first round picks in the next two years (plus what they get for Watt) Eason as a potential prospect they can start this year and if he isn't good a path to tank for the first overall pick. This seemed reasonable to me. Curious if anyone things I'm completely off base Nice analysis. But if I am Indy, I am not giving up two firsts and a QB for Stafford. Edited January 27, 2021 by chongli 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 By putting it out there that the Lions and Stafford are going to part ways, they decreased his value in a trade. If I'm another team's GM I know he isn't going back there, so that reduced my offer. 1 minute ago, ScottLaw said: I’m not trading Watson. Period. Same. Best case scenario you end up with a QB as good as Watson in a year or two. You're almost certainly not going to improve at QB, so why bother? Now, Watt is a different story. I would trade him to recoup some picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern_Bills Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 After the coaching hires in Detroit and the fact Watson has a no trade clause, this is dead before the phone rings. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 1 minute ago, Southern_Bills said: After the coaching hires in Detroit and the fact Watson has a no trade clause, this is dead before the phone rings. What, you don't think Watson's up for getting punched in the face then biting knee caps on the way back up? 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 Watson has a no trade clause. He isn’t going to waive it to go to Detroit. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 Watson to SF would be really interesting... Pick 12 this year, and a 1st in the next 2 seasons, plus Jimmy G could get it done. So it's 3 1sts, with one being #12 overall in 2021, and Jimmy G, who did just play in a Super Bowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 Watson wouldn’t agree to be traded to Detroit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 Nobody is giving up a 1st for Stafford. Maybe a second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern_Bills Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 9 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said: Watson to SF would be really interesting... Pick 12 this year, and a 1st in the next 2 seasons, plus Jimmy G could get it done. So it's 3 1sts, with one being #12 overall in 2021, and Jimmy G, who did just play in a Super Bowl. Watson would agree in a heartbeat. Do you think the 49ers are that turned off by Jimmy G though? His injuries have to be frustrating, I'm just curious if they would mortgage their future to upgrade him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 6 minutes ago, Doc said: Watson wouldn’t agree to be traded to Detroit. That's the fatal flaw in the OP's scenario, along with the fact that I very much doubt Indy gives up two firsts for Matt Stafford. If Indy wants Stafford, and I'm not sure they would, they can just make the trade with Detroit directly and I bet it only costs one first. 2 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: Nobody is giving up a 1st for Stafford. Maybe a second. That may be true, but there are a lot of QB-needy teams this year and a team that thinks they are on the cusp, like Indy, might do it. And Indy's first is pretty late in the round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 The only successful rebuild for Houston is keeping Watson. He’s not going to miss game checks and sit out. Play hard ball and he’ll be the starting quarterback week one. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 1 minute ago, Southern_Bills said: Watson would agree in a heartbeat. Do you think the 49ers are that turned off by Jimmy G though? His injuries have to be frustrating, I'm just curious if they would mortgage their future to upgrade him. I could see it. Imagine Shanahan with a guy like Watson AND that running game and defense. They would still have picks in rounds 2+ every year as well. What a fun division that would be with Watson, Murray and Wilson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 (edited) 15 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said: Watson to SF would be really interesting... Pick 12 this year, and a 1st in the next 2 seasons, plus Jimmy G could get it done. So it's 3 1sts, with one being #12 overall in 2021, and Jimmy G, who did just play in a Super Bowl. If I'm Houston, I only do that trade if I really like Jimmy G, because those picks after this year are (1) in the future--obviously--and (2) likely to be very late in the first round. I'd hold out for another young impact player, like Deebo Samuel. Edited January 27, 2021 by mannc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 Just now, mannc said: If I'm Houston, I only do that trade if I really like Jimmy G, because those picks after this year are (1) in the future--obviously--and (2) likely to be very late in the first round. I'd hold out for another impact player, like Deebo Samuel. Now it's getting interesting.... SF gives: 3 1sts, Samuel and Jimmy G Houston gives: Watson I still do that deal if I'm SF. I can find another WR in round 2 or 3, or in FA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 I would put all my efforts into figuring out how to get Watson back in their camp. Also I think Watson has a no trade thing in his deal, he could veto.