JJ Watt Trade Block?

[Rico]

Don’t want any major roidheads.

[RyanC883]

2 hours ago, Hebert19 said:

5th

thanks.  I’d be good with a 5th for Rankins

[Fan in Chicago]

2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

The man has a 2020 cap hit of $15.5M salary.  We have $4.8M of free cap. 

Hard to see a match there.

Thanks for kicking me in the shins to interrupt my dreaming

[JerseyBills]

I'd take Watt in a 2nd for a 2nd (rd draft pick)

For his off the field impact as well 

 

[billsbackto81]

3 hours ago, Billl said:

Dude is washed.  He’s not worth the salary let alone giving up picks for the opportunity to overpay him.

Perhaps, but he would instantly become the teams best pass rusher by a country mile. Plus I think most have already given up on resigning an often injured Matt Milano and an often lost Tremaine Edmunds. So they can save money there I guess.

[colin]

if we had traded for watt 3 years ago at the same price, it would have been considered a steal by the bills but in fact would have been a bad trade because he has been hurt just about all the time.  trading for him would be a huge almost desperation move.  basically throwing in the towel on all of our DL signings, and ensuring murph and houghs are gonezo next season.  It could work, but it's crazy risky and i don't think the bills would make that move.

 

would be exciting at least!

 

im pretty sad the FO let shak and phillips walk and just used that money, and more, to sign downgrades.  they may only be downgrades because they don't know the scheme, or perhaps our smaller always fresh rotation doesn't work when refs don't call holding on pass rushers anymore, but its pretty clear clown or dude now in minni would have improved our D, even if we had to cut murhpy or whoever.  i think we might have won vs kc if our pass rush came on on 3rd down, and our run d made a couple of stops (literally, like 2 or 3 more stops on first or second down runs and we get the ball and cut a score from KC).  absolutely disgusting!

[Penfield45]

14 hours ago, ILBillsfan said:

would kill the Bills salary cap to try to bring in Watt as you mention in your post.

 

 

 

we don't have enough money because we made all star Trent Murphy one of the highest paid players on the whole team

[Sherlock Holmes]

13 hours ago, Rico said:

Don’t want any major roidheads.

Good that means you would love the Watts

[dougstevegadesi]

How bout Linval Joseph? He would cost a lot less in trade value and cap money thus making it more realistic for the Bills to do this type of trade. He’s a stout DT that is a 1 technique and would essentially fill the hole left by Loutoulelei. He is very good against the run and is good at tying up offensive lineman thus giving our other defensive lineman more opportunities to make plays. What do you guys think of that? Obviously the Chargers would have to be willing to move him. I know he signed a two year 17 million dollar contract with the chargers in the off-season and prolly thinking for a guy making 8.5 million what sense would that make if they didn’t pay Jordan 10 million a year but I wonder now if the Bills FO had known Star was gonna opt out would they maybe have gone ahead and resigned Jordan Phillips though not sure Phillips is worth 10 million. In all honesty if we could trade for Joseph it may actually be an upgrade from what we had in Phillips last season in my opinion. Thoughts?

[Rc2catch]

16 hours ago, billsfan89 said:

If the Bills are making a big splash I would target Yannick from Minny. JJ Watt is toast, the Bills need younger or prime talent not an overpaid once great player. Give up a 2nd rounder and a 6th rounder and Murphy (as salary filler) and see if Minny bites. Yannick would greatly impact the pass rush and set the edge. Another name to keep an eye on for a more modest trade would be Dalvin Tomlinson. He is a DT from the Giants who is on the last year of his rookie deal. He is a big run stuffer (6 foot 3 320 pounds) very effective but the Giants might not have him in their long term plans with Leonard Williams and Dexter Lawrence being heavy investments at the position. 

 

I would float a 4th round pick for Tomlinson, he shouldn't impact the cap much and could be just what the middle of the defense needs at the right price both in terms of the cap and in terms of the draft capital needed to acquire him. 

Let me apologize for saying crazy talk. 
I never would of imagined Minnesota would let Yannick out the door, and that cheap either. I shall eat my crow in silence now. 

[Nextmanup]

No DL anywhere is going to bring a championship to any team.

