Happy with the win, not happy with the coaching staff

[JMF2006]

20 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

The other teams coaches are pretty good too.

 

They went to a SB a few years ago that alone makes them elite

[KD in CA]

Seems like the default option is to blame the coaches when people can't point to specific plays/players.

 

But here's what I saw:

 

1) Bills are not stout against the run.  They have not effectively replaced Star

2) Rams are a good running team and ran effectively all game

3) Bills defense got worn down by end of 3Q

4) Once the pass rush evaporated, the Rams passing game opened up and things got ugly

 

Meanwhile, the coaching on the offensive side was terrific.

[SirAndrew]

2 minutes ago, MPT said:

 

Complete? I really disagree with that. Secondary is one of the best in the league. Milano is awesome. 

 

I think we need a run stuffing tackle and linebacker for early downs and we're solid.

Very true, we have an elite CB, along with two great safeties. However, I do think the lack of a depth at CB2 causes a matchup nightmare against someone like the Rams. 

[MPT]

1 minute ago, KD in CA said:

Seems like the default option is to blame the coaches when people can't point to specific plays/players.

 

But here's what I saw:

 

1) Bills are not stout against the run.  They have not effectively replaced Star

2) Rams are a good running team and ran effectively all game

3) Bills defense got worn down by end of 3Q

4) Once the pass rush evaporated, the Rams passing game opened up and things got ugly

 

Meanwhile, the coaching on the offensive side was terrific.

 

I remember getting gashed on the ground with Star too. Edmunds needs to make a huge improvement against the run. He gets blown up and run over and misses tackles. I really thought he was going to look good this year but he's a liability right now.

2 minutes ago, SirAndrew said:

Very true, we have an elite CB, along with two great safeties. However, I do think the lack of a depth at CB2 causes a matchup nightmare against someone like the Rams. 

 

Yeah that's true. 3 out of 4 ain't bad unless the 4th gets beat every time.

[Sherlock Holmes]

30 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

Was it the coaches who kept blowing coverage on Kupp and Woods? 

 

Looked like it was the cornerbacks from where I was sitting but that is just me.

No, it's Kupp being a top WR in the NFL

[LeGOATski]

4 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Worn down? They had no answe for the Rams fast paced offense. McD was completely clueless in the 2nd half. Allen bailed em out.

And McVay was completely clueless in the first half when he could only score 3 measly points. He had no answer for the Bills' red zone defense. McVay lost them that game by not being able to score earlier and then fell flat at the end of the 4th when the game was on the line. He needed the refs to bail him out in the 3rd, but that still wasn't enough.

[MPT]

12 minutes ago, Hebert19 said:

Did the coaching staff make the defense turn to *****?

 

You could make that argument for not addressing run defense and failing to scheme for multiple elite receivers. Granted, blame lies with players for a lot of the stuff that happened today but it sure doesn't look like the coaching staff is ever ready for the second half.

[ColoradoBills]

11 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Worn down? They had no answe for the Rams fast paced offense. McD was completely clueless in the 2nd half. Allen bailed em out.

 

McD is the head coach of a 3-0 team but you keep up your hate for all things McDermott.

[LeGOATski]

Just now, ScottLaw said:

Huh? How did the refs bail him out? They lost.

 

You are missing the point. The Bills defense has been exposed in the 2nd half for how many games?

They gifted him the ball back with good field position in the 3rd quarter after the Bills defense shut them down again. 

 

Try actually watching the game next time.

 

McVay's offense was exposed in the first half when he only scored 3 points and let the Bills get up to a 28 point lead at the start of the 3rd.

 

McVay failed and lost the game.

 

The better coach won today.

 

You lose, Scott. 

[bobobonators]

32 minutes ago, MPT said:

 

This is the theme in almost every game. The other coach seemingly makes the perfect adjustments and McDermott does the opposite.

Yet we are 3-0. So much for the other coaches’ adjustments 

[Sweats]

Our D is a mess....giving up 29 points in the 2nd half is unacceptable.

 

Everyone keeps saying how great our D is. They ***** the bed 3 weeks in a row and there's nothing real special about that.

[GunnerBill]

12 minutes ago, Sherlock Holmes said:

No, it's Kupp being a top WR in the NFL

 

Kupp and Woods are good. No doubt and McVay's adjustments at half time worked.

[MPT]

1 minute ago, ScottLaw said:

Edmunds had always sucked against the run 

 

Yeah I know. For some reason I expected the coaches to turn a physical freak into a decent tackler and gap stuffer once he got some experience in the league and wasn't the youngest player on the field anymore. Either the coaches or the player or both have failed thus far.

