What will a Jon Feliciano and Daryl Williams extension look like?

[GunnerBill]

10 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

We gotta keep Daryl WIlliams......they found gold there and Daryl isnt old

 

 

Mongo is a no brainer

 

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Not sure the numbers will work out sadly John.

[atlbillsfan1975]

3 hours ago, JoPoy88 said:

Klein’s gonna have to play more than a few good games for me to erase how he’s played up until last week. He went off for sure, but was mostly terrible up till the seahawks. No where near enough good tape to think about letting milano go.

Agree on Klein. I didn’t do a great job on making my point with the post. It was more in regards to the position Milano plays and finding a replacement. That replacement doesn’t need to be Klein per say. It could come through a draft pick. 

[thebandit27]

11 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

We gotta keep Daryl WIlliams......they found gold there and Daryl isnt old

 

 

Mongo is a no brainer

 

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When one looks at the numbers, they’ll need to make some cuts if they want to fit both guys under the cap. The only appreciable savings would come from Vernon Butler and Quentin Jefferson, so basically the team has a choice: re-sign Mongo and Williams and go into the offseason needing to rebuild the interior of their front 7, let those two walk and go into the offseason needing to build the right side of their OL and fill in at LB, or a little from each column.

 

8 hours ago, ganesh said:

It is possible Morse may retire due to these concussions.    That is a possibility that will play into paying Feliciano and Williams

 

Morse’s contract contains a portion of 2021 base salary that is guaranteed for injury only, so I believe that would get activated if he has to retire from concussions. That would actually worsen the cap hit for 2021,

so I expect that the team doc will clear him unless is massively irresponsible to do so.

[ganesh]

6 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

IMO the reason nobody is talking about Milano this week is that they know he's coming back soon. If he was going to be gone a long time there'd be pissing and moaning and it would make total sense.

 

Milano and Edmurds together make this a much better defense.

I think the results from the experiment of  Edmunds playing Milano's position will tell us where the team will be headed with regards to his extension

[Thurman#1]

3 hours ago, ganesh said:

I think the results from the experiment of  Edmunds playing Milano's position will tell us where the team will be headed with regards to his extension

 

 

Haven't seen anything about Edmunds switching position. If I've just missed it ... I still doubt it's seen as an experiment in the way you're suggesting. More the best way to utilize the people who are healthy right now. EDIT: you're not referring to the very few plays last week when they switched him outside, are you? That would appear to be more about crossing up the offense than anything else.

 

I'd guess that cap (and possibly their view of his injury history) would be a lot more important in figuring whether we keep him or Feliciano or Daryl Williams than how Edmunds does in his position.

 

7 hours ago, billsfan89 said:

 

I hope his agent talks him into signing a one year deal to hit the market when the cap is higher. 

 

 

If he does, IMO it would decrease the possibility that it would be us paying that contract. 

 

I howled last year about cap responsibility. I was shocked when they spent so much money before re-signing Dawkins and Tre, leaving us so little. Now it looks like doing that will hurt us, and more so due to COVID's effect on the cap next year.

Edited November 15, 2020 by Thurman#1

[thebandit27]

15 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Haven't seen anything about Edmunds switching position. If I've just missed it ... I still doubt it's seen as an experiment in the way you're suggesting. More the best way to utilize the people who are healthy right now. 

 

I'd guess that cap (and possibly their view of his injury history) would be a lot more important in figuring whether we keep him or Feliciano or Daryl Williams than how Edmunds does in his position.

 

 

If he does, IMO it would decrease the possibility that it would be us paying that contract. 

 

I howled last year about cap responsibility. I was shocked when they spent so much money before re-signing Dawkins and Tre, leaving us so little. Now it looks like doing that will hurt us, and more so due to COVID's effect on the cap next year.

The more I think about it, the more I believe that they could choose to dump Jefferson and Butler to keep Mongo and Williams. I mean, they do have Star coming back, and I think Zimmer is an ERFA, so their interior 4 going into the offseason would be those 2 plus Oliver and Harry; not inspiring but not dire straights either.