 

Eventually these guys will catch onto that.

 

Too far removed from the parts that matter.

 

Want to bring a championship to your town?  Get a high powered offense with a stud QB and skilled WRs.

The rest is interchangeable parts.

 

 

[thenorthremembers]

A couple things on this.  A) Watt is not washed up.   He is older yes, but he is still a good player who can get you more in the way of pass rush and run stopping than anyone else we have on the dline.   He can also kick inside and probably also be the best defensive tackle option we have right now as well.

 

B).  The Bills dont currently have the cap to sign Watt, but if you send Jerry Hughes and a 2nd to the Texans you may be able to get under the cap.

 

Bottom line on this is how much the Bills expect to be in the AFC Title hunt at the end of the year.  If they are serious about it they will try something like this.  If not, then they probably get one home game and either lose in the wild card or second round.

Just now, Nextmanup said:

No DL anywhere is going to bring a championship to any team.

 

Eventually these guys will catch onto that.

 

Too far removed from the parts that matter.

 

Want to bring a championship to your town?  Get a high powered offense with a stud QB and skilled WRs.

The rest is interchangeable parts.

 

 

So we should already be in the mix.  Because Josh is a top ten QB in the league, and the wideouts are excellent.

[Sherlock Holmes]

8 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:

Let me apologize for saying crazy talk. 
I never would of imagined Minnesota would let Yannick out the door, and that cheap either. I shall eat my crow in silence now. 

I shall play you a fine tune while you feast...do you prefer Mariachi or Classical?🤡

Give me JJ for a 3rd and Kerrigan for a 5th

[Nick the Greek]

The guys best years are behind him, but I’ve heard of him.

 

Git er done Beane. 

[MAJBobby]

Cant fit him in the Cap.  Like I said in the Yannick Thread, I think the money and cap is going to tie us to this defense this year, we will live or die with this current defense. 

 

The dramatic changes come in the offseason.

[billsfan89]

45 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:

Let me apologize for saying crazy talk. 
I never would of imagined Minnesota would let Yannick out the door, and that cheap either. I shall eat my crow in silence now. 

 

For a second I was hoping the Bills traded for him haha. The Ravens get richer at a reasonable price esp for a rental. Overall I think that the Bills need to make a move. Tomlinson from the Giants would be a great addition, maybe Irving off the street at DE too?

27 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Cant fit him in the Cap.  Like I said in the Yannick Thread, I think the money and cap is going to tie us to this defense this year, we will live or die with this current defense. 

 

The dramatic changes come in the offseason.

 

Tomlinson from the Giants is on a nothing cap hit and would fill the need of a quality big body. I think that's the type of move that can be made.

[MAJBobby]

1 minute ago, billsfan89 said:

 

For a second I was hoping the Bills traded for him haha. The Ravens get richer at a reasonable price esp for a rental. Overall I think that the Bills need to make a move. Tomlinson from the Giants would be a great addition, maybe Irving off the street at DE too?

 

Tomlinson from the Giants is on a nothing cap hit and would fill the need of a quality big body. I think that's the type of move that can be made.

Yeah if he is made available. Not sure I have seen he is.

[billsfan89]

18 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Yeah if he is made available. Not sure I have seen he is.

 

The Giants likely won't be resigning him. They have Leonard Williams playing well (whom they invested a 3rd and 5th round pick in) and Simmons a 1st round pick from 2019 finding his footing. I doubt they are going to want to pay big money in free agency to retain him when they have so many needs elsewhere on the roster. It would make sense for the Giants to get value for a good but not that high in demand player (he isn't much of a pass rusher.) Overall tossing a 4th for him would greatly help the needs of the team and he is possibly a player the team can resign. It would be great if under the right type of deal to see Star and Tomlinson on the same D-line rotating in that "grinder" position. While you have Jefferson, Oliver and possibly Henry (if he looks fully recovered) as the penetrating DT's. That rotation would be balanced greatly. 

[MJS]

So is he on the trade block or not? I don't get it 

[ColoradoBills]

4 minutes ago, MJS said:

So is he on the trade block or not? I don't get it 

 

All speculation.

[MJS]

Just now, ColoradoBills said:

 

All speculation.

