Dan Shaunnessy: For Patriots, Bills means it’s over: the division, the path to playoffs, and the dynasty

[PromoTheRobot]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

Shaunnessy has ***** all over Buffalo for 20 years. Whether they had a good season or not, he threw dirt on them and the city. So this is just satisfying. If you told me a year ago we would be reading this on nov 1 2020, I wouldn’t have believed it. 

 

But it's also true that Shaunnessy is Boston's Jerry Sullivan: a guy who just overreacts to everything to get a rise out of people. He's just happy he can finally land a few blows on a guy (Belichick) who's been untouchable until now.

Edited November 2, 2020 by PromoTheRobot

[PatsFanNH]

Just now, PromoTheRobot said:

 

But it's also true that Shaunnessy is Boston's Jerry Sullivan: a guy who just overreacts to everything to get a rise out of people. He just happy he can land a few blows on a guy (Belichick) who's been untouchable until now.

Or is still untouchable. Hell Brady could still run for Governor and win in a landslide up here lol

[PromoTheRobot]

1 minute ago, PatsFanNH said:

Or is still untouchable. Hell Brady could still run for Governor and win in a landslide up here lol

 

Of course. Haven't they shown every Tampa game on local TV this year? Probably more people watching than the Pats right now.

[PatsFanNH]

Just now, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Of course. Haven't they shown every Tampa game on local TV this year? Probably more people watching than the Pats right now.

Yes they have.  I am sure it was even split in the beginning when NE started 2-1.. but I am sure a lot of the bandwagon starting to empty to Tampa now.  It feels good I don’t have to face palm when some dumb bandwagon fan says something well stupid anymore lol.

[PromoTheRobot]

2 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

Yes they have.  I am sure it was even split in the beginning when NE started 2-1.. but I am sure a lot of the bandwagon starting to empty to Tampa now.  It feels good I don’t have to face palm when some dumb bandwagon fan says something well stupid anymore lol.

 

I live in NH too. My boss is a Pats STHer. Said he wasn't missing going to games at all if they are going to be that bad.

 

I also show him my Bills ST invoice. Comparable seats I pay about 20% what he pays.

Edited November 2, 2020 by PromoTheRobot

[Freddie's Dead]

In the immortal words of Jordan O'Neill, Dan Shaughnessy can "SUCK MY ####".  He also disrespected the Bing, so Tony should whack him like he did Ralph....

Edited November 2, 2020 by Freddie's Dead

[TigerJ]

If Belichick remains at New England, he will at some point be likely to mount a successful rebuild.  Beane needs to really work at solidifying the team and shoring up the weak spots this season has revealed if they hope to fend off Belichick's rebuild and hold on the the AFC East crown, and of course, move far into the playoffs and, hopefully, win a few Super Bowls.

[PatsFanNH]

4 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

I live in NH too. My boss is a Pats STHer. Said he wasn't missing going to games at all if they are going to be that bad.

 

I also show him my Bills ST invoice. Comparable seats I pay about 20% what he pays.

Ya I use to have season tickets, but I just couldn’t afford them anymore.  Reason why Gillette is so quiet is because it’s mostly businesses that own seats, a lot of us die hard fans were priced out.

[Success]

He called us the "pathetic Bills Mafia" this offseason, and also said the Bills would be a "tomato can" for the Pats yet again.

 

How ya like us now, Danny? Welcome back to the true golden age of Boston sports (a.k.a. back to being the lovable losers....)

 

[PatsFanNH]

7 minutes ago, Success said:

He called us the "pathetic Bills Mafia" this offseason, and also said the Bills would be a "tomato can" for the Pats yet again.

 

How ya like us now, Danny? Welcome back to the true golden age of Boston sports (a.k.a. back to being the lovable losers....)

 

Lmao celtics and Bruins still two very good teams so we are still set up be championship city.. lol. But ya this guy is a tool.. 

[Success]

1 minute ago, PatsFanNH said:

Lmao celtics and Bruins still two very good teams so we are still set up be championship city.. lol. But ya this guy is a tool.. 

 

Nah.  Celts aren't built well, and keep getting knocked out in the same round of the playoffs.  The benefits from that Brooklyn deal are over, and they've basically hit a ceiling, while 4-5 other teams in the East continue to get better.

 

And the Bruins are definitely done.  That team is in for a rebuild now just like the Pats.

 

[Gordio]

1 hour ago, PatsFanNH said:

Cam looked good for 3 games, then COVID happened and well it’s like his body aged 20 years in a week.  I personally expected a down year, I wanted Stidham to start. (I said so here before Brady officially left I expected Stidham be our QB this year) maybe it’s because I’ve been around football long enough to see the end when it happens. (Shrug) 

 

oh and if the Pats lose out they would pick before the Jets since the Jets would have beaten them twice. 

