How does Josh work on his nerves...?

[RoyBatty is alive]

2 minutes ago, A Firm Tree Does Not Fear said:

it certainly means he didn't in that game. sorry, I'm not satisfied with getting close, finishing second best. to be the best you have to beat the best. JA and the team are/were not ready for that big stage and it showed last night. I hope he works hard on his mental game this offseason along with some talent additions on both sides of the ball. I realize there is more to losing the game then that of play of the QB, so not all blame should go on his shoulders but both he and the team did not perform good enough to win.

 

 

 

Works hard on his mental game....lol.  Yeah because as we all know Josh Allen is not a hard worker, nope not at all.   

 

If i wanted to hear this crap I would look up what Nick Wright is saying today.

 

Yeah it is tough to lose a game, isn't it, deal with it.

[Buff Al O]

Practice and experience. Or, ask me again next year about this time.

[Warcodered]

 

[Freak-O]

In every replay you could see the receivers being covered. Not just kind of covered, but covered covered. Not sure how Josh's nerves can fix that.

Also, Brady threw three interceptions yesterday. Is there a way to fix his nerves? Maybe a sports psychologist or something?

[VW82]

Experience. He came unglued in the second half vs. Houston last year and then handled the pressure much better vs. Colts this year. When we get back to conference championship game next year he'll have this experience to draw on and will likely be better. 

[Success]

Oh, for the sake of pete....

 

[Matt_In_NH]

Did he improve from last post season to this post season?  I say yes and I would also say I think we can expect him to improve again this off season based on his track record.

 

I don't think he chokes, but I think is issue is still "tries to do too much".  So when he gets backed into a corner, he can make mistakes.  He improved in that this year but it is still there.  Not sure you will ever get it totally out of him.  The interception was not the best ball and he took some ridiculous sacks...take those away it's not like the Bills win.  He can fight off a tackle but by the time he does others are there, he needs to take a sack.  Like others said, the Chiefs bottled up the receivers and gave him few options so he felt like it all fell on him.  There probably should have been more check downs or scrambles by Josh...or an actual running game, something had to be there and the Bills did not take advantage of that.  I blame game plan over Josh.  The Bills did not have a counter punch.

[Sundancer]

Josh has a lot of 4th quarter comebacks for a young guy. He won and excelled in many big games this year. He won two playoff games. Yesterday his WRs were never open and he was literally the entire offense as his WRs were not doing well, his RBs were AWOL, and his line sucked. Still ended with 290 and 90 rushing. Some garbage stats but there are almost no one else did jack squat.

 

Brady threw three picks. Rodgers choked. Etc. 

 

Bills played a one loss defending SB champ. Bills lost. Josh didn't have a great game but I'm not sure who would have found more offense than him.  

[VW82]

5 minutes ago, Freak-O said:

In every replay you could see the receivers being covered. Not just kind of covered, but covered covered. Not sure how Josh's nerves can fix that.

Also, Brady threw three interceptions yesterday. Is there a way to fix his nerves? Maybe a sports psychologist or something?

 

Credit the Chiefs for blanketing us most of the game. Josh can't do everything. 

 

That said, he had guys open underneath on a lot of plays that he didn't see and was inaccurate on several throws that we've seen him make all year. We depend on him for so much of the offense, and he played at such a high level this year that every little mistake is noticeable. 

Edited January 25, 2021 by VW82

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

Look, I know everyone's upset and wants to defend Josh, but he *absolutely* looked nervy. He's in year 3. What other elite QBs do you see look nervy? Please be objective. It's a big concern. Yes, we're only here because of him, but being here is not good enough. As another poster alluded, the best QBs have ice water in their veins in the biggest moments. Yesterday was a big test for Josh to show he could handle it emotionally/mentally, and he showed that there's a lot of improvement to make in this area. I hope he takes it as seriously over this off-season as he did with his accuracy in prior years. I have faith he can improve, but let's not pretend there's not an issue when there very clearly is.

[JOSH HUFF]

15 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

Good lord give the man a break, it was by far his longest season EVER  at any level, so he looked dejected sitting on the bench...gee I wonder why?

Yeah, 1 game away from the Super Bowl and your talking about the longest season made him look worn out and defeated sitting on the sideline.  Silly response, embarrassing response!  Josh Allen is going to continue to grow and be a stud!  With that said he definitely look defeated with a ton of game left.   We simply got out schemed/coached on both sides of the ball.  Played too safe, especially on defense. 

[oldmanfan]

44 minutes ago, Adamb412 said:

Josh had a great season no doubt about it, but when the big game comes he choked.  I feel like Josh's mentality is more of Alex Zverev and not that of Djokovic (Tennis Fans).  When the "No tomorrow" situation comes, he DOESNT leave it all on the field. We squeaked by the colts, without johnson INT vs the ravens, we would of scored ten points total.  Unacceptable. This is my big concern.  How does someone work on nerves? I was joking with my dad during the game last night he needs to take a shot of whiskey to calm the nerves, but obviously the dude does not have ice water in his veins which is something a QB needs.  So what are the solutions? Sports Phych? Yoga? 

