Just Joshin' Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Most players don't have the leverage or are not prepared to use their leverage. If Lawrence feels he can get into a better situation, then he should do so. If the OP would not do the same they are being dishonest. I am sure the OP is not working in their first job. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddick Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Has anyone seen the Elway to Marino documentary? Really fantastic and a lot of interesting stuff in there about the war that went on between the Elways and Colts. Also a whole bunch of fascinating what-ifs (Marino to the Steelers? Just imagine!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 I have no problem with a young man saying, "Hey, I don't want to play for that organization (you fill in the blank)." And if they can maneuver themselves to get a better job elsewhere, in a better situation and opportunity, then why not? Everyone of us has the right to leave our current employer and go somewhere else if we think it will improve us or our family. Why should they not be given some room within the NFL draft system to do that? I would never begrudge them for that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 8 hours ago, smuvtalker said: Count me in the minority here, but I have a problem with these kids coming out of college and dictating where they will or won't go. It really rubs me the wrong way. I remember when Eli came out, and basically said he refused to go to the Chargers. They ended up swinging a trade with the Giants and got an extra 1st rounder, or two? I can't remember. But even back then, I thought to myself, "what a primadonna". And I don't have anything against Eli, but I'm old school. I'm of the belief that playing in the National Football League is a privilege that less than 1% of the population ever gets bestowed upon them, and to be selected in the NFL draft is an honor of the highest level. The NFL draft is a tradition that has gone on for as long as it has without a hitch, and was designed to promote competitiveness amongst teams. Now you got these kids coming out of college, with everyone in their ear, telling them how great they are, how their crap doesn't stink, and they can tell the NFL where THEY want to go....really? I'm sorry, I just don't think it should be that way. IMO, you go where you're drafted. If you have a problem with that, there's always the CFL, Arena football, the XFL, whatever. But no NFL for you. You had the chance, and you chose to make a statement "I'm bigger than the NFL." So godspeed young man. I know I may be alone in my thinking, but I feel like if we start (or continue) letting these kids dictate where they go when they're drafted, or say where they won't go, we're setting ourselves up for further chaos and audacious actions down the road. Furthermore, we're jeopardizing a tradition that has been a part of the league for damn near ever, and messing with the competitive spirit the game revolves around. Just my two cents.. You're not alone in your thinking and this was brought up last year when there were rumors that Burrow might not want to play in Cincinnati with Mike Brown as an owner. He may regret it but the Bengals were able to sell him into accepting being drafted there. It's incredibly rare to actually have leverage going into an NFL draft so I have no problem with players like John Elway or Eli Manning use it. They both won multiple Super Bowls and made lots of money. I'd be more concerned if there was a competitive league salary wise like there was with the USFL in the 80's. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 9 hours ago, Freddie's Dead said: FTFY. Good fact check. I don’t know, when Gase is gone, Douglas might find a good coach. If I were Douglas, I’d go after Bieniemy in KC. He’s solid and been taught by Reid. I’m not sure why someone said Cincy. They have Burrow and he is sharp, just plays on a bad team. White is a blowhard. His opinion means nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 I told you those new uniforms were bad 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 9 hours ago, Motor26 said: I read an article last week saying the Jets will be lucky to get a 2nd for Darnold. I know he has very little help from his teammates but I mean he just looks completely lost out there and his confidence broken. He sees dead people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 (edited) 9 hours ago, smuvtalker said: Count me in the minority here, but I have a problem with these kids coming out of college and dictating where they will or won't go. It really rubs me the wrong way. I remember when Eli came out, and basically said he refused to go to the Chargers. They ended up swinging a trade with the Giants and got an extra 1st rounder, or two? I can't remember. But even back then, I thought to myself, "what a primadonna". And I don't have anything against Eli, but I'm old school. I'm of the belief that playing in the National Football League is a privilege that less than 1% of the population ever gets bestowed upon them, and to be selected in the NFL draft is an honor of the highest level. The NFL draft is a tradition that has gone on for as long as it has without a hitch, and was designed to promote