 

 

Yeah Stidham sucked at Auburn and he sucks now, you don't want him as your QB.  The best thing for the Pats now is to try to ship Gilmore off, tank the season and zero in on a QB.  Not sure if the Pats could get Lawrence, but Fields would be a nice consolation prize.  

 

& as far as who was more responsible BB or Brady, I will say this.  BB is a great coach but every successful long tenured coach has something in common over the past 25-30 years.  They have had a true franchise QB to work with.  BB had the greatest QB to ever play the game.  That had a lot to do with his success.

[dollars 2 donuts]

1 hour ago, Nihilarian said:

ORCHARD PARK, N.Y. -- It rained here all morning, snowed as night fell, and in between, the Patriots' 2020 season turned to mud and slid into nearby Lake Erie.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/team/_/name/ne/new-england-patriots

 

 

 

Buffalo, Seahawks, @Cardinals, Chargers, @49ers, Steelers, @Broncos, @Patriots, Dolphins. Five teams with winning records. 6-2

 

Dolphins remaining games-Cardinals, Chargers, Broncos, NY Jets, Bengals, Chiefs, Patriots, Raiders, Bills.  Four teams with winning records. 4-3

 

Patriots remaining games at 2-5 - NY Jets, Ravens, Texans, Cardinals, Chargers, Rams, Dolphins, Bills, NY Jets. Six teams with winning records. 2-5

 

Gonna be interesting...for Buffalo and Miami.

 

 

 

 

Nihi, we absolutely must win at least 3 games before the finale...most likely (although not guaranteed) Broncos, Charges, and Pats again.  If anyone disagrees with me I just ask, do you see the Bills beating the Cardinals, Seahawks, Steelers or 49ers?  

 

Be at least 9-6 going into the finale and I believe it is still there for the Bills, with the hope that the Phins will also be no better than 9-6 (please Cincy Bengals keep playing the way you have and give the Dolphins a run for their money), with maybe Miami's only losses being the Cards, Chiefs and Raiders.  

 

...but we MUST win 3.

[PatsFanNH]

5 minutes ago, Success said:

 

Nah.  Celts aren't built well, and keep getting knocked out in the same round of the playoffs.  The benefits from that Brooklyn deal are over, and they've basically hit a ceiling, while 4-5 other teams in the East continue to get better.

 

And the Bruins are definitely done.  That team is in for a rebuild now just like the Pats.

 

We will disagree about the Celtics, they have 3 1st round picks in this draft to use to trade for a big man.  As for the same round? They lost in the eastern Finals, much better than the year before.. add in Brown and Tatum are just starting come into their own and well damn future looks good. 
 

as for the Bruins, our best player is 25? Our best D player is 26 I think.. (macavoy) the only rebuild needed here is replacing an old Chara on the Defense. We had the best goalie tandem in the league as well.. their issue is getting by TB!

 

pats rebuild isn’t that much, a QB, not elite just a capable QB to not make stupid mistakes cost games.

4 minutes ago, Gordio said:

 

 

Yeah Stidham sucked at Auburn and he sucks now, you don't want him as your QB.  The best thing for the Pats now is to try to ship Gilmore off, tank the season and zero in on a QB.  Not sure if the Pats could get Lawrence, but Fields would be a nice consolation prize.  

 

& as far as who was more responsible BB or Brady, I will say this.  BB is a great coach but every successful long tenured coach has something in common over the past 25-30 years.  They have had a true franchise QB to work with.  BB had the greatest QB to ever play the game.  That had a lot to do with his success.

Same can be said for great QBs almost all have had a great coach even Manning had Dungy. 

[chris heff]

43 minutes ago, TigerJ said:

If Belichick remains at New England, he will at some point be likely to mount a successful rebuild.  Beane needs to really work at solidifying the team and shoring up the weak spots this season has revealed if they hope to fend off Belichick's rebuild and hold on the the AFC East crown, and of course, move far into the playoffs and, hopefully, win a few Super Bowls.

I have a feeling Beiichick is going to retire, it is a gut feeling based on the thinnest of evidence. He has become a pitchman for Subway. As far as I am aware he has never done anything like that before. I think he is cashing in while he is still relevant. Like I said very thin.

[Shaw66]

3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Shaunnessy has ***** all over Buffalo for 20 years. Whether they had a good season or not, he threw dirt on them and the city. So this is just satisfying. If you told me a year ago we would be reading this on nov 1 2020, I wouldn’t have believed it. 