So it's just a misleading title. Just a "trade for one of the best d linemen in the league, Beane!" posts.

[RoyBatty is alive]

10 minutes ago, MJS said:

So it's just a misleading title. Just a "trade for one of the best d linemen in the league, Beane!" posts.

 

Maybe you should read the title again.  "JJ Watt Trade Block?"

 

Do you realize there is a question mark there, do you know what that signifies?

[MJS]

37 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

 

Maybe you should read the title again.  "JJ Watt Trade Block?"

 

Do you realize there is a question mark there, do you know what that signifies?

Based on nothing but speculation. Try adding that.

[RoyBatty is alive]

11 minutes ago, MJS said:

Based on nothing but speculation. Try adding that.

 

LOL. ok, I guess we need to add that to about half the titles of threads because after all there is no speculation here.  Again the question mark is there for a reason, some comprehend it, others apparently don't..

[MJS]

6 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

LOL. ok, I guess we need to add that to about half the titles of threads because after all there is no speculation here.  Again the question mark is there for a reason, some comprehend it, others apparently don't..

The question mark can be interpreted many ways, such as "JJ Watt has been added to the trade block? Wow, that's crazy because he is a household name."

 

This is just another dumb "trade for this guy because I want him" thread. JJ Watt isn't available and likely never will be.

[appoo]

Don't think this is possible thanks to Trent Murhpy's deadcap number of 8.7M. Even if you cut/trade him you only save 1M off the cap, leaving the Bills with just 5M in space, leaving 10M the Bills would need to find. Now Texans only have 7M in space, so even if you could convince them to convert 7M of Watt's salary into a signing bonus by tossing extra picks their way, that still leaves 3M that Bills would need to clear. You would have to cut 3-4 players off the back end of the 53 man roster, and replace them with practice squad players. 

 

With that said, Watt's contract is team friendly. He carries no dead cap penalty, so if the Bills traded for him, they could either extend him or cut him with no penalty in the off season. 

2 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

Cant fit him in the Cap.  Like I said in the Yannick Thread, I think the money and cap is going to tie us to this defense this year, we will live or die with this current defense. 

 

The dramatic changes come in the offseason.

 

Hughes (7M savings)

Addison (6M Savings)

Vernon Butler (7M Savings)

 

Are guys who I think are definitely gone. You could also see them move on from both Poyer and Hyde. 

 

[MAJBobby]

7 minutes ago, appoo said:

Don't think this is possible thanks to Trent Murhpy's deadcap number of 8.7M. Even if you cut/trade him you only save 1M off the cap, leaving the Bills with just 5M in space, leaving 10M the Bills would need to find. Now Texans only have 7M in space, so even if you could convince them to convert 7M of Watt's salary into a signing bonus by tossing extra picks their way, that still leaves 3M that Bills would need to clear. You would have to cut 3-4 players off the back end of the 53 man roster, and replace them with practice squad players. 

 

With that said, Watt's contract is team friendly. He carries no dead cap penalty, so if the Bills traded for him, they could either extend him or cut him with no penalty in the off season. 

 

Hughes (7M savings)

Addison (6M Savings)

Vernon Butler (7M Savings)

 

Are guys who I think are definitely gone. You could also see them move on from both Poyer and Hyde. 

 

Yeah can fit him in the cap NEXT year.  Cannot fit him in the cap this year, unless you are cutting multiple players.  And next year would we want an Aging JJ Watt who hasent looked himself in awhile......  Or would you like that space on a Judon or a younger UFA that is going to hit the market.  Baltimore has a decision to make with Judon and Yannick (only going to keep one IMO).  Or Even a Hunter (likely will be out of Minny as well next year).

 

 

Edited October 22, 2020 by MAJBobby

[RoyBatty is alive]

 

Wrong.

 

Actually try reading my post before you spout off.  "  I dont want him for what it would cost us."  

Edited October 22, 2020 by RoyBatty is alive

[purple haze]

22 hours ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

Ah yes.  To the man that can always find a camera, JJ Watt says he want to bring a championship to Houston and that remains his goal.

