This game is not all Josh Allen’s fault.

[BuffaloBills1998]

I see a bunch of you guys ready to harp on Allen and while he was bad in the 1st half yes he got it together in the 2nd half. The defense couldn’t get off the field and without Milano and White playing with an injured back and without Star our defense has been struggling. I’m sure Beane and McD will do whatever they can to shore up the defense. Maybe even call back Star and see if he wants to come back this year. Allen needs a RB that will help him. Singletary is not the answer and honestly I’ve never been a fan of his. He needs a number 1 back to help him the way Thomas helped Kelly. And yes Thomas made Kelly look good, I remember Kelly having a streak of poorly QB games and he had more Receiving talent and a better o line than Allen has. Allen is getting better and is also having growing pains which HAPPENS!!!! I can see us definitely rebounding against the Jets and Miami. Newton is a broken down version of himself and even Belichick knows he’s not winning much with a broken down Newton. We already know who Fitz is so as long as Miami keeps him out there im not worried much and the Jets have completely blew up and are more clueless than Miami was back in 18 and 19. Barring injuries were fine and were gonna rebound and get better. 

[MAJBobby]

As much as I am an Allen Believer. He didn’t help. 
 

but it is a team game and eventually the Defense has to MAKE A PLAY when offense is struggling after all the Offense has covered for you all season 

[thenorthremembers]

They need to stop castrating him and allow him to run against cover 0.   Had he run early in the game and forced them to stop blizting the hell out of him the game is different.  Instead we got a guy who was off kilter trying to play hero ball.

 

He will bounce back but I give them no shot against blitz heavy teams until he can show he can beat it.  The Pittsburgh game should be a mess.

Edited October 20, 2020 by thenorthremembers

[BuffaloBills1998]

3 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

As much as I am an Allen Believer. He didn’t help. 
 

but it is a team game and eventually the Defense has to MAKE A PLAY when offense is struggling after all the Offense has covered for you all season 

No he didn’t help but Allen and the offense definitely bailed out the defense the first 4 games and he and Diggs and Beasley were the only ones to show up against the titans.

[transplantbillsfan]

Allen wasn't very good, but I also don't think he was as bad as our initial reaction is.

 

First of all, Daboll frustrates me... I feel like he's Jekyll and Hyde as an OC.  Our RBs just aren't very good... or our OL is just horrible at run blocking... or both.  Singletary had 1 run of 10 yards and 1 run of 9 yards at one point.  Other than those 2 runs our RBs still ran the ball 13 more times for a TOTAL of 23 yards.

 

We just get behind the sticks too often on those early downs and then have to rely on Allen to get us a 1st down.  And honestly, all year that's what he was doing with his arm... today he did it more often with his legs.  And the icing on the cake are the drops by our WRs.  I know the deep passes to Brown and Diggs in the EZ aren't drops, but those were good passes.  But Diggs had another drop at one point.  Brown had that drop on a perfectly thrown pass on 3rd and 10 on the very first drive that hit him in the facemask.  We've upgraded our WR corps for sure, but even before this game Allen was STILL suffering from highest drop % in the NFL.

 

And finally I really do think Allen has some Primetime Yips he needs to work through.  Last year I think I made the comment that Allen was much better on the road because there's less pressure to perform on the road than at home.  Same goes for Primetime games. 

 

He's still growing, and I'm confident he will, but I think the fact that he didn't have much of a spotlight in HS, JuCo, or D1 College is factoring into his need to grow a bit more into the game.

[wvbillsfan]

He could’ve played better for sure. But credit KC they did a good job. Their strategy was to grab, hold, and be physical. We got a bunch of penalties against them but we couldn’t get a rhythm offensively. 

[Nextmanup]

Allen was terrible in the game today.

 

Terrible.

 

That's 4 great games followed by 2 bad ones.  

 

Which player is he?  Does anyone know?

 

 

[BuffaloBills1998]

Just now, thenorthremembers said:

They need to stop castrating him and allow him to run against cover 0.   Had he run early in the game and forced them to stop blizting the hell out of him the game is different.  Instead we got a guy who was off kilter trying to play hero ball.

 

He will bounce back but I give them no ajot against blitz heavy teams until he can show he can beat it.  The Pittsburgh game should be a mess.

