Why is Marcel Dareus still a free agent?

[machine gun kelly]

This is silly.  He’s lazy, fat, underperforming, and was jettisoned from a dumpster fire team.  We already have talent at the position.  It was a bad pick when we could’ve had, Julio Jones, Patrick Peterson, AJ Green, or Watt.  One more example of the countless mistakes we’ve made over a couple of decades.

[Thurman#1]

5 hours ago, BillsVet said:

 

 

Obviously it wasn't about cap because they went out and dropped 50M with 25M guaranteed on a DT mere months later.  Guy affectionally called the human traffic cone by a longtime poster who is not with us right now.  

 

Your assessment on Dareus makes it seem like you were part of the conversation between McD and Beane about the player and what to do with him.  Call me skeptical.   

 

And another thing.  People talk about the "process" (which changes really quickly sometimes) as though it's a secret weapon.  But then Buffalo trades for a talented, albeit mercurial Stefon Diggs.  Or, once tried to trade for Antonio Brown.  

 

I think the "process" talk works because people assign it mythical value and serves as message board fodder for fans.  It's McD trying to establish credibility circa 2017 as a new HC.

 

 

 

 

While it surely wasn't all about cap (they didn't get rid of him till he started missing buses), Dareus' average salary was around $15 mill a year, signed three years earlier when the cap was quite a bit lower. Star's salary compared to that was downright reasonable.

 

There's no proof that we tried to trade for Antonio Brown. All that's known is that we kicked the tires. And while Diggs may be mercurial, in terms of attitude he's no Marcell Dareus. He could still turn out to be a mistake, but he's gotten less productive when he got paid. More, when they jettisoned Dareus they were setting the tone of the locker room. As of now, the tone is set, and it's very good. Part of the reason you build a good culture is because that culture will then affect everyone else you bring in.

 

Process is real. And it's far from only a Bills thing. It's been around for decades in all walks of life and it works. If there's one thing that has appeared to be so about McDermott it's that what you see is what you get. He's straightforward. Not one guy has left saying, "Ah, that process stuff is all nonsense." It isn't. It's his core belief.

[Matt_In_NH]

Talent with no desire /commitment has no value.  So no teams value him 

[Brennan Huff]

I’d like to believe that he has matured some since his time in Buffalo. But I really have no idea. Maybe he doesn’t even care. Maybe he saved his money. The dude was a top 10 DT at his peak. ??‍♂️

[eball]

6 hours ago, BillsVet said:

 

 

Obviously it wasn't about cap because they went out and dropped 50M with 25M guaranteed on a DT mere months later.  Guy affectionally called the human traffic cone by a longtime poster who is not with us right now.  

 

Your assessment on Dareus makes it seem like you were part of the conversation between McD and Beane about the player and what to do with him.  Call me skeptical.   

 

And another thing.  People talk about the "process" (which changes really quickly sometimes) as though it's a secret weapon.  But then Buffalo trades for a talented, albeit mercurial Stefon Diggs.  Or, once tried to trade for Antonio Brown.  

 

I think the "process" talk works because people assign it mythical value and serves as message board fodder for fans.  It's McD trying to establish credibility circa 2017 as a new HC.

 

 

What a skeptical, bitter take. And completely wrong. 

[HOUSE]

He got the money then retired. Happens all the time in the NFL

[BringBackFergy]

McDermott wants players who will run through a brick wall for their teammates....Dareus will run through that same wall for Mongolian BBQ. 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Buffalo Boy]

8 hours ago, Mango said:

I still think it was a mistake because

 

1. He was still productive at the time

2. We wouldn’t have been in “cap hell” had we just waited a few months. 
3. Its a coaches job to work with tough athletes, not cast them aside in short order to find easier ones. Marrone hasn’t been able to manage Dareus or 60% of his roster because he sucks. 
 

That doesn’t mean that he should be an all pro. Or even that good. But cutting him that quickly created a large hole, where we had to over pay his replacement, and eat his salary, all while he was still productive at the time. 
 

I would be been fine letting him go the year after. It would have halved his dead cap space. 

Like a girlfriend who’s still grudging about that one time , nine years ago.....?

[eball]

I think this ship has sailed...

[Victory Formation]

Dareus is a free agent because he mailed it in after getting paid..

[Mark80]

Because he is already rich and he is lazy and he loves smoking doobies.

[Mr. WEO]

come on with this....

[Buffalo03]

6 hours ago, uticaclub said:

Pro Bowler in 2013 & 14

Ok. Was he an alternate or an actual voted in player? All those other players made the pro bowl in their first 2 years. I know Dareus was the last one

[nucci]

10 hours ago, KollegeStudnet said:

He has been through a lot. Would not be surprised if the Pats get him at league minimum

of course...wouldn't be a thread without mentioning Patriots signing the guy

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

7 hours ago, BillsVet said:

 

 

Obviously it wasn't about cap because they went out and dropped 50M with 25M guaranteed on a DT mere months later.  Guy affectionally called the human traffic cone by a longtime poster who is not with us right now.  

 

Your assessment on Dareus makes it seem like you were part of the conversation between McD and Beane about the player and what to do with him.  Call me skeptical.   

 

And another thing.  People talk about the "process" (which changes really quickly sometimes) as though it's a secret weapon.  But then Buffalo trades for a talented, albeit mercurial Stefon Diggs.  Or, once tried to trade for Antonio Brown.  

 

I think the "process" talk works because people assign it mythical value and serves as message board fodder for fans.  It's McD trying to establish credibility circa 2017 as a new HC.

 

 

 

Never change, sunshine.

 

[atlbillsfan1975]

9 hours ago, Mango said:

I still think it was a mistake because

 

1. He was still productive at the time

2. We wouldn’t have been in “cap hell” had we just waited a few months. 
3. Its a coaches job to work with tough athletes, not cast them aside in short order to find easier ones. Marrone hasn’t been able to manage Dareus or 60% of his roster because he sucks. 
 

That doesn’t mean that he should be an all pro. Or even that good. But cutting him that quickly created a large hole, where we had to over pay his replacement, and eat his salary, all while he was still productive at the time. 
 

I would be been fine letting him go the year after. It would have halved his dead cap space. 

I think he was traded to further reenforce players buying into ‘the process’.  Marcel doesn’t seem to be a try hard guy.  McDermott wanted it to work out because he knew what kind of talent Marcel is and values DT’s being a defensive minded coach. Once Sean realized that Marcel didn’t have the attitude he valued, Marcel was traded.

[Niagara Bill]

He became Mike Williams second coming. What a wasted draft pick. As I recall, like Williams his wonderlic score was overlooked. 

The teams that have people with the ability to accept psychological signs have an important edge in the draft. I can see how film and workouts can be so tempting that the mental warning signs get discounted. 

[teef]

he's fat. that's it.

[dollars 2 donuts]

3 minutes ago, teef said:

he's fat. that's it.

 

It’s the sole reason why you haven’t seen the Bills sign me in the last 20 years.
 

...that I am talent challenged.