Experience.  I used to play competitive golf.  The more you are in the moment the more you learn how to handle it.

[teef]

49 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

Look, I know everyone's upset and wants to defend Josh, but he *absolutely* looked nervy. He's in year 3. What other elite QBs do you see look nervy? Please be objective. It's a big concern. Yes, we're only here because of him, but being here is not good enough. As another poster alluded, the best QBs have ice water in their veins in the biggest moments. Yesterday was a big test for Josh to show he could handle it emotionally/mentally, and he showed that there's a lot of improvement to make in this area. I hope he takes it as seriously over this off-season as he did with his accuracy in prior years. I have faith he can improve, but let's not pretend there's not an issue when there very clearly is.

weren't you the guy that a few weeks ago was telling everyone they were so depressed because you didn't think this coaching staff would go anywhere in the playoffs?

 

people are over reacting here.  80% of the offense runs through josh, and josh got us there.  it wasn't a perfect game by any means, but this staff has to find a way just to take a bit of it off of josh's shoulders, and make this team a bit less one dimensional.  the kc defense did a great job yesterday, even if certain people decide to ignore that.  

 

 

this team had a good year and there's a lot of room for improvement.  people need to take a deep breath and calm down.

Edited January 25, 2021 by teef

[oldmanfan]

41 minutes ago, Adamb412 said:

He didnt trust his mechanics yesterday he didnt trust his reads.  The KC defense ISNT GOOD!

They were yesterday

[RoyBatty is alive]

5 minutes ago, VW82 said:

 

Credit the Chiefs for blanketing us most of the game. Josh can't do everything. 

 

That said, he had guys open underneath on a lot of plays that he didn't see and was inaccurate on several throws that we've seen him make all year. We depend on him for so much of the offense, and he played at such a high level this year that every little mistake is noticeable. 

I have been defending J Allen in this thread but That is one thing i can agree on.  That one pass to Singletary comes to mind, he seemed to be overthrowing some of his short passes.  

 

Is the man expected to be perfect every game?  Every player has a bad game here or there...this was one of his bad games.  I know its a bummer but it happens.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

46 minutes ago, Adamb412 said:

Josh had a great season no doubt about it, but when the big game comes he choked.  I feel like Josh's mentality is more of Alex Zverev and not that of Djokovic (Tennis Fans).  When the "No tomorrow" situation comes, he DOESNT leave it all on the field. We squeaked by the colts, without johnson INT vs the ravens, we would of scored ten points total.  Unacceptable. This is my big concern.  How does someone work on nerves? I was joking with my dad during the game last night he needs to take a shot of whiskey to calm the nerves, but obviously the dude does not have ice water in his veins which is something a QB needs.  So what are the solutions? Sports Phych? Yoga? 

I think we need a real analysis of the tape from last night before we start blaming Allen for this loss. 

 

For example, before the interception to Brown, one play earlier Knox drops a pass that hits him in the hands. 

 

He sailed the sideline throw to Diggs, and forced a few into coverage, bypassed a couple of check downs that were available in the game. 

[RoyBatty is alive]

3 minutes ago, JOSH HUFF said:

Yeah, 1 game away from the Super Bowl and your talking about the longest season made him look worn out and defeated sitting on the sideline.  Silly response, embarrassing response!  Josh Allen is going to continue to grow and be a stud!  With that said he definitely look defeated with a ton of game left.   We simply got out schemed/coached on both sides of the ball.  Played too safe, especially on defense. 

Well I guess i am just silly and embarrassing myself.

 

Hilarious, 24 hours ago people here were praising J Allen and talking about the future and now has has to work on his mental game.

 

I just cant believe we have a QB that getting beat up in a playoff game actually had the nerve to look dejected.  I cant believe our QB could have a bad game, really inexcusable.  

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

5 minutes ago, teef said:

weren't you the guy that a few weeks ago was telling everyone they were so depressed because you didn't think this coaching staff would go anywhere in the playoffs?

 

people are over reaction here.  80% of the offense runs through josh, and josh got us there.  it wasn't a perfect game by any means, but this staff has to find a way just to take a bit of it off of josh's shoulders, and make this team a bit less one dimensional.  the kc defense did a great job yesterday, even if certain people decide to ignore that.  

 

 

this team had a good year and there's a lot of room for improvement.  people need to take a deep breath and calm down.

This literally has nothing to do with the topic.

 

Objective observers everywhere can see that the "mental" is an issue with Allen. Why is everyone so afraid of accepting that? I just said I have faith he can improve. But some people just seem to be scared to death to acknowledge the need for improvement.