Pittsburgh just lost one if not there best defensive player to a nasty ACL injury. They’re defense will be a mess 

Just now, Nextmanup said:

Allen was terrible in the game today.

 

Terrible.

 

That's 4 great games followed by 2 bad ones.  

 

Which player is he?  Does anyone know?

 

 

He didn’t play that bad against Tennessee he was one of the only players who showed up in that game. 

[delirious]

Just now, MAJBobby said:

As much as I am an Allen Believer. He didn’t help. 
 

but it is a team game and eventually the Defense has to MAKE A PLAY when offense is struggling after all the Offense has covered for you all season 

 

Same. Josh didn't have a good game, by a longshot. But certain players who are good I give passes. Josh should be allowed to not have an MVP performance without being hung out to dry. (Needs to play better than this though, obviously). 

 

Stefon Diggs, John Brown, Cole Beasley are allowed to drop a ball here and there. 

 

Tre White is allowed to give up a chunk play every once in awhile. Matt Milano is allowed to miss a tackle here and there. 

 

The problem is the drop off between our good players and that next level.  They're forcing our good players to be excellent every game, which isn't practical nor sustainable.  

 

IMO

[thenorthremembers]

Just now, BuffaloBills1998 said:

Pittsburgh just lost one if not there best defensive player to a nasty ACL injury. They’re defense will be a mess 

Right Devin Bush is the reason TJ Watt, Cam Heyward, and Bud Dupree are beasts.  

[BuffaloBills1998]

2 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

If Allen is truly an ascending QB in this league, he can't have multiple games in a row like this. That's the bottom line...

 

All that MVP talk really was garbage if Allen can't pull it together.

My god it’s two ***** games for Christ sakes and two  games against two really good teams. This defense really needs Star back. Also for everyone on here that’s saying that Beane made a mistake by not resigning Lawson or Philips please remind me what either are doing for their new teams?

Just now, thenorthremembers said:

Right Devin Bush is the reason TJ Watt, Cam Heyward, and Bud Dupree are beasts.  

It’s a loss to they’re defense. It’ll be a good game regardless

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

If the bills keep trying to make Josh Allen - Drew Brees, it’s never going to work. Allen is what Newton was. You just got to let him play with his legs. I’m so happy he had a great 4 games passing this year. We will beat a lot of bad teams that way. He’s at his best when he’s running. Today is what he is against every good team. You just have to stop asking this guy to throw 40 times a game. He’s never going to be that guy. Let Allen run for 60 and throw for 230. We will beat good teams that way.

[Success]

I really don't put it on him at all.  He had a few bad throws in there, but everyone does. It is starting to actually bug me when HE has them, and announcers are like "there it is!  That's why people say what they say about Allen," but Mahomes can have 'em with nary a comment.

 

The reason I still have 100% faith in Allen:  if we got that fumble, or the D got even one stop that last Chiefs drive, I have no doubt we get the go-ahead score.

 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

Well since we know it was Tremaine Edmunds fault already , I’m not sure how it can be other people 

[BuffaloBills1998]

2 minutes ago, delirious said:

 

Same. Josh didn't have a good game, by a longshot. But certain players who are good I give passes. Josh should be allowed to not have an MVP performance without being hung out to dry. (Needs to play better than this though, obviously). 

 

Stefon Diggs, John Brown, Cole Beasley are allowed to drop a ball here and there. 

 

Tre White is allowed to give up a chunk play every once in awhile. Matt Milano is allowed to miss a tackle here and there. 

 

The problem is the drop off between our good players and that next level.  They're forcing our good players to be excellent every game, which isn't practical nor sustainable.  

 

IMO

Dude do you know how many bad games Kelly had?? There were times I literally couldn’t stand Kelly. One game he was 3-30 for 110 yards against the Panthers led by Frank Reich, other times he was 8-20 for 88 yards against the jets back in 94 I believe but I could be wrong. Every QB has bad games here and there he’ll Elway wasn’t perfect neither was Marino. 

[CountDorkula]

3 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

My god it’s two ***** games for Christ sakes and two  games against two really good teams. This defense really needs Star back. Also for everyone on here that’s saying that Beane made a mistake by not resigning Lawson or Philips please remind me what either are doing for their new teams?

so the Bills are going to be that team, that beats the teams worse than them and lose to the teams better than them.

 

So the last 17 years.