 

His comments are going to start phones ringing off the hook on Kirby Drive.  JJ Watt is 31 years old and the prospects of the Texans winning a championship[ this year are unbelievably low with a 1-5 record.  The Texans future has largely been demolished with three potential superstars careers being wasted to date, De Andre Hopkins, Deshaun Watson and Watt. Only Hopkins has gotten away with one of the most epically bad trades in NFL history.  The future for the Texans is not bright at all, the football "guru" Bill O 'Brien traded away both first two picks in 2021 so the Texans 2020 demise accrues to the Dolphins.  And I also believe the Mcnair ownership legacy has been a failure.  The odds of the Texans puilling out of their tail spin are likely far beyond the playing horizon of Watt. 

 

The desperate need for quality D Line play in Buffalo is obvious and Watt might be convinced with him, his leadership and his ego, the Bills could go deep in the playoffs.  I dont disagree but I also dont want JJ here for what it would cost.

 

Watt is in a demi-God status in Houston.  The Houston fan base remains enraged over the Hopkins trade and trading away the face of the franchise will be very costly, must likely to a team like the Bills, the Texans would demand a #1 at least.  To me that is too high for his remaining productivity and his recent injury history.  Would it be worth if it it got us to the Super Bowl, much less win one, I would say absolutely but I dont like the risk/reward.

 

 

I don’t think he gets the Texans a 1st rounder.  Big salary with too many injuries.   

[thenorthremembers]

3 hours ago, appoo said:

Don't think this is possible thanks to Trent Murhpy's deadcap number of 8.7M. Even if you cut/trade him you only save 1M off the cap, leaving the Bills with just 5M in space, leaving 10M the Bills would need to find. Now Texans only have 7M in space, so even if you could convince them to convert 7M of Watt's salary into a signing bonus by tossing extra picks their way, that still leaves 3M that Bills would need to clear. You would have to cut 3-4 players off the back end of the 53 man roster, and replace them with practice squad players. 

 

With that said, Watt's contract is team friendly. He carries no dead cap penalty, so if the Bills traded for him, they could either extend him or cut him with no penalty in the off season. 

 

Hughes (7M savings)

Addison (6M Savings)

Vernon Butler (7M Savings)

 

Are guys who I think are definitely gone. You could also see them move on from both Poyer and Hyde. 

 

Agree.  They need almost a complete reset on defense.  They are old, and need to inject some life back into the unit.

 

Poyer is still a very good in the box safety, so he may survive, but both he and Hyde are struggling in coverage.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

On 10/21/2020 at 5:52 PM, RoyBatty is alive said:

Ah yes.  To the man that can always find a camera, JJ Watt says he want to bring a championship to Houston and that remains his goal.

 

His comments are going to start phones ringing off the hook on Kirby Drive.  JJ Watt is 31 years old and the prospects of the Texans winning a championship[ this year are unbelievably low with a 1-5 record.  The Texans future has largely been demolished with three potential superstars careers being wasted to date, De Andre Hopkins, Deshaun Watson and Watt. Only Hopkins has gotten away with one of the most epically bad trades in NFL history.  The future for the Texans is not bright at all, the football "guru" Bill O 'Brien traded away both first two picks in 2021 so the Texans 2020 demise accrues to the Dolphins.  And I also believe the Mcnair ownership legacy has been a failure.  The odds of the Texans puilling out of their tail spin are likely far beyond the playing horizon of Watt. 

 

The desperate need for quality D Line play in Buffalo is obvious and Watt might be convinced with him, his leadership and his ego, the Bills could go deep in the playoffs.  I dont disagree but I also dont want JJ here for what it would cost.

 

Watt is in a demi-God status in Houston.  The Houston fan base remains enraged over the Hopkins trade and trading away the face of the franchise will be very costly, must likely to a team like the Bills, the Texans would demand a #1 at least.  To me that is too high for his remaining productivity and his recent injury history.  Would it be worth if it it got us to the Super Bowl, much less win one, I would say absolutely but I dont like the risk/reward.

 

 

 

I would be all over this , with his injuries and their crap record he could be had for a decent price.

 

 

On 10/21/2020 at 5:54 PM, ILBillsfan said:

would kill the Bills salary cap to try to bring in Watt as you mention in your post.

 

 

 

Cap shmap , we need to win now.