 

So you’d basically be looking at having to beef up at DL and LB with tier 3 FAs and the draft, but you’d keep your offense intact save for some role players like McKenzie and Kroft.

[CommonCents]

15 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

The more I think about it, the more I believe that they could choose to dump Jefferson and Butler to keep Mongo and Williams. I mean, they do have Star coming back, and I think Zimmer is an ERFA, so their interior 4 going into the offseason would be those 2 plus Oliver and Harry; not inspiring but not dire straights either.

 

So you’d basically be looking at having to beef up at DL and LB with tier 3 FAs and the draft, but you’d keep your offense intact save for some role players like McKenzie and Kroft.

Based on the performance of each unit the past two seasons, I’d have a hard time understanding them not signing Williams and Mongo and revamping the D Front. 

 

Shuffle the deck and bring in a few new faces on D, keep the O intact. 

[Victory Formation]

9 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

IMO the reason nobody is talking about Milano this week is that they know he's coming back soon. If he was going to be gone a long time there'd be pissing and moaning and it would make total sense.

 

Milano and Edmurds together make this a much better defense.

I just think it’s much easier to find a solid starting LB than it is to find a very good RT.. Good tackles go in the top of the 1st round... by the time you hit the bottom of the first they’re all gone.. I think Daryl Williams is the most important free agent for us to sign.. Dawkins, Morse and Williams provide Josh with all day to throw.. You gotta protect your franchise QB.. especially since we’re a passing team.. 

 

Mongo OTOH provides a lot of bite to this OL.. I felt like our line performed better with him at center and with Bates and Boettger at guard.. There is an easy out in Morse’s contract next year and I think we should take it and re-sign Feliciano to a 2 year deal around $6.5M-$7M a year.. Bates goes to backup center and guard, he’s more than capable..

 

Milano to me has been a disappointment this year... I’d take him back on a 1 year prove it deal but I would not pay him big money... I think you go LB round 1 and where we’re picking at the bottom of the first, usually there’s some pretty good ones available.. 1st RD MLB + Edmunds + Klein and we’re cooking..

 

At DT, don’t forget we’re getting Star Lotulelei back.. that should be a huge boon.. I’m not sure what Vernon Butler or Quinton Jefferson’s contracts look like but if we can get out of these contracts you do it.. Bills should draft a huge NT in the second round.. preferably in the mold of Ted Washington, Pat Williams or Sam Adams.. but I think if you take a true MLB RD1 and a massive NT RD2, our defensive woes will be long gone..

 

 

[Thurman#1]

17 minutes ago, Victory Formation said:

I just think it’s much easier to find a solid starting LB than it is to find a very good RT.. Good tackles go in the top of the 1st round... by the time you hit the bottom of the first they’re all gone.. I think Daryl Williams is the most important free agent for us to sign.. Dawkins, Morse and Williams provide Josh with all day to throw.. You gotta protect your franchise QB.. especially since we’re a passing team.. 

 

Mongo OTOH provides a lot of bite to this OL.. I felt like our line performed better with him at center and with Bates and Boettger at guard.. There is an easy out in Morse’s contract next year and I think we should take it and re-sign Feliciano to a 2 year deal around $6.5M-$7M a year.. Bates goes to backup center and guard, he’s more than capable..

 

Milano to me has been a disappointment this year... I’d take him back on a 1 year prove it deal but I would not pay him big money... I think you go LB round 1 and where we’re picking at the bottom of the first, usually there’s some pretty good ones available.. 1st RD MLB + Edmunds + Klein and we’re cooking..

 

At DT, don’t forget we’re getting Star Lotulelei back.. that should be a huge boon.. I’m not sure what Vernon Butler or Quinton Jefferson’s contracts look like but if we can get out of these contracts you do it.. Bills should draft a huge NT in the second round.. preferably in the mold of Ted Washington, Pat Williams or Sam Adams.. but I think if you take a true MLB RD1 and a massive NT RD2, our defensive woes will be long gone..

 

 

 

 

I'd agree that it's easier to find a solid starting LB than it is to find a very good RT.

 

But you don't replace Milano with a solid starting LB. He's one of the absolute best pass defending LBs around and he's very instinctive and solid in the run game too. It's just as hard to find a Matt Milano as a Daryl Williams.