 

Good teams dont give up 300 yards rushing.

Good offenses dont go anemic for 8 quarters at a time. 

 

Phillips just forced a fumble leading to the AZ TD

 

 

[delirious]

Just now, BuffaloBills1998 said:

Dude do you know how many bad games Kelly had?? There were times I literally couldn’t stand Kelly. One game he was 3-30 for 110 yards against the Panthers led by Frank Reich, other times he was 8-20 for 88 yards against the jets back in 94 I believe but I could be wrong. Every QB has bad games here and there he’ll Elway wasn’t perfect neither was Marino. 

 

That's why I said I give good players passes when they have bad games, and mentioned Josh as one of those players. 

[thenorthremembers]

Just now, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Well since we know it was Tremaine Edmunds fault already , I’m not sure how it can be other people 

Anyone who wants to continue to say Edmunds isnt a massive problem is so clouded by wanting to be right about him that they no longer live in reality. 

[BuffaloBobs]

5 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

My god it’s two ***** games for Christ sakes and two  games against two really good teams. This defense really needs Star back. Also for everyone on here that’s saying that Beane made a mistake by not resigning Lawson or Philips please remind me what either are doing for their new teams?

 

And let's not forget that so many on this board and elsewhere perpetually called Star a bust and HATED that this staff played him as much as they did.

 

[aristocrat]

The d slowed the chiefs enough to win. Allen couldn’t move the ball at all and score. You’re not going to win only scoring 17 points against the chiefs

[BuffaloBills1998]

5 minutes ago, CountDorkula said:

so the Bills are going to be that team, that beats the teams worse than them and lose to the teams better than them.

 

So the last 17 years.

 

Good teams dont give up 300 yards rushing.

Good offenses dont go anemic for 8 quarters at a time. 

 

Phillips just forced a fumble leading to the AZ TD

 

 

Besides one play what else has Philips done to contribute?? And Lawson has been ass in Miami and is all of a sudden injury prone. 

[delirious]

9 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

Anyone who wants to continue to say Edmunds isnt a massive problem is so clouded by wanting to be right about him that they no longer live in reality. 

 

Used to be that way until this year. He's had plenty of time. Good/great players find ways to be good/great in spite of their team. Kind of like that lone bright spot you can see as someone to build your team around.  No matter what people say, I don't see it. I don't see Tremaine being good in spite of others around him supposedly being a detriment. Milano is good in spite of the team or others around him. 

 

 

Edited October 20, 2020 by delirious

[MAJBobby]

14 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

Allen was terrible in the game today.

 

Terrible.

 

That's 4 great games followed by 2 bad ones.  

 

Which player is he?  Does anyone know?

 

 

Sorry if you think the Titans game was a bad one 

[GreggTX]

Singletary is fine. Our OL is bad. Our DL is worse. KC's OL is bad too, but we made them look like all-pros.

[BuffaloBills1998]

1 minute ago, Gene1973 said:

I think this was the book on him? Flashes of talent but never going to be consistent enough?

Oh Jesus Christ this board was praising the ***** out of him 4 games in and now we’re ready to throw the towel in because of 2 games?? I’m sorry and I don’t give a ***** if I get flack for this but Bills fans are spoiled and self entitled little brats.

[BarleyNY]

10 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

They need to stop castrating him and allow him to run against cover 0.   Had he run early in the game and forced them to stop blizting the hell out of him the game is different.  Instead we got a guy who was off kilter trying to play hero ball.

 

He will bounce back but I give them no shot against blitz heavy teams until he can show he can beat it.  The Pittsburgh game should be a mess.

Allen needs to take care of the ball if he wants to be allowed to help the team by running it.  I think the coaching staff will ease him back into running the ball.  He’ll have to earn it by protecting it and himself in limited opportunities.  If he does, then he’ll get more designed runs. 

[BuffaloBills1998]

Just now, BarleyNY said:

Allen needs to take care of the ball if he wants to be allowed to help the team by running it.  I think the coaching staff will ease him back into running the ball.  He’ll have to earn it by protecting it and himself in limited opportunities.  If he does, then he’ll get more designed runs. 

He’s gonna have to throw and run because he’s not getting zip from either Singletary or Moss. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

6 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

Anyone who wants to continue to say Edmunds isnt a massive problem is so clouded by wanting to be right about him that they no longer live in reality. 

