The McDermott Era...Will the first signature win(s) come the next 3 weeks?

[Rochesterfan]

1 minute ago, Gene1973 said:

Don't think so, a signature win is a win against a top team in a given season. NE is not a top team, they look like garbage right now. McClappity had two chances to beat a couple top teams, he turtled in both of them. As he will likely do against the SeaHawks and Steelers...

Aww so the Titans win on the road against the future AFC championship team does count, LA Rams don’t get to count.  
 

If you are not happy - go root for Seattle or Pittsburgh and get out of here, but no you need to troll - so have fun.  As I said even if we win those games you will find a way to belittle the victories- so it does not matter.  
 

Win games - make the playoffs and keep getting better.

[Rochesterfan]

1 minute ago, Gene1973 said:

Ah yes, the typical response of the overly emotional and dramatic Bills fan, lol.

Ahh the typical response of the boarish troll

Edited October 26, 2020 by Rochesterfan

[Dablitzkrieg]

I really am at a point where I don't care about the regular season wins.  Playoff wins is what I want

[Greg S]

I don't know if I would call beating NE a signature win this week. The dynasty is dead and this Pats team isn't very good. I think the Bills need to win the division and a playoff game to show progress. I don't see them going to or winning a Super Bowl this year as KC, Pitt, Ten, Bal are just better teams.

[Royale with Cheese]

11 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

Don't think so, a signature win is a win against a top team in a given season. NE is not a top team, they look like garbage right now. McClappity had two chances to beat a couple top teams, he turtled in both of them. As he will likely do against the SeaHawks and Steelers...

 

The Rams are about to be 5-2 in the toughest division in football.  I cannot believe you don't think they are a good team.

[Rochesterfan]

4 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

Aww, it's ok, have some warm milk.

I expect the Bills to play better vs. the worst team in football, nowhere near miserable lol. If one were miserable they would not engage at all. Seriously, some if you need to get off your high horse...

 

Aww - except Trolls engage - which is why you are here - if the Bills blew the Jets out - we would have a peaceful week without you trolling, but just another in a long line of wins means we get to enjoy your takes for another week.

1 minute ago, Gene1973 said:

They are, but is a signature win almost melting down? Maybe it is for some, not me... A win is not always just a win, it's how you win that can be projected towards greater success in the future. These last 3 weeks is proof of that!

 

See moving goalposts - now it is not a signature win, but one that satisfies a troll - nearly impossible, but have fun.

[Billsfan1972]

11 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

My God - you would think we are the Jets or something with all of the trolls on board.

 

Getting a “signature” win for this team is tough because trollish fans want to move the goalposts after each game.

 

Let’s see we went on the road in 2018 as huge underdogs to Minnesota (a team that was in the NFC championship game the year before) and dominated them as one of the biggest underdogs to outright win a game with several signature plays, but that gets pushed aside.

 

Last year we go on the road and beat Tennessee (a team that went to the AFC championship and should of beat KC) - a signature win - maybe for some fan bases, but not you.

 

Pittsburgh/Dallas in prime time - both games propel us to the playoffs, but our wins knocked them out - both wins on the road and both as slight dogs.  Going through your criteria the Bills have several wins that hit you definition- they have dominated games in all 3 phases, they have road wins against frequent playoff teams, gutty come from behind wins, putting first or critical losses on teams, but they do not seem to count for you.
 

The issue is after each of wins - trolling fans find reasons to lessen the Bills wins and the same thing will happen with the next 3 games.  If they beat the Pats does it mean anything?  That would move them to 2-5 and therefore mean nothing once done.  Seattle is no longer unbeaten and could be on a 2 game losing streak when we play.  The Cardinals are so up and down that if we win by the end of the year it might be meaningless.

 

Just relax and enjoy another playoff year and see where it goes.

That Tennessee game was a result of 4 missed FG's.  Yes it was a nice win, the Defense played well but was game 5 vs. a team at the time that was 2-2.  They made the playoffs @ 9-7.  If you want to call that a signature win, boy the bar is low.

 

They beat Duck Hodges, who was just terrible.  Dallas is a dumpster fire & yes it was Thanksgiving, but again the Bills went into the game with the better record (Dallas was 6-5).

 

Winning a signature game is against an elite team when they are up and ready to play you.

 

Conversely the Bills haven't had too many of those games. 

[Dablitzkrieg]

13 minutes ago, Jaraxxus said:

 

Is this not an improvement over your previous couple decades as a Bills fan?

 

Sure is for me.

 

I never said it wasn't an improvement

[Rochesterfan]

2 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

That Tennessee game was a result of 4 missed FG's.  Yes it was a nice win, the Defense played well but was game 5 vs. a team at the time that was 2-2.  They made the playoffs @ 9-7.  If you want to call that a signature win, boy the bar is low.

