Sean McDermott-Overrated

[Big Blitz]

4 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

This is a joke right?

 

No.

 

They have wasted this year's defense (that's 1) with poor decisions in the trenches and at LBs.

 

Sticking with Edmonds as long as they have....that's also a problem. 

[John from Riverside]

2 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

No.

 

They have wasted this year's defense (that's 1) with poor decisions in the trenches and at LBs.

 

Sticking with Edmonds as long as they have....that's also a problem. 

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"Edmunds was named the NFL defensive rookie of the month in December after recording 43 tackles, 4 passes defended, 1 sack and 2 interceptions.^[26] Overall, he recorded 121 total tackles on the year with two sacks, two interceptions, and two forced fumbles. "

 

Yeah.....I would stick with one of the youngest players in the league that did this

[Big Blitz]

4 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

On the contrary, they were just discussing how we have the 20th best point differential in the league, which is a much better predictor of quality than record.  

 

No one here is discussing that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

No it just means our defense is garbage and missing its 2nd best player maybe even best player badly.  Just another example of doing whatever you want with numbers to confirm what we all know anyways.  The Bills are not one of the 5 best maybe even 7? best teams in the league.  They're in the upper half.  This I know.  Don't think I ever said they were the best or one the 5 best in the league.   

 

The differences are negligible across the league anyway.  

 

I guess Arizona and Tampa are the 2 best teams in the NFC then.  Would much rather play them then Seattle.  Or Green Bay.  Or New Orleans (+3).  

 

 

And so sorry for your wasted time listening to them today.  Would rather jump off a bridge.

[Big Blitz]

3 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

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"Edmunds was named the NFL defensive rookie of the month in December after recording 43 tackles, 4 passes defended, 1 sack and 2 interceptions.^[26] Overall, he recorded 121 total tackles on the year with two sacks, two interceptions, and two forced fumbles. "

 

Yeah.....I would stick with one of the youngest players in the league that did this

 

 

Ok.  I'll ask you if you still want to win his 5th year option is up after next season.  He has 25 games to figure it out.  Sorry he's so young but.  We have a defense worse by the week.

 

I agree with you I wouldn't give up on him yet either.  But I'm running out of patience.  I know he can cover.  I think he can get to the QB if we let him.  He needs to go to OLB but they won't do that bc Milano is there.  And we play with 2 LBs mostly.  

[Hapless Bills Fan]

On 10/19/2020 at 7:16 PM, Big Blitz said:

Love how our record doesn't really mean anything when we beat teams with combined records of 2-7 or whatever.

 

10-13 but that's really skewed by the Jets.  10-7 if we omit them as an outlier

 

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Lose 2 games to teams a combined 9-1......EVERYONE PANIC

 

Yep.

[BaaadThingsMan]

He's a better 1:00 Sunday coach than a 2 or 3 pm Monday or Tuesday coach. 

[jkirchofer]

I don't think McDermott or Beane is capable of effectively evaluating and developing talent. I'll stand by that until they get fired in two years. 

[Norcalbillsfan]

Why is this a topic and not asking questions about frazier?

[Buftex]

This is not a slam on McDermott (I like our coach, and in no way want him fired), but I was just watching "Inside the NFL". 

 

The panel was going around making their "what we learned" observations from this past week of football...they get to Ray Lewis.  He says (para-pharasing): "The Buffalo Bills! Everyone saying they are one of the great teams in the AFC.  I watcehd their last two games...they have  peices, but winning takes a culture.  They don't have that culture."   

 

I don't really value Ray's opinion too much (though I'd let him suit up at LB in a Bills uniform right now), but I just thought it was striking that he struck right at the core of the thing that McDermotts' reputaiton is supposed to be built on, as the team's overriding problem.  

Edited October 21, 2020 by Buftex

[Dr.Sack]

I’d prefer a team that won against the teams.

[Rubes]

I actually think McDermott is a pretty good coach and I'm glad we have him. However, it's increasingly difficult to overlook that he hasn't had a signature win against a top team since he's been here, when plenty of other new coaches have. Even Flores in Miami somehow was able to beat the Pats**** in NE last year in a game that meant a lot to the Pats***, something McD has yet to do. It's concerning, I'll admit.