competitiveness amongst teams. Now you got these kids coming out of college, with everyone in their ear, telling them how great they are, how their crap doesn't stink, and they can tell the NFL where THEY want to go....really? I'm sorry, I just don't think it should be that way. IMO, you go where you're drafted. If you have a problem with that, there's always the CFL, Arena football, the XFL, whatever. But no NFL for you. You had the chance, and you chose to make a statement "I'm bigger than the NFL." So godspeed young man. I know I may be alone in my thinking, but I feel like if we start (or continue) letting these kids dictate where they go when they're drafted, or say where they won't go, we're setting ourselves up for further chaos and audacious actions down the road. Furthermore, we're jeopardizing a tradition that has been a part of the league for damn near ever, and messing with the competitive spirit the game revolves around. Just my two cents.. So... they force you to play in college. Then force you to play for what team selects you. Then completely limit your income earning potential and lock you up for as many as 5 years. And saying- I don't want to go to a train wreck shell of a franchise is the selfish part? Seems like the nfl and ncaa are rather selfish. They're the one chewing up and spitting out kids for profit. Playing for the jets could have cost darnold like a hundred million dollars. Edited October 21, 2020 by dneveu 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 7 hours ago, smuvtalker said: I remember hearing something about that several years back but never dug it up and read any more about it. And i had NO idea whatsoever that Kelly did something like that, wow.....I mean he is my favorite player of all time. It's not the most shocking thing I've ever heard, but still definitely a surprise... But I still don't agree with it. For arguments sake, those of you who think that college players SHOULD be able to dictate where they go or don't go, what do you think should happen to/with the draft? How do teams remain competitive, especially in relation to superstars coming out of college? Thanks to the Bills secretary who interrupted the Bills meeting to sign Kelly to tell Kelly’s agent he had a phone call. It was the USFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Mike Greenberg said the same thing on ESPN and he's a Jets fan. https://www.espn.com/video/clip/_/id/30022404 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharky7337 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 (edited) 7 hours ago, smuvtalker said: I remember hearing something about that several years back but never dug it up and read any more about it. And i had NO idea whatsoever that Kelly did something like that, wow.....I mean he is my favorite player of all time. It's not the most shocking thing I've ever heard, but still definitely a surprise... But I still don't agree with it. For arguments sake, those of you who think that college players SHOULD be able to dictate where they go or don't go, what do you think should happen to/with the draft? How do teams remain competitive, especially in relation to superstars coming out of college? There's a special on espn plus all about Elway and the class of 83 and how it hall happened its an interesting watch but I agree with you. Edited October 21, 2020 by Sharky7337 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, H2o said: Mike Greenberg said the same thing on ESPN and he's a Jets fan. https://www.espn.com/video/clip/_/id/30022404 It’s an obvious take because are watching it right now with Sam Darnold. Odds are that Lawrence will have a different coach, but the GM hasn’t built around him at all so it’s not all on the coach. He’s relatively new but could have at least signed a decent WR this year or taken one that can run a route. I assume they are keeping the GM they just hired so question marks on his ability to build a team. Edited October 21, 2020 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 9 hours ago, Mark Vader said: The question now becomes, would Trevor Lawrence do something like this? He would be BAT SHEET crazy NOT too!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: It’s an obvious take because are watching it right now with Sam Darnold. Odds are that Lawrence will have a different coach, but the GM hasn’t built around him at all so it’s not all on the coach. He’s relatively new but could have at least signed a decent WR this year or taken one that can run a route. I assume they are keeping the GM they just hired so question marks on his ability to build a team. Greenberg is right though. They separated the GM and coach long ago so the two do not necessarily work in tandem with one another like most organizations. Maybe if they let Douglas in on the hiring process this time things will be a bit different? Who knows? If I'm Sunshine, I'd be mulling a return to Clemson as well if the Jets end up with the 1st pick simply for the fact of the pattern they have shown over the last 5-6 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsatlastin2018 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 It’s a completely different world today. Players are no longer slaves and chattels to the Billionaire owners, thanks to Marvellous Marvin Miller! RIP. The most astute, normally those with the largest initial value, are intelligent enough to get as much as possible in their initial and subsequent contracts. And ensure most of that is guaranteed and locked down! Lawrence is obviously in that category. Meaning, like many prior superstars from Elway to Kelly, he doesn’t have to accept what a 5 Alarm Tire Fire org aka the JESTS, dictate! Nor, should he! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTruster Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 11 hours ago, Back the Blue said: I don't remember this at all. Take that Fireman Ed. 😂 After finishing 1-15 in 1996, the Jets were primed to select Peyton Manning with the No. 1 pick and team him up with the newly hired Bill Parcells and previous top pick and wide receiver Keyshawn Johnson. Then the future Hall of Famer Manning stunningly announced he would return to Tennessee for his senior season, creating one of the biggest what-ifs in Jets history. Lawrence may do the exact same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordio Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 10 hours ago, Looper said: Lawrence would not be jeopardizing anything - he's a junior. If he stays in school, he runs the risk of getting injured without any guaranteed money. His choice and it probably depends on whether they win the national championship this year. That will have nothing to do with whether Lawrence returns to Clemson or not next year 10 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: Sure he is. This is what the poster said: "IMO, you go where you're drafted. If you have a problem with that, there's always the CFL, Arena football, the XFL, whatever. But no NFL for you." The difference is the money is not comparable in the CFL/Arena/XFL. USFL at the time was paying top price for premium talents, especially at the QB position. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 He won't avoid the Jets as they will throw big $$$$$$ at him. They are a disaster but if you can win in NY you are consider a NY legend forever. Namath, Manning, Jeter, Messier to name a few. He will have a new coach so he won't have to deal with Gase. Joe Douglas has done a good job acquiring picks. Its obvious this is a total rebuild and he has four 1st round picks( I think) in the next two drafts to work with. They can get good pretty fast if JD does well in the upcoming drafts. Despite the fact the Jets/Giants play in East Rutherford, NJ they are still considered NYC football teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fergie's ire Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 11 hours ago, smuvtalker said: Count me in the minority here, but I have a problem with these kids coming out of college and dictating where they will or won't go. It really rubs me the wrong way. I remember when Eli came out, and basically said he refused to go to the Chargers. They ended up swinging a trade with the Giants and got an extra 1st rounder, or two? I can't remember. But even back then, I thought to myself, "what a primadonna". And I don't have anything against Eli, but I'm old school. I'm of the belief that playing in the National Football League is a privilege that less than 1% of the population ever gets bestowed upon them, and to be selected in the NFL draft is an honor of the highest level. The NFL draft is a tradition that has gone on for as long as it has without a hitch, and was designed to promote competitiveness amongst teams. Now you got these kids coming out of college, with everyone in their ear, telling them how great they are, how their crap doesn't stink, and they can tell the NFL where THEY want to go....really? I'm sorry, I just don't think it should be that way. IMO, you go where you're drafted. If you have a problem with that, there's always the CFL, Arena football, the XFL, whatever. But no NFL for you. You had the chance, and you chose to make a statement "I'm bigger than the NFL." So godspeed young man. I know I may be alone in my thinking, but I feel like if we start (or continue) letting these kids dictate where they go when they're drafted, or say where they won't go, we're setting ourselves up for further chaos and audacious actions down the road. Furthermore, we're jeopardizing a tradition that has been a part of the league for damn near ever, and messing with the competitive spirit the game revolves around. Just my two cents.. I think that with Eli it is important to remember the context that he was being advised by his father. He played for a really poorly run Saints team. One year he led the conference in attempts, completions, and yards and the team finished with two wins. Another year he was the NFC player of the year...and his team was 7-9. Yes, there are teams that have ups and downs...with cyclical success and failure, but there are teams that are poorly run and always struggle (e.g. the football team). Archie did NOT want his son to go through what he went through, and he was the driving force behind Eli saying he would not play for the Chargers. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 I just can't see Trevor Lawrence in one of those 'Weeb Eubank' - rookie haircuts they make them get...🤔 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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