 

[Sundancer]

3 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

I think we need a real analysis of the tape from last night before we start blaming Allen for this loss. 

 

For example, before the interception to Brown, one play earlier Knox drops a pass that hits him in the hands. 

 

He sailed the sideline throw to Diggs, and forced a few into coverage, bypassed a couple of check downs that were available in the game. 

 

Some of that is the coaches. Someone had to pull him aside and tell him he was missing open checkdowns (I saw this a few times but I don't think that opportunity was there in the plays they were running as much as it could have been). Consider how many times Knox and Yeldon got their number called. They were trying to run some short stuff. It just wasn't enough. 

[oldmanfan]

9 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

Look, I know everyone's upset and wants to defend Josh, but he *absolutely* looked nervy. He's in year 3. What other elite QBs do you see look nervy? Please be objective. It's a big concern. Yes, we're only here because of him, but being here is not good enough. As another poster alluded, the best QBs have ice water in their veins in the biggest moments. Yesterday was a big test for Josh to show he could handle it emotionally/mentally, and he showed that there's a lot of improvement to make in this area. I hope he takes it as seriously over this off-season as he did with his accuracy in prior years. I have faith he can improve, but let's not pretend there's not an issue when there very clearly is.

Most all the other elite QBs in the league have been at it for years now, except Mahomes.  Go back and see if they played in a championship game in year 3, then tell me how they looked.

 

Josh didn't play that well last night.  Their defense played really well, and that's that.  He'll learn and continue to develop from this.

[Sundancer]

2 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

Well I guess i am just silly and embarrassing myself.

 

Hilarious, 24 hours ago people here were praising J Allen and talking about the future and now has has to work on his mental game.

 

I just cant believe we have a QB that getting beat up in a playoff game actually had the nerve to look dejected.  I cant believe our QB could have a bad game, really inexcusable.  

 

Rodgers looked super upbeat yesterday when he shook Brady's hand. 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

Work on his nerves? I know maybe they start by pass protecting better?

[Bsblguy]

40 minutes ago, Adamb412 said:

Completely disagree.  Allen is the QB, any elite QB with the time he had on certain plays would make the defense pay.  Especially with the weapons we have

The “weapons we have” were wearing chiefs players like effing backpacks all around the field, PI/Defensive holding was largely uncalled. when he had time there was nowhere to go with the ball. this loss is on the coaches.

 

there is no shame losing to KC, what I hate is losing the way that we did. Offensive play calling was mind blowing. Defense did what they could, it wasn’t great. But if you want to talk about the weapons someone has, pat threw for 350 while only really throwing the ball downfield occasionally. 
 

this loss is on the coaches. Was josh perfect, no. Same can be said for everyone on each team. He fought like hell, they all did. But the coaches can’t call the game like they are afraid that we aren’t talented enough. They coached scared, that is what I can’t stand.

[oldmanfan]

If the Chiefs play in two weeks they way they played last night, they'll kill Tampa Bay.  Will we see people questioning Brady then?

[Success]

1 minute ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

This literally has nothing to do with the topic.

 

Objective observers everywhere can see that the "mental" is an issue with Allen. Why is everyone so afraid of accepting that? I just said I have faith he can improve. But some people just seem to be scared to death to acknowledge the need for improvement.

 

 

What Orlovsky is describing has nothing to do w/ being "nervy."

 

And pundits are awesome.  I love Orlovsky, but I've seen the same takes here and elsewhere:  Allen shouldn't hang onto the ball too long, but the receivers are all covered.  He shouldn't force it into coverage, but also has to make something happen.

 

Just pure contradictions all over the place.

 

And if Mahomes had a whole game of that - no one open, pressure in his face every play - he'd have the same facial expressions at the end of the game.  And he'd probably throw the ball at a defender and pundits would love his competitive fire for it.

 

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

1 minute ago, oldmanfan said:

If the Chiefs play in two weeks they way they played last night, they'll kill Tampa Bay.  Will we see people questioning Brady then?

There is so much wrong with this argument.

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

29 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

Works hard on his mental game....lol.  Yeah because as we all know Josh Allen is not a hard worker, nope not at all.   

 

If i wanted to hear this crap I would look up what Nick Wright is saying today.

 

Yeah it is tough to lose a game, isn't it, deal with it.

who are you again?

[jimmy10]

55 minutes ago, Adamb412 said:

Josh had a great season no doubt about it, but when the big game comes he choked.  I feel like Josh's mentality is more of Alex Zverev and not that of Djokovic (Tennis Fans). 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

58 minutes ago, Adamb412 said:

Josh had a great season no doubt about it, but when the big game comes he choked.  I feel like Josh's mentality is more of Alex Zverev and not that of Djokovic (Tennis Fans).  When the "No tomorrow" situation comes, he DOESNT leave it all on the field. We squeaked by the colts, without johnson INT vs the ravens, we would of scored ten points total.  Unacceptable. This is my big concern.  How does someone work on nerves? I was joking with my dad during the game last night he needs to take a shot of whiskey to calm the nerves, but obviously the dude does not have ice water in his veins which is something a QB needs.  So what are the solutions? Sports Phych? Yoga? 