 

That, and some of the worst defensive performances in this team's history have been with McD at the helm just over the past 3 years. I could understand it in his first year, but it's not acceptable now.

 

I think he'll end up being an excellent coach, but he really needs to figure this thing out soon. I just don't know what to think of this defense anymore.

 

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

This all goes back to the extension he was given before the season. 
 

I said at the time we may as well see how he does against a tougher schedule this season since he still had two years left and the team hasn’t performed well against eventual playoff teams to say the least. 

I also said I wasn’t upset about the extension, just curious why we couldn’t wait a year or even 9 games (after Seattle, KC, NE)
 

In that context you have to admit it’s leaning one way. 
 

there is still time to beat some pretty good teams and I actually think they will beat a good team at some point this season

 

but the timing of the extension is still strange to me. It highlights the acceptance of mediocrity amongst ownership and fanbase. 

 

[Rubes]

I think it's fair to say the win against the Rams is a good one against a strong team, but it's also hard to ignore that it required a last-minute comeback after an epic defensive collapse. That has to be part of the overall conversation.

[corta765]

On 10/19/2020 at 8:26 PM, Hebert19 said:

Wow.  The sky is falling already 

 

Not just falling were now into space with how fast people have panicked.

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

3 minutes ago, Rubes said:

I think it's fair to say the win against the Rams is a good one against a strong team, but it's also hard to ignore that it required a last-minute comeback after an epic defensive collapse. That has to be part of the overall conversation.

no. A win is a win around here. There is no nuance allowed 

[Billsatlastin2018]

On 10/19/2020 at 8:13 PM, clayboy54 said:

Really? You have no idea what you’re talking about. What McD has done in such a short time boarders on miraculous. Accept that we’re not ready for prime time yet and that’s okay. It’s where we are right now. As long as Beane and McDermott keep building this team up, I am satisfied. Eventually we’ll be championship material. Because everybody jumped the gun and wanted us to be Super Bowl ready doesn’t mean we are.

 

Easy there, Hoss! 
 

What is the reality of the McD era? 
 

Well, we know for sure it was a 5 Alarm Tire Fire BEFORE he got here! But like the OP, my ONLY metric is equivalent to his “signature win” criteria. I don’t give a fiddler’s fart about rolling the league stiffs in a given year. I want to know and have tracked for every millennial year, what have the Bills accomplished against Playoff Teams of the SAME year? I don’t care, T this juncture, about winning by 1 point or 30, by fluke, by determination, by great plays and bad plays.

 

Simply, what happened? The answer is, PRE McD, they were awful, winning at a 19-78 pace or 24%... about 9% on the Road. Terrible, right?

 

And now your ‘miraculous HC’?

 

Bills under McDermott v.s. Same Year Playoff Teams

 

2017 = 2-4

2018 = 0-7

2019 = 1- 4

2020 =  0-2 ?

 

TOTAL = 3 - 17  OR 20%
 

They are WORSE!

 

There are at least 2 other Likely Playoff Bound teams coming up, not counting N.E. - Seattle & the Steelers. Keep track. 
NADA has been markedly improved as yet.

 

And blowout wins over the Trevor Lawrence candidates, never count!

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

12 minutes ago, Billsatlastin2018 said:

 

Easy there, Hoss! 
 

What is the reality of the McD era? 
 

Well, we know for sure it was a 5 Alarm Tire Fire BEFORE he got here! But like the OP, my ONLY metric is equivalent to his “signature win” criteria. I don’t give a fiddler’s fart about rolling the league stiffs in a given year. I want to know and have tracked for every millennial year, what have the Bills accomplished against Playoff Teams of the SAME year? I don’t care, T this juncture, about winning by 1 point or 30, by fluke, by determination, by great plays and bad plays.

 

Simply, what happened? The answer is, PRE McD, they were awful, winning at a 19-78 pace or 24%... about 9% on the Road. Terrible, right?

 

And now your ‘miraculous HC’?

 

Bills under McDermott v.s. Same Year Playoff Teams

 

2017 = 2-4

2018 = 0-7

2019 = 1- 4

2020 =  0-2 ?

 

TOTAL = 3 - 17  OR 20%
 

They are WORSE!

