CodeMonkey Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 Still hoping for the best, but what a stupid time for it to happen in any event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 Just now, JGMcD2 said: If that’s the case, and it very well may be, why was he seen walking around without crutches? Off the field after the game and when he got off the plane, no crutches. Wouldn’t they have him use those to help decrease swelling? That’s right, because the fan called in saying he was walking with a limp. Also, this doesn’t have to mean anything, but what were Allen’s comments today about then? About Beasley doing everything he can do to get back onto the field this week, and if not the week, then next? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dukestreetking Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 Damn, I promised no further replies but--unfortunately as suspected--it is a knee (not further specified). Back2buff is correct in noting a prognosis issue w swelling. If meniscus as suspected, this in part relates to blood innervation...some meniscus tissue gets it, others don't. If former, pretty good news, as intervention may not be required. Just time. Further still, an elite athlete can still play w certain types of meniscus damage. Pain tolerance and stability issue. Hello brace, and good to see you Mr Toradal injection. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 5 minutes ago, Dukestreetking said: Damn, I promised no further replies but--unfortunately as suspected--it is a knee (not further specified). Back2buff is correct in noting a prognosis issue w swelling. If meniscus as suspected, this in part relates to blood innervation...some meniscus tissue gets it, others don't. If former, pretty good news, as intervention may not be required. Just time. Further still, an elite athlete can still play w certain types of meniscus damage. Pain tolerance and stability issue. Hello brace, and good to see you Mr Toradal injection. Barkley was diagnosed that day with ACL, Chubb this year was confirmed by next day, Bosa was confirmed same day with ACL. We’re two days removed and word hasn’t gotten out about ligament damage? Meniscus I can see, but you’d think if it was season ending there would be something by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfaninSB Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 The happiness of crushing the Patriots and just staying optimistic is starting to wear off. This sucks. Especially since it occurred in garbage time. McD hasn’t made a misstep this year except this move. The premier offensive guys should not have been out there. Im not a torch and pitchfork guy but this is starting to bother me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 Cole has been fossilized. Bills are trying out multiple receivers per Bills sources. Been nice knowing you, Cole Beasley, stay safe and farewell. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfaninSB Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: Barkley was diagnosed that day with ACL, Chubb this year was confirmed by next day, Bosa was confirmed same day with ACL. We’re two days removed and word hasn’t gotten out about ligament damage? Meniscus I can see, but you’d think if it was season ending there would be something by now. I believe they announced Devin Bush right away too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterian Bills Fan Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson said: Cole has been fossilized. Bills are trying out multiple receivers per Bills sources. Been nice knowing you, Cole Beasley, stay safe and farewell. They haven't announced he is out until next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 I’m hoping McKenzie can step up for a few games. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transient Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 11 minutes ago, Dukestreetking said: If meniscus as suspected, this in part relates to blood innervation...some meniscus tissue gets it, others don't. Is this something like nerve circulation, there, Dr. Nick Riviera? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
die hard bills fan Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 Any report of an mri being done? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dukestreetking Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: Meniscus I can see, but you’d think if it was season ending there would be something by now This is why I don't think it's ACL/season ending. For all reasons stated above, and b/c it looked like they were doing a "McMurray test" on sidelines, which is for meniscus, not ACL. IF it is meniscus-related (I don't know that) the short answer: diagnosis known quickly, but prognosis is...well, tricky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 9 minutes ago, BillsfaninSB said: I believe they announced Devin Bush right away too. Bud Dupree as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forward Progress Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 With the Kenny Stills discussions, it is likely that Beasley is injured, but this will be confirmed (or not) in due time. McDermott keeps all information close to his chest until he is obligated to release it. Every hour the opponent spends preparing for something they don’t need to takes focus away from the things they should be preparing for. I am anxious about the Beasley injury but I like the tight-lipped Bills team that cares about every competitive advantage they can get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 8 minutes ago, transient said: Is this something like nerve circulation, there, Dr. Nick Riviera? Anatomy professor here. Was going to ask the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 2 hours ago, Back2Buff said: I said this immediately when they were looking at side of knee. I've may or may not been told that they need to wait till swelling goes down, but good chance he is in surgery and done for year (playoffs, etc.). You said it was an ACL injury, which would not be "week to week", nor would they have to "wait until the swelling goes down" to diagnose it - an ACL injury can be diagnosed pretty accurately by a trainer immediately afterwards using a Lachman test or measured variant before there's any swelling to speak of It would also be pretty surprising for Allen to say this if there's a good chance he has to have surgery and is done for the year. At least, I think trainers and physicians have a responsibility to be realistic with the players they work with: 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dukestreetking Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 4 minutes ago, transient said: Is this something like nerve circulation, there, Dr. Nick Riviera? Ok, I'm going to try to be kind-of-nice in this response. But wtf, over? I've made perfectly clear where I am on this issue. And you compare me to some Simpsons character? A quack Doc, no less. In case you haven't guessed, I've gotten a little med cross-training. That's what happens when you've been f***ing fighting in war zones--did you know we have those?