 

Guy can't win.  When he plays all-out like his ass is on fire and does crazy *****, then he "lost his head" in the big game.

 

When he sticks with the playcalling script plus runs when he needs to, is under constant pressure and sacked 4x with 0 fumbles, and passes 48 times for 28 completions 287 yards 2 TD 1 INT then adds 88 yds rushing on 7 attempts with 0 fumbles, he "doesn't leave it all on the field"

 

GTFO

[RoyBatty is alive]

2 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

There is so much wrong with this argument.

Why because it is exactly what will happen if Brady losses and you dont like the conclusions from this narrative?

[Straight Hucklebuck]

6 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Most all the other elite QBs in the league have been at it for years now, except Mahomes.  Go back and see if they played in a championship game in year 3, then tell me how they looked.

 

Josh didn't play that well last night.  Their defense played really well, and that's that.  He'll learn and continue to develop from this.

I'm just waiting for the All-22 to show me what big throw that was available that he missed. 

 

Missed checkdowns yes, always chooses to scramble right, holds the ball too long trying to make plays. 

 

But watching that game, I don't know who was open, maybe they should have shortened the routes more, or use McKenzie more?

[TheJauronClap]

57 minutes ago, Adamb412 said:

I don't know what game you were watching but besides a handful of sacks there were times he had time to make a sandwich in the pocket and all his did was double pump and look confused

So you saw when romo showed a lot of plays and all the receivers were in a blanket and josh had no one open

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, Adamb412 said:

He didnt trust his mechanics yesterday he didnt trust his reads.  The KC defense ISNT GOOD!

 

Riiiiiiiight that's why the KC defense is #10 in the league on points (6 spots higher than Bills), #10 on turnovers, and playing for the Superbowl - 'cuz they're not good.  Just stop now before you sprain something.

[billsfan89]

Josh played great against the Colts, the defense couldn't shut the door. Josh played good enough against the Ravens, horrid wind against a great defense not sure what else I would expect in that situation. Against KC Josh was not very good, KC played great and the coaching didn't adjust to help him. I think simply the Bills and Josh needed this deep playoff run to set themselves up to get over that hump. They played 3 playoff games and won 2 of them. They know they can win and they know what it is like to play on a big stage. 

 

I think Josh and this team will grow from this experience. Nerves will be calmer next year because they have been there before. 

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

2 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

Why because it is exactly what will happen if Brady losses and you dont like the conclusions from this narrative?

Good lord. Calm down. Looking nervy is not the same thing as losing or throwing interceptions or having a bad game. Brady will certainly not look nervy in the Super Bowl. And, yeah, the fact that he's won 5 million Super Bowls does give him a bit more of a leash no matter what happens. That's just the way it is.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

10 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

If the Chiefs play in two weeks they way they played last night, they'll kill Tampa Bay.  Will we see people questioning Brady then?

 

I'm questioning Brady right now.  As far as I'm concerned a QB who throws 3 INTs in the Championship Game deserves to be heading home, not to the Dance.

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

1 minute ago, billsfan89 said:

Josh played great against the Colts, the defense couldn't shut the door. Josh played good enough against the Ravens, horrid wind against a great defense not sure what else I would expect in that situation. Against KC Josh was not very good, KC played great and the coaching didn't adjust to help him. I think simply the Bills and Josh needed this deep playoff run to set themselves up to get over that hump. They played 3 playoff games and won 2 of them. They know they can win and they know what it is like to play on a big stage. 

 

I think Josh and this team will grow from this experience. Nerves will be calmer next year because they have been there before. 

Thank you for acknowledging that nerves are an issue. That's all I want people to do... Take the blinders off and be realistic. It doesn't mean it can't improve.

[Heitz]

1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Riiiiiiiight that's why the KC defense is #10 in the league on points (6 spots higher than Bills), #10 on turnovers, and playing for the Superbowl - 'cuz they're not good.  Just stop now before you sprain something.

 

Too late, he also sprained MY brain on this one...  

 

[billsfan89]

Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Riiiiiiiight that's why the KC defense is #10 in the league on points (6 spots higher than Bills), #10 on turnovers, and playing for the Superbowl - 'cuz they're not good.  Just stop now before you sprain something.

 

KC's D-line features Clark and Jones two prime time pass rushers and their secondary is anchored by the Honey Badger who is one of the best in the game among other quality players. They are far from the bums many here are portraying them to be. 

[pigpen65]

Same as the rest of us. Take a Xanax