 

And every time Milano has been in this year the whole offense has been noticeably better, and not by a little bit. And please, enough with the Edmunds to outside stuff. The fans like it. The coaches show no sign of that. Just the opposite. 

 

IMO you don't get a Pat Williams or Sam Adams in the second round either, or at least the odds are very high against it (yes, I know Pat Williams was a UDFA but the odds are still stacked against it. I do know we get Lotulelei back and that should really help.

 

40 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

The more I think about it, the more I believe that they could choose to dump Jefferson and Butler to keep Mongo and Williams. I mean, they do have Star coming back, and I think Zimmer is an ERFA, so their interior 4 going into the offseason would be those 2 plus Oliver and Harry; not inspiring but not dire straights either.

 

So you’d basically be looking at having to beef up at DL and LB with tier 3 FAs and the draft, but you’d keep your offense intact save for some role players like McKenzie and Kroft.

 

 

I doubt it myself, but yeah, that's a reasonable possibility.

Edited November 15, 2020 by Thurman#1

[Maynard]

We need to keep both.  They are both studs and an integral part to keeping Allen safe. 

[Doc]

Williams is the most important guy to keep and it's not even close because he's helping to protect the franchise QB (and the best defense...).  With Dawkins and Morse being excellent and at the other important positions on the OL, and with Ford and Bates under contract for at least another year and Boettger being a no-brainer to RFA tag, they can let Feliciano walk and still field an excellent OL.

 

As for Milano, they should make a reasonable attempt to keep him but he will probably get decent offers elsewhere.  Personally I think they should move Edmunds outside permanently and find a true MLB.

[Blank Stare]

I’d get rid of all these old/underperforming guys on the d-line next year and give the money to some combination of Milano, Williams, and Feliciano. Then go DL heavy in the draft. More specifically, DE/pass rushers. 

[Milanos Milano]

On 11/14/2020 at 8:21 AM, atlbillsfan1975 said:

After last year everyone was talking about Milano vs Dawkins....it could come down to Milano vs Williams. If Klein and Edmunds can play another couple of good games together, we may get our answer on Milano. 
$10-13mil a year for a Very good RT is a much wiser investment than a banged up LB’er.

Give me Daryl over Milano any day of the week. Better investment. 

The line is much harder to build than LBs. Rather find a way to keep Feliciano and Daryl. 

[BillsCuse]

On 11/14/2020 at 11:28 AM, thebandit27 said:

I think they’re both goners to be honest. With the cap dropping and the relative ease of filling RT and off-ball LB, they’re more likely to let them walk and take the comp picks. Bring back Ty at RT and draft a few LBs.

RT hasn't been that easy for us, its been pretty bad actually.  Jordan Mills, Cyrus K were terrible.  I agree on the LB though

[ganesh]

13 minutes ago, BillsCuse said:

RT hasn't been that easy for us, its been pretty bad actually.  Jordan Mills, Cyrus K were terrible.  I agree on the LB though

we have not had a good RT in the last 20+ years...The last best RT was Williams our 3rd overall pick

[3rdand12]

On 11/14/2020 at 11:35 AM, klos63 said:

Nsekhe has hardly played in the year and a half with the Bills,  I can't imagine when he turns 36, he'll be counted on to be our RT if we lose Williams. Doesn't make much sense.

I would prefer they found a smart way to keep Williams.
and i prefer him over any LB we have in house if i am investing.
John should get paid for what he has given Bills so far. Flexibilty and run game mauler. But was injured and missed time.
As mentioned and Spain contract or there abouts sounds right
 

[3rdand12]

On 11/14/2020 at 1:04 PM, Penfield45 said:

your joking right 

 

Klein is a mediocre player and nowhere near the talent Milano is LOL 

I think Bills are looking at D Lee to compare to Milano.
 

Milano is our best Backer when on the field. and gives McFrasier that flexibilty they so cherish . Milano can cover the whole field. I am huge fan but injuries might help us contract wise.