[LeGOATski]

Just now, ScottLaw said:

McD is awesome!!!! The Bills do nothing wrong! Better? 

Sorry the Bills won today, Scott.

 

I'm glad they don't have a loser mentality like you and some other posters on this board.

 

They fought through their mistakes and won like a well-coached team does.

[MPT]

2 minutes ago, bobobonators said:

Yet we are 3-0. So much for the other coaches’ adjustments 

 

Yeah we are 3-0 thanks to first half dominance and late game heroics by Allen. We are getting destroyed in the second half.

[bills6969]

I think a sign of bad coaching is when you give up big leads.  It shows that you let your team get complacent and have trouble putting the fire out when the opponent goes on a run.   I think McDermott is solid but needs to have more killer instinct with his team.

[LeGOATski]

2 minutes ago, Sweats said:

Our D is a mess....giving up 29 points in the 2nd half is unacceptable.

 

Everyone keeps saying how great our D is. They ***** the bed 3 weeks in a row and there's nothing real special about that.

But now everyone's talking about how great their offense is.

 

It kinda reminds me of the Chiefs' situation when they started putting up points with Mahomes.

 

Complimentary football is a real thing.

[Warcodered]

53 minutes ago, Beast said:

The Bills were gashing the Rams on the ground and got away from it in the second half, up by 25.

 

It reminded me of them folding in Houston last year.

 

We have the talent but I am starting to question if we have the coaching to take the next step.

 

Honestly, what happened today in the 2nd half was inexcusable.

They only stopped our offense what 2-3 times?

[LeGOATski]

1 minute ago, bills6969 said:

I think a sign of bad coaching is when you give up big leads.  It shows that you let your team get complacent and have trouble putting the fire out when the opponent goes on a run.   I think McDermott is solid but needs to have more killer instinct with his team.

Is it a sign of bad coaching when you go down 28-3?

 

It's much easier to make half time adjustments than it is making in-game adjustments.

[ColoradoBills]

1 minute ago, bills6969 said:

I think a sign of bad coaching is when you give up big leads.  It shows that you let your team get complacent and have trouble putting the fire out when the opponent goes on a run.   I think McDermott is solid but needs to have more killer instinct with his team.

 

The players are playing the game.  It's mostly on them that they can't put teams away in the 3rd.

They are learning to win (yes that is a thing).

 

[artmalibu]

Allen had a tough stretch in the second half. A fumble, two 15 yard penalties, and two sacks that lost about 30 yards.  

 

The defense gave up 3 quick scores. 

 

I dont blame the coaches for that. The coaches put the players in position to be successful, and the players almost blew it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[bobobonators]

3 minutes ago, MPT said:

 

Yeah we are 3-0 thanks to first half dominance and late game heroics by Allen. We are getting destroyed in the second half.

Look around the NFL today. Vikings blew a huge lead. Atlanta blew another big lead. 
 

We played a potential playoff team today and won. Theyve run up and down the field on everyone so far this season. Our defense has holes. Its a concern. Not sure what MCD could have done better to stop the rams the second half. Our DL was losing the battle at the LOS badly. Its a personnel issue imo not a coaching issue. 

[JMF2006]

6 minutes ago, MPT said:

 

Yeah we are 3-0 thanks to first half dominance and late game heroics by Allen. We are getting destroyed in the second half.

 

We need more oranges at 1/2 time  

[LeGOATski]

2 minutes ago, artmalibu said:

Allen had a tough stretch in the second half. A fumble, two 15 yard penalties, and two sacks that lost about 30 yards.  

 

The defense gave up 3 quick scores. 

 

I dont blame the coaches for that. The coaches put the players in position to be successful, and the players almost blew it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yep, that's certainly a big part of it. I'm glad they have a winning QB who can rally. I loved seeing Diggs yelling at the team on the sideline too.

[ColoradoBills]

1 minute ago, JMF2006 said:

 

We need more oranges at 1/2 time  

[bobobonators]

3 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

Is it a sign of bad coaching when you go down 28-3?

 

It's much easier to make half time adjustments than it is making in-game adjustments.

