JaCrispy Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 2 hours ago, inaugural balls said: Agree - love ya Jim, but not 100% confident? What is he watching? You have to remember that Jim is probably just as jaded as the rest of us when it comes to the Bills QB position...and even when you’re literally watching Allen’s greatness with your own eyes, sometimes you still have to pinch yourself because we have been so programmed to anticipate the worst...so, I totally get where Jim is coming from... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 14 hours ago, Jaraxxus said: I wish the old guys would just let this team be itself. They had their time. Alumni from other teams are always giving props to current players on there former teams. Look a Michael Irvin all loud and proud every week about the Cowgirls on NFLN. Lots of other examples out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 10 hours ago, Niagara Dude said: I still remember when Jim Kelly wanted to no part of Buffalo and now lives in Buffalo and is the Bills biggest supporter, just like fans Jim has been waiting a long time to finally see the team have a great QB. Good for Jim and hope he lives another 30 years I thought he moved to Florida for good a few years ago? And yes on the rest. 7 hours ago, ganesh said: I don't think he really had good vibe about JP or Tyrod I don't recall him ever hyping-up a Bills QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 8 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: He just answers questions that he's asked he doesn't go around looking for Josh Allen interviews I think this is true .... now. And I totally get it/agree. He's the most famous Bill and people want his opinion. But you have to admit, there was a pretty good stretch of post-retirement years in which Kelly, Thurman and Andre were all over the place. That got annoying to me. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 43 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: You have to remember that Jim is probably just as jaded as the rest of us when it comes to the Bills QB position...and even when you’re literally watching Allen’s greatness with your own eyes, sometimes you still have to pinch yourself because we have been so programmed to anticipate the worst...so, I totally get where Jim is coming from... I’d think he, if anyone, would see it through a different lens then that if a fan. Maybe not 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 40 minutes ago, Doc said: I thought he moved to Florida for good a few years ago? Nope 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 15 hours ago, Jaraxxus said: I wish the old guys would just let this team be itself. They had their time. It’s a good thing having them around and involved to a certain degree but I do get a laugh out of people calling for them to be coaches. Just let it go 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 1 hour ago, Doc said: I thought he moved to Florida for good a few years ago? And yes on the rest. I don't recall him ever hyping-up a Bills QB. He was excited about Trent Edwards and the 4-0 start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 He said the same about Tyrod, Fitz, EJ, Trent, JP, Bledsoe and Collins. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 16 hours ago, Jaraxxus said: I wish the old guys would just let this team be itself. They had their time. How exactly is JK not letting “this team be itself?” I haven’t heard or seen peep of the notion that any of our franchise past greats are meddling in what the Bills are try to do. FYI, @Hapless Bills Fanposted elsewhere this week that the Bills are incorporating concepts of the K-Gun offense with Daboll and Josh’s express wish...but why would we want such a thing? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 I believe Allen will have a bottom ceiling of Phil Simms and top ceiling of a Brett Favre, for me a franchise QB does not have to be a superstar to be your guy for 10-12 years. Simms was not a superstar but he won a Super Bowl, was not elite but he was consistent and gave his team a chance to win. Having said that i am very confident Allen will be better than Simms because of his arm talent and is more mobile. The Bills just need to continue to get greedy and add players around him, this league is about passing the football, if Knox does not work out then find another guy because the TE is the QB'S favorite friend. Josh was labelled a project the day we drafted him, so unless your blind or have a poor undertanding of the game you should be able to see his growth and improvement from year to year. That gets me excited the most because i believe he will only get better and better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Hooks Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 I personally don’t care if anyone cares to hear the opinions of the old timers on the new regime. But just like all of us, they have opinions, and not like us they lived it and have a more knowledgeable opinion. I just find it strange that so many people that don’t care about their opinions opened and read a thread about their opinions? Seems odd to me, but I’d prefer a HOF QBs positive take than most of the drivel spewed by many around here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted October 11, 2020 Author Share Posted October 11, 2020 I tried to make it clear in subject so those who did not want to read about it could skip it but some did not who did not want to hear about it. It appears they more like to complain about it rather than not hear about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 9 hours ago, inaugural balls said: Agree - love ya Jim, but not 100% confident? What is he watching? Let’s