 Going to be tough year for the Bills budget. Lets see how smart McBeanes finance team truly is

On 11/14/2020 at 1:59 PM, GreggTX said:

I'm not of the impression that Feliciano is anything other than average. Daryl Williams just made someone's all-pro team at the midpoint of this season. At least they are both experienced. Signing Williams to an extension should be a top priority. We need to draft or trade for a better pair of starting G's. I'd like Feliciano to backup at C and G, but I don't want to pay depth $7 mill/yr. We can find better starters. When will Morse be back?

Lets just assume Mitch is done after this year for health reasons. Do you pay Feliciano that money to play center ? worth thinking on

Edited November 15, 2020 by 3rdand12

[3rdand12]

9 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Not sure the numbers will work out sadly John.

Trust the Beanes if they feel it is for the best .
As mentioned  above more than once , No small task under this coming years cap.

Edited November 15, 2020 by 3rdand12

[BarleyNY]

12 hours ago, billsfan89 said:

 

I hope his agent talks him into signing a one year deal to hit the market when the cap is higher. 

Assuming the league wide expectation is that the cap jumps back up in 2022 I do not expect players worthy of sizable long term contracts to take much of a hit.  Players looking at one or two year contracts are going to bear the brunt of that along with the overpaid/underperforming ones. 

[BarleyNY]

6 hours ago, thebandit27 said:

The more I think about it, the more I believe that they could choose to dump Jefferson and Butler to keep Mongo and Williams. I mean, they do have Star coming back, and I think Zimmer is an ERFA, so their interior 4 going into the offseason would be those 2 plus Oliver and Harry; not inspiring but not dire straights either.

 

So you’d basically be looking at having to beef up at DL and LB with tier 3 FAs and the draft, but you’d keep your offense intact save for some role players like McKenzie and Kroft.

Yup, that’s generally how I see it too.  If you’re looking at the value you’re getting from each unit and player, then the defensive front seven and Morse may bear the brunt of the 2021 cap squeeze.  It makes sense to cut a little deeper on the underperforming side and keep the better performers on the better unit. But that’s speculation based on the worst case league cap situation.  I don’t know that it’ll be that bad. 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

You know that it would be untrue 
You know the Bills would be a liar 
If they were to say to you 
John, we couldn't go much higher…on the offer.

[purple haze]

On 11/14/2020 at 8:28 AM, thebandit27 said:

I think they’re both goners to be honest. With the cap dropping and the relative ease of filling RT and off-ball LB, they’re more likely to let them walk and take the comp picks. Bring back Ty at RT and draft a few LBs.

Ty is 30-something to.  He’s not the long term future.  I wouldn’t write off Beane bringing Williams back.   I think Milano is definitely gone unless he takes 6-7 million per year, multi-year deal or a bit larger 1 year deal to re-set his value.  And while the cap will go down, it might not go down to the worst case scenario number that has been talked about.

Edited November 15, 2020 by purple haze

[klos63]

4 hours ago, 3rdand12 said:

I would prefer they found a smart way to keep Williams.
and i prefer him over any LB we have in house if i am investing.
John should get paid for what he has given Bills so far. Flexibilty and run game mauler. But was injured and missed time.
As mentioned and Spain contract or there abouts sounds right
 

Williams is an excellent right tackle , you have to pay him to keep him. Teams should pay their tackles well.

[3rdand12]

23 hours ago, klos63 said:

Williams is an excellent right tackle , you have to pay him to keep him. Teams should pay their tackles well.

Yep !

[thenorthremembers]

Like it or not Daryl Williams is playing his way into the Pro Bowl this year.  He is at what is becoming a prime position in the league, and he is playing at a very high level.   He is the type of player you want to let test the market, especially with the cap being low.   If you offer him a fair contract right at the end of the season you're looking at a $10 million dollar a year player.  If he tests the market and finds no one willing to pay him the money because the cap is $175 million than you may get him back at a lower rate.

 

If you pay Feliciano like a guard, he probably gets what Spain got last year.  $5 million per.   He is the guy you look to lock up first.