I have a friend who reads the Globe regularly and sends me Shaughnessy bits from time to time.   

 

I finally realized that if you put him in perspective, Shaughnessy is just a narrow-minded loud-mouthed fan just like fans we all know.  He's 100% homer.  If you're looking for a balanced, insightful look at your team, Shaughnessy isn't your guy.  If you want a cheerleader when your team is great, Shaughnessy is perfect.  

 

Bottom line for me is that he 100% deserves to be ignored. 

[papazoid]

the dynasty is over.....

 

NE should have kept brady for 2-3 more years.

 

having said that, i fully expect them to be back to competing for the division next year. plenty of cap space and covid opt outs will return.

[Seventeen]

2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

I don’t think they will lose enough games to get fields unless they trade up. I have a feeling fields ends up in Atlanta. I wouldn’t be surprised to see the pats trade for Matt Ryan. Belichick doesn’t seem like the type who really wants to “start over” at QB. Plus ryan went to BC, seems like a match made in heaven for him possibly. 

 

Fields could easily end up in Jax -  I'd bet Lawrence would love to go the Falcons given that he played HS ball in Cartersville and he could sit behind Ryan for a year.

[Success]

14 minutes ago, papazoid said:

the dynasty is over.....

 

NE should have kept brady for 2-3 more years.

 

having said that, i fully expect them to be back to competing for the division next year. plenty of cap space and covid opt outs will return.

 

It's kind of funny reading the Pats boards right now. They think a rebuild is a matter of "if you do X and then Y, you'll be back in contention by Z."  

 

They may be back competing, and they may not.  I remember when Shula was the feared coach - until the league caught up w/ him and he got older.  I'm not sure that I fear BB as much as I used to without Brady. I don't doubt his abilities as coach, but I don't think he's a great GM.  And it may take them as long to find a replacement for Brady as it has for us to replace Kelly.

 

[poblano]

2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

I think if you look at his good Tampa has been this year and how bad the pats have been, it tells a lot of that story. Brady has completely elevated that team to a SB contender. 

No, explain more the "masterful game manager" Brady is. Same (or almost same)Tampa  team with a careless Winston is a losing record team, the same NE team whit Brady, and his mistake free philosophy, clearly has a shoot to win yesterday

[formerlyofCtown]

4 hours ago, prissythecat said:

 

 

Even though the poster apparently has a high IQ?

Ignorant Qualities?

[Figster]

5 hours ago, Greg S said:

The only bad thing about the Pats losing is they might be in line to get Justin Fields. They won't get into the Lawrence sweepstakes but Fields is possible. Who do we want to win next weeks Pats-Jets game. On one hand NE winning gives them a 3rd win and maybe they miss out on one of the top QB's in the draft. But the Jets winning could hurt their chances to select Lawrence. The Jaguars are terrible and a serious threat to the Jets for the #1 pick if the Jets can win a game.

It puts B B in a weird position now where a couple losses to the Jets really does a number on them.

 

It will be interesting to see how B B approaches the situation going forward. 

 

To lose games you may have to bench Cam IMO. 

 

After all, its Belicheat we're talking about here, he knows how to cheat the system.

 

He's good that way...

Edited November 2, 2020 by Figster

[Nihilarian]

3 hours ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

 

 

Nihi, we absolutely must win at least 3 games before the finale...most likely (although not guaranteed) Broncos, Charges, and Pats again.  If anyone disagrees with me I just ask, do you see the Bills beating the Cardinals, Seahawks, Steelers or 49ers?  

 

Be at least 9-6 going into the finale and I believe it is still there for the Bills, with the hope that the Phins will also be no better than 9-6 (please Cincy Bengals keep playing the way you have and give the Dolphins a run for their money), with maybe Miami's only losses being the Cards, Chiefs and Raiders.  

 

...but we MUST win 3.

I agree, and hopefully more than 3. 

 

The Seahawks were beaten by the Cards, while the Cards were beaten by the Lions, Panthers. The 49ers were trounced by the Dolphins and then beat the Rams, Patriots.

 

The only undefeated team is the Steelers and they play the Cowboys, Bengals, Jags, Ravens, Washington and then the Bills. That Ravens game, if Lamar Jackson doesn't turn the ball over like he is flipping pancakes the Ravens win that game. Between the turnovers and penalties the Ravens beat themselves, just sayin on any given Sunday. 

 

Buffalo needs to fix their defense and find that passing game again. This past game they found their run game so the offense should be ok. 