 

They beat Duck Hodges, who was just terrible.  Dallas is a dumpster fire & yes it was Thanksgiving, but again the Bills went into the game with the better record (Dallas was 6-5).

 

Winning a signature game is against an elite team when they are up and ready to play you.

 

Conversely the Bills haven't had too many of those games. 

 

They won the games right.  
 

So now the game has to be later in the season to be signature, but can’t come on the road against a perennial playoff team that rarely loses at home because they are playing a back-up QB that was starting most of the season and the team was favored and which ever team wins goes to the playoffs.  
 

The game also can’t come as the premier Thanksgiving game on the road against a team that historically plays well in that spot and was shooting for another playoff spot until we beat them to help keep them from making the playoffs.
 

The rules for a signature win are tough - do we get an automatic bye?  Does it somehow make us winning the division easier? 
 

Win games, make the playoffs, get better and find ways to improve.

[Mr. K]

6 hours ago, Freddie's Dead said:

 

I meant that McD needs to start by beating the McCheats, as opposed to worrying about the next 3 weeks.

I hoping the Bills stomp a McHole in Belicheats backside

[Billsfan1972]

1 minute ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

They won the games right.  
 

So now the game has to be later in the season to be signature, but can’t come on the road against a perennial playoff team that rarely loses at home because they are playing a back-up QB that was starting most of the season and the team was favored and which ever team wins goes to the playoffs.  
 

The game also can’t come as the premier Thanksgiving game on the road against a team that historically plays well in that spot and was shooting for another playoff spot until we beat them to help keep them from making the playoffs.
 

The rules for a signature win are tough - do we get an automatic bye?  Does it somehow make us winning the division easier? 
 

Win games, make the playoffs, get better and find ways to improve.

Duck Hodges was in because Kyle Rudolph was injured if I remember.  Tennessee was not a good team when they played them early in the season and ended the season 9-7.....  Wow also anothe rvictory over an 8-8 team (Dallas) is considered a big one.

 

Miami beating NE last year knocking them from a bye in NE is a signature win.  

 

Minnesotta was 8-7-1 the year the Bills beat them.....  Sure Atl was 3-0 in 2017......  Let's call that the signature win.....

 

[Royale with Cheese]

29 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

They are, but is a signature win almost melting down? Maybe it is for some, not me... A win is not always just a win, it's how you win that can be projected towards greater success in the future. These last 3 weeks is proof of that!

Its a signature win for me because it showed we can finally win shoot outs.  Something we haven’t seen since a half a year with Bledsoe.

 

We aren’t the only ones who are blowing leads.  It happens every year.  It wasn’t a fluke win, we outgunned a Sean McVay offense.

[Billsfan1972]

1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Its a signature win for me because it showed we can finally win shoot outs.  Something we haven’t seen since a half a year with Bledsoe.

 

We aren’t the only ones who are blowing leads.  It happens every year.  It wasn’t a fluke win, we outgunned a Sean McVay offense.

Sure, let's call it the closest thing to a signature win.....  This year the Bills have games vs. Seattle (atrocious defense), Pitt & let's say 49ers & Arizona....

 

Want to see at worst 2-2.

[Royale with Cheese]

2 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Sure, let's call it the closest thing to a signature win.....  This year the Bills have games vs. Seattle (atrocious defense), Pitt & let's say 49ers & Arizona....

 

Want to see at worst 2-2.

You just had to throw in “atrocious defense” just in case we win....then you can use that against McDermott.  They are still 5-1 lol.

[teef]

9 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

You just had to throw in “atrocious defense” just in case we win....then you can use that against McDermott.  They are still 5-1 lol.

he's doing everything he can already.

 

if the bills win on sunday, go 6-2, with a lead in the east, i'll be happy.  some won't be, but it would be a great season so far.

 

 

[Billsfan1972]

8 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

You just had to throw in “atrocious defense” just in case we win....then you can use that against McDermott.  They are still 5-1 lol.

And every win has been a shootout....  Allowing 28.67 points/game.....  Best win vs. 3-3 Dolphins...

 

Other wins vs. NE, Atl, Minn & Dallas.....  I guess their best win is vs. NE?😜  

2 minutes ago, teef said:

he's doing everything he can already.

 

if the bills win on sunday, go 6-2, with a lead in the east, i'll be happy.  some won't be, but it would be a great season so far.

 

 

I will too, but the thread is about something else & to include NE is a joke at this point in the season.

[teef]

Just now, Billsfan1972 said:

And every win has been a shootout....  Allowing 28.67 points/game.....  Best win vs. 3-3 Dolphins...

 

Other wins vs. NE, Atl, Minn & Dallas.....  I guess their best win is vs. NE?😜  

we get it.  you're never happy.  unless the bills are blowing people out madden style, you're not entertained.  right now i don't care who the bills beat...they just need to win the east.