[Doc]

35 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

Like it or not Daryl Williams is playing his way into the Pro Bowl this year.  He is at what is becoming a prime position in the league, and he is playing at a very high level.   He is the type of player you want to let test the market, especially with the cap being low.   If you offer him a fair contract right at the end of the season you're looking at a $10 million dollar a year player.  If he tests the market and finds no one willing to pay him the money because the cap is $175 million than you may get him back at a lower rate.

 

If you pay Feliciano like a guard, he probably gets what Spain got last year.  $5 million per.   He is the guy you look to lock up first.

The problem with that is that, while the cap will be lower, some team or teams will have the room to sign him. And then you lose him. I would take him for $10 million a year.

[thenorthremembers]

18 minutes ago, Doc said:

The problem with that is that, while the cap will be lower, some team or teams will have the room to sign him. And then you lose him. I would take him for $10 million a year.

I honestly think the Bills will lose both Milano and Williams next offseason.  If the cap truly goea down to 175 they are going to have to rework contracts like Smoke, Jerry Hughes, and Klein and outright cut Vernon Butler just to draft, sign rfas, and be at the cap.  

[Doc]

9 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

I honestly think the Bills will lose both Milano and Williams next offseason.  If the cap truly goea down to 175 they are going to have to rework contracts like Smoke, Jerry Hughes, and Klein and outright cut Vernon Butler just to draft, sign rfas, and be at the cap.  

 

I think it will affect a lot of teams and thus the players.  A compromise would be in everyone's best interest.

[Victory Formation]

7 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

I honestly think the Bills will lose both Milano and Williams next offseason.  If the cap truly goea down to 175 they are going to have to rework contracts like Smoke, Jerry Hughes, and Klein and outright cut Vernon Butler just to draft, sign rfas, and be at the cap.  

Think Morse will be gone too... there’s an out in his contract..

[Dkollidas]

11 hours ago, thenorthremembers said:

I honestly think the Bills will lose both Milano and Williams next offseason.  If the cap truly goea down to 175 they are going to have to rework contracts like Smoke, Jerry Hughes, and Klein and outright cut Vernon Butler just to draft, sign rfas, and be at the cap.  

Cover 1’s Greg Tompsett was on Sports Talk Saturday on WGR this past weekend and gave a good basic idea of what they can/should do for cap space. 

With roughly 40 players signed on next year, they have about $2M in cap space.

 

They should have about $3.5M-$3.75M to roll over into next year.
Which takes the total to $5.5M-$5.75M

 

The easy cuts look to be Butler, Matakevich &

Lee Smith. These 3 alone save them about $12.5M.

That takes the total to about $18.0-$18.25.

There’s also some contract extensions that could be negotiated this off-season, in particular, John Brown, Jerry Hughes and Micah Hyde. Each guys extension could save $2M-$3M on the cap. Let’s say they extend two of them and average $2.5M in savings on each, adding another $5M in cap space.

New total would be roughly $23M-$23.5M

Lastly they could renegotiate with guys like Morse, Diggs or Addison in order to push some of their cap into the future. I believe this is a last resort for Beane and he won’t do it unless he can’t negotiate extensions with those listed above. 
 

Altogether $23.5M should be enough to:

1. Sign our current draft class ($3.5M)

 

2. Re-Sign about 5 guys around 750K-$1.5M ($5.5M) (guys like EJ Gaines this year, or maybe even a Ty Nsekhe or Tyler Kroft will come cheap this coming season due to the Covid restricted cap space) 

 

3. Re-Sign Feliciano to a Spain-eque deal (3yrs $5Maav, with an out after each year). 
 

Leaving us with about $8M-$9M to bring back Milano or Daryl Williams. And that’s with 40 on the roster, 7 draft picks, and another 5 players towards the lower end of the roster pay. 

 

 

I know Milano could get more elsewhere, but I have a feeling they’ll try to bring him back on a 1yr prove it deal around $6M-$7M. His injuries this season, combined with his affinity for the team, and his minimalist personality, tells me that something like this will get done as long as Milano comes back in this last part of the season and contributes.

 

 

[Royale with Cheese]

If Morse truly isn’t going to be a starter going forward, I think we save $4.5 million if he’s cut.  That would Im sure go to Felciano or Williams.