say Josh gets a ring for the Bills in his first try + SB MVP. He would automatically become the greatest QB in Bills history. I wonder how happy Jimbo would be about that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 (edited) I can't blame Jim for voicing his opinion. He's a HOF QB and a legend in WNY. As Buffalo716 pointed out previously, of course people are going to ask him questions. Saying that he's less than 100% confident doesn't bother me. While I don't blame him, I take what Jim says with a grain of salt. On the one hand, he knows the position of quarterback better than anyone here. But on the other hand, despite his occasional attempt at humility, the man obviously has some ego. I think his ego, combined with his love for the team, can make him a cautious skeptic. I think Josh would have to achieve back-to-back 6,000 yards seasons and a Super Bowl ring for Jim to concede that Allen just might possibly be as good as him. Edited October 11, 2020 by hondo in seattle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 (edited) 33 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said: I can't blame Jim for voicing his opinion. He's a HOF QB and a legend in WNY. As Buffalo716 pointed out previously, of course people are going to ask him questions. Saying that he's less than 100% confident doesn't bother me. While I don't blame him, I take what Jim says with a grain of salt. On the one hand, he knows the position of quarterback better than anyone here. But on the other hand, despite his occasional attempt at humility, the man obviously has some ego. I think his ego, combined with his love for the team, can make him a cautious skeptic. I think Josh would have to achieve back-to-back 6,000 yards seasons and a Super Bowl ring for Jim to concede that Allen just might possibly be as good as him. He's obviously cautiously a skeptic. He definitely can see the change in culture, but there's always that seed of doubt that maybe it's the same He has felt all the ups and downs with the bills over these least 30 some years Edited October 11, 2020 by Buffalo716 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 7 hours ago, Rico said: Let’s say Josh gets a ring for the Bills in his first try + SB MVP. He would automatically become the greatest QB in Bills history. I wonder how happy Jimbo would be about that. I’d expect him to say all the right things. And he would. But boy o boy....deep down? Mmmm mmm 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 On 10/10/2020 at 5:12 PM, Limeaid said: https://www.foxnews.com/sports/jim-kelly-loves-seeing-josh-allen-become-heir-to-bills-throne Someone on staff give Kelly a job even if it is in Offense booth on home days. Wyoming head coach Craig Bohl and Dawkins too. Why? This isn't a part time job. 11 hours ago, Niagara Dude said: I believe Allen will have a bottom ceiling of Phil Simms and top ceiling of a Brett Favre, for me a franchise QB does not have to be a superstar to be your guy for 10-12 years. Simms was not a superstar but he won a Super Bowl, was not elite but he was consistent and gave his team a chance to win. Having said that i am very confident Allen will be better than Simms because of his arm talent and is more mobile. The Bills just need to continue to get greedy and add players around him, this league is about passing the football, if Knox does not work out then find another guy because the TE is the QB'S favorite friend. Josh was labelled a project the day we drafted him, so unless your blind or have a poor undertanding of the game you should be able to see his growth and improvement from year to year. That gets me excited the most because i believe he will only get better and better. Allen already is better than Simms. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 8 hours ago, matter2003 said: Allen already is better than Simms. Simms had a great defense, running game and ST's. He was nothing special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 6 minutes ago, Doc said: Simms had a great defense, running game and ST's. He was nothing special. Exactly...imo, a really good game manager... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 24 minutes ago, Doc said: Simms had a great defense, running game and ST's. He was nothing special. In Simms' wildest dreams he sees himself putting a team on his back like Allen has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordio Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 On 10/10/2020 at 7:59 PM, 4_kidd_4 said: For the record, proud Gen-Xer here. The “glory days” were middle school and high school for me. What a fantastic time in a young man’s life for his favorite team to be so damn good! I lived it. Often in person. Fortunate to have actually been at legendary games in person, including “The Comeback”, and “51-3”, amongst others. BUT...that was a long time ago. I personally no longer care what these guys think/say/do anymore. It’s completely irrelevant, in my opinion. And I cannot back the “to each their. own” vibe enough. You want to hang on to that ancient history, then you enjoy that. I just feel the young guns shouldn’t be kept in the shadows of these fossils anymore. Totally agree with this. Was a senior in high school the first super bowl, what a great time to be a Bills fan. But that time is over, it is a new era in Bills football and the future is bright. In some weird way, I think the Bills were held back because they were always looking back to the glory days. Perfect example was hiring MarV Levy as GM when he clearly wasn't qualified, or bringing Buddy Nix back. Hopefully next year they let us pack the stadium again because it will be quite the scene there next season if so. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted October 12, 2020 Author Share Posted October 12, 2020 45 minutes ago, Gordio said: Totally agree with this. Was a senior in high school the first super bowl, what a great time to be a Bills fan. But that time is over, it is a new era in Bills football and the future is bright. In some weird way, I think the Bills were held back because they were always looking back to the glory days. Perfect example was hiring MarV Levy as GM when he clearly wasn't qualified, or bringing Buddy Nix back. Hopefully next year they let us pack the stadium again because it will be quite the scene there next season if so. Marv Levy was brought back for one reason - Tom Donahoe alienated fans and Marv was brought back to repair relations. It was not "looking back to the glory days". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryPinC Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 30 minutes ago, Limeaid said: Marv Levy was brought back for one reason - Tom Donahoe alienated fans and Marv was brought back to repair relations. It was not "looking back to the glory days". Marv was also brought back because Ralph knew him. If there's any problem with "looking back" it was with our owner's reticence to bring in a front office with someone new, as in Marv and Buddy Nix. Later with Russ running the show it was just bridled incompetence. I have no problem with keeping in touch with our most successful alumnus. Sustaining success teaches its own lessons and that is best handed down on a player to player level rather than a coach preaching it. Plus it gives the new guys an appreciation of the franchise and what it means to play for us. Absolutely it's a problem if the alumnus feel too entitled to meddle with the current players but is that what happens? The only concern I have at times is Kelly opinionating on the QB, but he says nothing negative while they're here fighting for the job. But otherwise it seems like there's a good balance of occasional interactions. Bruce Smith spent Myles Garrett's rookie training camp there tutoring him, because he liked Garrett's abilities and felt he could help him. Browns didn't think twice about making that happen but people are saying we shouldn't do that here if Bruce was interested? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB48 Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 9 hours ago, GaryPinC said: Marv was also brought back because Ralph knew him. If there's any problem with "looking back" it was with our owner's reticence to bring in a front office with someone new, as in Marv and Buddy Nix. Later with Russ running the show it was just bridled incompetence. I have no problem with keeping in touch with our most successful alumnus. Sustaining success teaches its own lessons and that is best handed down on a player to player level rather than a coach preaching it. Plus it gives the new guys an appreciation of the franchise and what it means to play for us. Absolutely it's a problem if the alumnus feel too entitled to meddle with the current players but is that what happens? The only concern I have at times is Kelly opinionating on the QB, but he says nothing negative while they're here fighting for the job. But otherwise it seems like there's a good balance of occasional interactions. Bruce Smith spent Myles Garrett's rookie training camp there tutoring him, because he liked Garrett's abilities and felt he could help him. Browns didn't think twice about making that happen but people are saying we shouldn't do that here if Bruce was interested? at times is Kelly opinionating on the QB. No such word as opinionating! Kelly had his shot to win a Super Bowl and he failed badly. Let Josh just be himself!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryPinC Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 1 hour ago, LB48 said: at times is Kelly opinionating on the QB. No such word as opinionating! Kelly had his shot to win a Super Bowl and he failed badly. Let Josh just be himself!! I'm not sure what your first language is but regret to inform you your English knowledge needs some work. Meanwhile, could you explain how Kelly is preventing Josh from being himself? Especially as Allen has sought out Kelly for advice in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsCuse Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 I don't understand the hate on Kelly for his comment at all. The Bills have had mediocre or trash QB's since he last played. It seems like they finally found his successor after 8 million years and hes giving Allen his vote of confidence. Kelly loves the Bills and the city of Buffalo so be happy he gives his approval. He might know a thing or 2 about the sport and the position Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordio Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 On 10/12/2020 at 10:30 AM, Limeaid said: Marv Levy was brought back for one reason - Tom Donahoe alienated fans and Marv was brought back to repair relations. It was not "looking back to the glory days". *****, he was brought back to rekindle history. That set us back 4 or 5 years. Horrible drafts he had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 Jim Kelly wanted the Bills to draft Tim Tebow. Great player but He’s just a fan like us with no real insight anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 33 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Jim Kelly wanted the Bills to draft Tim Tebow. Great player but He’s just a fan like us with no real insight anymore. There's a difference between projecting how a QB will be when he plays in the NFL versus evaluating him once he does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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