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 21 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said: Watson to SF would be really interesting... Pick 12 this year, and a 1st in the next 2 seasons, plus Jimmy G could get it done. So it's 3 1sts, with one being #12 overall in 2021, and Jimmy G, who did just play in a Super Bowl. I agree. I think IF and it is IF he ends up traded Miami and San Fran are the only two shows in town. And that is the kind of deal it would take. The only thing is Jimmy G has a no trade clause too.... so they would both need to agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 Just now, GunnerBill said: I agree. I think IF and it is IF he ends up traded Miami and San Fran are the only two shows in town. And that is the kind of deal it would take. The only thing is Jimmy G has a no trade clause too.... so they would both need to agree. I didn't know that about Jimmy G... That complicates things. I imagine he would agree, knowing that he would be guaranteed the starting role in Houston in that type of trade. Plus that division is hardly a juggernaut the way the NFC West is, so there's opportunity in the AFC South. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 55 minutes ago, Cson76 said: If I am them, I'm calling Detroit. Send Watson out of the AFC and get Stafford, pick 7 and 2022 1st. I think this is fair value given Watson's skill and age. Then I'm flipping Stafford and a 4th to Indy for Eason plus 2021 and 2022 firsts. This gives Houston 5 first round picks in the next two years (plus what they get for Watt) Eason as a potential prospect they can start this year and if he isn't good a path to tank for the first overall pick. This seemed reasonable to me. Curious if anyone things I'm completely off base I don't think you can get two 1sts for Stafford, even one 1st is stretching it considering his age and recent injuries to his back etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicharito Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 57 minutes ago, Cson76 said: If I am them, I'm calling Detroit. Send Watson out of the AFC and get Stafford, pick 7 and 2022 1st. I think this is fair value given Watson's skill and age. Then I'm flipping Stafford and a 4th to Indy for Eason plus 2021 and 2022 firsts. This gives Houston 5 first round picks in the next two years (plus what they get for Watt) Eason as a potential prospect they can start this year and if he isn't good a path to tank for the first overall pick. This seemed reasonable to me. Curious if anyone things I'm completely off base I like where your head is at! Somewhere Sonny Weaver jr is smiling at you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 Linked to this... John McClain of the Houston Chronicle who is the most respected Texans beat guy says the Head Coach decision is down to Leslie Frazier or former Bills QB coach David Culley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigotz Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 How much would you ask for to trade Josh Allen? That's how much the Texans would need to give up Deshaun Watson. They are comparable players. The only correct answer is: not tradeable. This is just a story made up by the Watson and his agents to get him more attention, money, and power within the Texans organization. The media ran with it because 20+ franchises are all dreaming of a player like him and it's fun to dream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cson76 Posted January 27, 2021 Author Share Posted January 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Southern_Bills said: After the coaching hires in Detroit and the fact Watson has a no trade clause, this is dead before the phone rings. ah, I missed this part of the calculation 1 hour ago, Ethan in Portland said: Nobody is giving up a 1st for Stafford. Maybe a second. I had read somewhere (Chris Simms maybe?) that this would be expected compensation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 I hate to say it but the only landing spots for Watson are NYJ & Miami, with him probably preferring Miami since they're a lot closer than the Jets. They're the only teams that have two #1s including a top 3 spot to draft Watson's replacement. Houston is only trading Watson if they have a high enough pick to draft his replacement. The OP's trade would leave Houston in a spot where they wouldn't have a shot at a top 5 QB & worse, has them relying on a 4th rounder who didn't see the field in 2020 and has a good chance of being the next Jarrett Stidham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 2 hours ago, Cson76 said: If I am them, I'm calling Detroit. Send Watson out of the AFC and get Stafford, pick 7 and 2022 1st. I think this is fair value given Watson's skill and age. Then I'm flipping Stafford and a 4th to Indy for Eason plus 2021 and 2022 firsts. This gives Houston 5 first round picks in the next two years (plus what they get for Watt) Eason as a potential prospect they can start this year and if he isn't good a path to tank for the first overall pick. This seemed reasonable to me. Curious if anyone things I'm completely off base Next thing you know, you'll be telling us you're going to coach the team! A 'reverse BO'B'. 😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Cson76 said: If I am them, I'm calling Detroit. Send Watson out of the AFC and get Stafford, pick 7 and 2022 1st. I think this is fair value given Watson's skill and age. Then I'm flipping Stafford and a 4th to Indy for Eason plus 2021 and 2022 firsts. This gives Houston 5 first round picks in the next two years (plus what they get for Watt) Eason as a potential prospect they can start this year and if he isn't good a path to tank for the first overall pick. This seemed reasonable to me. Curious if anyone things I'm completely off base I thought Watson had trade restriction language in his K, and would need to agree to go to Detroit, which he likely wouldn't do. The Miami connection became public b/c Watson's agent said up front that Watson would be willing to go to Miami. At least that is how I understood the situation Edited January 27, 2021 by Nextmanup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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