[Doc]

9 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

If Morse truly isn’t going to be a starter going forward, I think we save $4.5 million if he’s cut.  That would Im sure go to Felciano or Williams.

 

If my calculations are correct, it's only about $2M.  Not sure it's worth it.

[MAJBobby]

On 11/14/2020 at 11:16 AM, Victory Formation said:

First I must say, Jon Feliciano has been a huge factor in the run game.. it seems that when he is out we’re getting 2/3ypc but when he’s in Moss/Singletary are breaking huge runs and they have huge creases and lanes to run through.. Definitely feel like he is an above average guard and an excellent backup center in the event that Morse goes down...

 

Daryl Williams OTOH has been playing at a very high level this year.. He has been very good on that right side of the line.. I think of all our free agent signings this offseason minus Stefon Diggs, Williams by far has been the most impressive.. Allen has had a fantastic pocket all year for him to step into... Dawkins, Morse and Williams giving him plenty of time..

 

So, if we were looking to extend Williams and Feliciano, what do you guys think their contracts would look like?

Feliciano - 5M AAV

Williams - 6M AAV 

 

Both will have depressed value with the depressed market this offseason.

24 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

If my calculations are correct, it's only about $2M.  Not sure it's worth it.

4.8M saved would be the result of Morse being cut

 

Now when I say depressed cap I mean flat cap or a small drop, the NFL and NFLPA are not going to allow projected 25M drop, just wont happen, then teams like Saints are just under 100M OVER the cap.  

[thenorthremembers]

48 minutes ago, Dkollidas said:

Cover 1’s Greg Tompsett was on Sports Talk Saturday on WGR this past weekend and gave a good basic idea of what they can/should do for cap space. 

With roughly 40 players signed on next year, they have about $2M in cap space.

 

They should have about $3.5M-$3.75M to roll over into next year.
Which takes the total to $5.5M-$5.75M

 

The easy cuts look to be Butler, Matakevich &

Lee Smith. These 3 alone save them about $12.5M.

That takes the total to about $18.0-$18.25.

There’s also some contract extensions that could be negotiated this off-season, in particular, John Brown, Jerry Hughes and Micah Hyde. Each guys extension could save $2M-$3M on the cap. Let’s say they extend two of them and average $2.5M in savings on each, adding another $5M in cap space.

New total would be roughly $23M-$23.5M

Lastly they could renegotiate with guys like Morse, Diggs or Addison in order to push some of their cap into the future. I believe this is a last resort for Beane and he won’t do it unless he can’t negotiate extensions with those listed above. 
 

Altogether $23.5M should be enough to:

1. Sign our current draft class ($3.5M)

 

2. Re-Sign about 5 guys around 750K-$1.5M ($5.5M) (guys like EJ Gaines this year, or maybe even a Ty Nsekhe or Tyler Kroft will come cheap this coming season due to the Covid restricted cap space) 

 

3. Re-Sign Feliciano to a Spain-eque deal (3yrs $5Maav, with an out after each year). 
 

Leaving us with about $8M-$9M to bring back Milano or Daryl Williams. And that’s with 40 on the roster, 7 draft picks, and another 5 players towards the lower end of the roster pay. 

 

 

I know Milano could get more elsewhere, but I have a feeling they’ll try to bring him back on a 1yr prove it deal around $6M-$7M. His injuries this season, combined with his affinity for the team, and his minimalist personality, tells me that something like this will get done as long as Milano comes back in this last part of the season and contributes.

 

 

Every game Milano misses he loses more money.  The good news is every team has to adhere to the 175 million dollar cap so free agent spending will be done in the offseason.   I think 8-9 Million is probably where Milano ends up.  He lost a lot of money due to injury.

[Doc]

5 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

4.8M saved would be the result of Morse being cut

 

Now when I say depressed cap I mean flat cap or a small drop, the NFL and NFLPA are not going to allow projected 25M drop, just wont happen, then teams like Saints are just under 100M OVER the cap.  

 

Ah, you're using post-June 1st.  Got it.

[MAJBobby]

4 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Ah, you're using post-June 1st.  Got it.