--for 17 years. So, crawl back in your safe space little one, and let the goddamn adults handle the bad guys...and this discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thronethinker Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 Everything here is just speculation, except that if he needed surgery he would have likely had it already. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterian Bills Fan Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 5 minutes ago, Forward Progress said: With the Kenny Stills discussions, it is likely that Beasley is injured, but this will be confirmed (or not) in due time. McDermott keeps all information close to his chest until he is obligated to release it. Every hour the opponent spends preparing for something they don’t need to takes focus away from the things they should be preparing for. I am anxious about the Beasley injury but I like the tight-lipped Bills team that cares about every competitive advantage they can get. I'm thinking at this point Cole may miss the WC or be on a snap count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 7 minutes ago, Forward Progress said: With the Kenny Stills discussions, it is likely that Beasley is injured, but this will be confirmed (or not) in due time. McDermott keeps all information close to his chest until he is obligated to release it. Every hour the opponent spends preparing for something they don’t need to takes focus away from the things they should be preparing for. I am anxious about the Beasley injury but I like the tight-lipped Bills team that cares about every competitive advantage they can get. Yeah.....he is injured. That’s already been confirmed. We just don’t know how much time he will miss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterStrategist Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: You said it was an ACL injury, which would not be "week to week", nor would they have to "wait until the swelling goes down" to diagnose it - an ACL injury can be diagnosed pretty accurately by a trainer immediately afterwards using a Lachman test or measured variant before there's any swelling to speak of It would also be pretty surprising for Allen to say this if there's a good chance he has to have surgery and is done for the year. At least, I think trainers and physicians have a responsibility to be realistic with the players they work with: Great news, I think. Still a lot unknown until we here from Beas himself (unlikely), or see if he gets in a limited practice. Listening to the Josh Allen press conference, he certainly sounded optimistic to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 Just now, Dukestreetking said: Ok, I'm going to try to be kind-of-nice in this response. But wtf, over? I've made perfectly clear where I am on this issue. And you compare me to some Simpsons character? A quack Doc, no less. In case you haven't guessed, I've gotten a little med cross-training. That's what happens when you've been f***ing fighting in war zones--did you know we have those?--for 17 years. So, crawl back in your safe space little one, and let the goddamn adults handle the bad guys...and this discussion. I’m an adult, and have a doctorate in Anatomy. The term you were looking for was blood supply, not innervation. The blood supply to the meniscus is pretty limited and primarily through the synovium. No one in this thread can diagnose what what happened to him based on the replay, or the few seconds of the sideline shot with the trainers. So we all should quit guessing. 7 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dukestreetking Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 7 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Anatomy professor here. Was going to ask the same thing. Roger. You can look up (I don't remember off hand), which specific tissue gets metabolic nutritious blood flow (aka, innervation). I'd be sincerely interested in your views, as your insight would be well past my own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transient Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 4 minutes ago, Dukestreetking said: Ok, I'm going to try to be kind-of-nice in this response. But wtf, over? I've made perfectly clear where I am on this issue. And you compare me to some Simpsons character? A quack Doc, no less. In case you haven't guessed, I've gotten a little med cross-training. That's what happens when you've been f***ing fighting in war zones--did you know we have those?--for 17 years. So, crawl back in your safe space little one, and let the goddamn adults handle the bad guys...and this discussion. Talk about going off the rails. You seem to have some difficulty with the meaning of words, most notably “adult” in your above post. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 Just now, Dukestreetking said: Roger. You can look up (I don't remember off hand), which specific tissue gets metabolic nutritious blood flow (aka, innervation). I'd be sincerely interested in your views, as your insight would be well past my own. Innervation is supply of nervous tissue to an area; it has nothing to do with blood supply. You are referring to blood flow or to use another term, perfusion. The peripheral parts of the meniscus can get direct blood flow; the majority (around 70%) of the meniscus gets O2supply and such from the synovial fluid within the joint. One of the reasons microfracture surgery is used to treat cartilage damage is it promotes blood flow to areas that are avascular normally, and brings in progenitor cells that can help generate new tissue. The meniscus act as a sort of shock absorber inside the joint. If (let me repeat IF!!!) he sustained a meniscus injury such as a tear then they could scope him to remove the fragment. They haven’t done that. If it’s a lateral or medial collateral ligament sprain they treat the swelling and such and maybe put him in a brace. I suspect - SUSPECT - if they though it was an ACL or PCL he’d have had an MRI today. Thexanswer is there is no answer yet. Reckless guesses just panic people innecessarily. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dukestreetking Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 12 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: I’m an adult, and have a doctorate in Anatomy. Huh? I was not replying to you or in any way being disrespectful. If you see my reply, I was asking for your insight. More generally, across this entire thread, I've been extremely careful in NOT saying I--or anyone--could diagnose from afar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balln Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 3 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Innervation is supply of nervous tissue to an area; it has nothing to do with blood supply. You are referring to blood flow or to use another term, perfusion. The peripheral parts of the meniscus can get direct blood flow; the majority (around 70%) of the meniscus gets O2supply and such from the synovial fluid within the joint. One of the reasons microfracture surgery is used to treat cartilage damage is it promotes blood flow to areas that are avascular normally, and brings in progenitor cells that can help generate new tissue. The meniscus act as a sort of shock absorber inside the joint. If (let me repeat IF!!!) he sustained a meniscus injury such as a tear then they could scope him to remove the fragment. They haven’t done that. If it’s a lateral or medial collateral ligament sprain they treat the swelling and such and maybe put him in a brace. I suspect - SUSPECT - if they though it was an ACL or PCL he’d have had an MRI today. Thexanswer is there is no answer yet. Reckless guesses just panic people innecessarily. 100% correct. hed have had an MRI tuesday. he def doesnt have an ACL its meniscus. you dont injur your mcl or even LCL non contact the way beasely did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, balln said: 100% correct. hed have had an MRI tuesday. he def doesnt have an ACL its meniscus. you dont injur your mcl or even LCL non contact the way beasely did Please quit talking in definitives when nothing is definitive. 3 minutes ago, Dukestreetking said: Huh? I was not replying to you or in any way being disrespectful. If you see my reply, I was asking for your insight. More generally, across this entire thread, I've been extremely careful in NOT saying I--or anyone--could diagnose from afar. Just trying to offer clarification Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balln Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 Just now, oldmanfan said: Please quit talking in definitives when nothing is definitive. please dont read / or dont get so bothered of course its not definitive / pure speculation - but im an orthopaedic surgeon. what do i know 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 1 minute ago, balln said: please dont read / or dont get so bothered of course its not definitive / pure speculation - but im an orthopaedic surgeon. what do i know Then you should know not to speculate, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balln Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 Just now, oldmanfan said: Then you should know not to speculate, right? why? my buddies and i all the time talk about injuries from watching games.... you know speculation isnt illegal right? football announcers sometimes say " i dont want to speculate" and then they go ahead and do 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfaninSB Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 39 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: Bud Dupree as well. Bills also announced Cody Ford’s season ending injury the following day if I recall correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 Just now, balln said: why? my buddies and i all the time talk about injuries from watching games.... you know speculation isnt illegal right? football announcers sometimes say " i dont want to speculate" and then they go ahead and do It’s just that you have a multiple page thread of panicked fans. No reason to make it worse. We’ll know soon enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 We seem to have a lot of medical degreed professionals commenting on this thread, what does a moderate meniscus injury mean? 3-weeks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddick Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 26 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: The term you were looking for was blood supply, not innervation. The blood supply to the meniscus is pretty limited and primarily through the synovium. I thought the same thing but didn't say anything here because I couldn't remember how to spell synovium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balln Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 Just now, oldmanfan said: It’s just that you have a multiple page thread of panicked fans. No reason to make it worse. We’ll know soon enough. I DO agree with you on that. We ALL need relax and breathe. ITs still just football. Even tho i was a panicked patty the minute it happened Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 When I got up this morning I had no idea I’d be reading a football chat room thread with words like innervation and meniscus. My brain hurts! Or is it my knee? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balln Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 Just now, Straight Hucklebuck said: We seem to have a lot of medical degreed professionals commenting on this thread, what does a moderate meniscus injury mean? 3-weeks? moderate doesnt mean anything to me. its tear pattern and location / mechanical symptoms that matter. its really too hard to say how long. also professional athlets and based on their position changes the algorithm 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 1 minute ago, balln said: I DO agree with you on that. We ALL need relax and breathe. ITs still just football. Even tho i was a panicked patty the minute it happened As an orthopedic I would be interested in whether you think he plays in the first playoff game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maynard Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, balln said: I DO agree with you on that. We ALL need relax and breathe. ITs still just football. Even tho i was a panicked patty the minute it happened Well, does anyone here know of a good damn psychologist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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