 

There are at least 2 other Likely Playoff Bound teams coming up, not counting N.E. - Seattle & the Steelers. Keep track. 
NADA has been markedly improved as yet.

 

And blowout wins over the Trevor Lawrence candidates, never count!

 Does that win% include the two playoff losses?

[Billsfan1972]

1 hour ago, Billsatlastin2018 said:

 

Easy there, Hoss! 
 

What is the reality of the McD era? 
 

Well, we know for sure it was a 5 Alarm Tire Fire BEFORE he got here! But like the OP, my ONLY metric is equivalent to his “signature win” criteria. I don’t give a fiddler’s fart about rolling the league stiffs in a given year. I want to know and have tracked for every millennial year, what have the Bills accomplished against Playoff Teams of the SAME year? I don’t care, T this juncture, about winning by 1 point or 30, by fluke, by determination, by great plays and bad plays.

 

Simply, what happened? The answer is, PRE McD, they were awful, winning at a 19-78 pace or 24%... about 9% on the Road. Terrible, right?

 

And now your ‘miraculous HC’?

 

Bills under McDermott v.s. Same Year Playoff Teams

 

2017 = 2-4

2018 = 0-7

2019 = 1- 4

2020 =  0-2 ?

 

TOTAL = 3 - 17  OR 20%
 

They are WORSE!

 

There are at least 2 other Likely Playoff Bound teams coming up, not counting N.E. - Seattle & the Steelers. Keep track. 
NADA has been markedly improved as yet.

 

And blowout wins over the Trevor Lawrence candidates, never count!

The Tire Fire is the narrative everyone loves to note with Marrone leaving & Rex Ryan being a bull in the china shop (those 3 years had the same record as McD's first 3 years).

 

2017 Playoff wins were vs. Atl & KC, which were good wins.  The 2019 was vs. Tenn, where they missed 4 fgs!!!!!!

 

I refuse to call 25-23 miraculous.  

 

Bills fans set the bar so so low......  Let's compare them to  the Jets & Giants to get excited? 

Edited October 21, 2020 by Billsfan1972

[Billsatlastin2018]

10 minutes ago, Chemical said:

 Does that win% include the two playoff losses?

NO! That's a bonus topic. Thought a 0 v.s. 0 comparison, Post Season, wasn’t fair.

[BBills88]

Complaining about a coach with a plan. After 17 years of BS.

2 out of his 3 seasons made it to the playoffs. After 17 years without playoffs.

You don't win them all. 

I hope the Bills fans are not becoming entitled and impatient over two losses.

 

Mc Dermott is fine as a coach.

 

Don't  forget 

 

Tom Brady saved Billycheck's Job who was on his second NFL head coaching stint.

Andy Reid on his second NFL coaching stint.

Pete Carroll on his second NFL coaching stint.

 

The Steelers stick with their coaches and they all have won a superbowl.

 

Let's be patient and trust the coach and his process.

 

[Dopey]

On 10/19/2020 at 8:13 PM, Buffalo716 said:

Dude you used to love McDermott

Right?!?

[Jrb1979]

I don't think he's a top tier coach at all. His half adjustments are don't right awful. The process nonsense is just that nonsense. 

[Dopey]

On 10/19/2020 at 8:08 PM, McBean said:

You can't name me one signature win in 4 years.

 

He hasn't beaten the Pats, sucked on primetime, and only beat the Steelers because the QB was named "Duck."

 

The Tennessee Titans have adopted their coaches attitude: Tough, resilient, aggressive, and don't back down from ANYBODY.

 

Our Bills have adopted their HC attitude: Timid, soft, and conservative with no aggression.

 

Sean McDermott was supposed to be a defensive guru yet, his defense is the worst I've seen in years.

 

A couple of other things:

 

1. The fake snap count to draw opposing team Offside DOESN'T WORK. It's soft. It's conservative. It's stupid. We let them rest for 5 minutes to just completely blow up the next play then proceeded to punt. That cost us huge.

 

2. I want somebody to be responsible for using this much capital into the defensive side of the ball through draft picks and free agents yet, we still SUCK. It's not acceptable and somebody needs to take ownership.

 

Make no mistake, this team is soft and can't compete with the big boys. We choked twice on primetime and will be lucky to win the East. The Patriots will shred this team.