I agree. The coach isnt out on the field. I think players lose mental focus with big leads and if you play a good team like the Rams thats dangerous. Our defense was absolutely gassed second half

[HOUSE]

I would have fired them all Thursday for waiving Jason Croom

[JMF2006]

Just now, ColoradoBills said:

 

Nice cantaloupes  

[billsfan89]

This team had a 25 point lead fairly quickly cut to 18 when the Rams went back down and scored. There was then a turnover (on a bogus call) that the Rams cashed in on which cut the lead to 11. Then the offense does a good job mixing the run and pass getting the ball into Rams territory before a bad penalty and turnover by Josh get the Rams the ball at their own 35. By then the Rams were rolling with momentum and deep in Bills territory. The offense put the defense in a bad position and the defense didn't respond. I don't know if they should have been running the ball that much more because Josh was effectively moving the ball they just got a bad call against them and a sloppy play by Josh.

[par73]

I'm alarmed by the play of the defense. The Bills were very lucky to get that PI at the end of the game.

[billsfan89]

1 minute ago, bobobonators said:

I agree. The coach isnt out on the field. I think players lose mental focus with big leads and if you play a good team like the Rams thats dangerous. Our defense was absolutely gassed second half

 

The offense turned the ball over twice during the Rams rally and had 1 or 2 (from what I remember) three and outs. That's not going to help a defense against an elite offense.

[LeGOATski]

Just now, par73 said:

I'm alarmed by the play of the defense. The Bills were very lucky to get that PI at the end of the game.

Just like the Rams were lucky to get that INT call and momentum change in the 3rd. Except, as confirmed by the former head of officiating, the INT call was wrong and the PI call was right.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

48 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

What do you critics think of the Ram's coaching?

Poor job by McVeigh in the first half. Bills had no answer for their ground game and McVeigh kept asking Goff to throw. 4th down call was dumb. 

4 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

Just like the Rams were lucky to get that INT call and momentum change in the 3rd. Except, as confirmed by the former head of officiating, the INT call was wrong and the PI call was right.

Int call had nothing to do with the defense. The defense made three decent plays all game - Milano sack, the Wallace pick, and the 4th down stop(decent coverage but bad pass by Goff too). They gave up 3rd and 11 and 3rd and 8 when it mattered. 

[aristocrat]

The pats always had that early year screw up. From here it will be interesting to see how the team plays.  This is trying to find it’s identity.  

[ColoradoBills]

2 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Poor job by McVeigh in the first half. Bills had no answer for their ground game and McVeigh kept asking Goff to throw. 4th down call was dumb. 

Int call had nothing to do with the defense. The defense made three decent plays all game - Milano sack, the Wallace pick, and the 4th down stop(decent coverage but bad pass by Goff too). They gave up 3rd and 11 and 3rd and 8 when it mattered. 

 

I'm sorry Ethan but I'm just happy with the win.  This whole thread is premature to me.

I'll enjoy the win and "worry" about next week later.

 

My original post was sarcastic.

[DuckyBoys]

defense gave up 500 yards  and a 28-3 lead  Until further notice we dont have a defense lead team anymore  Were in for a world of hurt with power run teams We also still cant run between the tackles consistently  Bad weather comes they better get this stuff ironed out

[Jrb1979]

24 minutes ago, bobobonators said:

Look around the NFL today. Vikings blew a huge lead. Atlanta blew another big lead. 
 

We played a potential playoff team today and won. Theyve run up and down the field on everyone so far this season. Our defense has holes. Its a concern. Not sure what MCD could have done better to stop the rams the second half. Our DL was losing the battle at the LOS badly. Its a personnel issue imo not a coaching issue. 

Maybe blitz once in awhile. 

[MAJBobby]

This defense is vastly over-rated. But glad we have an offense that can just outscore you if needed. 

[LeGOATski]

36 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Poor job by McVeigh in the first half. Bills had no answer for their ground game and McVeigh kept asking Goff to throw. 4th down call was dumb. 

Int call had nothing to do with the defense. The defense made three decent plays all game - Milano sack, the Wallace pick, and the 4th down stop(decent coverage but bad pass by Goff too). They gave up 3rd and 11 and 3rd and 8 when it mattered. 

The "luck" you mentioned went both ways. I guess you were trying to use luck as an excuse, but it's clearly not a valid one.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

7 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

The "luck" you mentioned went both ways. I guess you were trying to use luck as an excuse, but it's clearly not a valid one.

No idea what you are talking about. I said the PI call was a gift in the moment but when I saw the replay I agree it was a good call. It could have gone the other way. If that call was against the Bills we would be screaming the WR initiated the contact all the way down the field.  

The INT call was nuts. Not sure what they saw on the field to even call it an INT and certainly did not see a replay that showed Kroft losing possession of the ball to the DB.