So the bills front office And coaching staff should be privy to your insight. If you are a fan you might even explain yourself to help the team 

[thenorthremembers]

Just now, BarleyNY said:

Allen needs to take care of the ball if he wants to be allowed to help the team by running it.  I think the coaching staff will ease him back into running the ball.  He’ll have to earn it by protecting it and himself in limited opportunities.  If he does, then he’ll get more designed runs. 

Good and in the mean time they can lose more games.  But at least theyll lose responsibly.  If they want Josh Allen to be Tom Brady they may as well cut him now.

[BuffaloBills1998]

1 minute ago, Gene1973 said:

He has physical tools, but he's a creampuff...

The MLB position definitely is going to be a target position for us in either free agency or the draft

[thenorthremembers]

Just now, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

So the bills front office And coaching staff should be privy to your insight. If you are a fan you might even explain yourself to help the team 

Is that a question?  The Bills traded up for a guy who looks more and more like a bust.  You really think they are happy about the way he is playing?  

[BarleyNY]

1 minute ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

He’s gonna have to throw and run because he’s not getting zip from either Singletary or Moss. 

He’s gonna have to hold onto the ball if he wants designed runs.  Just sayin. 

[Buffalo Boy]

11 minutes ago, Success said:

I really don't put it on him at all.  He had a few bad throws in there, but everyone does. It is starting to actually bug me when HE has them, and announcers are like "there it is!  That's why people say what they say about Allen," but Mahomes can have 'em with nary a comment.

 

The reason I still have 100% faith in Allen:  if we got that fumble, or the D got even one stop that last Chiefs drive, I have no doubt we get the go-ahead score.

 

    Speaking of bad Mahomes passes, there were a couple legit picks ( Norman had one) we didn’t get and a couple other high passes that got “ tip drilled” by his receivers. Our D HAS to catch some of those. 
    When the fumble happened at the end I KNEW Allen was going to punch it in. I still believe he would have.

[BarleyNY]

2 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

Good and in the mean time they can lose more games.  But at least theyll lose responsibly.  If they want Josh Allen to be Tom Brady they may as well cut him now.

Do you know how fumbling away the ball impacts a team’s chances of winning a game?

[Nihilarian]

5 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

The Cheifs D is not all that good and Allen struggled. It's two games that point to the first 4 as being a bit of a mirrage on the franchise QB front.

Allen played better than Lamar Jackson did against that same Chiefs defense in week 3. In fact, that score was Chiefs 34 Ravens 20. 

 

Jackson went 15 of 28 for 97 yards, 1 TD. Baltimore ran much better though 21 rushes 158 yards. Buffalo vs Chiefs 23 rushes for 84 yards.

 

The Bills offensive run game stunk. Lots of drops in the game, John Brown 4 targets 0 catches. The Bills O line was bad, can't run block and pass blocking on third down looked like a jailbreak.

 

The Bills defense was the worst part of this game by giving up 46 rushes for 245 yards. Time of possession 37:45 Chiefs vs 22:15 Buffalo. 

[thenorthremembers]

Just now, BarleyNY said:

Do you know how fumbling away the ball impacts a team’s chances of winning a game?

You know he hasnt fumbled in either of their losses this year right?  And the games where his fumbles were so impactful?  Wins.  They drafted Josh Allen so they better get real comfy with using him. 

 

The Chiefs were blitzing at will in the 1st half.  You have to make them pay for that.  You either hit something deep which he couldnt do because a. He had no time and b. He couldnt hit the broad side of a barn.

 

Ill take fumbles and wins over a frazzled qb who isnt doing jack.  

[TwistofFate]

Clearly it's not all on him but he didn't do much to help outside of 1 really good drive. 

[DCofNC]

This game was not on Allen AT ALL, he was the only player who didn’t suck.  He was under pressure the entire game and got zero support, more dropped balls, no running game, again, and the D should go jump in Lake Erie and not come back.

[All_Pro_Bills]

 I think Allen's left shoulder injury is a lot worse than the team is saying.  To me it looked like his throwing mechanics, his footwork, throwing stance, and release were are compromised by the need to compensate for the injury.  This will come out at some point but for now he's taking a lot of criticism. 

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

The defense gave up 245 yards of rushing.

 

Allen is a problem but not the only problem