 

We as fans deserve to be pissed because we have suffered to damn long to support this crap.

So you post on this RIGHT AFTER a loss. Feelings must have been through the roof. 

Suggestion:

Let the alcohol wear off before you post again.

[mjt328]

There is only one Bill Belichick.  A coach who can constantly adapt and change strategy, regardless of personnel and circumstances around the team.

The vast majority of coaches in the NFL are average.  They have a system/scheme, and their success is dependent on having the right players to execute it.  

 

McDermott's first three years, he was without a Top 15 franchise QB.  But his defenses were good enough to carry the team to the playoffs twice.  If you can make the playoffs without a franchise QB, then coaching is not the problem.  As I've mentioned in other posts, the McDermott/Frazier defense is heavily dependent on the 1-Tech DT and having two athletic LBs.  Due to Star Lotulelei unexpectedly opting out and the injury to Matt Milano, this defense is without two of its key pieces.

 

If we can find a decent 1-Tech DT available for trade, and Milano gets healthy, then I'm optimistic this defense will turn it around.

If we don't, this is going to be a struggle all year long.  Our coaching staff is not good enough to totally reform the scheme in the middle of the season, but neither are 99% of the coaches in the NFL.  Belichick is in a class by himself.

 

 

[Real McClappy]

11 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

There is only one Bill Belichick.  A coach who can constantly adapt and change strategy, regardless of personnel and circumstances around the team.

The vast majority of coaches in the NFL are average.  They have a system/scheme, and their success is dependent on having the right players to execute it.  

 

McDermott's first three years, he was without a Top 15 franchise QB.  But his defenses were good enough to carry the team to the playoffs twice.  If you can make the playoffs without a franchise QB, then coaching is not the problem.  As I've mentioned in other posts, the McDermott/Frazier defense is heavily dependent on the 1-Tech DT and having two athletic LBs.  Due to Star Lotulelei unexpectedly opting out and the injury to Matt Milano, this defense is without two of its key pieces.

 

If we can find a decent 1-Tech DT available for trade, and Milano gets healthy, then I'm optimistic this defense will turn it around.

If we don't, this is going to be a struggle all year long.  Our coaching staff is not good enough to totally reform the scheme in the middle of the season, but neither are 99% of the coaches in the NFL.  Belichick is in a class by himself.

 

 

Nice post!

 

BB is 100% in a class of his own. However, he is seeing first hand what not having Tommy feels like. You can finally smell some blood in the water at this phase.  

 

There is a lot of season left though. I still 100% support the Bills FO and coaching staff. If we manage to somehow drop both games to the Pats, I too might start second guessing crap if McD goes 0-8 over a 4 year span against them. 

 

Time will tell, just win the #$%^&*@ Division!

[Billsfan1972]

Again McD seems like a good coach to date.  I've had plenty of issues with him, but definitely done some good things.

 

What he has not shown is he is anything more then good (if that) to date.

 

Again the issues

 

1. Terrible at halftime adjustments

2. Conservative close to the vest has cost the Bills wins

3. Blown out way too often

4. Record vs. playoff teams

5. Record vs. teams over .500, which is 5 wins in 2017-19

6. Terrible at challenges

7. Hasn't shown the ability to adapt

8. Named Peterman the starter in a playoff hunt & doubled down year 2

9. Only coach to go 48 games with out a 300 yard passing game from the offense

10. 30, 29 & 24th ranked offense first 3 years

 

Also I wanted to start a new thread, but decided against it.  2017-19 the bills averaged 18.4 points/game & 310 yards of offense a game (context Mahomes in his two seasons 2018/19 averaged 303 passing) & you wonder why I clamour for some offense?

 

Edited October 22, 2020 by Billsfan1972

[clayboy54]

2 hours ago, Billsatlastin2018 said:

 

Easy there, Hoss! 
 

What is the reality of the McD era? 
 

Well, we know for sure it was a 5 Alarm Tire Fire BEFORE he got here! But like the OP, my ONLY metric is equivalent to his “signature win” criteria. I don’t give a fiddler’s fart about rolling the league stiffs in a given year. I want to know and have tracked for every millennial year, what have the Bills accomplished against Playoff Teams of the SAME year? I don’t care, T this juncture, about winning by 1 point or 30, by fluke, by determination, by great plays and bad plays.