[teef]

1 minute ago, Billsfan1972 said:

 

I will too, but the thread is about something else & to include NE is a joke at this point in the season.

i don't think you will be.  at all.  you'll be the first  in here complaining how things didn't go quite as you thought they should. 

[Billsfan1972]

6 minutes ago, teef said:

we get it.  you're never happy.  unless the bills are blowing people out madden style, you're not entertained.  right now i don't care who the bills beat...they just need to win the east.

After year's of grinding it out, don't trust the offense, don't make mistakes......  Yep I'd like to see the Bills blow out teams, put up 30+/game.....

 

I'd call that a refreshing change.....😜 

[teef]

Just now, Billsfan1972 said:

After year's of grinding it out, don't trust the offense, don't make mistakes......  Yep I'd like to see the Bills blow out teams, put up 30+/game.....

 

I'd call that a refreshing change.....😜 

it's nice, but most don't need that to find a win satisfying.  bills just need to win on sunday and move on from there.

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

I don’t know what a signature win is, but I know it’s not beating Mariotta or Duck. I think it’s like pornography, you know it when you see it. Maybe Thanksgiving Day game. 
 

why are so many of you so defensive of this regime’s strength of victory?

[BillsFan130]

This game will say a lot about MCD as a coach IMO.

 

Bills have the better team, and the far better QB.

 

He is 0-6 against BB in his career.
 

But this time around, there’s no excuse to lose to the patriots.

[Billsfan1972]

Just now, teef said:

it's nice, but most don't need that to find a win satisfying.  bills just need to win on sunday and move on from there.

I like to be entertained too....  I've stated it before, the Bills are my steam since 1972....  Watching them the last three years (2017-19) they have not been a fun team to watch (particularly on Offense).

 

How people continually defend the 30th, 29th & 24th ranked NFL Offense, just amazes me.

 

Add to that one of the easiest 2019 schedules too.

[Buffalo03]

8 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Last year's Cowboys win wasn't really a signature win although it did give us some national exposure. Beat NE twice and either Seattle or Arizona and that would be a signature sequence. 

That Seattle game actually scares the hell out of me. I feel like that's gonna be reminiscent of that Bears game in 2018 that Peterman started where we got manhandled 

[teef]

1 minute ago, Billsfan1972 said:

I like to be entertained too....  I've stated it before, the Bills are my steam since 1972....  Watching them the last three years (2017-19) they have not been a fun team to watch (particularly on Offense).

 

How people continually defend the 30th, 29th & 24th ranked NFL Offense, just amazes me.

 

Add to that one of the easiest 2019 schedules too.

no one is defending anything.  again, most people here are entertained by wins, and not how they come about. if you want to quantify wins, go ahead.  most don't need to.

1 minute ago, Gene1973 said:

For some people it's simply, ...because, Bills.

or there's no reason to micro analyze every win to make is seem less than.  a win is a win.  if the bills win the east and go back to the playoffs, that will be successful.  the playoffs then are an entirely new season.

[BarleyNY]

8 hours ago, Billsatlastin2018 said:

“A road victory against a frequent playoff team”

That. But, I would settle for a Home W, as well. 
 

McClapper’s record against Playoff Teams of the same year is actually WORSE than all the clueless stumblebums, we have witnessed as so called HCs this Millenium.

Pre McD? 19-78 (24%)

 

The Clapper

2017 = 2-4

2018 = 0-7

2019 = 1- 4

2020 =  0-2 ?

 

TOTAL = 3 - 17 20%

He really hasn’t had a “signature win.”

3-17 is 15%. (3/20)

For me it needs to be beating a true playoff caliber team in reasonable health.  For example beating KC without Mahomes wouldn’t count.  Then we need to win a playoff game.  That’s truly turning the corner IMO. 

[Royale with Cheese]

37 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

And every win has been a shootout....  Allowing 28.67 points/game.....  Best win vs. 3-3 Dolphins...

 

Other wins vs. NE, Atl, Minn & Dallas.....  I guess their best win is vs. NE?😜  

 

Hmmmm...the Titans have beaten Jax, Minn, Denver, Houston and the Bills.  They haven't played anyone either....I guess they're not good?

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

If Pittsburgh wins that game - even with Duck Hodges - do they go to the playoffs?  Yes that win was against a non-playoff team because we won it.  
 

It is not like the Bills were 20 point favorites - they were slight dogs on the road for a playoff birth.

The Steelers weren’t “knocked out of the playoffs with that loss”.  That win was a was against a non playoff team because the Steelers would go on to lose the next two games with their playoff hopes alive, to Adam Gase’s Jets and Ravens. The Bills game didn’t make them a non playoff team.  
 