 

On another note,

3 hours ago, Success said:

  I remember when Shula was the feared coach - until the league caught up w/ him and he got older.  I'm not sure that I fear BB as much as I used to without Brady. I don't doubt his abilities as coach, but I don't think he's a great GM.  And it may take them as long to find a replacement for Brady as it has for us to replace Kelly.

Funny thing about Don Shula. Once he got Dan Marino throwing so much he simply forgot what won him a championship. That was a great run game.

 

All those years with Marino at QB the Dolphins never had a RB even close to what Thurman Thomas could do.

[Yav]

7 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

I’m changing my screen name to, “Even higher football IQ”

what do you all think of that 😂

My opinion will reign supreme! 

Is this thing on, cause it’s gonna be, the war of screen name  escalation has begun 😁

nuthin but luv y’all 

 

Go Bills!!!

I'll just change mine to "The highest possible football IQ" how do you like dem apples?

[Don Otreply]

10 minutes ago, Yav said:

I'll just change mine to "The highest possible football IQ" how do you like dem apples?

Damn, there’s been a coup detat , 😁

[BuffaloBill]

7 hours ago, H2o said:

You have consider the ACTUAL IQ, versus the proclaimed IQ of the source. 

 

 

Well, when asked, more than half the people polled state they have above average intelligence.

[JMF2006]

6 hours ago, stevewin said:

"High Level Meeting Attender" would also be a good screen name

 

High Level IQ Meeting Attender would be even better 

 

Let the escalation......escalate

38 minutes ago, Yav said:

I'll just change mine to "The highest possible football IQ" how do you like dem apples?

 

One upped at..... Highest Football IQ Possible in the Universe

[PatsFanNH]

7 hours ago, Stank_Nasty said:

i mean.... we're talking about pats fans right? 

 

it'll try, but it'll never be what it was. Therefore it'll be plenty beatable.

 

With a competent QB you and I both know other coaches will do the stupidest things just because it’s the Patriots and BB.. now when BB is gone it will change completely

[Reks Ryan]

That article made me think of Jerry Sullivan.   I love it that NE fans have to deal with their season being over with 9 games to play, and get read depressing articles for the next 2 months. 

[boater]

Belichick was manipulated by Brady and Kraft into trading away Garropolo. I bet Belichick and Kraft really regret that trade.

 

The Pats would be totally different today if they had Garopollo.

[Success]

46 minutes ago, Reks Ryan said:

That article made me think of Jerry Sullivan.   I love it that NE fans have to deal with their season being over with 9 games to play, and get read depressing articles for the next 2 months. 

 

Their message boards are a pretty joyous experience.  All of the early November conversations we used to have - talking about the draft, who the good QB prospects are, etc.  Also the obligatory "if this had happened in that game, and that had happened in this game, we'd have a winning record...."

[Yav]

22 hours ago, JMF2006 said:

 

High Level IQ Meeting Attender would be even better 

 

Let the escalation......escalate

 

One upped at..... Highest Football IQ Possible in the Universe

Well played sir, well played.

[Comebackkid]

On 11/2/2020 at 8:17 AM, Gordio said:

 

 

Yeah Stidham sucked at Auburn and he sucks now, you don't want him as your QB.  The best thing for the Pats now is to try to ship Gilmore off, tank the season and zero in on a QB.  Not sure if the Pats could get Lawrence, but Fields would be a nice consolation prize.  

 

& as far as who was more responsible BB or Brady, I will say this.  BB is a great coach but every successful long tenured coach has something in common over the past 25-30 years.  They have had a true franchise QB to work with.  BB had the greatest QB to ever play the game.  That had a lot to do with his success.

Beyond that, they were always able to draft very well.   They were very good at recognizing Talent and smart 4 protecting their quarterback.  Beyond just having Brady they were a very complete Organization for a long time. I'm not sure how much longer Belichick is going to want to stick around and try to recreate that again.

[CA OC Bills Fan]

On 11/2/2020 at 7:56 PM, boater said:

Belichick was manipulated by Brady and Kraft into trading away Garropolo. I bet Belichick and Kraft really regret that trade.

 

The Pats would be totally different today if they had Garopollo.

While I agree they'd be a much better team with Garropolo, would he still be there? I thought NE never paid Brady top QB money. Jimmy G. was the highest paid QB at the time he signed his contract. Could you imagine them dumping Brady to pay so much more for Garrapolo? And, BB is saying that part of the problem is that they spent enough over the last several years so that now they don't have flexibility. At the time that they signed Newton, they had almost 0 cap space. Since then they freed up quite a bit. But, I don't think they could have afforded or been willing to pay Garrapolo's salary.