 

Simply, what happened? The answer is, PRE McD, they were awful, winning at a 19-78 pace or 24%... about 9% on the Road. Terrible, right?

 

And now your ‘miraculous HC’?

 

Bills under McDermott v.s. Same Year Playoff Teams

 

2017 = 2-4

2018 = 0-7

2019 = 1- 4

2020 =  0-2 ?

 

TOTAL = 3 - 17  OR 20%
 

They are WORSE!

 

There are at least 2 other Likely Playoff Bound teams coming up, not counting N.E. - Seattle & the Steelers. Keep track. 
NADA has been markedly improved as yet.

 

And blowout wins over the Trevor Lawrence candidates, never count!

I respect what you are saying. I don't think it's a realistic gauge in today's NFL because there are no dynasties anymore. Today, if a Team wins all their games against non-elite teams, they will make and win in the playoffs every year. Then, barring a fluke where a non-elite team makes it to the championship game or the Superbowl, you will have to have a signature win or two to take home the Lombardi.

 

Until we get to that place, I could care less about signature wins.

[Billsfan1972]

1 minute ago, clayboy54 said:

I respect what you are saying. I don't think it's a realistic gauge in today's NFL because there are no dynasties anymore. Today, if a Team wins all their games against non-elite teams, they will make and win in the playoffs every year. Then, barring a fluke where a non-elite team makes it to the championship game or the Superbowl, you will have to have a signature win or two to take home the Lombardi.

 

Until we get to that place, I could care less about signature wins.

How about 1 the prior two years (Tennessee missing 4 fgs, was no signature win)?😡

[BaaadThingsMan]

12 hours ago, Buftex said:

This is not a slam on McDermott (I like our coach, and in no way want him fired), but I was just watching "Inside the NFL". 

 

The panel was going around making their "what we learned" observations from this past week of football...they get to Ray Lewis.  He says (para-pharasing): "The Buffalo Bills! Everyone saying they are one of the great teams in the AFC.  I watcehd their last two games...they have  peices, but winning takes a culture.  They don't have that culture."   

 

I don't really value Ray's opinion too much (though I'd let him suit up at LB in a Bills uniform right now), but I just thought it was striking that he struck right at the core of the thing that McDermotts' reputaiton is supposed to be built on, as the team's overriding problem.  

I think there's truth to this statement. Something is off right now. The team has had spurts of bad play the last couple of seasons and recovered from them.

 

This just feels different this time, like McD is fighting a losing battle with the locker room right now. There are alot of new faces in there, did they take on more personalities than they could handle?

[ngbills]

3 hours ago, BaaadThingsMan said:

I think there's truth to this statement. Something is off right now. The team has had spurts of bad play the last couple of seasons and recovered from them.

 

This just feels different this time, like McD is fighting a losing battle with the locker room right now. There are alot of new faces in there, did they take on more personalities than they could handle?

Add in Spain release today. You got deactivated Murphy and Phillips. Spain released. Those are all worse than losing snaps. That is not even in a uniform. Not trying to read too much into things but add in a lot of seemingly questionable injuries with guys not playing. Has some feeling of losing the locker room. 

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

12 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Again McD seems like a good coach to date.  I've had plenty of issues with him, but definitely done some good things.

 

What he has not shown is he is anything more then good (if that) to date.

 

Again the issues

 

1. Terrible at halftime adjustments

2. Conservative close to the vest has cost the Bills wins

3. Blown out way too often

4. Record vs. playoff teams

5.Record vs. teams over .500, which is 5 wins in 2017-19

6. Terrible at challenges

7. Hasn't shown the ability to adapt

8. Nmaed Peterman the starter in a playoff hunt & doubled down year 2

9. Only coach to go 48 games with out a 300 yard passing game from the offense

10. 30, 29 & 24th ranked offense first 3 years

 

Also I wanted to start a new thread, but decided against it.  2017-19 the bills averaged 18.4 points/game & 310 yards of offense a game (context Mahomes in his two seasons 2018/19 averaged 303 passing) & you wonder why I clamour for some offense?

 

 

I agree McDermott is a good coach to date. I just wish we didn’t marry him before the season.