Actually no I am using Pre-June 1 for 2021. 4.875M savings if Cut

 

https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/buffalo-bills/

Edited November 17, 2020 by MAJBobby

[Victory Formation]

13 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Feliciano - 5M AAV

Williams - 6M AAV 

 

Both will have depressed value with the depressed market this offseason

In regards to our OL..
 

If I had to guess.. I think Daryl Williams ends up at about $10M/yr... Great player but let’s not pretend that he doesn’t have an extensive injury history... He’s averaged 11 games per season over his career and that’s concerning.. Doubt he’ll see a whole lot of guaranteed money it’ll most likely be performance based..

 

Feliciano OTOH is a solid guard but not someone I’d overpay for.. $5M/yr sounds about right.. Could maybe see it going up to $6M/yr but not much more than that.. May be the odd man out.. could see Morse leaving too...

 

If I had just one to pick just one it’d be Daryl Williams.. especially if his contract has outs due to injury.. good tackles are much harder to find than interior o-linemen and his contract shouldn’t be too big considering injuries.. 

 

 

Ford has been underwhelming but his play has been adequate.. Huge talent and high ceiling though and he’s making less than $2M/yr.. I think you leave him at LG, let him grow, cheap contract, potential to be very good... keep Boettger, Bates and Winters as backup linemen in case of injury.. draft another center and guard.. If it were me I’d let Morse and Feliciano walk.. Draft a center RDs 1-2 if you have too.. find talented linemen that you can sign to cheap rookie deals.. Let’s not pretend that Morse and Feliciano are good linemen, they’re okay but not worth paying big money to.. That interior o-line has had trouble running the ball.. Allen is a very good play action QB so I think we need to do a better job pounding the ball for our offense to be hitting on all cylinders... I’d like to see our line rebuilt with cheap rookie contracts..

 

[MAJBobby]

Just now, Victory Formation said:

In regards to our OL..
 

If I had to guess.. I think Daryl Williams ends up at about $10M/yr... Great player but let’s not pretend that he doesn’t have an extensive injury history... He’s averaged 11 games per season over his career and that’s concerning.. Doubt he’ll see a whole lot of guaranteed money it’ll most likely be performance based..

 

Feliciano OTOH is a solid guard but not someone I’d overpay for.. $5M/yr sounds about right.. Could maybe see it going up to $6M/yr but not much more than that.. May be the odd man out.. could see Morse leaving too...

 

If I had just one to pick just one it’d be Daryl Williams.. especially if his contract has outs due to injury.. good tackles are much harder to find than interior o-linemen and his contract shouldn’t be too big considering injuries.. 

 

 

Ford has been underwhelming but his play has been adequate.. Huge talent and high ceiling though and he’s making less than $2M/yr.. I think you leave him at LG, let him grow, cheap contract, potential to be very good... keep Boettger, Bates and Winters as backup linemen in case of injury.. draft another center and guard.. If it were me I’d let Morse and Feliciano walk.. Draft a center RDs 1-2 if you have too.. find talented linemen that you can sign to cheap rookie deals.. Let’s not pretend that Morse and Feliciano are good linemen, they’re okay but not worth paying big money to.. That interior o-line has had trouble running the ball.. Allen is a very good play action QB so I think we need to do a better job pounding the ball for our offense to be hitting on all cylinders... I’d like to see our line rebuilt with cheap rookie contracts..

 

Maybe in a normal market.  In a depressed market with Cap Strapped teams, you are going to see a reset at all positions (except for the ELITE).  

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

1 hour ago, Dkollidas said:

3. Re-Sign Feliciano to a Spain-eque deal (3yrs $5Maav, with an out after each year). 

Is this stereotyping? 🤔

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[ColoradoBills]

13 hours ago, thenorthremembers said:

I honestly think the Bills will lose both Milano and Williams next offseason.  If the cap truly goea down to 175 they are going to have to rework contracts like Smoke, Jerry Hughes, and Klein and outright cut Vernon Butler just to draft, sign rfas, and be at the cap.  

 

Half the league is in this situation.  The league will have specifics to address this during the off season.

I don't think it will be as bad as some fans think.