I love McDermott, but he still lacks a defining win imo.  Beating a middling team with a terrible QB isn’t that great of an accomplishment, but see it as you like.  
 

1 hour ago, Rochesterfan said:

Aww so the Titans win on the road against the future AFC championship team does count, LA Rams don’t get to count.  
 

If you are not happy - go root for Seattle or Pittsburgh and get out of here, but no you need to troll - so have fun.  As I said even if we win those games you will find a way to belittle the victories- so it does not matter.  
 

Win games - make the playoffs and keep getting better.

So it’s not only the Steelers game?  The titans and the rams too?  3 defining wins.  
 

the titans we beat wasn’t the same team.  Tannehill changed the team dramatically.  Mariota would not have led that team to the Afccg.  Hence, it’s NOT the same team.  Think w/e you like.

I think the Rams win was the best team that we’ve beaten. 

 

Edited October 26, 2020 by NewEra

[Greg S]

2 minutes ago, NewEra said:

The Steelers weren’t “knocked out of the playoffs with that loss”.  That win was a was against a non playoff team because the Steelers would go on to lose the next two games with their playoff hopes alive, to Adam Gase’s Jets and Ravens. The Bills game didn’t make them a non playoff team.  
 

I love McDermott, but he still lacks a defining win imo.  Beating a middling team with a terrible QB isn’t that great of an accomplishment, but see it as you like.  
 

So it’s not only the Steelers game?  The titans and the rams too?  3 defining wins.  
 

the titans we beat wasn’t the same team.  Tannehill changed the team dramatically.  Mariota would not have led that team to the Afccg.  Hence, it’s NOT the same team.  Think w/e you like.

I think the Rams win was the best team that we’ve beaten. 

 

 

In McDermott's first year didn't the Bills have a win at KC which was needed to get a playoff spot. We did need a Dalton to Boyd miracle at Baltimore to get in but winning at Arrowhead is definitely a signature win.

[NewEra]

2 minutes ago, Greg S said:

 

In McDermott's first year didn't the Bills have a win at KC which was needed to get a playoff spot. We did need a Dalton to Boyd miracle at Baltimore to get in but winning at Arrowhead is definitely a signature win.

If you say so.  I don’t even remember the win tbh. 

[Greg S]

3 minutes ago, NewEra said:

If you say so.  I don’t even remember the win tbh. 

 

I just looked it up. The Bills did win at KC that year 16-10.

[NewEra]

1 minute ago, Greg S said:

 

I just looked it up. The Bills did win at KC that year 16-10.

Cool. You had to look it up.  Great defining win.  
 

I remember the game because Zay Jones beat Marcus Peters for our only TD.  

 

 

 

[Ramza86]

I never had the bills as contenders. I had them as a competitive playoff team.

 

So I think they are still on track with that. 

 

Until we get more upgrades on the offensive line we wont contend with the Titans/Steelers/Chiefs/Ravens.

 

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

This upcoming game is the referendum on Sean McDermott. If he doesn't deliver a win for the Bills here, he needs to go.

[ytownblofan]

A win is a win, "signature" or not. I'll happily take a 10-6 year and a chance in the playoffs over a 8-8 year with "signature" wins. 

 

That being said, for arguments sake, I would say Pittsburgh on SNF last year constitutes a signature win. Pitt was fighting for a playoff spot and had a top defense. We also went to their field, a notoriously tough place to play, won and clinched a playoff berth. 

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

2 minutes ago, Ramza86 said:

I never had the bills as contenders. I had them as a competitive playoff team.

 

So I think they are still on track with that. 

 

Until we get more upgrades on the offensive line we wont contend with the Titans/Steelers/Chiefs/Ravens.

 

So what exactly are we talking about, just a guard? Dawkins and Morse are on long-term deals, Williams is ostensibly playing at an All-Pro level, and everyone seems to think Feliciano is a stud for some reason.

[Ramza86]

Just now, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

So what exactly are we talking about, just a guard? Dawkins and Morse are on long-term deals, Williams is ostensibly playing at an All-Pro level, and everyone seems to think Feliciano is a stud for some reason.

 

That aint what im seeing when I compare our offensive line to the likes of the contenders in the AFC.

[Big Turk]

Who cares? Make the playoffs, win the division and anything can happen. It is all about peaking at the right time not signature wins in October or November.  Nobody cares about those in January.

Edited October 26, 2020 by matter2003

[billsherd]

Rams win this year isn't signature enough win?

[teef]

15 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

Who cares? Make the playoffs, win the division and anything can happen. It is all about peaking at the right time not signature wins in October or November.  Nobody cares about those in January.

this is really it.  the playoffs are a new season.  just position yourself the best you can going into the post season, and then worry about the next wins.